WTF is wrong with Germany?!

[Zanza]

We'll just do more of this:

[The Larch]

We'll just do more of this:

Heh, I had a teacher who always complained about that kind of pictures for being misleading and sensationalistic.  Those clouds are almost surely water vapour and non contaminant. The really dangerous and tricky chimneys are the smaller ones with no plumes coming out of them.

[Neil]

Water vapour is a greenhouse gas!  Think of the environment and stuff.

[Norgy]

Do you want to know a German who tried to gave the German perspective on Germany to the world?

Hitler

Hitler was Austrian.

[grumbler]

Fukushima was just the catalyst of this policy by the way. In 2002, the government agreed with the nuclear industry to phase out nuclear power by 2022. In 2010, the current government decided to prolong the lifetime of some reactors by up to 14 years. Now they go back to the original date of 2022. So what you guys seem to think of as a new policy is actually already almost 10 years old.

Stop trying to give a German's perspective on Germany 

The German perspective seems to be that this may be foolishness, but if so it is ten-year-old foolishness and thus... what?  Why should anyone, German or not, care whether the policy originally was proposed ten years ago or ten minutes ago?

[Zanza]

The German perspective seems to be that this may be foolishness, but if so it is ten-year-old foolishness and thus... what?  Why should anyone, German or not, care whether the policy originally was proposed ten years ago or ten minutes ago?

I am just surprised about the international media echo which I could better understand if this was a new policy and not just going back to an old target date.

[Viking]

1) Shale gas was is everywhere, in shitloads. The luddites are trying to stop that as well with their attacks on Fracking..

And with good reason.

Elaborate?

[Neil]

The German perspective seems to be that this may be foolishness, but if so it is ten-year-old foolishness and thus... what?  Why should anyone, German or not, care whether the policy originally was proposed ten years ago or ten minutes ago?

I am just surprised about the international media echo which I could better understand if this was a new policy and not just going back to an old target date.

Why?  People bitched about it ten years ago because it was stupid, and then it changed, and now it changed back, and so now people are bitching about how it's stupid again?  Why are you having difficulty understanding that?

[Neil]

1) Shale gas was is everywhere, in shitloads. The luddites are trying to stop that as well with their attacks on Fracking..

And with good reason.

Elaborate?

Gay Fox hates Alberta.

[Viking]

2) The Fukushima Reactor survived the earthquake and the tsunami without any problem. The powerplants problem was, however, that the eartquake took out the local electricity grid and the tsunami took out the powerplants diesel generators. This was the worst case scenario, biggest possible earthquake followed by the biggest possible tsunami. Note, the modern reactors at fukushima have provided no problems, while the 1960s era reactors had the problems.

So? The result is still that there is a considerable area around the reactor that is possibly uninhabitable for decades. I bet that we will all witness another of those once in a million years nuclear disasters in our lifetime.

So? Zanza1 posted a nice picture of a considerable area around a reactor (in this case a carbon oxidizing reactor) that will be uninhabitable for decades. I know that each year we witness a disaster from coal waste products ten times larger than all accidents in all nuclear power plants so far in history.

[Viking]

1) Shale gas was is everywhere, in shitloads. The luddites are trying to stop that as well with their attacks on Fracking..

And with good reason.

Elaborate?

Gay Fox hates Alberta.

I love alberta, thats why I want to dig up as much of it, shower it with steam and then take the oily water that results, separate out the oil and sell it to the americans for great profit.

[Duque de Bragança]

Fukushima was just the catalyst of this policy by the way. In 2002, the government agreed with the nuclear industry to phase out nuclear power by 2022. In 2010, the current government decided to prolong the lifetime of some reactors by up to 14 years. Now they go back to the original date of 2022. So what you guys seem to think of as a new policy is actually already almost 10 years old.

Stop trying to give a German's perspective on Germany 

The German perspective seems to be that this may be foolishness, but if so it is ten-year-old foolishness and thus... what?  Why should anyone, German or not, care whether the policy originally was proposed ten years ago or ten minutes ago?

Zanza could have also mentioned that the agreement of 2002 was Schröder at its finest, getting the Greens on his side (no more nuclear power) and being a good comrade to Putin (natural gas). The German right-wing e.g Merkel was against it back then.
In the meantime, more coal !

[Zoupa]

Haven't the Germans always had a bit more of an issue with nuclear than most Euros?  My impression is that they've had one of the earliest and strongest anti-nuclear movements for decades.

It goes well with the "we're pussies now, look, we're not scary no more" persona.

[Zoupa]

1) Shale gas was is everywhere, in shitloads. The luddites are trying to stop that as well with their attacks on Fracking..

And with good reason.

Elaborate?

Watch Gasland. They're digging for that shit all around my grandparent's village back in France. Documentary is spot on. What really flabergasts me is that instead of investing in renewable energy or at least building another reactor, they wanna go for shale instead. LOL LETS FUCK UP EVERYBODY'S LIFE COZ WE CAN LULZ.

[Grey Fox]

1) Shale gas was is everywhere, in shitloads. The luddites are trying to stop that as well with their attacks on Fracking..

And with good reason.

Elaborate?

Stop. Wasting. Perfectly. Good. Water.