WTF is wrong with Germany?!

[Viking]

1) Shale gas was is everywhere, in shitloads. The luddites are trying to stop that as well with their attacks on Fracking..

And with good reason.

Elaborate?

Stop. Wasting. Perfectly. Good. Water.

1 - fracking fluids are not necessarily water, or even water based, depends on downhole pressure, though they usually are
2 - fracking happens in sedimentary formations below the water table.
3 - the water used for fracking is much less than was used during drilling and is usually the same water that was used during drilling

duude, are you a poe?

Water table

[Razgovory]

I have no idea what Viking is talking about, but I trust him we he talks about digging holes.

[Viking]

I have no idea what Viking is talking about, but I trust him we he talks about digging holes.

is that some euphemism for ghey? 

[Razgovory]

I wanted to avoid using the word "Drilling".  Actually, I meant it as respect.

[Viking]

I wanted to avoid using the word "Drilling".  Actually, I meant it as respect.

I should have known... you don't do subtlety

[Razgovory]

I wanted to avoid using the word "Drilling".  Actually, I meant it as respect.

I should have known... you don't do subtlety

Nope.   Actually, I respect your opinion on sciencey things.  I sucked at science in school (the only one I could do remotely well was biology).

[garbon]

Heavy loads landing on someone, falls from significant heights, plenty of high voltage equipment around, motor accidents on crappy rural paths, natural disasters ...

I know of at least 2 mortal work-related accidents - fall and electrocution - and a couple near misses - you don't want to be anywhere near a solar power plant when a tornado hits and 9-ton structures are flying around.

Now take into account that the production of all the plants I've worked on combined during their 20 to 25 year life will be dwarfed by that of a single reactor and that's how solar or wind end up being more dangerous.

Not really sure that you're arguing in good faith if you want to cite that a natural disaster makes a particular type of structure dangerous.

Besides as has already been said, people care more about the danger to general pop and not just the working crew. After all, when the danger occurs to the larger, general pop, the fatalities are on a much larger scale.

To be fair though, I understand you were just answering Yi's question about danger period.

[CountDeMoney]

I have no idea what Viking is talking about, but I trust him we he talks about digging holes.

Just because he's in the business doesn't mean it's a morally, ethically and environmentally correct business.

[Viking]

I have no idea what Viking is talking about, but I trust him we he talks about digging holes.

Just because he's in the business doesn't mean it's a morally, ethically and environmentally correct business.

That depends, what definition do you have for morality, ethics and environmental correctness?

[Razgovory]

I have no idea what Viking is talking about, but I trust him we he talks about digging holes.

Just because he's in the business doesn't mean it's a morally, ethically and environmentally correct business.

We can't all have the moral superiority of working at Best Buy.

[ulmont]

I have no idea what Viking is talking about, but I trust him we he talks about digging holes.

Just because he's in the business doesn't mean it's a morally, ethically and environmentally correct business.

That depends, what definition do you have for morality, ethics and environmental correctness?

I'm thinking causing potentially-explosive levels of methane in people's water is...wrong.

[Viking]

I have no idea what Viking is talking about, but I trust him we he talks about digging holes.

Just because he's in the business doesn't mean it's a morally, ethically and environmentally correct business.

That depends, what definition do you have for morality, ethics and environmental correctness?

I'm thinking causing potentially-explosive levels of methane in people's water is...wrong.

You make a compelling argument for banning beans. You mention one possible and poorly documented source of harm from the activity. Methane has a solubility in water of 0.02 g/kg at at room temperature, CO2 has 1.2 g/kg at the same temperature. Methane is not very water soluable so it is going to remain as a gas, and if fracking does open a path into permeable formation methan will migrate only if it can migrate up and will only collect if it travels up into a trap (upside down u of impermable layers that can collect the migrating methane). These specific conditions can easily be identified with surface seismic surveys.

That said, the likelyhood of methane release into the formation is low, if it is released the conditions for it accumulating are highly improbable (they are just as likely as regular natural gas being found drilling randomly). Is it possible? Yes, but it is possible in the same sense that after inviting Jaron over for Quesedillas and Enchiladas enough fart accumulated under the roof to be ignited by the light being turned on.

Fracking is not some magical super high tech activity. It is breaking rocks 1000 ft under the ground, nothing more, nothing less.

[CountDeMoney]

I have no idea what Viking is talking about, but I trust him we he talks about digging holes.

Just because he's in the business doesn't mean it's a morally, ethically and environmentally correct business.

We can't all have the moral superiority of working at Best Buy.

You saying RewardZone(tm) Points aren't morally superior? 

[Tamas]

Viking, FU, I wanted Tywin as avatar!

[ulmont]

You mention one possible and poorly documented source of harm from the activity.

There's also the cases where people just leak fluid everywhere.  A quite well documented source of harm.