Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

Richard Hakluyt

Johnson's girlfriend is pregnant, probably what has been keeping him busy for the past week; there was an amusing comment below the Daily Mail article on the pregnancy :

"Typical ... gets in office and he's already abandoned the Withdrawal Agreement...."


The Larch

Surely the UK has bigger fishes to fry than independent-minded academics, right? Did they fear she'd sneak out the Elgin Marbles to Greece on her own? So much for Boris' façade with his education in the Classics...

QuoteMary Beard blocked by No 10 as British Museum trustee 'for pro-Europe views'
Classicist's pro-Remain stance led to Downing Street 'veto' – but a trustee place is now to be offered regardless


She is Britain's best known classicist, a Cambridge don with formidable intellect and a knack for getting people interested in all things ancient.

That combination of passionate erudition and accessibility would, you might think, make Mary Beard a shoo-in for the board of the country's most prestigious historical institution.

You would be wrong. The 65-year-old scholar has been rejected by Downing Street as a trustee of the British Museum, the Observer understands. Whitehall sources said the decision last year to turn her down had been made because of her pro-European views, which she has frequently expressed via social media.

Now, in response to the first rejection of a proposed British Museum trustee by No 10 for many years, the museum is understood to be planning to take matters into its own hands and appoint Beard without the lengthy and sometimes byzantine process of the Whitehall system.

Under the current arrangement, Downing Street has a say over the appointment of most of the museum's 25 trustees, but the museum's constitution allows it to choose five for itself. "Good for the trustees," said one longstanding former board member, who did not want to be named. "The decision to reject her is more about political correctness than respected classical scholarship."

Sir John Tusa, another former trustee and also former BBC World Service boss, said: "This is an absolute scandal. The trustees of the British Museum exist to protect its intellectual, academic and political independence. Government interference in putting in placemen or placewomen is a corruption of public life. Will any Remainer now expect to be punished by the government?"

This weekend, Beard, who in 2018 said she had fulfilled "a lifetime's ambition" by working for a day as a visitor attendant at the museum, said that "if asked" to serve she would "do my duty". But she cautioned: "Being a good girl does not mean being a lackey."

Asked why she thought she had been rejected earlier, Beard, who most recently presented the Shock of the Nude on BBC2, replied: "There are cock-ups and conspiracies. I'm not, however, going to diss Boris Johnson or the Department of Culture."

The decision to turn down Beard is believed to have happened at the end of Theresa May's premiership, when the museum proposed four new candidates for its board. Three were accepted, all from the worlds of business and finance. It is understood that the museum, noting that Beard was not among the names appointed by No 10, then made some discreet inquiries before eventually being told that the Brexit-embattled government did not appreciate her pro-EU social media remarks.

Beard has never hidden her stance on the UK's departure from the EU. But she would hardly be the only trustee to have made public statements that could be seen as political. Grayson Perry, on the board since 2015, has expressed both his support for the Labour party and Remain.

The museum, which declined to comment last night, is understood to be upset because the rejection of Beard seems to contradict its longstanding relationship with government, which has always been at "arm's length". While it gives the museum £40m of funding a year, the government does not interfere in its running, exhibitions or the selection of its director, who is currently the German-born Hartwig Fischer.

The museum's new attempt to appoint Beard comes with a very different prime minister. Boris Johnson is also a classicist, even if one not quite in the same league as Beard.

Four years ago, Johnson and Beard faced each other in a debate organised by the media events company Intelligence Squared. Johnson took the Greek side while Beard argued for the Romans. Before the discussion, the audience voted that Greece had given more to civilisation. But during the discussion, in which the then mayor of London called the Romans "a very nasty bunch", Beard gradually swayed the audience, and, at the end, a vote was taken, with a victory for the Romans and Beard.

Johnson famously has a bust of the Greek statesman Pericles in his No 10 office – itself, ironically, a copy of an original in the museum. He also owns socks depicting the Assyrian king, Ashurbanipal, bought from the museum's shop last year during an Assyrian exhibition. Ashurbanipal called himself "king of the world" – a view echoed by the young Johnson, who told his family as a child that he planned to be "world king".

Downing Street declined to comment on the matter.

Josquius

We really are living in an authoritarian regime aren't we.
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Tamas

Quote from: Tyr on March 01, 2020, 09:36:49 AM
We really are living in an authoritarian regime aren't we.

Not yet, they are just petty.

Sheilbh

Yeah. I mean it was a decision taken when May was in charge and the British Museum are hiring her anyway.
Let's bomb Russia!

Richard Hakluyt


Legbiter

Quote from: Sheilbh on February 27, 2020, 02:31:04 PMI love how messy and chaotic voters are. In the run-up to the Iowa caucus I saw something from a journalist about a voter who caucused for Bernie in 16, then voted for Trump, wants Medicare for All but supports Buttigieg and, if he doesn't get the nomination, will vote for Trump. It is majestic.



;)
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The Brain

Chad is not the greatest democracy in the world.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Josquius

The voting for who you think will win thing is a real problem I've encountered in the real world. It's simply bizzare. Bloody footballisation of politics
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Razgovory

Quote from: Legbiter on March 01, 2020, 02:32:45 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 27, 2020, 02:31:04 PMI love how messy and chaotic voters are. In the run-up to the Iowa caucus I saw something from a journalist about a voter who caucused for Bernie in 16, then voted for Trump, wants Medicare for All but supports Buttigieg and, if he doesn't get the nomination, will vote for Trump. It is majestic.



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So you are a incel now?  That explains so much...
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Legbiter

Sometimes a funny meme is just a funny meme Raz.
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grumbler

The Chad voter is missing his MAGA or BREXIT hat, but otherwise that's a good representation of the two problem groups of voters, if we understand that the Chad voter's country that he loves is made up 100% of white christian males... which is the same country the virgin voter hates.  It's a country that doesn't exist outside of maybe Iceland.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Sheilbh

Just listening to a podcast about the Irish election. They were looking for an analogy of Fianna Fail, which is the outlier. Fine Gael is basically a centre-right party. But it's really difficult to try and explain/understand Fianna Fail - the best comparison they could come up with: Andreotti's Christian Democrats.

Which is particularly striking because that type of politics might not exist or be capable of exisitng in the 21st century. So it'll be interesting to see how they evolve.
Let's bomb Russia!

Sheilbh

So this isn't directly Brexit related, but saw it from the Sun's Political Correspondent:
QuoteExcl: Boris Johnson sparks anger among Tory MPs by parachuting Chris Grayling into prized Commons job - chairman of Parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee.

Even as a backbencher Grayling will be able to find innovative and alarming ways to fuck things up :bleeding:
Let's bomb Russia!

Razgovory

Quote from: Legbiter on March 01, 2020, 06:15:05 PM
Sometimes a funny meme is just a funny meme Raz.


And sometimes a Trump supporter is just an incel.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017