The Off Topic Topic

[Malthus]

I'm aware of the history. I like it though that christianity was turned back here and 16th century trends didn't continue.

And I never said Japanese religion was harmless. I like however that it is a native religion which hasn't been stamped out in the way so many others were by christianity.

The Japanese were more into doing the stamping, than being stamped. 

[Admiral Yi]

I'm aware of the history. I like it though that christianity was turned back here and 16th century trends didn't continue.

And I never said Japanese religion was harmless. I like however that it is a native religion which hasn't been stamped out in the way so many others were by christianity.

I hope you realize Buddhism is not native to Japan.

[Malthus]

I hope you realize Buddhism is not native to Japan.

True, but fair's fair - the Japanese versions are by now pretty thoroughly Japanese.

[Habbaku]

I'm aware of the history. I like it though that christianity was turned back here and 16th century trends didn't continue.

You do realize that that "turning back" involved mass killings of the Japanese Christians and other persecutions that lasted for some time, right?

[Valmy]

I'm aware of the history. I like it though that christianity was turned back here and 16th century trends didn't continue.

You do realize that that "turning back" involved mass killings of the Japanese Christians and other persecutions that lasted for some time, right?

If only anime could be "turned back".

[Neil]

I'm aware of the history. I like it though that christianity was turned back here and 16th century trends didn't continue.

You do realize that that "turning back" involved mass killings of the Japanese Christians and other persecutions that lasted for some time, right?

Yeah, but all's well that ends well, don't you think?  This way, modern Japanese get to enjoy the benefits of modern thought and living without that baggage of Christianity that we're saddled with.

[Malthus]

There really is a song / poem by Robert Burns with the (now) unfortunate title "Cock Up Your Beaver".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caq63ZHO0Og

[Josephus]

So what does cock up your beaver mean?

[Malthus]

So what does cock up your beaver mean?

Originally? Something like "tip your hat at a jaunty angle".

A "beaver" was a type of hat (made of the skin of that rodent). To "cock" means in this context to tip at an angle, for extra panache.

In modern slang, it has a rather different meaning. 

[Josephus]

It's funny how language changes. 

[Razgovory]

I'm aware of the history. I like it though that christianity was turned back here and 16th century trends didn't continue.

You do realize that that "turning back" involved mass killings of the Japanese Christians and other persecutions that lasted for some time, right?

Yeah, but all's well that ends well, don't you think?  This way, modern Japanese get to enjoy the benefits of modern thought and living without that baggage of Christianity that we're saddled with.

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I think they got the short end of the stick personally.

[Razgovory]

I don't like what they're doing at all. One of the beautiful things about Japan is it still keeps its native religion (with a bit of harmless buddhism tacked on), it hasn't had the foreign semitic religion of christianity thrust upon it the way the various people of Europe had.

It's a shame that the blood thirsty religions of Europe were so trampled by the religion of the insidious Semites.  I mean we could still be having human sacrifice and people's who's right to rule over others was ordained by a divine ancestor.

[Ideologue]

And yet the isolation of the individual is pandemic in the First World.  I feel it wrong-headed to posit that Japanese religion is responsible.  At most, Japanese spirituality failed to stop it--but it shares that distinction with Christianity, to be sure.

[Sheilbh]

And yet the isolation of the individual is pandemic in the First World.  I feel it wrong-headed to posit that Japanese religion is responsible.  At most, Japanese spirituality failed to stop it--but it shares that distinction with Christianity, to be sure.

Blame the Reformation

[Razgovory]

And yet the isolation of the individual is pandemic in the First World.  I feel it wrong-headed to posit that Japanese religion is responsible.  At most, Japanese spirituality failed to stop it--but it shares that distinction with Christianity, to be sure.

Blame the Reformation

I do.