The Off Topic Topic

[Eddie Teach]

You blame the Reformation for your own feelings of isolation? 

[Razgovory]

You blame the Reformation for your own feelings of isolation? 

No, I blame the French Revolution for that.   I blame the Reformation for other people being isolated from me.

[Eddie Teach]

No, I blame the French Revolution for that.  

I don't follow.


Saw that, Mongers. 

[Razgovory]

No, I blame the French Revolution for that.  

I don't follow.


Saw that, Mongers. 

I blame the French Revolution for why I isolate from other people.  I blame the Reformation for why other people isolate from me.  See it's a difference in motivations.

[Razgovory]

I blame the stupid board for why I can't space words properly!

[Eddie Teach]

I blame the French Revolution for why I isolate from other people.  I blame the Reformation for why other people isolate from me.  See it's a difference in motivations.

I still don't follow the first part. Why does the French Revolution make you shun the company of others?

As for the second, surely there's plenty of other Catholics in your area to associate with.

[Neil]

And yet the isolation of the individual is pandemic in the First World.  I feel it wrong-headed to posit that Japanese religion is responsible.  At most, Japanese spirituality failed to stop it--but it shares that distinction with Christianity, to be sure.

Blame the Reformation

I suppose.  After all, our isolation from each other is a side effect of our affluence, technology and modern economy.  In a Catholic world, we'd still be burning anyone who showed any kind of interest in non-Ptolemaic science as a witch.  Our world of the mind would be similar to that of backwoods Poland.

[Razgovory]

And yet the isolation of the individual is pandemic in the First World.  I feel it wrong-headed to posit that Japanese religion is responsible.  At most, Japanese spirituality failed to stop it--but it shares that distinction with Christianity, to be sure.

Blame the Reformation

I suppose.  After all, our isolation from each other is a side effect of our affluence, technology and modern economy.  In a Catholic world, we'd still be burning anyone who showed any kind of interest in non-Ptolemaic science as a witch.  Our world of the mind would be similar to that of backwoods Poland.

I think Witch burning may have been more prevalent in the Protestant world.  Of course it wasn't the Catholics who rejected a more accurate calendar for decades either.

[Razgovory]

I blame the French Revolution for why I isolate from other people.  I blame the Reformation for why other people isolate from me.  See it's a difference in motivations.

I still don't follow the first part. Why does the French Revolution make you shun the company of others?

As for the second, surely there's plenty of other Catholics in your area to associate with.

I thought of all people, you might understand.

[Sheilbh]

I think Witch burning may have been more prevalent in the Protestant world.  Of course it wasn't the Catholics who rejected a more accurate calendar for decades either.

Far, far more common in the Protestant world.  It barely existed in Catholic Europe.  There were occassional localised outbreaks of witch-hunting but nothing to compare with the brutality of England, Germany and North America. 

In large I think it's because large areas the Catholic world generally had centralised religious oppression - the Inquisition - and they had real enemies.  The Spanish Inquisition, for example, was very dubious about the whole idea of finding witches or demons, but were rather confident they'd be able to find conversos.  The same happens with the Roman Inquisition and heretics.  The areas of the Catholic world that have witch-hunts are the ones where things slide out of central control.  Similarly, on the Protestant side, there are very few witch-hunts in Ireland - again, perhaps because there's a real enemy of the 'faith' to target.

Most academic estimates of put victims of the various Inquisitions as roughly equal to the witch-hunts in the Protestant world.  I'm not near the book I have which lists some estimates but the figures are desperately high.

[Eddie Teach]

I thought of all people, you might understand.

I might, were it explained to me. 

[Josquius]

Wasn't witch burning a super rare thing even in protestant Europe?
I'm sure I remember QI mentioning it was a freakishly small number in Britain at least.

For catholic vs protestant witch hunting- maybe another reason could be the protestant encouragement of bible study?
The catholic church discouraged witch burning, saying it was stupid superstition. The bible though with its don't suffer a witch to live told the protestants different.

It's a shame that the blood thirsty religions of Europe were so trampled by the religion of the insidious Semites.  I mean we could still be having human sacrifice and people's who's right to rule over others was ordained by a divine ancestor.

Human sacrifice was already well on the way out when Christianity came along, it went with civilization.

You do realize that that "turning back" involved mass killings of the Japanese Christians and other persecutions that lasted for some time, right?

Its not like the Christians wouldn't have done the same were they the ones given the chance.

And yet the isolation of the individual is pandemic in the First World.  I feel it wrong-headed to posit that Japanese religion is responsible.  At most, Japanese spirituality failed to stop it--but it shares that distinction with Christianity, to be sure.

In fact traditional Japanese culture is very very community focused. Almost socialist in nature.
Its just with modern times, the decay in traditional values, blah blah that that kind of thing has arose in Japan as in the west.

[Neil]

In fact traditional Japanese culture is very very community focused. Almost socialist in nature.
Its just with modern times, the decay in traditional values, blah blah that that kind of thing has arose in Japan as in the west.

All traditional cultures were community focused, because once upon a time it took a community to survive.

[Admiral Yi]

You do realize that that "turning back" involved mass killings of the Japanese Christians and other persecutions that lasted for some time, right?

Its not like the Christians wouldn't have done the same were they the ones given the chance.

You just made that up.

[Habbaku]

You do realize that that "turning back" involved mass killings of the Japanese Christians and other persecutions that lasted for some time, right?

Its not like the Christians wouldn't have done the same were they the ones given the chance.

  You are so full of shit.  Nice cop-out on your ignorance, though.