Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[Grey Fox]

Because the US is choosing Tyranny and despots over democracy. Something, they spent the last 80 years shoving down the throat of everyone.

[grumbler]

The moral of the story is what HVC said. America was never good, it was only on the same side.

No country is "good."  Countries do not have friends, they have interests.

[mongers]

The irony is that Trump is going to make America Great Again by destroying the diplomatic economic and alliance system that underpinned one of the world greatest informal empires, partially in an effort to help another delusionist  try and recreate their fantasy of the extinct Soviet empire.

[grumbler]

The moral of the story is that when you turn your allies, emotions are going to run high.

Another moral is that getting worked up over words is pleasant (for me as much as anybody), but people should save some outrage for when it comes to actual actions.

Trump's stance is massively unpopular, as is Valimir Putin.  The last general survey done by Pew showed that 86% of Americans had an unfavorable opinion of Putin (only Poland, Sweden, the Netherland, Australia, and Japan had a more negative opinion).



This is significant because Trump needs to feel loved, and, having no personal convictions about anything, could easily find himself backtracking on all of this when he realizes how unpopular it makes him.

In short, let's bash the shit out of Trump and mock his supporters, but keep some powder dry to respond when Trump actually DOES something that significantly harms Ukraine/helps Russia.

[The Brain]

If the 1930s taught us anything, it's act early. When harm is done, it is too late to prevent harm.

[Zoupa]

In short, let's bash the shit out of Trump and mock his supporters, but keep some powder dry to respond when Trump actually DOES something that significantly harms Ukraine/helps Russia.

ok. Does this count

State Department terminates U.S. support of Ukraine energy grid restoration

[Jacob]

Euros need to control their emotions.

It'd be nice if you could control yours as well.

[Jacob]

Another moral is that getting worked up over words is pleasant (for me as much as anybody), but people should save some outrage for when it comes to actual actions.

Trump's stance is massively unpopular, as is Valimir Putin.  The last general survey done by Pew showed that 86% of Americans had an unfavorable opinion of Putin (only Poland, Sweden, the Netherland, Australia, and Japan had a more negative opinion).

This is significant because Trump needs to feel loved, and, having no personal convictions about anything, could easily find himself backtracking on all of this when he realizes how unpopular it makes him.

In short, let's bash the shit out of Trump and mock his supporters, but keep some powder dry to respond when Trump actually DOES something that significantly harms Ukraine/helps Russia.

There's a lot of morals to go around, that's for sure

But yeah, yeah actions speak louder than words - even if words also matter.

[Tamas]

I like Macron and Starmer's proposal of a month-long air and sea truce including leaving each other's energy infrastructure alone. If they keep pushing for it, it puts the ball into the Russian-American court but it's the kind of truce that is going to benefit Ukraine more than Russia.

[Iormlund]

I take a tiny soupcon of hope in Trumps general incompetence and poor temperament and the nascent split between the Bannon wing of MAGA and the Dark Elf Techno Overlords. Fingers crossed. Setting Musk after Social Security might not play out well either.

Do you see the Christo-Fascist Wing as being the same as the Bannon Wing, or seperate?

Also    @ Dark Elf Techno Overlords.

what about Ketamine Clique... gives us 3 k sounds too *innocent whistle*

Not mine, but The Nerd Reich nails it.

[grumbler]

If the 1930s taught us anything, it's act early. When harm is done, it is too late to prevent harm.

If the 1930s taught Sweden anything, it was "there's a lot of money to be made selling shit to Nazis."

[Admiral Yi]

Speaking of Sweden, saw this clip a while back about how Sweden was instrumental in saving most of Denmark's Jews.

[grumbler]

Speaking of Sweden, saw this clip a while back about how Sweden was instrumental in saving most of Denmark's Jews.

Indeed.  Probably Denmark's finest hour. Couldn't have done it without Swedish help. Interesting side note: Niels Bohr refused to leave Sweden for the US unless the Swedish government announced their willingness to accept Jewish refugees from Denmark.  The Swedish government then did, though it isn't clear that Bohr's efforts made that happen.

[Razgovory]

I didn't know that.  Thanks Grumbler.

[chipwich]

Because the US is choosing Tyranny and despots over democracy. Something, they spent the last 80 years shoving down the throat of everyone.

Well you won't have to worry about the US imposing Democracy anymore. You got what you wanted.