Liberation Theology is in - should Yi be concerned?

[Razgovory]

  I think it's fair to characterize Revolutionary France as "secularist".

Yes, but secularism is not revolutionary France. Conflating the two is what makes it a terrible  analogy.

It is an ideology though, one endorsed by France and one they used coercion to enforce.

How did France endorse it?  The effort failed pretty spectacularly, was extremely short-lived, and was un-Constitutional.  Something that was endorsed by the whole country should have had more staying power.  Associating Atheism with the French Revolution is a common error though, one which the Church went along with during the restoration and ironically actually DID lead to massive de-Christianization in the 19th century as being Christian came to be associated with being Monarchist.  Whoops.

By executing a lot of people, that's how they endorsed it.  It doesn't matter how badly they did and how long they did it, the revolutionary regime did endorse secularism.  Also I never said atheism.

[crazy canuck]

CC acknowledges that it is impossible for Catholics to see the hypocrisy of their position.  Doesn't that mitigate the crime to some extent, in your eyes?

A Strawman contest.   I love watching you do those.  You are off to a wonderful start.

So now you are reduced to deceit. 

[Maximus]

So tell me, what do you believe is the relationship between a government and the ideology that the government is devoted to?

One is an organization and the other is an idea that organization uses.

[grumbler]

"Nobody beats up on secularism because of the execution of lavoisier." makes no sense since secularism didn't execute him.

Now if you had said that nobody beats up on Revolutionary France because of the execution of lavoisier, that would not have been as bad of an analogy. It just would have been incorrect.

I see this is not so much a defense of the current Pope for Raz but a deep historical hatred for the secularism.

[Razgovory]

So tell me, what do you believe is the relationship between a government and the ideology that the government is devoted to?

One is an organization and the other is an idea that organization uses.

So you would distinguish between say the Catholic Church and the Papal States, or Vatican City and the Catholic faith?

[grumbler]

So now you are reduced to deceit. 

[Razgovory]

"Nobody beats up on secularism because of the execution of lavoisier." makes no sense since secularism didn't execute him.

Now if you had said that nobody beats up on Revolutionary France because of the execution of lavoisier, that would not have been as bad of an analogy. It just would have been incorrect.

I see this is not so much a defense of the current Pope for Raz but a deep historical hatred for the secularism.

You know, for a guy who's pretending I'm not here, you sure write about me a lot.  I'm beginning to think you might have a crush on me.

[crazy canuck]

"Nobody beats up on secularism because of the execution of lavoisier." makes no sense since secularism didn't execute him.

Now if you had said that nobody beats up on Revolutionary France because of the execution of lavoisier, that would not have been as bad of an analogy. It just would have been incorrect.

I see this is not so much a defense of the current Pope for Raz but a deep historical hatred for the secularism.

  imitation is the greatest form of flattery.  Thanks Grumbles.   For a deceitful sod you can be ok at times.

[Valmy]

By executing a lot of people, that's how they endorsed it.  It doesn't matter how badly they did and how long they did it, the revolutionary regime did endorse secularism.  Also I never said atheism.

The Revolutionary regime, for most of its tenure anyway, was pretty obviously not secular as they did not endorse the concept of separation of church and state.  Rather a state-run church that was sorta kinda Catholic but not.  Henry VIII and his successors also punished people for not going along with the state church.

[Maximus]

So you would distinguish between say the Catholic Church and the Papal States, or Vatican City and the Catholic faith?

Of course.

[Razgovory]

So you would distinguish between say the Catholic Church and the Papal States, or Vatican City and the Catholic faith?

Of course.

Okay good enough.

[grumbler]

The Revolutionary regime, for most of its tenure anyway, was pretty obviously not secular as they did not endorse the concept of separation of church and state.  Rather a state-run church that was sorta kinda Catholic but not.  Henry VIII and his successors also punished people for not going along with the state church.

Indeed.  the comparison "Secularism is to the First French republic as Catholicism is to the Catholic Church" is pretty absurd on the face of it, and would only be proposed by someone so ignorant of history as to lack all credibility.

[crazy canuck]

Raz, I how do you feel about Grumbler's passive aggressive behaviour lately?

[celedhring]

I'm not actually clear who the scientist was who was burned at the stake.  I assume it was Bruno, but he really wasn't a scientist though he is celebrated as one sometimes.

Miguel Servet (Michael Servetus?).

[Razgovory]

Raz, I how do you feel about Grumbler's passive aggressive behaviour lately?

I think he may be into me.