Weather WTF

[HVC]

You talk big for someone that can't even take on a AC unit without crying about their sensitive throat 

[Syt]

Plus mega-cities like Paris are special cases being heat traps with temperatures not decreasing at night such as tonight. 

Don't have to be a mega-city. Centers of small big cities like Vienna are enough, thanks to decades of sealing surfaces with concrete and asphalt which is only very slowly being reversed. Though a shift may be happening - the city allows installation of ACs in their public housing starting this year.

I've tried "traditional" mobile AC and a camping split AC (since my landlord - a bank - won't allow installation of a permanent one at the moment), but with the old box windows I have (one set opening towards the outside, one to the inside) it's not working much as I can't close/seal the window properly during use. And I can't replace one small pane of the window (it's a 2x3 panes situation), because I'd essentially have to take the old wooden window frames apart.

That said, it probably sucks more for the street front apartments. Our building is under historical protection, so any changes to the facade towards our little street is verboten.

And a few years ago, the folks living under the roof were instructed to remove their ACs because of noise complaints.

[Duque de Bragança]

You talk big for someone that can't even take on a AC unit without crying about their sensitive throat 

You are the one crying since I can take the heat better than a (crypto-)Moor. 
Haussmanian architecture is not greatly suited, ahem, to A/C.

Plus, you are completely clueless about Portugal mixing up Bragança and Braga, disparaging Porto's better climate, compared to Lisbon, but then as a crypto-Moor that's WAD, I guess.

[Duque de Bragança]

Plus mega-cities like Paris are special cases being heat traps with temperatures not decreasing at night such as tonight. 

Don't have to be a mega-city. Centers of small big cities like Vienna are enough, thanks to decades of sealing surfaces with concrete and asphalt which is only very slowly being reversed. Though a shift may be happening - the city allows installation of ACs in their public housing starting this year.

I've tried "traditional" mobile AC and a camping split AC (since my landlord - a bank - won't allow installation of a permanent one at the moment), but with the old box windows I have (one set opening towards the outside, one to the inside) it's not working much as I can't close/seal the window properly during use. And I can't replace one small pane of the window (it's a 2x3 panes situation), because I'd essentially have to take the old wooden window frames apart.

That said, it probably sucks more for the street front apartments. Our building is under historical protection, so any changes to the facade towards our little street is verboten.

And a few years ago, the folks living under the roof were instructed to remove their ACs because of noise complaints.

Actually, Vienna looks like pretty much like Paris, so all Parisian concerns are valid for Vienna, with concrete and asphalt. As for public housing over here, they are still not using proper blinds (plastic not metal persiennes) when possible. Portable A/C is allowed, at least not banned.
I was comparing small cities or towns to metropolitan city centres.

As for not being able to close and seal windows,  and use blinders (persiennes that's a real problem. That's the first thing I would say to people landing in Portugal, from mesothermal or Northern Europe.
Consider yourself lucky if you don't live under the floor. Did the people challenge the decision?

The noise part I don't get. Living in a big city means some kind of tolerance to noise. Or is A/C as bad or worse as Jul or Aya Nakamura? 

[HVC]

You talk big for someone that can't even take on a AC unit without crying about their sensitive throat 

You are the one crying since I can take the heat better than a (crypto-)Moor. 
Haussmanian architecture is not greatly suited, ahem, to A/C.

Plus, you are completely clueless about Portugal mixing up Bragança and Braga, disparaging Porto's better climate, compared to Lisbon, but then as a crypto-Moor that's WAD, I guess.

Careful now, don't get too heated. Wouldn't want you to go outside, catch a weak breeze and become incapacitated

[garbon]

You talk big for someone that can't even take on a AC unit without crying about their sensitive throat 

You are the one crying since I can take the heat better than a (crypto-)Moor. 
Haussmanian architecture is not greatly suited, ahem, to A/C.

Plus, you are completely clueless about Portugal mixing up Bragança and Braga, disparaging Porto's better climate, compared to Lisbon, but then as a crypto-Moor that's WAD, I guess.

Careful now, don't get too heated. Wouldn't want you to go outside, catch a weak breeze and become incapacitated

I thought artifical "breezes" were his issue?

[HVC]

If he can't handle an artificial breeze I can only imagine a real one hits him like a truck

[Duque de Bragança]

You talk big for someone that can't even take on a AC unit without crying about their sensitive throat 

You are the one crying since I can take the heat better than a (crypto-)Moor. 
Haussmanian architecture is not greatly suited, ahem, to A/C.

Plus, you are completely clueless about Portugal mixing up Bragança and Braga, disparaging Porto's better climate, compared to Lisbon, but then as a crypto-Moor that's WAD, I guess.

Careful now, don't get too heated. Wouldn't want you to go outside, catch a weak breeze and become incapacitated

Outside there is no A/C you goddamn crypto-Moor! A/C is indoor!   
Also weak breezes outsides are way better than, guess what, A/C.
Problem is, there is none.
Also, getting a sore throat ≠ incapacitated. But then you're a Moor, so a cold might kill you, for all I know.

[Grey Fox]

So, what you're saying is that continental Euros can't handle dry air 

[Duque de Bragança]

So, what you're saying is that continental Euros can't handle dry air 

No, that's what you are saying.
It's dry air mostly around these parts. No tropical climate around here, not even in the British Isles.

The parts that have A/C, Southern Europe, are much drier.

[Grey Fox]

 

Ok.

[garbon]

Ok.

It is purely an emotional stance. Logic and reason play no role.

[Duque de Bragança]

Ok.

It is purely an emotional stance. Logic and reason play no role.

For the likes of Mélenchon or Greens who want no A/C at all, and Marine who wants A/C all the way, even where there are better or complementary solutions?
Quite possibly.
A/C is no panacea, it is part of possible solutions but its pros and cons are to be weighted because it has negative externalities.

For some reason, the A/C implementation here generally not great at all, and that's excluding the higher energy use and higher temperatures caused by a potential mass use.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

The first wants the native to go extinct, the second want all humans to vanish....
And if no a/c helps with that...

[garbon]

Ok.

It is purely an emotional stance. Logic and reason play no role.

For the likes of Mélenchon or Greens who want no A/C at all, and Marine who wants A/C all the way, even where there are better or complementary solutions?
Quite possibly.
A/C is no panacea, it is part of possible solutions but its pros and cons are to be weighted because it has negative externalities.

For some reason, the A/C implementation here generally not great at all, and that's excluding the higher energy use and higher temperatures caused by a potential mass use.

This seems like quite the mélange.

Maybe we can just focus on one aspect which is no one called a/c a 'panacea'. What it was called was a way to keep people less miserable and prevent people from dying. Both of those seem desirable especially when in a political climate where there is little resolve to do anything coordinated to fix the climate.