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Trump's Venezuela Vendetta

Started by Syt, Today at 12:23:32 AM

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The Minsky Moment

35-40% of voting Americans supporting this parade of lunacy is nothing to boast about.  Horrifying really.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

HVC

Quote from: grumbler on Today at 10:23:07 AM
Quote from: HVC on Today at 08:59:35 AMHe also has the adoration of 50% of the voting public and the acquiescence if not right out support of another large chunk. The American public is not free of blame. And for however much longer they're a democracy* the population also bares the moral burden of what's happening.

*only kind of joking.

Public opinion surveys suggest that this is a wild exaggeration.

Agre about the moral burden, though. Having second thoughts does not excuse making the irredeemable mistake of voting for him in the first place.

Public polls said he was going to lose... twice. They've lost some credibility :D
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Josquius

A former US ambassador has put forth the idea trump is planning to attack Venezuela to line up with the epstein files being released..... Which does make sense
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grumbler

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on Today at 10:25:31 AM35-40% of voting Americans supporting this parade of lunacy is nothing to boast about.  Horrifying really.

True, but it would be a more salient observation if there was anyone here actually boasting about it.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

HVC

Quote from: Josquius on Today at 11:31:36 AMA former US ambassador has put forth the idea trump is planning to attack Venezuela to line up with the epstein files being released..... Which does make sense

In the days before internet media that might work, only so much space on the front page after all, but that method is a lot less effective now.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Josquius

Quote from: HVC on Today at 11:35:07 AM
Quote from: Josquius on Today at 11:31:36 AMA former US ambassador has put forth the idea trump is planning to attack Venezuela to line up with the epstein files being released..... Which does make sense

In the days before internet media that might work, only so much space on the front page after all, but that method is a lot less effective now.

I'm not so sure. If your feed is full of one thing then you'd have to be specifically interested in the other and actively seek it out.
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Oexmelin

You can't reclaim democracy with polls.
Que le grand cric me croque !

HVC

Quote from: Josquius on Today at 11:40:50 AM
Quote from: HVC on Today at 11:35:07 AM
Quote from: Josquius on Today at 11:31:36 AMA former US ambassador has put forth the idea trump is planning to attack Venezuela to line up with the epstein files being released..... Which does make sense

In the days before internet media that might work, only so much space on the front page after all, but that method is a lot less effective now.

I'm not so sure. If your feed is full of one thing then you'd have to be specifically interested in the other and actively seek it out.

But the people interested can find what they need. And the Epstein files are juicy enough to have a following. Then theres YouTube, and podcasts and even old school forums (like languish :P ) so even people without interest get exposure. There are infinitely more sources of information now. That has many, many, many downfalls but there are still some benefits.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

grumbler

Quote from: Oexmelin on Today at 11:41:10 AMYou can't reclaim democracy with polls.

Squirt guns aren't much help, either.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Oexmelin

Que le grand cric me croque !

Josquius

Quote from: HVC on Today at 11:43:53 AM
Quote from: Josquius on Today at 11:40:50 AM
Quote from: HVC on Today at 11:35:07 AM
Quote from: Josquius on Today at 11:31:36 AMA former US ambassador has put forth the idea trump is planning to attack Venezuela to line up with the epstein files being released..... Which does make sense

In the days before internet media that might work, only so much space on the front page after all, but that method is a lot less effective now.

I'm not so sure. If your feed is full of one thing then you'd have to be specifically interested in the other and actively seek it out.

But the people interested can find what they need. And the Epstein files are juicy enough to have a following. Then theres YouTube, and podcasts and even old school forums (like languish :P ) so even people without interest get exposure. There are infinitely more sources of information now. That has many, many, many downfalls but there are still some benefits.

Yeah, but the people actively interested in anyrhing political are already a minority. One that already thinks Trump is the devil.
It's the average American they care about. The politics they get is what shows up on their feed, they aren't hunting for it.
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Razgovory

Quote from: grumbler on Today at 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Oexmelin on Today at 11:41:10 AMYou can't reclaim democracy with polls.

Squirt guns aren't much help, either.
That's why we throw soup at paintings.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017