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Trump's Venezuela Vendetta

Started by Syt, December 17, 2025, 12:23:32 AM

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Savonarola

In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Zoupa on December 17, 2025, 10:22:26 PMhave another No Kings protest in a few months, on a Saturday, then post about it from your suburban home on your L shaped couch

Stop spying on me, damn you!
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Zoupa

Quote from: Savonarola on Today at 08:29:54 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on December 17, 2025, 10:30:43 PMWho's they?  :homestar:

You'd have to ask Candace Owens.

What's funny is that the crazier she becomes, the more popular her show is.  :lol:

Lucidor


Tamas

Apparently the Russians made quite an angry warning against Trump attacking Venezuela, so it is not going to happen.

viper37

Quote from: grumbler on December 17, 2025, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Oexmelin on December 17, 2025, 11:41:10 AMYou can't reclaim democracy with polls.

Squirt guns aren't much help, either.
2nd amendment has its limits, I guess?
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

viper37

Quote from: Valmy on December 17, 2025, 03:08:50 PM
Quote from: HVC on December 17, 2025, 10:32:43 AM
Quote from: grumbler on December 17, 2025, 10:23:07 AM
Quote from: HVC on December 17, 2025, 08:59:35 AMHe also has the adoration of 50% of the voting public and the acquiescence if not right out support of another large chunk. The American public is not free of blame. And for however much longer they're a democracy* the population also bares the moral burden of what's happening.

*only kind of joking.

Public opinion surveys suggest that this is a wild exaggeration.

Agre about the moral burden, though. Having second thoughts does not excuse making the irredeemable mistake of voting for him in the first place.

Public polls said he was going to lose... twice. They've lost some credibility :D

Public polls had him ahead this last time. Don't make shit up.
https://www.economist.com/interactive/us-2024-election/trump-harris-polls
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/polls-president.html

These two show Kamala winning the popular vote.

You have a Wikipedia article here about polling accuracy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election#Polling_accuracy

Tl;dr:
Polls were "inacurate" within the margin of error, about 3%.  In Iowa, Trump won by 13% while one famous pollster predicted a Kamal win by 3%.

Trump was predicted to win Texas and Florida by 7%, he won them by 13%.

2024 polls were more accurate than 2016.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

viper37

Quote from: Jacob on December 17, 2025, 03:52:55 PMRe: civilian pushback, opposition to war is one of the more common things for civilian opposition to coalesce around.
Only if there are soldiers coming back home in body bags.

And even then.

You can't say there's mounting opposition to the war in Russia.  It has been successfully squashed.  If there's still any opposition left, they're keeping quiet.

There's no plan for a ground invasion of Venezuela.  Worst case scenario is a couple of planes of helicopters lost, injuries on board a ship.  Same as with previous military interventions.

Nothing to generate massive riots.  A few protests here and there that won't be covered by national medias.  Nothing to traumatize a President.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

viper37

Quote from: Razgovory on December 17, 2025, 10:24:50 PMMan, they are already killed Charlie Kirk.  What the fuck else do you want?
Who killed Kirk?  Was there some kind of nefarious plot that the FBI isn't aware of?
Man, what are you waiting for?  Why don't you contact them with that info?
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.