[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[crazy canuck]

How would this reduce the power of the Feds.  It would render the language rights laws and secularization legislation invalid.

[Grey Fox]

Why listen to the Federal government when it refuses to engage in good faith?

[crazy canuck]

And therein lies the constitutional crisis that would result.

Then Premiers Lougheed (AB), Bennett (BC) and Blakeney (Sask)  would not have agreed to the repatriation of the Constitutional or the creation of the Charter if the Notwithstanding Clause was not included.  It was also a condition of Quebec in the earlier stages of the discussion.

The SCC needs to tread very carefully here.

[crazy canuck]

Carney goes to Mexico to fix the damage Trudeau did to the relationship.  And it doesn't hurt that Trump makes the mending a more urgent matter.

[Grey Fox]

I don't think that's on Trudeau at all.

They left us to fend for our selves at the 1st NAFTA renegotiation.

[crazy canuck]

That is not my recollection - what do you have in mind?

What I am thinking about is what happened in late 2024 when Trudeau, and his cabinet ministers (including Freeland) suggested they would make a deal with the US without Mexico because they agreed with Trump that Mexico was not trading fairly.

Btw, now that we are getting into the details of this, I wonder if this was one of the reasons Feeland had to go, now that we are trying to mend the fences with Mexico.

[Grey Fox]

Much earlier in May of 2018 when Mexico agreed to US terms leaving us behind. Wikipedia credits ambassador Craft for getting the Canada-USA differences under control.

I guess, we do it to each other quite often. Mexico changes leader so often that there is always a missed opporturnity.

[crazy canuck]

Do you have a source better than that to support your claim they went behind our back? Like I said, I remember it being a timing issue more than anything.

[Grey Fox]

No, it's a judgement call.

[Bauer]

I thought I read that it was Trudeau govt who initially betrayed Mexico by not sticking to their previous negotiation handshake agreement.  That caused Mexico to cut a deal on their own.  Can't find an article at the moment.

[viper37]

I don't think that's on Trudeau at all.

They left us to fend for our selves at the 1st NAFTA renegotiation.

IIRC, that was a little more complicated than that.

Canada was preparing to betray Mexico.  Mexico learn of it, betrayed us first.

I believe I posted a G&M article about this here, exactly what happened.

[crazy canuck]

No, it's a judgement call.

You are making a claim that something happened. I don't recall it happening at all.  If you have anything to substantiate your claim, please let me know.

[viper37]

Much earlier in May of 2018 when Mexico agreed to US terms leaving us behind. Wikipedia credits ambassador Craft for getting the Canada-USA differences under control.

I guess, we do it to each other quite often. Mexico changes leader so often that there is always a missed opporturnity.

Ah, here.  Not the G&M, it's from a Mexican newspaper that references the G&M article:
NAFTA betrayal? Canada blindsided Mexico with its own side deal

Canada tried to make a bilateral deal with the US, very nearly succeeded, but when Mexico succeeded, they cut their own bilateral deal.  Most newspapers reported this as a betrayal from Mexico, and that was the story Trudeau spinned at the time.

Trudeau was the same guy on the international scene as he was on the national level: a two face scumbag.

[Grey Fox]

See CC, it did happen and it WAS Trudeau's fault.

All is right, we get to blame Trudeau.

[crazy canuck]

Yes, this is different from what you first claimed.