[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[crazy canuck]

Carney should state what 'leverage' Canada has in trade talks, Poilievre says

Option #1: PP is a moron.
Option #2: PP is a useful idiot.
Option #3: PP is actively working for the GOP.
Option #4: All of the above?

I don't know what to think.

He's a RoC conservative. They are completely addicted to the USA way of doing things.

What is an ROC conservative?

[Valmy]

Carney should state what 'leverage' Canada has in trade talks, Poilievre says

Option #1: PP is a moron.
Option #2: PP is a useful idiot.
Option #3: PP is actively working for the GOP.
Option #4: All of the above?

I don't know what to think.

He's a RoC conservative. They are completely addicted to the USA way of doing things.

What is an ROC conservative?

Non-Quebec I assume.

[crazy canuck]

Carney should state what 'leverage' Canada has in trade talks, Poilievre says

Option #1: PP is a moron.
Option #2: PP is a useful idiot.
Option #3: PP is actively working for the GOP.
Option #4: All of the above?

I don't know what to think.

He's a RoC conservative. They are completely addicted to the USA way of doing things.

What is an ROC conservative?

Non-Quebec I assume.

I got that, but what does that mean?

[Jacob]

RoC = Rest of Canada

[Grey Fox]

Carney should state what 'leverage' Canada has in trade talks, Poilievre says

Option #1: PP is a moron.
Option #2: PP is a useful idiot.
Option #3: PP is actively working for the GOP.
Option #4: All of the above?

I don't know what to think.

He's a RoC conservative. They are completely addicted to the USA way of doing things.

Well then I find his criticism of the Liberals running up debts hilarious. Has he seen how many astronomical debts every President, well except Clinton, since 1980 have run up in the United States? We currently owe over 30 trillion dollars.

And he wants Canada to be run just like the USA eh? And he thinks this will mean less debts?

I think that personally he just wants to win.

[Grey Fox]

CC, was what Jacob answered what you were looking for or were you looking for me explain why I think Quebec and Roc Conservative are different?

[Jacob]

CC, was what Jacob answered what you were looking for or were you looking for me explain why I think Quebec and Roc Conservative are different?

I think he meant the second one - what's the difference? I think I know, but I'd still be curious what your answer is.

[Grey Fox]

Like you probably guess, it's a language difference. While Quebec conservative are sometimes also addicted to the way the American conservatives do things, a majority of them do not consume directly American conservatives content. It goes thru Quebec based influencers. They don't watch Joe Rogan, they listen to people who watch Joe Rogan.

In my opinion that has the effect to first sanitize the message and then recentre it around Quebec specific issues. That creates a division with the ROC.

[crazy canuck]

Thanks. But I think you're making a mistake thinking that Quebec conservatives are the only regional conservatives that have some unique qualities.

I don't think any conservatives in Canada are quite like Alberta conservatives for example

[Bauer]

I think PP just doesn't know how to be anything other than an attack dog.  At the end of Trudeaus reign there was plenty to attack and he sounded half reasonable, but now he's just tiresome.

I keep thinking PP will do to the conservatives what Trudeau did to the liberals, but then again there's always a part of conservatives that seems to want his barking.

[crazy canuck]

All of what you've said about PP is true, but he remains that way because that is what the core of the party membership admires the most. That is why he was elected as leader to replace a person who is trying to move the party into a more mainstream political footing, and why he was recently overwhelmingly supported in the leadership review.

Much like Trump, PP is the symptom not the cause.

[viper37]

and why he was recently overwhelmingly supported in the leadership review.

the rules were in his favour, though.

Unlike previous membership race, you had to be on location in Alberta to vote.  No mail in ballots were accepted this time.

Just before the vote, PP's supporters where meeting delegates to remind them who to vote for with a little note indicating precisely how to vote and whom to vote for.

That's almost voter intimidation.

[crazy canuck]

Yes, that supports my point, he is not the cause. He is the symptom.  For the cause look to what draws people to become core members of that party.

[viper37]

Yes, that supports my point, he is not the cause. He is the symptom.  For the cause look to what draws people to become core members of that party.

But with the GOP, only a few people left the part.
With the Conservatives, I'd say a lot of people left the party so far.  Especially in Quebec.  We're almost back to Reform days.

All it takes is one election when the Libs over perform in Quebec city and you'll see mass defection from the ranks.

[crazy canuck]

I don't think it's accurate to say that a lot of people left the conservative party of Canada.

But more importantly, polling over the last several years shows 30% of the membership are Trump supporters.

You need not look any further to understand why PP says the things he does.