Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Polish fighter jets are apparently shooting down russian drones who entered their airspace.

Yep, that was the headline I woke up to. Fucking Russians.

[crazy canuck]

Polish fighter jets are apparently shooting down russian drones who entered their airspace.

Dutch fighters also took part.

It is being reported that Poland has invoked Article 4.

[Legbiter]

The russians are moving to actively probing NATO. Time to really start fucking them up around the Baltic.

[crazy canuck]

Polish fighter jets are apparently shooting down russian drones who entered their airspace.

Dutch fighters also took part.

It is being reported that Poland has invoked Article 4.

More details, this was a NATO response under Article 4.  Very glad to see this.

NATO air forces scrambled to confront the incursion. They included Polish F-16 fighters, Dutch F-35 fighters, German Patriot air defense systems and an Italian AWACS surveillance aircraft, according to Mark Rutte, NATO's secretary general. There were no immediate reports of casualties in Poland.

[The Minsky Moment]

It is being reported that Poland has invoked Article 4.

Moment of truth for us in the USA.  What will Agent Krasnov do?

[crazy canuck]

I wondered why no US forces were involved in countering the threat.  I hope it was because there were no US assets in the area that could have assisted.

[The Minsky Moment]

I hope it was because there were no US assets in the area that could have assisted.

If true, that would also be concerning

[Tonitrus]

I wondered why no US forces were involved in countering the threat.  I hope it was because there were no US assets in the area that could have assisted.

Probably just not in the area.  Unless part of a NATO rotation, the closest appropriate US assets would be in the far west of Germany or northern Italy.  The Dutch F-35s that assisted were already deployed in Poland under NATO.

[Sheilbh]

I wondered why no US forces were involved in countering the threat.  I hope it was because there were no US assets in the area that could have assisted.

I'd guess not in the area. I think NATO forces in Poland and the Baltics rotate fairly regularly - I think every 6 months or so different members deploy.

[Valmy]

The russians are moving to actively probing NATO. Time to really start fucking them up around the Baltic.

Glad we have the Finns onside. That's a long border the European alliance can fuck with Russia on.

[Josquius]

We really should be having scary looking training exercises in Finland. If at least to draw troops from Ukraine

[Tonitrus]

I think ya'll should close the Baltic to all shipping to/from St Petersburg and Kaliningrad (from outside the Baltic).

[Tamas]

I am starting to worry that Putin has made/coerced Trump into promising to not take action against him provoking European nato countries. The Russians are noticably bolder since the Alaska meeting.

[Tonitrus]

If one were to be worried that it is simply that the Russians think that Trump is ultimately both all-show and all-wimp, and will back down to actual shows of force...one would probably be right.

[Syt]

I am starting to worry that Putin has made/coerced Trump into promising to not take action against him provoking European nato countries. The Russians are noticably bolder since the Alaska meeting.

Or he has concluded that Trump only likes bullying/attacking foes notably weaker than him. And that Trump is too chicken to actually stand up to Russian aggression.