Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[crazy canuck]

It's always been the case that EDI covers working class people. Highlighting this fact and strengthening it even does go some way to battling the "omg woke DEI makes being a white man the hardest thing in the world" nonsense.
But making it an absolute must.... Pff. That really plays into the hands of the kneejerk nonsense.

How has DEI always covered white working class people?

I don't get the question.
The way it states. If your parents didn't go to university and/or they worked in working class professions you get a boost.
My university offer required lower grades than it would have done for a middle class kid.
Even still when applying for jobs this is often a question asked.

OK, so does the DEI in your country cover white working class people?

Yes. As I said I benefited from it 20 years ago with university application and probably still do with some job applications as its often asked about in EDI forms.

DEI did not exist 20 years ago and so I'm beginning to think that you do not understand what DEI is.

[Josquius]

DEI did not exist 20 years ago and so I'm beginning to think that you do not understand what DEI is.

I really don't know when the catch all label was invented, but the core concept of seeking to boost representation for under represented groups was absolutely there.
At my university working class locals did get lower offers than others. This is something I remember for certain.

[crazy canuck]

DEI did not exist 20 years ago and so I'm beginning to think that you do not understand what DEI is.

I really don't know when the catch all label was invented, but the core concept of seeking to boost representation for under represented groups was absolutely there.
At my university working class locals did get lower offers than others. This is something I remember for certain.

DEI is not a label. It is a specific set of policies that have been adopted by governments and the private sector throughout the world.

If you were going to defend it, you should probably know what it is.

[Josquius]

DEI did not exist 20 years ago and so I'm beginning to think that you do not understand what DEI is.

I really don't know when the catch all label was invented, but the core concept of seeking to boost representation for under represented groups was absolutely there.
At my university working class locals did get lower offers than others. This is something I remember for certain.

DEI is not a label. It is a specific set of policies that have been adopted by governments and the private sector throughout the world.

If you were going to defend it, you should probably know what it is.

This is not true.
When people criticise EDI it's broadly the core concept they hate, not the specifics of modern laws.
The term may not have existed at the time but it was the same thing.

[The Minsky Moment]

But what is that core concept that people hate and does it bear any relation to what DEI actually is?

In the US at least, the DEI that people profess to hate is usually some strawman whipped up by podcasters and cable news hosts.  No suprise then that the new administration has purged the very words themselves from various agencies as if the word "equity" or the letters D, E, I when combined contain some sinister kabbalistic power.

[crazy canuck]

But what is that core concept that people hate and does it bear any relation to what DEI actually is?

In the US at least, the DEI that people profess to hate is usually some strawman whipped up by podcasters and cable news hosts.  No suprise then that the new administration has purged the very words themselves from various agencies as if the word "equity" or the letters D, E, I when combined contain some sinister kabbalistic power.

Exactly so

[Razgovory]

But what is that core concept that people hate and does it bear any relation to what DEI actually is?

In the US at least, the DEI that people profess to hate is usually some strawman whipped up by podcasters and cable news hosts.  No suprise then that the new administration has purged the very words themselves from various agencies as if the word "equity" or the letters D, E, I when combined contain some sinister kabbalistic power.

What does DEI actually mean then?

[crazy canuck]

But what is that core concept that people hate and does it bear any relation to what DEI actually is?

In the US at least, the DEI that people profess to hate is usually some strawman whipped up by podcasters and cable news hosts.  No suprise then that the new administration has purged the very words themselves from various agencies as if the word "equity" or the letters D, E, I when combined contain some sinister kabbalistic power.

What does DEI actually mean then?

Policies which further Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.  To know what those specific policies are, you will need to look them up for whatever organization you are interested in.  There are a lot of variations amongst those policies.

[Tamas]

The Supreme Court has saved the banks from having to payassive compensations to people taken for a ride by the car loan brokers the banks secretly bribed to "impartially" recommend them:
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/aug/01/car-loan-scandal-what-the-supreme-court-ruling-means-for-drivers-and-the-uk-economy

[Sheilbh]

I haven't read the decision but from the Supreme Court's press summary it seems like the right decision (unanimously decided):
https://supremecourt.uk/cases/press-summary/uksc-2024-0157

One of the claims succeeded against the dealer under unfair contract rules who'll get the commission with interest.

[Richard Hakluyt]

i don't see the problem with the loans. The buyer is offered a deal, take it or leave it. We bought one using a personal car lease, probably not the most financially efficient method but very quick and convenient. I won't be applying for compensation.

[Tamas]

As I understand the main issue is that the broker got a commission for the particular loans they were "recommending". So almost certainly there had to be better options available for the client.

[crazy canuck]

i don't see the problem with the loans. The buyer is offered a deal, take it or leave it. We bought one using a personal car lease, probably not the most financially efficient method but very quick and convenient. I won't be applying for compensation.

That is why the court dismissed the claims in tort but allowed the claim of the statutory breach.

[Sheilbh]

i don't see the problem with the loans. The buyer is offered a deal, take it or leave it. We bought one using a personal car lease, probably not the most financially efficient method but very quick and convenient. I won't be applying for compensation.

Yeah my read - again, not my area and not read the decision just the summary - is that this is claimant lawyers looking for a route to the deepest pockets. Because you can sue under consumer credit and unfair contract laws - one of those claims succeeds - against the car dealerships. But that's not very valuable for group litigation.

Which is why they argued that the car dealerships were agents, with a fiduciary relationship (as the court press summary puts it "a duty of single-minded loyalty") to the customer and that the commission was covered by the tort of bribery. That's strict liability and you can sue either the payer or recipient of a bribe - so they would have a route to sue the banks.

[The Minsky Moment]

What does DEI actually mean then?

I can only tell you what it means concretely in the law firm context, because I sat in partner and committee meetings where decisions on offers were made, but I assume it operates similarly in other professions and business.  In the law firm context, it means broadening recruitment efforts so that you aren't limiting yourselves to the same 10 law schools that already have alumni in the partnership and giving a wider consideration in lateral associate hiring other than the same X peer firms plus SDNY US Attorneys.  It means broadening the pool of potential candidates NOT hiring lower quality candidates. No rational business would do the latter.