Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Zoupa]

More whataboutism. So no posts where you lament collateral damage to Palestinians from you then.

As I said previously, you are wholly unconcerned with civilian collateral victims as long as it's the IDF doing it.

The sympathy for Palestine is based on the antipathy people have for the guys fighting them.

Speaking for myself, I don't have "sympathy for Palestine"; I simply find the IDF's methods to be horrible and ineffective. Do you really think that Hamas can be defeated this way? The IDF is creating tomorrow's Hamas recruits by making a zillion people homeless, orphans etc. It's dumb.

[crazy canuck]

I missed the part of the conversation when Raz said he's wholly unconcerned about Palestinian collateral damage.

You are right, you did miss it.

[Josquius]

Haven't seen a post by you where you showed any sympathy for the people killed on Oct 7th orr Josq either.  Mostly he argue about his poor understanding of the word "Semite" and his bewilderment that Hamas would do something like this.

What on earth are you talking about?
I have a better grasp on the word Semite than you do and it was pretty clear from the start that I felt those attacks were not a good thing (tm).

They are perceived as white, while this is not strictly speaking true.  It is true in the minds of the antizionists.  If it is the actions that matter, How did everyone decided that the Israelis are the ones to protest?  You'd think that it would be spread out more if was just based on actions.  Certainly the Israelis aren't the only ones who engage in actions worth protesting. 

HVC put it quite nicely.
There's a disagreement there. There's this obvious bad shit going down yet you still get people disagreeing that its particularly terrible.
And its nothing new. Its been going on at some level for decades.

Yet it is the only country in the Middle East people demand be destroyed and it's population either removed or made into a vulnerable, disarmed minority.  Hell, even those that call for America destroyed don't normally demand that the population lose it's right to self determination or that be incorporated into another state.  That is really strange.

Who wants Israel to be destroyed here?
Your bit about America makes no sense at all.

You say you don't care what color they are, but I got to wonder sometimes...

You really don't.  Yet you continue to insist any criticism of Israel can only be born out of anti-semitism.

[crazy canuck]

The Catholic and Orthodox churches are now going to get more involved in the effort to send aid to Gaza

Top church leaders in Jerusalem headed into Gaza Friday in a rare solidarity visit to the territory one day after an Israeli shell slammed into its only Catholic church, killing three people.

The Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, Pierbattista Pizzaballa, and Greek Orthodox Patriarch Theophilos III entered Gaza in the morning to express the "shared pastoral solicitude of the Churches of the Holy Land," read a statement released by the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem.

The patriarchs and their delegation arrived at the Holy Family Catholic Church in Gaza in the afternoon. As well as the three people killed in the strike, 10 were wounded, including the resident priest. The church compound was damaged.

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The delegation was also planning on sending hundreds of tons of food aid, medical supplies and equipment to families inside Gaza, the patriarchate said, adding they also had "ensured evacuation" of individuals injured in the attack to hospitals outside Gaza.

[Razgovory]

What on earth are you talking about?
I have a better grasp on the word Semite than you do and it was pretty clear from the start that I felt those attacks were not a good thing (tm).

Yes, you think it's bad for the Palestinians.  As for Semite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy

HVC put it quite nicely.
There's a disagreement there. There's this obvious bad shit going down yet you still get people disagreeing that its particularly terrible.
And its nothing new. Its been going on at some level for decades.

All wars are bad.  But people really seem focused on this one.

You really don't.  Yet you continue to insist any criticism of Israel can only be born out of anti-semitism.

You keep saying that but I keep pointing to time I've criticized Israel. 

[Razgovory]

More whataboutism. So no posts where you lament collateral damage to Palestinians from you then.

As I said previously, you are wholly unconcerned with civilian collateral victims as long as it's the IDF doing it.

The sympathy for Palestine is based on the antipathy people have for the guys fighting them.

Speaking for myself, I don't have "sympathy for Palestine"; I simply find the IDF's methods to be horrible and ineffective. Do you really think that Hamas can be defeated this way? The IDF is creating tomorrow's Hamas recruits by making a zillion people homeless, orphans etc. It's dumb.

Incorrect.  I have as much concern as for civilian casualties in Palestine as I did for Syrian and Iraqi casualties during the war against ISIS.  Can you say the same?

[Jacob]

Yeah, Jake's thing was one and done.  You may have a point.

Could you clarify the point you're using me to make? I don't quite follow.

[Josquius]

Yes, you think it's bad for the Palestinians.

And you don't?

] As for Semite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy

Yet again you make zero sense.

All wars are bad.  But people really seem focused on this one.

Yes. And when you stop the kneejerk shrieking of anti semitism and look at the reasons it's really pretty logical why.

You keep saying that but I keep pointing to time I've criticized Israel. 

On what? You don't like their uniforms?

[Razgovory]

I am regularly critical of both Netanyahu and the Settlers.  But I forgot, you don't bother to read my posts, do you?

[Zoupa]

More whataboutism. So no posts where you lament collateral damage to Palestinians from you then.

As I said previously, you are wholly unconcerned with civilian collateral victims as long as it's the IDF doing it.

The sympathy for Palestine is based on the antipathy people have for the guys fighting them.

Speaking for myself, I don't have "sympathy for Palestine"; I simply find the IDF's methods to be horrible and ineffective. Do you really think that Hamas can be defeated this way? The IDF is creating tomorrow's Hamas recruits by making a zillion people homeless, orphans etc. It's dumb.

Incorrect.  I have as much concern as for civilian casualties in Palestine as I did for Syrian and Iraqi casualties during the war against ISIS.  Can you say the same?

Yes. Although in your case, you are technically correct: zero concern = zero concern = zero concern.

[Admiral Yi]

Yeah, Jake's thing was one and done.  You may have a point.

Could you clarify the point you're using me to make? I don't quite follow.

I'm agreeing with Hillary's point, that protestors protest when there is opposition to their position.  You attended a pro Ukraine protest, but as there isn't any significant support for Russia in Canada, it's not an on going thing.

[crazy canuck]

The largest demonstrations we ever had in Vancouver, over many years, was the anti-nuclear protest movement.  Tens of thousands of people would participate in an annual march to protest nuclear weapons. There was no significant support for nuclear weapons in Vancouver, or Canada.

[Razgovory]

More whataboutism. So no posts where you lament collateral damage to Palestinians from you then.

As I said previously, you are wholly unconcerned with civilian collateral victims as long as it's the IDF doing it.

The sympathy for Palestine is based on the antipathy people have for the guys fighting them.

Speaking for myself, I don't have "sympathy for Palestine"; I simply find the IDF's methods to be horrible and ineffective. Do you really think that Hamas can be defeated this way? The IDF is creating tomorrow's Hamas recruits by making a zillion people homeless, orphans etc. It's dumb.

Incorrect.  I have as much concern as for civilian casualties in Palestine as I did for Syrian and Iraqi casualties during the war against ISIS.  Can you say the same?

Yes. Although in your case, you are technically correct: zero concern = zero concern = zero concern.

And your concern varies on a race by race basis.

[Admiral Yi]

I haven't seen one post where Raz states he's concerned about Palestinian collateral damage. I'm happy to be proven wrong if such posts exist.

We have a number of posters who don't participate at all in this thread.  Can we conclude from this that they are wholly unconcerned about Palestinian and Israeli civilian deaths?

Have you ever posted your concern about Israeli deaths or hostages?

[DGuller]

We have a number of posters who don't participate at all in this thread.

Their loss.