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Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

Started by mongers, August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM

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Duque de Bragança

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Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 19, 2025, 02:36:24 PMrumours that there are iranian units on the front too now.

And people were worried the West was escalating this to WW3. Russia is bringing in a whole international coalition.



Damn Imperialist West! ;)

Legbiter

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Tonitrus

Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 02:42:29 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 19, 2025, 02:36:24 PMrumours that there are iranian units on the front too now.

And people were worried the West was escalating this to WW3. Russia is bringing in a whole international coalition.

The "Axis of Evil" even.

Zoupa


Josquius

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Read a muttering, no original source provided as apparently it wasn't translated, that a lesser Ukrainian General claimed Ukraine was in a very good state right now. The loss ratio is now on a bad day for Ukraine at 1:7 in their favour. More normally 1:12.


On Iranians... I've seen nothing. But I'd be surprised if they've send large numbers ala north Korea.
I'd also be surprised if they don't have some limited numbers there to learn.
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Tamas

Quote from: Valmy on May 19, 2025, 12:26:07 PM
Quote from: Josquius on May 19, 2025, 11:18:50 AMWeird results with the nazi having a majority amongst expats.
I read an explanation this is because they live in a "virtual Romania", terminally online.
But quite the opposite of what you normally expect.



Green is nerd
Yellow is Nazi

It looks like the Hungarians voted nerd. I guess a Romanian Orban would have been bad news for them.

The nazi was desecrating graves of Hungarian WW2 soldiers just 3 years ago. He would have been far worse for Hungarians than just a generic Orban clone.

Which is why it was puzzling that Orban publicly supported him. Massive unforced error on his part, would have been even if the nazi have won. Orban has either completely lost his touch with reality or he is kept on a very tight leash by Putin and needs to publicly support people Putin tells him to.

Josquius

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When googling for info about the mentioned Hungarian support the first result was "hungarian conservative" - quite why they're writing in English I don't know.
It was funny. Lots of cope about how the new guy only won thanks to the Hungarians so he better appreciate us!


On Ukraine. A post from a Ukrainian guy I follow which was curious

QuoteFrom Deepstate:

🔥 425th Special Forces Regiment "Skala" announced the creation of the first motorcycle assault company in the Armed Forces of Ukraine

🏍 On their channel, they showed fighters training on motorcycles, shared their thoughts, expectations, and vision of their future use in assault operations.

👤 To date, the practice of active use of motorcycles in the ranks of the Defense Forces is absent and has not yet become widespread. Of course, there are isolated individual cases when someone gets to positions on a motorcycle, moves from point "A" to point "B", but participation in attacks has not been observed.

🇷🇺 At the same time, assault operations on motorcycles are actively carried out by Muscovites, and opinions differ here. It is no secret that such cases of use were mostly ridiculed and considered ineffective at first glance, because almost all attempts by the enemy to such assaults were multiplied by zero, in particular, by FPV drone crews or artillery. But the time has come and the process of ridicule has become our process, as it was with "barn tanks", as it was with anti-drone nets, etc., and now it is time to think - effective or not?

🤔 On the one hand, we can safely say that this tactic is not effective, because in most cases the enemy does not manage to successfully reach the designated points at the time of the attack and they are often destroyed. Just remember the recent attempt to storm the NGU position in the Yelizavetovka area, where the Katsaps used about a hundred motorcycles, and which was multiplied by zero thanks to the work of the Ukrainian military. It is worth noting that the enemy's successful advances using motorcycles are, first of all, due to their endless number and constant pressure. And this is not a single company of assault troops on motorcycles for the entire army, but hundreds of Katsap freaks who climb like locusts. Therefore, depending on the direction and nature of the fighting, everyone can draw different conclusions about effectiveness. Someone will see the possibility of a quick and successful advance to the enemy's positions, and someone will never get on a motorcycle, destroying them in droves every day. On the other hand, there is the efficiency of mobility, speed and comfort in getting to your positions, delivering provisions and other necessary means, conducting rotations, etc. It is such applications that can facilitate the above-mentioned processes and help save the lives of fighters who would move on foot or on larger equipment with a higher percentage of damage.

⚔️ But attention was paid specifically to the assault company on motorcycles. So here we just have to wait and see how much this tactic will take root in the ranks of the Defense Forces. Believe that there will be a more modern approach in the process of assault operations and we will not observe the work of FPV drones or artillery, but from the enemy's side. Time forge practice.

Ukraine to start using motorbikes too...and an assault unit...
I wonder how. Something like dragons I guess? Snatching trenches that have been droned to shit before the Russians can repopulate them?
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Tonitrus

Pickett's Charge would have succeeded if they had access to motorcycles.

"Hogs of the South".

The Minsky Moment

Artillery beats motorcycles.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Tonitrus

Seriously though...I could see their value somewhat as a more dispersed way of moving infantry towards/near a frontline (if one lacked the APCs that would better provide some protection from the effects of artillery).  Sort of a "mounted infantry" with mechanical horses (dragoons, like Josq said). 

But for charging entrenched positions?  Feels a bit kamikaze-like to have squads of infantry rolling them up towards a trench line (where'd you have to immediately dump them) under fire. 

HVC

Need sidecars. Modern day chariots.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Jacob

From my limited perspective, I think the Ukrainians have been pretty good at technological and tactical innovation. I'll trust them to properly evaluate the useful applications of motorcycles. Nothing like an actual war to rapidly evaluate the efficacy of new ideas.

Personally I'd think that the use would be more in rapid deployment and repositioning, in the vein of Japanese bicycle troops in WWII. Totally outside my wheelhouse however.

Razgovory

Seems like motorcycles would be a very loud, fuel inefficient way to move troops.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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DGuller

Quote from: Razgovory on May 20, 2025, 08:29:33 PMSeems like motorcycles would be a very loud, fuel inefficient way to move troops.
Why in the world would it be fuel inefficient?  Motorcycles are significantly more fuel-efficient than cars, let alone armored vehicles.

HVC

Quote from: DGuller on May 20, 2025, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 20, 2025, 08:29:33 PMSeems like motorcycles would be a very loud, fuel inefficient way to move troops.
Why in the world would it be fuel inefficient?  Motorcycles are significantly more fuel-efficient than cars, let alone armored vehicles.

Probably less fuel efficient per passenger compared to a dedicated transport vehicle. Also, when I think military vehicle I don't think whisper quiet anyway.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.