What does a BIDEN Presidency look like?

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

See: 1992.

[Legbiter]

This was an issue...long pointed out. Some languishbros got more heated than others...More incredible still, some here actually predicted Harris would win...

[Valmy]

This was an issue...long pointed out. Some languishbros got more heated than others...More incredible still, some here actually predicted Harris would win...

Yeah well it was close. Anyway I was white knuckled hoping for a miracle so hardly an objective cool minded judge. So we lost and now everything is fucked. So fuck me, my country, and everything else.

If a sitting President faces a serious primary challenge then he is probably going to lose the general election though.

Yeah well he shouldn't have run. And he all but promised he wouldn't during his win in 2020 so it is not like him not running would have reflected badly on him.

[Josquius]

Trouble is the GOP have huge wolf crying energy.
If they say something then you can be sure 9 times out of 10 the opposite is true.
Biden being so far gone was the one time they were right.

[Valmy]

Trouble is the GOP have huge wolf crying energy.
If they say something then you can be sure 9 times out of 10 the opposite is true.
Biden being so far gone was the one time they were right.

They weren't alone in that at all. Tons of people were expressing concern about Biden's age. That was not some right wing conspiracy theory.

The GOP thing they are doing is advancing that while ignoring Trump being basically the same age.

[Josquius]

Trouble is the GOP have huge wolf crying energy.
If they say something then you can be sure 9 times out of 10 the opposite is true.
Biden being so far gone was the one time they were right.

They weren't alone in that at all. Tons of people were expressing concern about Biden's age. That was not some right wing conspiracy theory.

The GOP thing they are doing is advancing that while ignoring Trump being basically the same age.

I'm obviously not representative of Americans but it was only  from hysterical trumpies online that I heard it.

I wonder if there was something intentional in this, poisoning talking about the topic to force the dems to defend Biden?

[Savonarola]

A full and open Primary was necessary. I knew it then and it is obvious now.

Has there ever been a primary with the President still intending to be re-elected?

Yes since 1900 there have been three serious primary challenges against a sitting president; 1912 (Taft-Roosevelt), 1976 (Ford-Reagan) and 1980 (Carter-Kennedy).  In all three cases the sitting president won the primary but lost the general election (to Wilson, Carter and Reagan respectively.)  This is a significant reason why Biden didn't face a serious challenger.

[Legbiter]

Yeah well it was close. Anyway I was white knuckled hoping for a miracle so hardly an objective cool minded judge. So we lost and now everything is fucked. So fuck me, my country, and everything else.

Well, you are one of major reasons I even want to stay to banter.

I can always mysteriously intone at my local Rotary/cigar club that I know a real Texan (Valmy) and a real Brit(RH)..

[Razgovory]

See: 1992.

Also 1980 and 1968.  Before that I'm a little hazy, the way primaries worked was different prior to the 1960's.  Still, Hoover lost several primaries in 1932, so having a primary for the sitting president seems like a death knell. 

[Bauer]

Trouble is the GOP have huge wolf crying energy.
If they say something then you can be sure 9 times out of 10 the opposite is true.
Biden being so far gone was the one time they were right.

Yeah that's part of what was so bad about it.  Being proven right once emboldens all the other shit.

[Sheilbh]

From the NYTimes today

Also bluntly the power and politics plays a role.

I remember reading a piece about Dianne Feinstein - and it basically sounded like the group of thirty-something aides around her basically were the Senator. It was kind of gross to be honest.

And I suspect for the parties it's not the worst thing. Actually functioning legislators might have an independent thought at some point - while I suspect a hivemind of congressional aides are fairly reliable/predictable (I can't help but imagine that donors and lobbyists also know this...)

[Zoupa]

This was an issue...long pointed out. Some languishbros got more heated than others...More incredible still, some here actually predicted Harris would win...

I predicted a Harris win with over 300 EV and +10 million votes differential.

It seems my trust in the yanks' common sense was, once more, misplaced.

[DGuller]

This was an issue...long pointed out. Some languishbros got more heated than others...More incredible still, some here actually predicted Harris would win...

I predicted a Harris win with over 300 EV and +10 million votes differential.

It seems my trust in the yanks' common sense was, once more, misplaced.

It could also be paying more attention to what you want to be true, and less attention to what you don't want to be true.  I always had a lot more enthusiasm to watch videos of Ukrainian drones dropping grenades on Russian troops than I did to watch the videos of Russian drones dropping grenades on Ukrainian troops.  As a result I was very confident that the counter-offensive of 2023 would crush the Russians.

[Legbiter]

I predicted a Harris win with over 300 EV and +10 million votes differential.

It seems my trust in the yanks' common sense was, once more, misplaced.

Hey, water under the bridge.

You're a fellow Languishite, we've all had a bit too much fun once in a while. Once I woke after a languishmeet, a Erasmus gal on my left and a leaking hotel bathroom to the right.

I woke up early because I noticed a snuff box on the night stand from Sheilbh, that's how I made my flight in the end. It was great, RH told me to drink plenty of tea the day after. It all was great.

[Razgovory]

This was an issue...long pointed out. Some languishbros got more heated than others...More incredible still, some here actually predicted Harris would win...

I predicted a Harris win with over 300 EV and +10 million votes differential.

It seems my trust in the yanks' common sense was, once more, misplaced.

It could also be paying more attention to what you want to be true, and less attention to what you don't want to be true.  I always had a lot more enthusiasm to watch videos of Ukrainian drones dropping grenades on Russian troops than I did to watch the videos of Russian drones dropping grenades on Ukrainian troops.  As a result I was very confident that the counter-offensive of 2023 would crush the Russians.

You know, I had exactly the same problem.