What does a BIDEN Presidency look like?

[Admiral Yi]

I agree.

[Razgovory]

I'm talking about legal system in general, I just gave an example that was civil.  Cops can likewise use the power of the state to fuck with you, if that's what they choose to do.  Some traffic offenses, over which cops have great discretion, can still cost you a pretty penny to defend yourself against, with serious consequences if you don't.

I've mentioned before I enjoy watching cop cams.  I watch them a lot.  A lot of them start with something innocuous like window tint or a busted tail light.  The escalation inevitably is initiated by the driver's refusal to hand over an ID or roll down the window.  I have never seen a video in which I judged the driver was cuffed an processed because the cop was on a power trip.

I watch those a lot as well.  High schools should have a mandatory class "how not to get arrested", where they teach you what to do when you meet a cop, and show a bunch of those videos.  You could really cut down on needless arrests and shootings if people understood how they are suppose to act when around a cop.

[HVC]

There was (is?) a YouTube channel that had a guy showing teens those lessons. He got called Uncle Tom a lot.

[Solmyr]

If Trump decides to go after people, will he even care about pardons issued by Biden?

[crazy canuck]

There is at least a good argument to be had regarding what it means to preemptively pardon somebody. So, I am not going to be surprised if the trumpet administration tests the legal limits of those pardons.

The main reason Trump wouldn't want to do that is thinking ahead he would like to preemptively pardon everybody around him after he leaves office.

[The Minsky Moment]

Yeah cc you answered your own question.  Trump won't do anything to weaken his favorite Presidential power.  Biden is yesterday's news, not a priority.  There are plenty of present-day enemies whose rights can be violated. And with an incompetent AG running a crippled agency, there will be only so much bandwidth.

[Barrister]

I'm talking about legal system in general, I just gave an example that was civil.  Cops can likewise use the power of the state to fuck with you, if that's what they choose to do.  Some traffic offenses, over which cops have great discretion, can still cost you a pretty penny to defend yourself against, with serious consequences if you don't.

I've mentioned before I enjoy watching cop cams.  I watch them a lot.  A lot of them start with something innocuous like window tint or a busted tail light.  The escalation inevitably is initiated by the driver's refusal to hand over an ID or roll down the window.  I have never seen a video in which I judged the driver was cuffed an processed because the cop was on a power trip.

I watch those a lot as well.  High schools should have a mandatory class "how not to get arrested", where they teach you what to do when you meet a cop, and show a bunch of those videos.  You could really cut down on needless arrests and shootings if people understood how they are suppose to act when around a cop.

eh...

So like Yi, I went through an algorithm rabbit hole of watching sovereign citizen/freemen getting absolutely owned by cops when they completely do not understand their legal obligations.

But I'd also hate for every police-citizen interaction to become very legalistic.

"Hey there.  I'm with the police - can you tell me what's going on here?"

"Fuck you.  Here's my drivers license.  I'm not going to say anything else until I speak with my lawyer".

"I was just asking..."

"Not. One. Word".


So often when police arrive on the scene they have no clue what the hell is going on - just that someone called for the police.  Many times a quick chat with the officer is all it takes to resolve matters.

Even worse - when I see files where there's obviously two sides to the story, but when only one side talks with the police then that's all I have to go by.

[Sheilbh]

Were all the rules broken, or were they just set up in such way that they grossly favoured certain interests and structures?  I suppose you could argue that the legal system was made useless through the sheer expense involved.

Yeah, I don't understand the line about rules being broken, the criticism that has more weight is the imposition of needless rules.

The thing that sprung to mind for me - leaving the issues themselves to the side - is the different approach Western countries have taken to ICC warrants for Putin and Netanyahu.

[crazy canuck]

Were all the rules broken, or were they just set up in such way that they grossly favoured certain interests and structures?  I suppose you could argue that the legal system was made useless through the sheer expense involved.

Yeah, I don't understand the line about rules being broken, the criticism that has more weight is the imposition of needless rules.

The thing that sprung to mind for me - leaving the issues themselves to the side - is the different approach Western countries have taken to ICC warrants for Putin and Netanyahu.

In what way? The US has always opposed the ICC in principle, so it was not surprising the US reacted the way it did.  And the countries that have supported the creation of the ICC also acted accordingly - or am I missing something?