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Syria Disintegrating: Part 2

Started by jimmy olsen, May 22, 2012, 01:22:34 AM

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viper37

Quote from: Razgovory on December 12, 2024, 05:58:47 PM
Quote from: viper37 on December 12, 2024, 05:33:45 PM
Quote from: Norgy on December 10, 2024, 02:57:10 PMI think this is mostly a sign of how the Hezbollah have been weakened and a credit to Israel's military strength.
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It's just facts.  Israel alone might have needed to chose a its ennemies more carefully and pick less targets at once.

The British didn't mount any counter-offensive against Japan during WWII until after the Americans joined the war, after all.  It's always a matter of picking targets according to your means and not striking everywhere all at once.
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grumbler

Quote from: viper37 on December 12, 2024, 07:43:26 PMIt's just facts.  Israel alone might have needed to chose a its ennemies more carefully and pick less targets at once.

The British didn't mount any counter-offensive against Japan during WWII until after the Americans joined the war, after all.  It's always a matter of picking targets according to your means and not striking everywhere all at once.

The UK wasn't at war with Japan before the US entered the war.
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Quote from: viper37 on December 12, 2024, 07:43:26 PMIt's just facts.  Israel alone might have needed to chose a its ennemies more carefully and pick less targets at once.

The British didn't mount any counter-offensive against Japan during WWII until after the Americans joined the war, after all.  It's always a matter of picking targets according to your means and not striking everywhere all at once.

They didn't launch a counter-offensive because the Japanese hadn't launched an offensive against them yet.

The Japanese attacked the British just hours before Pearl Harbor:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kota_Bharu
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viper37

Quote from: grumbler on December 13, 2024, 06:24:30 AM
Quote from: viper37 on December 12, 2024, 07:43:26 PMIt's just facts.  Israel alone might have needed to chose a its ennemies more carefully and pick less targets at once.

The British didn't mount any counter-offensive against Japan during WWII until after the Americans joined the war, after all.  It's always a matter of picking targets according to your means and not striking everywhere all at once.

The UK wasn't at war with Japan before the US entered the war.
Ok, I got my timing of the invasion wrong. The British still waited by 1943 to launch their counter-attack, concentrating on the Germans first.

They recognized they could not take on everyone all at once alone and had to consolidate their supply lines first.

I will maintain that without US military support, Israel could not have afforded to be so aggressive.  The IDF is still a good army, but it can't do anything significant without US aid.
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Sheilbh

So not relevant to the point on Israel necessarily, but the British Empire ends with the fall of Singapore and Hong Kong - the rest is just epilogue. Not sure there was much choice in timing of counter-attack.

But also I'm not totally sure it's right to separate out the British. Britain had successfully got America to commit to a Europe first strategy so it wasn't the British but the allies. And I think that is especially important in the context of the war in Asia - as China is key and the forgotten ally. I think part of the "British" counter-attack (by the Indian Army) in 1943 is in part to demonstrate commitment to Chiang and was hoped to open lines of supply to China and involved Chinese troops (which I believe are still the subject of fierce debate/blame allocation between Chiang and Stilwell). There's no British counter-attack, Britain is just a subordinate part of a wider allied strategy.
Let's bomb Russia!

Neil

Quote from: viper37 on December 13, 2024, 01:47:33 PMOk, I got my timing of the invasion wrong. The British still waited by 1943 to launch their counter-attack, concentrating on the Germans first.
Timing is still wrong.  The first attempt by the British to launch an offensive against the Japanese was at the end of 1942 in Arakan, which was before they landed in Europe, and Al Alamein had just happened.  Britain was able to attempt the offensive in the East. 

Besides, I think that your metaphor is a bit tortured anyways.  Israel has only been attacking one enemy:  Iran. 
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Razgovory

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Norgy

Quote from: Razgovory on December 13, 2024, 05:59:02 PMOn this board, ignorance about WW2 is unforgivable. 

I think that should be the Languish slogan, actually.  :hug:

Barrister

Quote from: Razgovory on December 13, 2024, 05:59:02 PMOn this board, ignorance about WW2 is unforgivable. 

So my 11 year old is in many ways the one who takes after me the most.  He's really into (age appropriate) history books as just one example.

The other day he asked me if "the Nazis took over all of France in WWII".

So I had free rein to go off about de Gaulle, the Free French, and Vichy France for at least 10 minutes...  (I think I even snuck in a reference to Casablanca) :D
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Sheilbh

Let's bomb Russia!

HVC

So... where does he stand on de Gaulle being authoritarian? :D
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Top dad moment.  :bowler:

My son, also 11, is getting quite verse in MAD and nuclear deterrence these days. It's sometimes unsettling.
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Tonitrus

I here I am...at a military institution, when on the lesson on the Russian nuclear triad, most often get crickets when I ask "can anyone tell me what the nuclear triad is"?  :P

HVC

Quote from: Tonitrus on December 13, 2024, 07:51:27 PMI here I am...at a military institution, when on the lesson on the Russian nuclear triad, most often get crickets when I ask "can anyone tell me what the nuclear triad is"?  :P
Radioactive asians? :unsure:
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Norgy

Even the Crips would not mess with that gang.  :ph34r: