2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[Grey Fox]

The so called internet 2.0 was a mistake is the more correct statement.

[HVC]

Seriously though, Vance has the face of a guy who you'd genuinely believe anything about. Anyone could make up the most absurd accusation about him and most people would look at his face and think, "Yeah, that makes sense." It's so easy to make fun of the guy.

Terrible VP pick.

People voting for trump don't care who is the VP. If it was constitutionally viable he could have picked a potted plant.

[OttoVonBismarck]

She's lost the Otto vote (such as it is) and not without reason.

As I mentioned earlier she never had it, and I didn't really anticipate she would get it--she was never likely to be more sympathetic to Israel than is Biden, whose own fecklessness on the issue cost him my support.

[FunkMonk]

Seriously though, Vance has the face of a guy who you'd genuinely believe anything about. Anyone could make up the most absurd accusation about him and most people would look at his face and think, "Yeah, that makes sense." It's so easy to make fun of the guy.

Terrible VP pick.

People voting for trump don't care who is the VP. If it was constitutionally viable he could have picked a potted plant.

True but it is still hilarious 

[jimmy olsen]

Seriously though, Vance has the face of a guy who you'd genuinely believe anything about. Anyone could make up the most absurd accusation about him and most people would look at his face and think, "Yeah, that makes sense." It's so easy to make fun of the guy.

Terrible VP pick.

Still up on his twitter feed. It's real
https://x.com/JDVance/status/1758824534247878692

[viper37]

She's lost the Otto vote (such as it is) and not without reason.

Israel is there for the land grab.  Has been from the beginning, as evidenced by all their other actions, notably the continued annexation of territory in the West Bank.  Otto is just happy to see the Palestinians gone.

And they are not even pretending to hide from it anymore.

[The Minsky Moment]

What's does a "land grab" even mean when Israel already has jurisdiction over Gaza?

[OttoVonBismarck]

The West Bank is Israel, it has nothing to "grab."

[Razgovory]

Israel is the one with agency in this situation.

Hamas could stop fighting and hide.

Or you know, they could surrender.  Even the Confederates and the Nazis had the decency to surrender.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Seriously though, Vance has the face of a guy who you'd genuinely believe anything about. Anyone could make up the most absurd accusation about him and most people would look at his face and think, "Yeah, that makes sense." It's so easy to make fun of the guy.

Terrible VP pick.

People voting for trump don't care who is the VP. If it was constitutionally viable he could have picked a potted plant.

Or even better: himself.
Though I'm sure Trump would have come into conflict with Trump soon

[grumbler]

Israel is the one with agency in this situation. The one that America has close links with and can actually have proper discussions with. The functional democracy.
Its pretty common sense the focus would be on Israel.
No doubt some would complain they're discussing the future of the Palestinians without the Palestinians actually being involved. But that's a lot easier said than done with the current mess there and the fact the key player that will need dealing with is a terrorist organisation, so can't exactly casually send someone on a state visit to the US.

The Palestinians are involved.  Hamas has accepted this deal in principal, with only the details remaining to be worked out.

[grumbler]

I don't see how there could be any deal without some provision for how Gaza is governed when Israel is withdrawn.  That is fundamental. 

The plan proposes negotiations regarding that to occur between phases 1 and 2; i.e. it punts on the issue to get a ceasefire in place (for 6 weeks).

[DGuller]

Israel is the one with agency in this situation.

Hamas could stop fighting and hide.

Or you know, they could surrender.  Even the Confederates and the Nazis had the decency to surrender.

To be fair, the Confederates and the Nazis didn't have sympathizers all over the world with ability to project political power on their enemies.

[grumbler]

Seriously though, Vance has the face of a guy who you'd genuinely believe anything about. Anyone could make up the most absurd accusation about him and most people would look at his face and think, "Yeah, that makes sense." It's so easy to make fun of the guy.

Terrible VP pick.

OTOH, Vance has absolutely no principals and will change his stand on any issue to whatever stand is more popular on a moment's notice.  He's notably less scrupled than even your average MAGAt, which has to be a benefit when paired with a presidential candidate as unscrupulous as Trump.

[grumbler]

The West Bank is Israel, it has nothing to "grab."

Ah, the old lebensraum argument.  The only disadvantage to that is that no nation other than Israel believes it.  It's even less popular than the Russian claims that Donetsk, etc are Russia.