Football (Soccer) Thread

[FunkMonk]

Seems like clubs want "the next Pep" so they're taking people who were in his orbit: Arteta, Maresca (Chelsea), and Kompany

[Jacob]

Bamboozled by that Bayern-Kompany thing. And I like Kompany a lot.

What's this?

[Sheilbh]

What's this?

Vincent Kompany, won promotion to the Premier League with Burnley (by all accounts they were great in the Championship) and then this season they've won 24 points, are 19th and being relegated again.

He has just been poached by Bayern Munich

Seems like clubs want "the next Pep" so they're taking people who were in his orbit: Arteta, Maresca (Chelsea), and Kompany

Yeah although I've said before but I have a theory that with the massive clubs, like Bayern, it's maybe actually a little bit more like international management. Lots of man management of superstars who are not going to start changing their game for you unless the entire club is built around you (Pep) or you've got a record/aura already.

I could be wrong.

[Jacob]

Oh yeah, that's something alright. Thanks

[FunkMonk]

What's this?

Vincent Kompany, won promotion to the Premier League with Burnley (by all accounts they were great in the Championship) and then this season they've won 24 points, are 19th and being relegated again.

He has just been poached by Bayern Munich

Seems like clubs want "the next Pep" so they're taking people who were in his orbit: Arteta, Maresca (Chelsea), and Kompany

Yeah although I've said before but I have a theory that with the massive clubs, like Bayern, it's maybe actually a little bit more like international management. Lots of man management of superstars who are not going to start changing their game for you unless the entire club is built around you (Pep) or you've got a record/aura already.

I could be wrong.

My understanding of Kompany is he's a very tactical manager and is wedded to a certain way of playing. I don't know how good his man management skills are but on the face of it I think he'll be sacked by Christmas 

[Tamas]

I am sure third time is the charm for Chelsea bringing in a newbie coach from the lower division.

Kompany's appointment is baffling. I have to think nobody better accepted the job. Good luck for him though, quite the chance to make his mark as a coach.

[Josquius]

Painful times for Sunderland. Seems they were on the cusp of getting the man they wanted... But then Lens in France swooped in to tempt him.
Seems things plodded on so long with Sunderland because they're very strict on the whole head coach has little to do with signings system.
I believe Chelsea is going with this too?

[Threviel]

That's dumb, the head coach should set the style of play he wants and acquire players to fit that style.

Lots of great teams fuck up because the board wants to hire someone special for some special reason.

Of course, for teams that routinely fire their head coaches it might be a good idea to have some continuity in the head recruiter role.

[Josephus]

That's dumb, the head coach should set the style of play he wants and acquire players to fit that style.

Lots of great teams fuck up because the board wants to hire someone special for some special reason.

Of course, for teams that routinely fire their head coaches it might be a good idea to have some continuity in the head recruiter role.

It's pretty much the American sports model, and it is gaining popularity in Euro soccer

[Josquius]

That's dumb, the head coach should set the style of play he wants and acquire players to fit that style.

Lots of great teams fuck up because the board wants to hire someone special for some special reason.

Of course, for teams that routinely fire their head coaches it might be a good idea to have some continuity in the head recruiter role.

The theory makes sense. Every new manager coming in wanting their own style and their own players ends up costing a fortune and has poor results. It's much better to have a consistent style and recruitment towards this no matter who is in charge.
Sunderland have certainly suffered from the old way done poorly.
But getting people willing to work in the new way is tough when you aren't Chelsea. And if the recruitment and board aren't great....

Seems we particularly suffered here as we were chasing a very in demand manager and the other team has offered him a traditional management job

[Tamas]

I haven't been following international football. Does England have an actual chance on the Euros?

[Sheilbh]

It's pretty much the American sports model, and it is gaining popularity in Euro soccer

Interesting you see it as American as I think here it's always been seen as the European model - that there's a sporting director/director of football who defines the style of a team and the manager is just one part of that. Definitely associated here with German, Dutch and Italian football I think.

In the UK the example of that model working is probably Brighton - but lots of clubs try and fail at it and others sort of half heart it. In Everton we have a director of football which seems to be working but in a previous iteration had one and he, the manager, the chairman and the owner basically were all involved in transfers - which is why we accidentally bought three 10s in one summer

[FunkMonk]

https://archive.ph/2024.06.04-143528/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/sport/football/article/man-city-legal-action-premier-league-hearing-7k6r5glhq

Big if true

Manchester City have launched an unprecedented legal action against the Premier League in a move that has sparked civil war in English football's top flight.

The dispute, which has become a battle between the most powerful clubs in the country, will be settled after a two-week private arbitration hearing starting on Monday.
The outcome could dramatically alter the landscape of the professional game and have a significant impact on a separate hearing set for November into City's 115 alleged breaches of the Premier League's regulations and financial rules. That hearing, expected to last six weeks, could lead to massive fines for the club owners and possibly even relegation for Pep Guardiola's all-conquering side.

At next week's hearing, which has provoked bitter divisions between clubs, City will attempt to end the league's Associated Party Transaction (APT) rules, which they claim are unlawful, and seek damages from the Premier League.

[Josquius]

I wonder if this indicates their FFP case is looking dodgy

[Tamas]

Oil sheiks staging a coup of the Premier League?