Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

[alfred russel]

There really isn't anything complicated about easing sanctions on Venezuela. The republicans are in an ideal political situation regarding gas prices (which feeds a lot of other issues like inflation). Push for sanctions on Russian oil because of the war, and Biden has two options: go along in which case the price of oil soars and it is an epic albatross in the midterms, or don't go along and pin Biden as too soft on Russia/ultimately funding the operations in Ukraine.

[Habbaku]

Reports coming out that the Japanese are reasserting their claim on the Kurils. 

[Duque de Bragança]

Reports coming out that the Japanese are reasserting their claim on the Kurils. 

The Sack of Sakhalin? 

[viper37]

So, the problem is Ukraine's decision to leave the USSR in the early 1990s.  That was nationalism.  It means in your mind, there is never a valid justification for the independence of a country, only for the joining, willingly or not of two countries.

What the fuck?

And I ask that sincerely. 😄

According to Tyr, the problem is nationalism, which is a cancer.

Ukraine's decision to seek independence from Russia derives from nationalism, the formation of a distinct Ukrainian nationality, in their minds, from Russia's cultural hegemony.

The desire of the population is to seek trade alliances with the West, not with Russia.  If they were good slaves to the imperial regime of Russia, we wouldn't have a war: Ukraine's natural resources would belong to russian oligarchs, Ukrainians would serve in the Russian military, Ukraine would never have asked to trade with the EU, to join the EU, or open talks with NATO since there would have been no 2014 invasion.

I think Tyr's position is pretty clear: Empires can be made, it's all good.  But you can never seek to separate yourself from an empire as it's a cancer.

[Duque de Bragança]

It's a continuation of his discussion with Squeeze on the pros and cons of nationalism.

Yep, plus some perceived double standards about nationalism (good one and bad one) and minority language issues in Canada ("Speak White you Nazi frog" shenanigans).

[Malthus]

So, the problem is Ukraine's decision to leave the USSR in the early 1990s.  That was nationalism.  It means in your mind, there is never a valid justification for the independence of a country, only for the joining, willingly or not of two countries.

What the fuck?

And I ask that sincerely. 😄

According to Tyr, the problem is nationalism, which is a cancer.

Ukraine's decision to seek independence from Russia derives from nationalism, the formation of a distinct Ukrainian nationality, in their minds, from Russia's cultural hegemony.

The desire of the population is to seek trade alliances with the West, not with Russia.  If they were good slaves to the imperial regime of Russia, we wouldn't have a war: Ukraine's natural resources would belong to russian oligarchs, Ukrainians would serve in the Russian military, Ukraine would never have asked to trade with the EU, to join the EU, or open talks with NATO since there would have been no 2014 invasion.

I think Tyr's position is pretty clear: Empires can be made, it's all good.  But you can never seek to separate yourself from an empire as it's a cancer.

My bad, I thought your post was a response to my post; hence my confusion.

[The Minsky Moment]

What name is used for medieval Rurikid state in Kyiv? Still "Rus"?

[Duque de Bragança]

What name is used for medieval Rurikid state in Kyiv? Still "Rus"?

Or Rus', more and more.

Kievan is still used with it, however.

[Tamas]

I think the summary of Tyr's various opinions is that, Scotland should be free to have a referendum and declare independence, but, if England decided to take them back by force 30 years later, then Scotland should make sure to only talk about regular Englishmen with respect.

[Legbiter]

Wondering what the Russians do in 3 weeks or so when they've completely levelled all the cities in the south plus Kænugarðr, their army beat up and exhausted, and yet the Ukrainians refuse to capitulate? 

[crazy canuck]

I think the summary of Tyr's various opinions is that, Scotland should be free to have a referendum and declare independence, but, if England decided to take them back by force 30 years later, then Scotland should make sure to only talk about regular Englishmen with respect.

Perhaps another analogy for Tyr's position is if the US decided to invade England in order to protect English speakers through the historical justification that they are all one, it would be wrong of the English to point out that they are a separate nation.

[mongers]

Wondering what the Russians do in 3 weeks or so when they've completely levelled all the cities in the south plus Kænugarðr, their army beat up and exhausted, and yet the Ukrainians refuse to capitulate? 

Could well be 3 months or 3 years, not that I question the rate at which they're wreaking cities, just depends on when Russian military have had enough of Putin?

[The Larch]

Not a good time for far right populists in Europe, maybe a good side effect of this war?

Salvini goes to the Polish - Ukranian border and gets publicly ashamed by the local mayor, who brings up his pro-Putin stunts with a T-shirt with Putin's face that Salvini wore on a visit to Moscow years ago:





Video of the exchange, with Salvini getting berated by the Polish mayor ("No respect for you!") and then trying to get away from it when asked to condemn Putin's actions, only to be heckled by the Italian journalists gathered there: https://twitter.com/paologerbaudo/status/1501204201690513418

[Grey Fox]

Reports coming out that the Japanese are reasserting their claim on the Kurils. 

Far East armor seems to be on train going west. Take them back, Japan. Do it!

[celedhring]

Lend lease is gonna be really weird this time.

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