http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22624104
QuoteBBC poll: Germany most popular country in the world
Germany is the most positively viewed nation in the world in this year's annual Country Ratings Poll for the BBC World Service.
More than 26,000 people were surveyed internationally for the poll.
They were asked to rate 16 countries and the European Union on whether their influence in the world was "mainly positive" or "mainly negative".
Germany came out top, with 59% rating it positively. Iran was once again the most negatively viewed.
Global views of Europe's biggest country have improved significantly in 2013, according to the poll.
It was conducted for the BBC by GlobeScan and PIPA, who conducted face-to-face and telephone interviews with randomly selected people in 25 countries.
View of India deteriorates
A three-point increase in Germany's average rating returned it to the top of the BBC list, displacing Japan, which saw its positive ratings drop from 58% to 51%, and fell from first to fourth place overall.
The BBC's Stephen Evans in Berlin says the poll results may be a reward for diligent German diplomacy. Government ministers frequently tour countries with markets for German goods, or countries like Mongolia with raw materials for German products, he says.
There were high positive ratings for Germany in recession-hit Spain and France - though not in Greece - despite the well-publicised placards depicting Chancellor Angela Merkel as a Nazi, paraded during anti-austerity protests in Europe.
The UK saw a bigger increase in positive ratings than any other country and climbed to third place in the table, in the wake of its hosting of the 2012 Olympics.
The poll also indicates that positive views of China and India have fallen sharply around the world over the last year. After improving for several years, views of China have sunk to their lowest level since polling began in 2005, putting it in ninth position.
India is ranked 12th, with negative views (35%) slightly outnumbering positive ones (34%) for the first time.
But Germany, whose economy has done better than almost every other in Europe in recent years, scored well across the world.
In Ghana, 84% of people polled said Germany's influence was mainly positive, while 81% in neighbouring France and 76% in Australia felt the same. But in debt-laden Greece a majority of people polled gave Germany negative ratings.
Positive views of the EU dropped to their lowest level last year but have stabilised this year, rising one point to 49% on average.
But this figure masks significant changes. There has been a sharp drop in positive ratings by Germans, down 14 points to 59%. Canadians and Americans both give significantly lower ratings to the EU. In the UK, positive views of the EU continue to fall steadily and, for the first time this year, more Britons rate it negatively (47%) than positively (42%).
Israel, North Korea, Pakistan and Iran came out worst in terms of how they are viewed globally. Only 15% of respondents said they saw Iran as having a mainly positive influence.
Analysis
Stephen Evans BBC News, Berlin
Who can doubt that there'll be a little more spring in the step of Chancellor Merkel because of what the poll reveals about attitudes to Germany?
After a year when she has been depicted offensively on placards in a Nazi uniform, in protests from Athens to Madrid, it turns out that many admire the country.
And in surprising places. In Spain, the recipient of a bailout with tight German strings attached, 68% said they felt Germany had "a mainly positive influence in the world".
In Britain, it was even higher at 78%. In France 81% - the poll indicates that four in every five French people look over the border with approval!
Only Greece maintains its Germanophobia, with 52% giving a negative rating.
Will the poll matter? It might well. It may confirm German ministers in their belief that tough love is true friendship.
The poll results may also be a reward for diligent diplomacy. Government ministers frequently tour countries with markets for German goods (or countries like Mongolia with raw materials for German products). Political clout isn't the driving force - it's trade.
This may be why some African countries (which have close trading ties and which exchange ministerial visits with Berlin) are approving.
Ghanaians, for example, have a very favourable attitude toward Germany, with 84% approving. Germany has a very active trade presence in Ghana.
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See, what it does to you if you stop marching your armies through every border every 30 years or so?
I'm surprised Germany would outrank Canada. I assumed general Eurozone anger from the socialists over Germany being such a force behind the austerity measures in many countries would be enough to keep them from being at the top of such a poll. This kind of poll is really Canada's to lose, they are literally the least offensive country in the world by virtue of being the most boring. I mean who could seriously have any beef against Canada? Aside from the fact it's as obscure and irrelevant as San Marino or Liechtenstein, of the people that know Canada exists I think all would have benign views on it.
lol, -7 for the poor Japs. Hating on nuclear energy. What weenies.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 23, 2013, 07:30:19 AM
I'm surprised Germany would outrank Canada. I assumed general Eurozone anger from the socialists over Germany being such a force behind the austerity measures in many countries would be enough to keep them from being at the top of such a poll. This kind of poll is really Canada's to lose, they are literally the least offensive country in the world by virtue of being the most boring. I mean who could seriously have any beef against Canada? Aside from the fact it's as obscure and irrelevant as San Marino or Liechtenstein, of the people that know Canada exists I think all would have benign views on it.
O Canada! Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command,
Car ton bras sait porter l'épée,
Il sait porter la croix!
Ton histoire est une épopée
Des plus brillants exploits,
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
I've only ever been to Germany on a long weekend in Berlin, but I'd certainly like to see more of the country. Germans are probably the most British-like foreigners I've ever encountered, in terms of appearance and personality. And beer and kebab consumption.
Just can't get a grip on the language, though, think I first encountered it too late in life. Why don't you export some subtitled crime dramas to give me a start?
Oh, and having sworn to not mention the war, every old boy in the City came up to my dad and asked him if he'd been there during his national service :lol:
Quote from: Brazen on May 23, 2013, 09:45:39 AM
I've only ever been to Germany on a long weekend in Berlin, but I'd certainly like to see more of the country. Germans are probably the most British-like foreigners I've ever encountered, in terms of appearance and personality. And beer and kebab consumption.
Just can't get a grip on the language, though, think I first encountered it too late in life. Why don't you export some subtitled crime dramas to give me a start?
Germans do not seem to make many movies for export. The only one I recall that was NOT about Nazi Germany is Run, Lola, Run.
The Lives of Others is a great film.
How the fuck is China's overall rating positive?
Quote from: Gups on May 23, 2013, 10:00:59 AM
The Lives of Others is a great film.
Dang it I did enjoy that movie. How could I forget that one?
Outside the Eurozone, Germany's foreign policy is fairly uncontroversial. Trade is generally seen as a positive and our few military entanglements are always just as a junior partner to someone else (America, France, EU). Like OvB I would have expected that negative views in the Eurozone would have increased a lot and lowered our general approval level though.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 23, 2013, 10:03:45 AM
How the fuck is China's overall rating positive?
Outside of the West and Japan, I think they are pretty much liked. They are definitely much more popular in Africa than the US is.
Quote from: Martinus on May 23, 2013, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 23, 2013, 10:03:45 AM
How the fuck is China's overall rating positive?
Outside of the West and Japan, I think they are pretty much liked. They are definitely much more popular in Africa than the US is.
Yeah? I have not seen any regional breakdowns.
What is puzzling to me is why India is so disliked.
Imperial Germany. :wub:
Nazi Germany. :mellow:
Present day green sissy Germany. :glare:
Quote from: Brazen on May 23, 2013, 09:45:39 AM
I've only ever been to Germany on a long weekend in Berlin, but I'd certainly like to see more of the country. Germans are probably the most British-like foreigners I've ever encountered, in terms of appearance and personality. And beer and kebab consumption.
Just can't get a grip on the language, though, think I first encountered it too late in life. Why don't you export some subtitled crime dramas to give me a start?
A bit cold for my tastes but otherwise yeah the brief periods I've had in Germany have been pretty nice - particularly as a non-German speaker (outside of mild pleasantries).
Wow, Britain is popular. :blink:
Quote from: Tyr on May 23, 2013, 10:26:45 AM
Wow, Britain is popular. :blink:
Yep. People love Britain far more than Britain loves itself.
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2013, 10:23:08 AM
Yeah? I have not seen any regional breakdowns.
What is puzzling to me is why India is so disliked.
Lots of rape stories recently have marred India's reputation
I don't know about Britain. I love England.
Quote from: Tyr on May 23, 2013, 10:26:45 AM
Wow, Britain is popular. :blink:
Why wouldn't it be?
Quote from: garbon on May 23, 2013, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: Tyr on May 23, 2013, 10:26:45 AM
Wow, Britain is popular. :blink:
Why wouldn't it be?
Centuries of grasping imperialism, racism, and arrogance? I mean I do not hold it against them but it is sort of funny how few people still do.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 23, 2013, 07:30:19 AM
I mean who could seriously have any beef against Canada? Aside from the fact it's as obscure and irrelevant as San Marino or Liechtenstein, of the people that know Canada exists I think all would have benign views on it.
Once again American ignorance of the world around them is astounding.
Canada has taken a big hit in Europe over the years related to enviornmental issues. First we were big baddies because we cut down our trees. Then we were big baddies for hunting seals. Now we are big baddies because we are producing oil from the Oil Sands.
Now you can go back to your myopic view of the world.
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 23, 2013, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 23, 2013, 07:30:19 AM
I mean who could seriously have any beef against Canada? Aside from the fact it's as obscure and irrelevant as San Marino or Liechtenstein, of the people that know Canada exists I think all would have benign views on it.
Once again American ignorance of the world around them is astounding.
Canada has taken a big hit in Europe over the years related to enviornmental issues. First we were big baddies because we cut down our trees. Then we were big baddies for hunting seals. Now we are big baddies because we are producing oil from the Oil Sands.
Now you can go back to your myopic view of the world.
Welcome to the club.
Quote from: 11B4V on May 23, 2013, 11:11:47 AM
Welcome to the club.
Yeah, the surprising thing is that even after all the bad press we have recieved in Euroland we still rated so high.
I don't think many people are aware of Canada's alleged sins against greenery. Canada is more likely to be disliked due to Celine Dion and Justing Bieber They probably don't have much of a view one way or the other.
Quote from: Brazen on May 23, 2013, 09:50:16 AM
Oh, and having sworn to not mention the war, every old boy in the City came up to my dad and asked him if he'd been there during his national service :lol:
Our series get exported to the likes of China, Africa and the likes (Derrick, Alarm für Cobra 11, Der Alte, etc.).
No one who speaks German could be an evil man.
Quote from: DGuller on May 23, 2013, 11:30:57 AM
No one who speaks German could be an evil man.
Die, Guller, Die! :P
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 23, 2013, 10:47:13 AM
Once again American ignorance of the world around them is astounding.
Canada has taken a big hit in Europe over the years related to enviornmental issues. First we were big baddies because we cut down our trees. Then we were big baddies for hunting seals. Now we are big baddies because we are producing oil from the Oil Sands.
Now you can go back to your myopic view of the world.
It sounds like you're talking about a lot of issues that probably get a lot of press attention in Canada when very, very small numbers of people outside of Canada are upset about it but I'd wager 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the population of the rest of the world knows absolutely nothing about. Sort of like the big kerfluffle over the softwood lumber stuff, a technical trade dispute virtually no one in America knows about that the Canadians assume we cared about as much as they did. :huh:
Otto is evidently not very good with numbers.
For being the least offensive country in the world Canada sure fills Otto with rage.
Quote from: Jacob on May 23, 2013, 12:47:39 PM
Otto is evidently not very good with numbers.
Yeah, that was obviously a serious statistic I was presenting Jacob.
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2013, 12:52:45 PM
For being the least offensive country in the world Canada sure fills Otto with rage.
:huh: Saying that I'm surprised Canda
isn't the most popular country in the world, because they're so unoffensive, = filled with rage? Weird. What's filled with mirth look like?
Can-nada is a great place. Great people. Just swell all around.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 23, 2013, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2013, 12:52:45 PM
For being the least offensive country in the world Canada sure fills Otto with rage.
:huh: Saying that I'm surprised Canda isn't the most popular country in the world, because they're so unoffensive, = filled with rage? Weird. What's filled with mirth look like?
Saying that /= filled with rage.
Going on and on about it with increasingly absurd hyperbole? Sorta looks like it.
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2013, 01:41:40 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 23, 2013, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2013, 12:52:45 PM
For being the least offensive country in the world Canada sure fills Otto with rage.
:huh: Saying that I'm surprised Canda isn't the most popular country in the world, because they're so unoffensive, = filled with rage? Weird. What's filled with mirth look like?
Saying that /= filled with rage.
Going on and on about it with increasingly absurd hyperbole? Sorta looks like it.
You mean my first post and then another in response to someone making a ludicrous claim? Do you seriously think more than a small handful of people in Europe have any opinion at all on Canadian logging? :lmfao:
Plenty of gays in Europe.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 23, 2013, 01:54:26 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2013, 01:41:40 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 23, 2013, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2013, 12:52:45 PM
For being the least offensive country in the world Canada sure fills Otto with rage.
:huh: Saying that I'm surprised Canda isn't the most popular country in the world, because they're so unoffensive, = filled with rage? Weird. What's filled with mirth look like?
Saying that /= filled with rage.
Going on and on about it with increasingly absurd hyperbole? Sorta looks like it.
You mean my first post and then another in response to someone making a ludicrous claim? Do you seriously think more than a small handful of people in Europe have any opinion at all on Canadian logging? :lmfao:
Well there's some reason why 13% of people around the world have a negative view of Canada. CC's stated reasons (logging / seal clubbing / oil sands) sounds about as reasonable as any other reason.
I didn't know about the Canadian greenery sins. I think Canadians get so much hate because it is the land of the Quebecois, who are as annoying as the French, but without all the sophistication and culture.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 23, 2013, 01:54:26 PM
You mean my first post and then another in response to someone making a ludicrous claim? Do you seriously think more than a small handful of people in Europe have any opinion at all on Canadian logging? :lmfao:
Hmmm maybe I am confused here. I thought you had had similar posts in other threads going on about how insignificant Canada is.
Quote from: Barrister on May 23, 2013, 01:58:58 PM
Well there's some reason why 13% of people around the world have a negative view of Canada. CC's stated reasons (logging / seal clubbing / oil sands) sounds about as reasonable as any other reason.
They have been convinced by CC's posts demonstrating the barbarity of Ice Hockey.
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2013, 01:59:32 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 23, 2013, 01:54:26 PM
You mean my first post and then another in response to someone making a ludicrous claim? Do you seriously think more than a small handful of people in Europe have any opinion at all on Canadian logging? :lmfao:
Hmmm maybe I am confused here. I thought you had had similar posts in other threads going on about how insignificant Canada is.
Canada is a frequent trolling topic for Otto.
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2013, 02:00:13 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 23, 2013, 01:58:58 PM
Well there's some reason why 13% of people around the world have a negative view of Canada. CC's stated reasons (logging / seal clubbing / oil sands) sounds about as reasonable as any other reason.
They have been convinced by CC's posts demonstrating the barbarity of Ice Hockey.
:mad:
It's a sport of refinement and civility! :bash:
Just cause OvB's claiming that the percentage of people that are aware of any Canadian diplomatic issues would require a world population approaching the number of atoms in the universe is no reason to jump on his case.
Quote from: Martinus on May 23, 2013, 01:59:15 PM
I didn't know about the Canadian greenery sins. I think Canadians get so much hate because it is the land of the Quebecois, who are as annoying as the French, but without all the sophistication and culture.
WE DO OUR PART.
Quote from: Martinus on May 23, 2013, 01:59:15 PM
I didn't know about the Canadian greenery sins. I think Canadians get so much hate because it is the land of the Quebecois, who are as annoying as the French, but without all the sophistication and culture.
Hard to say for sure without more numbers, but I suspect most of the Canada-hate in the survey was general anti-Western sentiment.
If the poll was an EU poll as it appears to be I'd guess the 15% who view Iran positively are the 15% who view Canada and probably every other Western nation negatively. Probably Muslim immigrants who hate all States that aren't governed by Muslims.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 23, 2013, 12:20:40 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 23, 2013, 10:47:13 AM
Once again American ignorance of the world around them is astounding.
Canada has taken a big hit in Europe over the years related to enviornmental issues. First we were big baddies because we cut down our trees. Then we were big baddies for hunting seals. Now we are big baddies because we are producing oil from the Oil Sands.
Now you can go back to your myopic view of the world.
It sounds like you're talking about a lot of issues that probably get a lot of press attention in Canada
Actually, wrong again. We find out about it when people start doing silly things like instuting trade sanctions and so forth against us and then we find out the basis is the kind of things I referred to. You are correct that we should be more proactive about such things. But that is all you are correct about.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 23, 2013, 07:30:19 AM
I'm surprised Germany would outrank Canada.
Unlimited. Speed. Limits.
That's what it takes to take the #1 spot. How can anyone resist this? When people speak of Germany, they don't talk about the nude beaches, it's warm climate or the quality of its sausages. No, they talk about these authobahns and their unilimited speed limits. They speak of the Oktoberfest too, but we got similar events all accross Quebec, so it can't be that ;)
Quote from: Martinus on May 23, 2013, 01:59:15 PM
I didn't know about the Canadian greenery sins. I think Canadians get so much hate because it is the land of the Quebecois, who are as annoying as the French, but without all the sophistication and culture.
Until they get to an internet forum with a politics section, 99,99% of the world's population outside of France, Belgium and Switzerland have no idea what Quebec is, let alone the language we speak.
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2013, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 23, 2013, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: Tyr on May 23, 2013, 10:26:45 AM
Wow, Britain is popular. :blink:
Why wouldn't it be?
Centuries of grasping imperialism, racism, and arrogance? I mean I do not hold it against them but it is sort of funny how few people still do.
You say this in a thread in which the topic is that
Germany is now the most popular country in the world? ;)
Quote from: Martinus on May 23, 2013, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 23, 2013, 10:03:45 AM
How the fuck is China's overall rating positive?
Outside of the West and Japan, I think they are pretty much liked. They are definitely much more popular in Africa than the US is.
China is not liked in Vietnam, the Philippines, or Korea either.
Quote from: viper37 on May 23, 2013, 03:56:46 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 23, 2013, 07:30:19 AM
I'm surprised Germany would outrank Canada.
Unlimited. Speed. Limits.
That's what it takes to take the #1 spot. How can anyone resist this? When people speak of Germany, they don't talk about the nude beaches, it's warm climate or the quality of its sausages. No, they talk about these authobahns and their unilimited speed limits. They speak of the Oktoberfest too, but we got similar events all accross Quebec, so it can't be that ;)
Autobahn was very disappointing. Sure there is no speed limit, but it is so congested that you could hardly just let 'er rip. :(
I rode on the autobahn doing about 140 mph.
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 23, 2013, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 23, 2013, 12:20:40 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 23, 2013, 10:47:13 AM
Once again American ignorance of the world around them is astounding.
Canada has taken a big hit in Europe over the years related to enviornmental issues. First we were big baddies because we cut down our trees. Then we were big baddies for hunting seals. Now we are big baddies because we are producing oil from the Oil Sands.
Now you can go back to your myopic view of the world.
It sounds like you're talking about a lot of issues that probably get a lot of press attention in Canada
Actually, wrong again. We find out about it when people start doing silly things like instuting trade sanctions and so forth against us and then we find out the basis is the kind of things I referred to. You are correct that we should be more proactive about such things. But that is all you are correct about.
I don't know. I mean apparently according to wiki my government has been caring about things regarding softwood and Canada but I bet if a poll was taken around the US, there wouldn't be that many people aware of that / view Canada negatively because of it.
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 23, 2013, 10:47:13 AM
Canada has taken a big hit in Europe over the years related to enviornmental issues. First we were big baddies because we cut down our trees. Then we were big baddies for hunting seals. Now we are big baddies because we are producing oil from the Oil Sands.
Don't forget missing the Kyoto emissions reduction metrics as well. Nice effort there of showing no effort.
Quote from: Gups on May 23, 2013, 11:18:23 AM
I don't think many people are aware of Canada's alleged sins against greenery. Canada is more likely to be disliked due to Celine Dion and Justing Bieber They probably don't have much of a view one way or the other.
You challenge CC's myopic view of the world. I suggest that now you can go back to your myopic view of the world.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 23, 2013, 06:08:25 PM
Quote from: Martinus on May 23, 2013, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 23, 2013, 10:03:45 AM
How the fuck is China's overall rating positive?
Outside of the West and Japan, I think they are pretty much liked. They are definitely much more popular in Africa than the US is.
China is not liked in Vietnam, the Philippines, or Korea either.
Nor India, Thailand, Kazakhstan, nor Russia.
China seems fairly popular in the Middle East and South America as well as, as has been noted, Africa. The further from China you get, the more positive the view. Especially if you have resources they desire to lock down for the long term (but don't claim as their own possessions).
Sure.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 23, 2013, 08:03:48 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 23, 2013, 10:47:13 AM
Canada has taken a big hit in Europe over the years related to enviornmental issues. First we were big baddies because we cut down our trees. Then we were big baddies for hunting seals. Now we are big baddies because we are producing oil from the Oil Sands.
Don't forget missing the Kyoto emissions reduction metrics as well. Nice effort there of showing no effort.
Yeah, I forgot to add that part. Funny how you know stuff you shouldnt know.
Quote from: Malthus on May 23, 2013, 05:23:12 PM
You say this in a thread in which the topic is that Germany is now the most popular country in the world? ;)
Well to be fair Germany did not do nearly as much of that outside of their own continent :P
Quote from: Brazen on May 23, 2013, 09:45:39 AM
I've only ever been to Germany on a long weekend in Berlin, but I'd certainly like to see more of the country. Germans are probably the most British-like foreigners I've ever encountered, in terms of appearance and personality. And beer and kebab consumption.
Yep. I love the Germans and the bits of Germany I've been to. They're up there with Scandinavians and the Dutch.
QuoteJust can't get a grip on the language, though, think I first encountered it too late in life. Why don't you export some subtitled crime dramas to give me a start?
Again, exactly the same. I learned French (badly) at school and have an idea of Romance languages, I can move my mouth around them and even try the odd bit of Arabic in Morocco. German is, for some reason, just impossible.
And I've often wondered where the German TV is on BBC4 :mellow: :huh:
QuoteLike OvB I would have expected that negative views in the Eurozone would have increased a lot and lowered our general approval level though.
Actually I think most people look at Cameron, Hollande, Rajoy or whoever and then admire Merkel. You may disagree with her but she's competent at least.
QuoteThey are definitely much more popular in Africa than the US is.
What are you basing this on? It goes against a lot I've read :mellow:
I love Canadians too.
I'd like to see some figures on Australia <_<
Quote from: Valmy on May 23, 2013, 10:27:35 AM
Quote from: Tyr on May 23, 2013, 10:26:45 AM
Wow, Britain is popular. :blink:
Yep. People love Britain far more than Britain loves itself.
Nobody hates Britain ore than Tyr does. He'll never forgive them for not mining enough coal.
My theory is that there is such a thing as a "North-West European", which would be the UK, Ireland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, the Flemish bits of Belgium and the northern 2/3 of Germany. Anywhere in that area feels like home but with pleasing variations :cool:
The British may well be the biggest asshats in that area, but after all, it's a tough group :D
Does that mean the Irish are honorary Protestants? :hmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 30, 2013, 06:16:58 AM
Does that mean the Irish are honorary Protestants? :hmm:
Well the Flems and alot of the Germans are Catholics as well :contract:
Spent five years in Germany. Particularly liked the areas around Weingarten and Wildflecken. Nice scenic areas.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 30, 2013, 06:16:58 AM
Does that mean the Irish are honorary Protestants? :hmm:
Some of us are more than honourary Protestants. :mad:
Didn't say nothin' 'bout no Russians.