Poll
Question:
Which Captain/1st Officer team do you want to serve under
Option 1: James T. Kirk/Spock
votes: 8
Option 2: Jean-Luc Picard/William T. Riker
votes: 31
Option 3: Benjamin L. Sisko/Kira Nerys
votes: 11
Option 4: Katherine Janeway/Chakotay
votes: 6
Option 5: Jonathan Archer/T'Pol
votes: 1
Which Captain do you want to serve under?
EDIT: Dammit, why can't we edit polls!? :mad:
This forum punishes bad spelling.
It's just a transposed letter, I spelled Captain correctly twice in the same post!
Somebody voted for Janeway. :huh:
Bitches represent - and now there are two. :punk:
Lol.
I voted Sisko, but I didn't read it carefully. Whom would I want to serve under? Probably Picard. That ship wasn't in the shit, most of the time. Whereas if I choose Sisko, I likely die in the war. (If I choose Janeway, I likely die horribly.)
What little ground Kirk loses with to Picard, Spock totally makes up for in smoking Riker. I would feel confident in that leadership dynamic.
The rest are posers. Except Janeway. She was cool as all balls.
Kirk, because you know he'd be down to run train on some green-skinned slut with big ol' titties from Omicron V with me.
Quote from: Ideologue on January 07, 2013, 11:06:54 PM
Probably Picard. That ship wasn't in the shit, most of the time.
Never understood why a ship like that--a warship with research functions, not vice versa, and sent off to the far corners of the universe, alone--would have families on board. Talk about a fleet going soft.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:08:40 PM
The rest are posers. Except Janeway. She was cool as all balls.
And because it is so lovely.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/392202_329627970399996_573988525_n.jpg)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:10:52 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 07, 2013, 11:06:54 PM
Probably Picard. That ship wasn't in the shit, most of the time.
Never understood why a ship like that--a warship with research functions, not vice versa, and sent off to the far corners of the universe, alone--would have families on board. Talk about a fleet going soft.
It wasn't supposed to be a warship, though. DS9 makes clear that the
Defiant-class was the first true warship Starfleet ever built.
Quote from: garbon on January 07, 2013, 11:12:51 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:08:40 PM
The rest are posers. Except Janeway. She was cool as all balls.
And because it is so lovely.
*snip*
Yeah, wouldn't have had a problem working for her. I prefer competence over gender.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:10:52 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 07, 2013, 11:06:54 PM
Probably Picard. That ship wasn't in the shit, most of the time.
Never understood why a ship like that--a warship with research functions, not vice versa, and sent off to the far corners of the universe, alone--would have families on board. Talk about a fleet going soft.
I was talking Trek once and came up with the idea that a starship--being heavily armed and mobile--may be the safest place in the universe, given that all of the Federation's enemies have access to weapons that can kill a planet, and one of the most important of them also has cloaking devices that would permit them to attack without warning.
I mean, where would you rather your family have been during
Fail Safe? In the B-58, or in New York City?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:10:52 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 07, 2013, 11:06:54 PM
Probably Picard. That ship wasn't in the shit, most of the time.
Never understood why a ship like that--a warship with research functions, not vice versa, and sent off to the far corners of the universe, alone--would have families on board. Talk about a fleet going soft.
See, but it was a research ship with guns. The fact that the Enterprise was so powerful was a function of the superior technology of Starfleet.
And also, because Gene Roddenberry was a hippie.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on January 07, 2013, 11:13:04 PM
It wasn't supposed to be a warship, though. DS9 makes clear that the Defiant-class was the first true warship Starfleet ever built.
DS9 is
ad hoc lore rewriting bullshit.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 07, 2013, 11:12:51 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:08:40 PM
The rest are posers. Except Janeway. She was cool as all balls.
And because it is so lovely.
*snip*
Yeah, wouldn't have had a problem working for her. I prefer competence over gender.
Yeah, she would have sacrificed you to save her holographic masturbatory aid.
Went picard becasue i'd be more likely to survive. Plus, a french man with an english accent? That means we won the future.
picard would be the best to have as your boss.
kirk would probally be the worst, he'd be a horrible person to serve under
Quote from: Neil on January 07, 2013, 11:18:09 PM
See, but it was a research ship with guns. The fact that the Enterprise was so powerful was a function of the superior technology of Starfleet.
And also, because Gene Roddenberry was a hippie.
All previous Enterprises still didn't have families on board. Miniskirts, yeah. Families with children, no. That's simple negligence.
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:20:04 PM
Went picard becasue i'd be more likely to survive. Plus, a french man with an english accent? That means we won the future.
And here I thought you were throwing in for Whoopi.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on January 07, 2013, 11:13:04 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:10:52 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 07, 2013, 11:06:54 PM
Probably Picard. That ship wasn't in the shit, most of the time.
Never understood why a ship like that--a warship with research functions, not vice versa, and sent off to the far corners of the universe, alone--would have families on board. Talk about a fleet going soft.
It wasn't supposed to be a warship, though. DS9 makes clear that the Defiant-class was the first true warship Starfleet ever built.
But it's bullshit, since they fought wars with their ships.
See also, and especially, Yesterday's Enterprise--the one with the alternate reality where they've been at war with the Klingons for twenty years. Is the Enterprise-D any different? Well, it's badly lit. That's the distinction between warship and explorer in the Trek universe: fewer fluorescent light bulbs.
Quote from: garbon on January 07, 2013, 11:23:20 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:20:04 PM
Went picard becasue i'd be more likely to survive. Plus, a french man with an english accent? That means we won the future.
And here I thought you were throwing in for Whoopi.
God she was an annoying know it all, wasn't she?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:20:53 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 07, 2013, 11:18:09 PM
See, but it was a research ship with guns. The fact that the Enterprise was so powerful was a function of the superior technology of Starfleet.
And also, because Gene Roddenberry was a hippie.
All previous Enterprises still didn't have families on board. Miniskirts, yeah. Families with children, no. That's simple negligence.
New York, then. Bad choice.
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:24:19 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 07, 2013, 11:23:20 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:20:04 PM
Went picard becasue i'd be more likely to survive. Plus, a french man with an english accent? That means we won the future.
And here I thought you were throwing in for Whoopi.
God she was an annoying know it all, wasn't she?
Between Sister Act and Reading Rainbow, I honestly didn't know what to make of Next Generations as a kid. :D
Quote from: Ideologue on January 07, 2013, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:20:53 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 07, 2013, 11:18:09 PM
See, but it was a research ship with guns. The fact that the Enterprise was so powerful was a function of the superior technology of Starfleet.
And also, because Gene Roddenberry was a hippie.
All previous Enterprises still didn't have families on board. Miniskirts, yeah. Families with children, no. That's simple negligence.
New York, then. Bad choice.
Back in reality, not so much. :)
Quote from: garbon on January 07, 2013, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:24:19 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 07, 2013, 11:23:20 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:20:04 PM
Went picard becasue i'd be more likely to survive. Plus, a french man with an english accent? That means we won the future.
And here I thought you were throwing in for Whoopi.
God she was an annoying know it all, wasn't she?
Between Sister Act and Reading Rainbow, I honestly didn't know what to make of Next Generations as a kid. :D
for the longest time i though levar burton was actually blind :blush:
Quote from: garbon on January 07, 2013, 11:26:18 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 07, 2013, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:20:53 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 07, 2013, 11:18:09 PM
See, but it was a research ship with guns. The fact that the Enterprise was so powerful was a function of the superior technology of Starfleet.
And also, because Gene Roddenberry was a hippie.
All previous Enterprises still didn't have families on board. Miniskirts, yeah. Families with children, no. That's simple negligence.
New York, then. Bad choice.
Back in reality, not so much. :)
:)
Though I make more, adjusted for PPP, than I would in NYC doing the same job. No shit. That market is dead. Doesn't affect you, I'm just saying.
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:26:42 PM
for the longest time i though levar burton was actually blind :blush:
On behalf of the generation that still remembers Roots, :bleeding:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:26:42 PM
for the longest time i though levar burton was actually blind :blush:
On behalf of the generation that still remembers Roots, :bleeding:
Just to make you feel old: i was 3 when TNG came out :D
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:20:53 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 07, 2013, 11:18:09 PM
See, but it was a research ship with guns. The fact that the Enterprise was so powerful was a function of the superior technology of Starfleet.
And also, because Gene Roddenberry was a hippie.
All previous Enterprises still didn't have families on board. Miniskirts, yeah. Families with children, no. That's simple negligence.
The previous Enterprises were from Cold War land, where there was danger in the galaxy. In Picard's time, the Romulans were in hiding and the Klingons were defeated and allied to the Federation. It had been decades since they fought the Cardassians. They had gone soft.
Quote from: Ideologue on January 07, 2013, 11:27:51 PM
:)
Though I make more, adjusted for PPP, than I would in NYC doing the same job. No shit. That market is dead. Doesn't affect you, I'm just saying.
Oh it it totally over-saturated but then living in New York isn't about achieving the best quality of living.
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:32:01 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:26:42 PM
for the longest time i though levar burton was actually blind :blush:
On behalf of the generation that still remembers Roots, :bleeding:
Just to make you feel old: i was 3 when TNG came out :D
You're basically my age? :o
Quote from: garbon on January 07, 2013, 11:40:19 PM
Oh it it totally over-saturated but then living in New York isn't about achieving the best quality of living.
Yeah, the point of living in New York is Living In New York.
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:26:42 PM
for the longest time i though levar burton was actually blind :blush:
On behalf of the generation that still remembers Roots, :bleeding:
Just to make you feel old: i was 3 when TNG came out :D
You're basically my age? :o
i think you, Grey Fox, and myself are all the same age.
16?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:42:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 07, 2013, 11:40:19 PM
Oh it it totally over-saturated but then living in New York isn't about achieving the best quality of living.
Yeah, the point of living in New York is Living In New York.
Indeed.
@HVC - And we're all in such different life places!
Quote from: garbon on January 07, 2013, 11:55:03 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:42:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 07, 2013, 11:40:19 PM
Oh it it totally over-saturated but then living in New York isn't about achieving the best quality of living.
Yeah, the point of living in New York is Living In New York.
Indeed.
@HVC - And we're all in such different life places!
You're traveling the world and living in new York so you win :lol: . Depending on how you consider kids and a family then I'm either second or third :D
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 07, 2013, 11:46:54 PM
16?
you're as good at math as Timmy is at spelling... And that means a lot coming from the second worst speller on languish :D
Picard is clearly the best with Kirk a moderate second and Sisko a distant third. Archer and Janeway don't even make the scale.
Jean Luc Picard is a renaissance man... Captain, archaeologist, Shakespearean actor, legal advocate, wine connoisseur, barroom brawler (albeit a bad one)... all that and he's a better pilot than Riker too.
Quote from: PRC on January 08, 2013, 12:14:24 AM
Picard is clearly the best with Kirk a moderate second and Sisko a distant third. Archer and Janeway don't even make the scale.
Jean Luc Picard is a renaissance man... Captain, archaeologist, Shakespearean actor, legal advocate, wine connoisseur, barroom brawler (albeit a bad one)... all that and he's a better pilot than Riker too.
Yes but the question includes the 1st officer as a leadership combo. In that respect, Spock is a major force multiplier over Riker.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 08, 2013, 12:16:15 AM
Quote from: PRC on January 08, 2013, 12:14:24 AM
Picard is clearly the best with Kirk a moderate second and Sisko a distant third. Archer and Janeway don't even make the scale.
Jean Luc Picard is a renaissance man... Captain, archaeologist, Shakespearean actor, legal advocate, wine connoisseur, barroom brawler (albeit a bad one)... all that and he's a better pilot than Riker too.
Yes but the question includes the 1st officer as a leadership combo. In that respect, Spock is a major force multiplier over Riker.
Shaved or bearded?
I don't know, what's Picard got over Sisko?
Let's see:
James T. Kirk/Spock - gung ho leader, likely to shoot first and ask later; might get you killed if a redshirt
Jean-Luc Picard/William T. Riker - Riker's a douche, but Picard is a good, levelheaded leader who genuinely cares about the folks under his command
Benjamin L. Sisko/Kira Nerys - competent combat leader, but he's likely to get you into situations that might kill you
Katherine Janeway/Chakotay - stranded her crew 70k ly from home due to incompetence, irrational and changing her stances all the time
Jonathan Archer/T'Pol - bumbling and incompetent
I'll take Picard any time.
Quote from: Faeelin on January 08, 2013, 12:26:19 AM
I don't know, what's Picard got over Sisko?
A roaming command rather than dull guard duty.
Quote from: Syt on January 08, 2013, 12:29:01 AM
Katherine Janeway/Chakotay - stranded her crew 70k ly from home due to incompetence, irrational and changing her stances all the time
It's called being flexible. :angry:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 08, 2013, 12:16:15 AM
Quote from: PRC on January 08, 2013, 12:14:24 AM
Picard is clearly the best with Kirk a moderate second and Sisko a distant third. Archer and Janeway don't even make the scale.
Jean Luc Picard is a renaissance man... Captain, archaeologist, Shakespearean actor, legal advocate, wine connoisseur, barroom brawler (albeit a bad one)... all that and he's a better pilot than Riker too.
Yes but the question includes the 1st officer as a leadership combo. In that respect, Spock is a major force multiplier over Riker.
It's a good point.
Riker makes women and androgyns wet and he's also a good poker player.
Spock needs to get laid once every seven years and to make it happen someone usually has to die. That's a plus for him.
Spock is a great first officer but does the crew trust him? McCoy constantly curses him out in front of all the senior staff. Riker has his ships trust.
Quote from: Syt on January 08, 2013, 12:29:01 AM
Let's see:
James T. Kirk/Spock - gung ho leader, likely to shoot first and ask later; might get you killed if a redshirt
Jean-Luc Picard/William T. Riker - Riker's a douche, but Picard is a good, levelheaded leader who genuinely cares about the folks under his command
I'll take Picard any time.
Picard was way too strict on the prime directive. If there were no loopholes available he was fine looking the other way on genocide on a planetary scale. Kirk wouldn't stand for that shit.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 08, 2013, 01:23:19 AMPicard was way too strict on the prime directive. If there were no loopholes available he was fine looking the other way on genocide on a planetary scale. Kirk wouldn't stand for that shit.
He was not as fundamentalist about it as Janeway. Picard followed the letter and spirit of the law whenever he could and didn't forget about the big picture (would this cause a major diplomatic incident that may make things worse than they are?).
Quote from: PRC on January 08, 2013, 12:38:10 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 08, 2013, 12:16:15 AM
Quote from: PRC on January 08, 2013, 12:14:24 AM
Picard is clearly the best with Kirk a moderate second and Sisko a distant third. Archer and Janeway don't even make the scale.
Jean Luc Picard is a renaissance man... Captain, archaeologist, Shakespearean actor, legal advocate, wine connoisseur, barroom brawler (albeit a bad one)... all that and he's a better pilot than Riker too.
Yes but the question includes the 1st officer as a leadership combo. In that respect, Spock is a major force multiplier over Riker.
It's a good point.
Riker makes women and androgyns wet and he's also a good poker player.
Spock needs to get laid once every seven years and to make it happen someone usually has to die. That's a plus for him.
Spock is a great first officer but does the crew trust him? McCoy constantly curses him out in front of all the senior staff. Riker has his ships trust.
That Riker character was ridicoulously cheesy. Or at least the choice of actor was.
Yet I'll go with Picard
Sisko.
Sisko would be my first choice, but you had to throw in Kira with him. She's an unstable loose cannon likely to get me killed.
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:32:01 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:26:42 PM
for the longest time i though levar burton was actually blind :blush:
On behalf of the generation that still remembers Roots, :bleeding:
Just to make you feel old: i was 3 when TNG came out :D
Didn't you watch Reading Rainbow?
Quote from: Ideologue on January 07, 2013, 11:18:03 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:10:52 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 07, 2013, 11:06:54 PM
Probably Picard. That ship wasn't in the shit, most of the time.
Never understood why a ship like that--a warship with research functions, not vice versa, and sent off to the far corners of the universe, alone--would have families on board. Talk about a fleet going soft.
I was talking Trek once and came up with the idea that a starship--being heavily armed and mobile--may be the safest place in the universe, given that all of the Federation's enemies have access to weapons that can kill a planet, and one of the most important of them also has cloaking devices that would permit them to attack without warning.
I mean, where would you rather your family have been during Fail Safe? In the B-58, or in New York City?
You know those planes weren't going to make it back right? Fuck, they'd be lucky if they didn't nuke themselves. Apparently the airforce found it had a bunch of "time over" events, where planes suppose to be over a target when another bomb went off.
Quote from: katmai on January 08, 2013, 03:01:23 AM
Sisko.
The guy who will volunteer his crew for suicide missions? :P
He's the most badass, but not the one I'd want to serve under for a long, prosperous career. :P
Though for career stability, Janeway might be best: seven years marooned in space and Harry Kim is still an ensign. :lol:
Quote from: Syt on January 08, 2013, 03:39:16 AM
Though for career stability, Janeway might be best: seven years marooned in space and Harry Kim is still an ensign. :lol:
bamboo ceiling
A hard choice between the Picard/Riker and Kirk/Spock combinations; finally decided the Enterprise-D had better facilities and used that as the tie breaker. :bowler:
I think the people who would prefer to serve under Janeway need psychiatric help. :P
Quote from: garbon on January 07, 2013, 11:06:04 PM
Bitches represent - and now there are two. :punk:
Now 4. :)
Quote from: garbon on January 07, 2013, 11:55:03 PM
@HVC - And we're all in such different life places!
That quite scary to think about, eh.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on January 07, 2013, 11:13:04 PM
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Quote from: Ideologue on January 07, 2013, 11:06:54 PM
Probably Picard. That ship wasn't in the shit, most of the time.
Never understood why a ship like that--a warship with research functions, not vice versa, and sent off to the far corners of the universe, alone--would have families on board. Talk about a fleet going soft.
It wasn't supposed to be a warship, though. DS9 makes clear that the Defiant-class was the first true warship Starfleet ever built.
meh, a mere White Star 1 wannabe, just like DS9 is a Bab5 wannabe.
Quote from: garbon on January 08, 2013, 12:33:57 AM
Quote from: Syt on January 08, 2013, 12:29:01 AM
Katherine Janeway/Chakotay - stranded her crew 70k ly from home due to incompetence, irrational and changing her stances all the time
It's called being flexible. :angry:
There's a reason that she got 'promoted' up from starship command.
Quote from: Viking on January 08, 2013, 08:26:31 AM
meh, a mere White Star 1 wannabe, just like DS9 is a Bab5 wannabe.
I've watched both, and while there are similarities, the story arcs are rather different.
Why'd you stick it to Kira, anyway? Once Worf showed up on the scene, he took a lot more watches commanding the Defiant.
Also, saying that the Defiant was the first battleship is just wrong. It was the first battleship designed to combat the Borg, and it's the first Federation ship to have a cloaking device. In Star Trek III, the Enterprise is clearly referred to as a battlecruiser. Also, even in DS9, the Lakota's obviously been set up as a battleship, and it's a much older ship than the Defiant.
I went for Sisko, BTW. For shiggles.
But isn't it referred to as a battlecruiser by the Klingons? That doesn't count.
Kira was the station's first officer, and DS9 was Sisko's command for the majority of the series.
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:32:01 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2013, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:26:42 PM
for the longest time i though levar burton was actually blind :blush:
On behalf of the generation that still remembers Roots, :bleeding:
Just to make you feel old: i was 3 when TNG came out :D
I was finishing off university. :mad:
I'm with Age on this. In the end, its seems as though Picard's Enterprise was a fun place to be. Poker games all the time. Holodecks, where anything can happen, :perv: 10 Forward never seemed to run out of synthahol; and even Data got laid. Not to mention--who wouldn't mind an annual physical from Doctor Crusher.
Tough choice, I voted Picard/Riker. I like Picard over Kirk but like Spock much better than Riker. :nerd:
All the touchy feely empathy crap under Picard/Riker would drive me nuts. Vote Kirk/Spock.
I've always thought that people who mock the Enterprise as an exploration vessel are missing the point. There's some Weimar shenanigans going on here. "It's a vessel of peace" right up until it takes out several warbirds.
The poll right now looks like its flipping the bird at us, with Picard winning of course.
With just one episode, Captain Garret of the Enterprise-C is far better than Janeway, insofar as female captains go.
But then there is certain death there. :P
Wasn't that the episode with Shooter McGavin?
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Quote from: HVC on January 07, 2013, 11:26:42 PM
for the longest time i though levar burton was actually blind :blush:
On behalf of the generation that still remembers Roots, :bleeding:
Just to make you feel old: i was 3 when TNG came out :D
I was finishing off university. :mad:
I was just shy of 2 years old. :D
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 08, 2013, 06:55:37 PM
Wasn't that the episode with Shooter McGavin?
Yes, it seems so. In fact, I think he was filling the First Officer role in to dead man's boots.
Quote from: KRonn on January 08, 2013, 01:38:24 PM
Tough choice, I voted Picard/Riker. I like Picard over Kirk but like Spock much better than Riker. :nerd:
Same. but Sisko/Worf are up their for me.
Quote from: Viking on January 08, 2013, 08:26:31 AM
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Quote from: Ideologue on January 07, 2013, 11:06:54 PM
Probably Picard. That ship wasn't in the shit, most of the time.
Never understood why a ship like that--a warship with research functions, not vice versa, and sent off to the far corners of the universe, alone--would have families on board. Talk about a fleet going soft.
It wasn't supposed to be a warship, though. DS9 makes clear that the Defiant-class was the first true warship Starfleet ever built.
meh, a mere White Star 1 wannabe, just like DS9 is a Bab5 wannabe.
I don't
think DS9 wanted to be watchable but weak.
Quote from: Ideologue on January 07, 2013, 11:24:14 PM
But it's bullshit, since they fought wars with their ships.
See also, and especially, Yesterday's Enterprise--the one with the alternate reality where they've been at war with the Klingons for twenty years. Is the Enterprise-D any different? Well, it's badly lit. That's the distinction between warship and explorer in the Trek universe: fewer fluorescent light bulbs.
A warship is a ship designed exclusively or primarily for combat, not any ship with weapons. Starfleet ships are (supposedly) not designed primarily for combat, and are thus not warships. This does not mean that they cannot use their ships to fight. That Starfleet has no warships is suspect, but as others mentioned Roddenberry was a hippie idealist.
The
Defiant had no purpose beyond blowing shit up and giving the crew of DS9 an excuse to leave the station for plot purposes.
Quote from: Viking on January 08, 2013, 08:26:31 AM
meh, a mere White Star 1 wannabe, just like DS9 is a Bab5 wannabe.
I'm not defending the show, just saying what was stated on it. :P
Nobody wants to serve under her?
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Sharp knees.
She's got a weird belly button. That rules her out by Internet standards :P
Speaking of STNG...(well some of us were)...came across this ineresting (to me) article about The GAme, remember that addictive game that Riker brought on board? (some of you might)
http://gameological.com/2013/01/games-go-to-hollywood-star-trek-the-next-generation-the-game/
I hated that episode.
Indeed. Wesley. :yucky:
Wesley, or Wussley as we called him in my dorm common room, was terrible...BUT we absolutely refused to watch any episode that had Worf's son. Troy's mother was also hit and miss.
In fact, it dawns on me now, that much as I look back fondly to STNG, there were a lot of shit episodes.
I've been wanting to go through netfux and pick out a few episode. But I keep going to crackle to watch the Prisoner instead.
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Nobody wants to serve under her?
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Quote from: Josephus on January 09, 2013, 06:21:40 PM
Wesley, or Wussley as we called him in my dorm common room, was terrible...BUT we absolutely refused to watch any episode that had Worf's son. Troy's mother was also hit and miss.
In fact, it dawns on me now, that much as I look back fondly to STNG, there were a lot of shit episodes.
What about the one where Worf killed Duras?
Troi's mom was poisoned by her DS9 appearances. So bad.
A lot of those Klingon High Council ones were lame. To me, STNG succeeded in telling good sci fi stories....off the top of my head:
The one when Beverley was left alone in the shrinking Enterprise
The one when Picard spent an entire lifetime on a planet.
Just two examples of some of the ones I liked. I liked the Holodeck ones as diversions and all the Borg ones as well.
Quote from: Josephus on January 10, 2013, 03:16:24 PM
The one when Picard spent an entire lifetime on a planet.
Which won a HUGO Award, no less.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 09, 2013, 06:24:02 PM
I've been wanting to go through netfux and pick out a few episode. But I keep going to crackle to watch the Prisoner instead.
Q Who, and the The Best of Both Worlds I & II are great.
Quote from: Josephus on January 10, 2013, 03:16:24 PM
A lot of those Klingon High Council ones were lame. To me, STNG succeeded in telling good sci fi stories....off the top of my head:
The one when Beverley was left alone in the shrinking Enterprise
The one when Picard spent an entire lifetime on a planet.
Just two examples of some of the ones I liked. I liked the Holodeck ones as diversions and all the Borg ones as well.
The one with Dr. Crusher was one of my all-time favorites. They took a character that is generally supporting, and moved her front and centre for a story, and it really worked rather well.
I think TNG had its best run from seasons 3 through 5, with some great ones in 6/7, but I found the last two seasons were a bit heavy on the Worf soap opera and Data Pinocchio arc.
When Netflix Canada first started showing TNG I started trying to watch in order.
But season one is pretty... blah...
Season One, seemed to carry over the same campy feeling from the original. As Syt, said it probably took around two seasons to really get going, although it had that abberation when the annoying doctor took over for Crusher.
Quote from: Josephus on January 10, 2013, 05:30:44 PM
Season One, seemed to carry over the same campy feeling from the original. As Syt, said it probably took around two seasons to really get going, although it had that abberation when the annoying doctor took over for Crusher.
I think Dr Pulaski was a better character than Dr. Crusher...mostly only lacking in not being a MILFy redhead.
Though the one-episode Caliga-approved Vulcan from Season-two's "The Schizoid Man" should have been made a regular. The same actress later played Worf's on-off love interest, but she made a HOTTer Vulcan.
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 10, 2013, 05:44:15 PM
Quote from: Josephus on January 10, 2013, 05:30:44 PM
Season One, seemed to carry over the same campy feeling from the original. As Syt, said it probably took around two seasons to really get going, although it had that abberation when the annoying doctor took over for Crusher.
I think Dr Pulaski was a better character than Dr. Crusher...mostly only lacking in not being a MILFy redhead.
Though the one-episode Caliga-approved Vulcan from Season-two's "The Schizoid Man" should have been made a regular. The same actress later played Worf's on-off love interest, but she made a HOTTer Vulcan.
I agree. Dr. Pulaski was a more interesting character than Dr. Crusher. Crusher was very... blah. No real interesting personality to her.
Fuck Dr. Pulaski.
So what if she was on TOS once; still had flashbacks to LA Law when she fucked over Leland. Her falling down that elevator shaft was the best thing to save that firm from her vile ways.
Hated Pulaski. Yeah, some of it was that she wasn't hot like Crusher....no, all of it was. And the way she said Data. Come on, if you were gonna have a physical, whom would you pick to check your gonads?
Seriously, as a character? I don't even remember anything about her.
Quote from: Josephus on January 10, 2013, 06:44:39 PM
Hated Pulaski. Yeah, some of it was that she wasn't hot like Crusher....no, all of it was. And the way she said Data. Come on, if you were gonna have a physical, whom would you pick to check your gonads?
Seriously, as a character? I don't even remember anything about her.
Pulaski was, essentially, an attempt by TNG to have a female version of McCoy aboard. The biggest difference between the two, other than the gender, was that while McCoy's occasional anti-Vulcan commments usually came off mostly as friendly needling of Spock, Pulaski's comments to Date pretty much came off as mean-spirited and bigoted.
Of course Dr. Pulaski was a more interesting character than Dr. Crusher, because Pulaski actually had character traits--the writers generally had 2 things things they wanted Crusher to do--to provide medical-themed plot expostition and to be a MILF. Neither of those are actual character traits. OTOH, most of Pulaski's character traits were traits that made a lot of people dislike her, and it mght be sexist, but I'm totally OK with having a hot mom on board the Enterprise.
Quote from: dps on January 10, 2013, 08:28:05 PM
OTOH, most of Pulaski's character traits were traits that made a lot of people dislike her, and it mght be sexist, but I'm totally OK with having a hot mom on board the Enterprise.
It's been a long while since I paid attention to the season she was on, but I thought when she was introduced she was going to be a romantic tension device for Picard, what with being more his "equal" than Crusher was--not just in age, but in capability.
Crusher was just window dressing. She annoyed me more than Troi.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2013, 08:34:47 PM
Quote from: dps on January 10, 2013, 08:28:05 PM
OTOH, most of Pulaski's character traits were traits that made a lot of people dislike her, and it mght be sexist, but I'm totally OK with having a hot mom on board the Enterprise.
It's been a long while since I paid attention to the season she was on, but I thought when she was introduced she was going to be a romantic tension device for Picard, what with being more his "equal" than Crusher was--not just in age, but in capability.
Crusher was just window dressing. She annoyed me more than Troi.
Crusher didn't annoy me
because she was just window dressing. Troi always had to open her mouth and state the obvious as if it was some sort of deep insight.
If only she had opened her blouse instead.
If I was on that ship, I'd be sending her naughty vibes about anally violating her every time we passed in the hallway.
Then again, Troi's mom would've thought that was cute.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2013, 10:23:32 PM
If I was on that ship, I'd be sending her naughty vibes about anally violating her every time we passed in the hallway.
Then again, Troi's mom would've thought that was cute.
The bad part is, Troi's mom would have thought those vibes were directed at her, and wanted you to follow through on them.
Quote from: dps on January 10, 2013, 08:54:04 PM
Troi always had to open her mouth and state the obvious as if it was some sort of deep insight.
:lol: that was horrible. As if they thought the nerds watching wouldn't be able to decipher the most basic emotions and intents
Quote from: dps on January 10, 2013, 08:54:04 PM
Troi always had to open her mouth and state the obvious as if it was some sort of deep insight.
It appears someone else watches the Trek reviews on SF debris. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNatvLe18ro
We always used to make fun of Troi and her semi-empathic abilities.
The Enterprise comes up against a ship that has its guns aimed at the Enterprise. They refuse to communicate further other than to say that they will destroy the entire Federation.
Troi looks at Picard. "Captain, I sense hostility."
Quote from: Barrister on January 10, 2013, 05:13:51 PM
When Netflix Canada first started showing TNG I started trying to watch in order.
But season one is pretty... blah...
SNG strikes me as a very... thin? show in a lot of ways, compared to DS9, battlestar, etc.
FThere's an episode in Season 5 where everyone's mind is erased by some aliens who can also hack their computrs, but have terrible weapons technology. The aliens plan on using the ship to take out their enemy's command center... and after that episode, it's never brought up again.
Quote from: Josephus on January 11, 2013, 08:31:14 AM
We always used to make fun of Troi and her semi-empathic abilities.
The Enterprise comes up against a ship that has its guns aimed at the Enterprise. They refuse to communicate further other than to say that they will destroy the entire Federation.
Troi looks at Picard. "Captain, I sense hostility."
Who was the captain that sat in while Picard was gone for a few episodes, and told that bitch to get out of street clothes and back in a fucking uniform? I liked him.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 11, 2013, 12:54:57 PM
Quote from: Josephus on January 11, 2013, 08:31:14 AM
We always used to make fun of Troi and her semi-empathic abilities.
The Enterprise comes up against a ship that has its guns aimed at the Enterprise. They refuse to communicate further other than to say that they will destroy the entire Federation.
Troi looks at Picard. "Captain, I sense hostility."
Who was the captain that sat in while Picard was gone for a few episodes, and told that bitch to get out of street clothes and back in a fucking uniform? I liked him.
Ronny Cox? Absolute badass.
That's right. Yeah, he was cool.
Bitch walking around the bridge showing her ass like it's Ten Forward.
I worship The Picard.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 11, 2013, 01:33:00 PM
That's right. Yeah, he was cool.
Bitch walking around the bridge showing her ass like it's Ten Forward.
Which makes the episode with Michelle Forbes as Bajoran Ensign Ro so unintentionally funny. Riker chews Ro out for wearing her Bajoran earring (non-regulation clothing), but during a briefing Troi sits there in her leotard.
Ensign Ro--The least crazy of the Bajoran ladies. :P
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 11, 2013, 02:20:57 PM
Ensign Ro--The least crazy of the Bajoran ladies. :P
Was Kira all that crazy? I guess there was the religious thing, but her gods turned out to be real.
Dude, Kira was completely unstable. Classic impulsive BPD.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 11, 2013, 02:24:17 PM
Dude, Kira was completely unstable. Classic impulsive BPD.
She didn't seem to have Ro's violent problems with authority though. At least not quite as badly.
Quote from: Syt on January 11, 2013, 02:10:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 11, 2013, 01:33:00 PM
That's right. Yeah, he was cool.
Bitch walking around the bridge showing her ass like it's Ten Forward.
Which makes the episode with Michelle Forbes as Bajoran Ensign Ro so unintentionally funny. Riker chews Ro out for wearing her Bajoran earring (non-regulation clothing), but during a briefing Troi sits there in her leotard.
I got the impression it was because of the religious significance, Starfleet being a no religion zone.
Troi's ass and cameltoe was certainly worship worthy.
Quote from: Syt on January 11, 2013, 02:10:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 11, 2013, 01:33:00 PM
That's right. Yeah, he was cool.
Bitch walking around the bridge showing her ass like it's Ten Forward.
Which makes the episode with Michelle Forbes as Bajoran Ensign Ro so unintentionally funny. Riker chews Ro out for wearing her Bajoran earring (non-regulation clothing), but during a briefing Troi sits there in her leotard.
Yeah, but Riker had a thing for Troi. He wasn't going to chew her out. Besides, she could sense his hostility.
Maybe I am weird, but I thought Troi has HOTTer in the blue uniform. :blush:
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 11, 2013, 06:00:20 PM
Maybe I am weird, but I thought Troi has HOTTer in the blue uniform. :blush:
There's nothing wrong with a woman who wants to look more professional and less like she's going to the gym.
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 11, 2013, 06:00:20 PM
Maybe I am weird, but I thought Troi has HOTTer in the blue uniform. :blush:
The proper Starfleet uniform she wore in later seasons showed her bosom off to much greater effect than the earlier flowing robe things did.
I don't recall disliking this costume change. :blush:
Mandated by Commodore Jellicoe, the same guy who fubared the Battle of Jutland, iirc
Marina Sirtis used to do voiceover work for Gargoyles. Took me a while to figure out why I kept getting erections watching it. Figured it was the wings at first. :unsure:
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on January 13, 2013, 06:42:08 PM
Mandated by Commodore Jellicoe, the same guy who fubared the Battle of Jutland, iirc
:huh:
You're the worst.
Mr. Skin's kept track of her career.
http://www.mrskin.com/marina-sirtis-nude-c979.html
She got raped and avenged by none other than Mr. Charles Bronson himself in Death Wish 3.
Quote from: dps on January 10, 2013, 08:28:05 PM
Quote from: Josephus on January 10, 2013, 06:44:39 PM
Hated Pulaski. Yeah, some of it was that she wasn't hot like Crusher....no, all of it was. And the way she said Data. Come on, if you were gonna have a physical, whom would you pick to check your gonads?
Seriously, as a character? I don't even remember anything about her.
Pulaski was, essentially, an attempt by TNG to have a female version of McCoy aboard. The biggest difference between the two, other than the gender, was that while McCoy's occasional anti-Vulcan commments usually came off mostly as friendly needling of Spock, Pulaski's comments to Date pretty much came off as mean-spirited and bigoted.
Indeed. The thing is, they really misunderstood the dynamic and therefore completely fucked it up when they tried to replicate it. With McCoy and Spock, they were
both huge racists, except Spock was a little more circumspect about it and expounded his bigotry with less obvious animosity but a clear sense of humor. Thus you got the idea that they were kind of having fun with the idea of hating each others' peoples, and probably not even 100% serious, and even if they sometimes took it too far, they were both dishing it out as well as taking it.
Whereas that didn't work at all with Data, because he just sat there and took it, with true dispassion; this made Pulaski nothing more than a bully and a cunt. And her presence was made even less desirable because the rest of the cast just humored her (ugly, wholly unfounded and demonstrably untrue) beliefs.
What about the blonde chick who got killed by that tarbaby like alien?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 11, 2013, 01:33:00 PM
That's right. Yeah, he was cool.
Bitch walking around the bridge showing her ass like it's Ten Forward.
Jellico. :wub:
Back when Starship Creator was a thing, he was always my first pick for Captain when I was setting up the crew roster. Also had a lot of luck with other military captains (Ericka Benteen, bitch that nearly took out the Defiant with the Lakota).
And that would be Tasha Yar you're thinking of, Jaron. Awesome write-off for the effect on Data, but terrible once they introduced her half-Romulan daughter, Sela. :bleeding:
Yeah, the whole Tasha Yar character rubbed me the wrong way almost immediately. But Denise Crosby usually plays evil bitches, so maybe that was it.
It was cool that Data fucked the holy shit out of her, though. You know she had orgasms where no orgasms had gone before.
Quote from: Jaron on January 13, 2013, 11:17:11 PM
What about the blonde chick who got killed by that tarbaby like alien?
Yeah, she was pretty hawt. Data proved he was completely functional.
NERDS!