There was a psychologist on NPR that was saying that the most effective way to end these kinds of tragedies isn't to ban guns, but rather for the media to refuse to agrandize the situations when they occur. Tell the story, but don't name the killer. Give no attention to him/her at all.
For that to work, however, all of the media would have to agree to it, which, as we know, will never happen. In addition, there are always those who need to know why. They'll dig to get the answer of who and why, and then publish it.
Quote from: merithyn on December 14, 2012, 05:46:25 PM
There was a psychologist on NPR that was saying that the most effective way to end these kinds of tragedies isn't to ban guns, but rather for the media to refuse to agrandize the situations when they occur.
ok so it is fine if you bring poitics to this thread, but not when others do?
Quote from: Martinus on December 14, 2012, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: merithyn on December 14, 2012, 05:46:25 PM
There was a psychologist on NPR that was saying that the most effective way to end these kinds of tragedies isn't to ban guns, but rather for the media to refuse to agrandize the situations when they occur.
ok so it is fine if you bring poitics to this thread, but not when others do?
I dont see that as politics.
She is blaming the media where others were blaming lax gun laws. I fail to see how one is not politics when the other is.
Quote from: Martinus on December 14, 2012, 06:38:04 PM
She is blaming the media where others were blaming lax gun laws. I fail to see how one is not politics when the other is.
You lawyer?
:rolleyes:
In your view, Meri, are the media more or less responsible for the gun deaths than people who favour gun control?
Quote from: Martinus on December 14, 2012, 06:38:04 PM
She is blaming the media where others were blaming lax gun laws. I fail to see how one is not politics when the other is.
I'm sure no one here is surprised by your failure.
Quote from: Jacob on December 14, 2012, 07:17:30 PM
In your view, Meri, are the media more or less responsible for the gun deaths than people who favour gun control?
So you're going to just keep misconstruing what I said to suit your own purposes? Okay, so then there's no real point to respond to you. Why don't you just keep making up what you think I'm saying and then respond, and I'll go have a beer and read it later?
Quote from: merithyn on December 14, 2012, 05:46:25 PM
There was a psychologist on NPR that was saying that the most effective way to end these kinds of tragedies isn't to ban guns, but rather for the media to refuse to agrandize the situations when they occur. Tell the story, but don't name the killer. Give no attention to him/her at all.
For that to work, however, all of the media would have to agree to it, which, as we know, will never happen. In addition, there are always those who need to know why. They'll dig to get the answer of who and why, and then publish it.
I'm sure postmortem reporting is a major concern amongst those who are suicidal or psychotic.
Hm, I'm taking a different tack and suggesting this is a manifestation of certain cultural characteristics of a society.
As 11B4V and myself were discussing and as C.C. mention, it's not necessarily about gun laws, as it appears before we banned them, just one in a thousand Brits had a handgun, whereas 11B4V suggests the average is approaching unity in the US now.
That's a huge difference in societal norms and reasons for why people have these things. And not something I can either explain or comprehend.
Quote from: merithyn on December 14, 2012, 07:38:16 PMSo you're going to just keep misconstruing what I said to suit your own purposes? Okay, so then there's no real point to respond to you. Why don't you just keep making up what you think I'm saying and then respond, and I'll go have a beer and read it later?
Which part am I misconstruing for my own purposes?
At no time did I ever blame anyone for this shooting, except the gunman.
I don't blame the media for what happened, and I never said that I did. I said that aggrandizing what happened doesn't help the situation, but the media isn't going to not report the news. I also defended the need to document what happened by the media, though I lamented the need to get that information out as quickly as possible. The gentleman I discussed was on the news while he talked about this, and what he said was pertinent to the conversation that was taking place around what I said in the thread that this actually started in. Of course, you'd have to read my post in context to understand it, but Marti has now made that impossible. Not that you seem to care, anyway.
I never said that gun control was to blame. I said that people who fly off the handle spewing gun control propaganda without even knowing what the situation is HURTS the lobby for reasonable policies that can actually pass and that will actually do some good. And yes, I believe that they hurt the lobby just as badly as the NRA nutjobs do.
Which, had you bothered to read anything that I actually wrote, you would know. You don't seem to care what I actually think or mean, though, as is obvious by your willful disregard for the things that I've said.
Back to the original subject, I think both sides are to blame.
News sensationalism. It's going to get worse on this subjuct.
There seems to be here such a code of silence in the media when dealing with suicides.
Though lately they've talked about a number crisis-related suicides.
I blame Call of Duty.
Connecticut: NRA Haven par excellence.
Or is it?
http://www.montereyherald.com/politics-national/2012/12/connecticut-gun-laws-among-the-toughest-in-the-u-s/
Quote from: merithyn on December 14, 2012, 05:46:25 PM
There was a psychologist on NPR that was saying that the most effective way to end these kinds of tragedies isn't to ban guns, but rather for the media to refuse to agrandize the situations when they occur. Tell the story, but don't name the killer. Give no attention to him/her at all.
People don't do these things for the media attention. Doesn't matter if it isn't covered, or the shooter makes the cover of Time magazine.
Especially not if this guy is an Aspie, as is alleged, or has some other autism-spectrum related disorder.
Quote from: merithyn on December 14, 2012, 05:46:25 PM
There was a psychologist on NPR that was saying that the most effective way to end these kinds of tragedies isn't to ban guns, but rather for the media to refuse to agrandize the situations when they occur. Tell the story, but don't name the killer. Give no attention to him/her at all.
Reminds me of this bit of a British show that sort of satires the news:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4
I'm torn, on the one hand, the Second Amendment is beautiful in it's trust in the yeomanry where a musket is just another tool to be used on the farm(kill pests, indians and Brits) and the millions of various guns swimming around the US, to be picked up by every crazy a 300 million strong nation can spit out, on the other hand. Statistics would suggest spree shootings to be fairly regular and indeed they are.
If only the teachers and children had been packing this wouldn't have happened. ;)
Quote from: Scipio on December 14, 2012, 09:34:59 PM
Especially not if this guy is an Aspie, as is alleged, or has some other autism-spectrum related disorder.
Aspie?? Is that like Assburgers? I dont know what Aspie is.
It sounds to me from what I read that he was basically a weird nerd. Solution: Put all weird nerds in prison. :)
Herostratus. Don't blame media for reporting things that people do so it is reported. That's kind of inevitable.
Quote from: Caliga on December 14, 2012, 10:26:50 PM
It sounds to me from what I read that he was basically a weird nerd. Solution: Put all weird nerds in prison. :)
:mad:
Quote from: Caliga on December 14, 2012, 10:26:50 PM
It sounds to me from what I read that he was basically a weird nerd. Solution: Put all weird nerds in prison. :)
Says the guy who cosplays as a Roman Soldier.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 15, 2012, 12:57:04 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 14, 2012, 10:26:50 PM
It sounds to me from what I read that he was basically a weird nerd. Solution: Put all weird nerds in prison. :)
Says the guy who cosplays as a Roman Soldier.
:lmfao: :pinch:
'The New York Times published an analysis in 2000 of what was known about 102 people who had committed 100 rampage killings at schools, job sites and public places like malls.
Most had left a road map of red flags, plotting their attacks and accumulating weapons. In the 100 rampage killings reviewed, 54 of the killers had talked explicitly of when and where they would act, and against whom. In 34 of the cases, worried friends or family members had desperately sought help in advance, only to be rebuffed by the police, school officials or mental health workers.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/nyregion/sandy-hook-shooting-forces-re-examination-of-tough-questions.html
And how many fit the profile that don't commit any crime? Millions? Odd they mentioned the 1920's Michigan thing. That was more anti-tax then anything. Guy should be a hero for Libertarians.
Quote from: Phillip V on December 15, 2012, 02:07:49 AM
'The New York Times published an analysis in 2000 of what was known about 102 people who had committed 100 rampage killings at schools, job sites and public places like malls.
In 34 of the cases, worried friends or family members had desperately sought help in advance, only to be rebuffed by the police, school officials or mental health workers.'
Choppy waters there.
I love it when people blame the authorities for "ignoring the warning signs" in situations like this, yet bitch whenever authorities overreact and lock up some kid for posting on Facebook he is going to kill his teachers.
You can't have it both ways.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 15, 2012, 12:57:04 AM
Says the guy who cosplays as a Roman Soldier.
I don't have time for that anymore. :(
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 14, 2012, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: merithyn on December 14, 2012, 05:46:25 PM
There was a psychologist on NPR that was saying that the most effective way to end these kinds of tragedies isn't to ban guns, but rather for the media to refuse to agrandize the situations when they occur. Tell the story, but don't name the killer. Give no attention to him/her at all.
People don't do these things for the media attention. Doesn't matter if it isn't covered, or the shooter makes the cover of Time magazine.
I agree. I've always been skeptical of the theory that mass killings like this are motivated by a desire for media attention, especially in cases where the killer offs themselves and isn't around to actually see the attention. Of course, the idea that it is done for media attention is going to be popular with the media, since it pumps up their already overinflated view of their own importance.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 15, 2012, 12:57:04 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 14, 2012, 10:26:50 PM
It sounds to me from what I read that he was basically a weird nerd. Solution: Put all weird nerds in prison. :)
Says the guy who cosplays as a Roman Soldier.
:D
More like: says the guy posting on Languish.
Lets face it - if it is open season on weird nerds, the lot of us would be in peril. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 14, 2012, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: merithyn on December 14, 2012, 05:46:25 PM
There was a psychologist on NPR that was saying that the most effective way to end these kinds of tragedies isn't to ban guns, but rather for the media to refuse to agrandize the situations when they occur. Tell the story, but don't name the killer. Give no attention to him/her at all.
People don't do these things for the media attention. Doesn't matter if it isn't covered, or the shooter makes the cover of Time magazine.
Money is spot on . This guy killed his mom before he went to the school and killed the kids. There is something gravely wrong with a person who kills their own mother, this is someone who is simply no longer mentally sound and I doubt very seriously his actions after that are designed to get us talking about him post-mortem.
Quote from: Malthus on December 15, 2012, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 15, 2012, 12:57:04 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 14, 2012, 10:26:50 PM
It sounds to me from what I read that he was basically a weird nerd. Solution: Put all weird nerds in prison. :)
Says the guy who cosplays as a Roman Soldier.
:D
More like: says the guy posting on Languish.
Lets face it - if it is open season on weird nerds, the lot of us would be in peril. :P
:lol:
Quote from: Razgovory on December 15, 2012, 02:14:51 AM
And how many fit the profile that don't commit any crime? Millions?
Very good point. Analyzing Type II error without analyzing Type I error is worse than useless.
I'm glad you agree with me, but I have no idea what you said.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 15, 2012, 02:42:44 PM
I'm glad you agree with me, but I have no idea what you said.
Is Wiki down or something? Type II error is failing to stop a future mass murderer who showed red flags. Type I error is stopping people with red flags who would have never amounted to anything.
Quote from: Scipio on December 14, 2012, 09:30:08 PM
Connecticut: NRA Haven par excellence.
Or is it?
http://www.montereyherald.com/politics-national/2012/12/connecticut-gun-laws-among-the-toughest-in-the-u-s/
Connecticut is a lot more lenient than New York, Mass, or New Jersey. Also in NY the counties can have more strict laws than the overall state laws - and the laws in the NY counties closest to Fairfield County - Westchester - are among the most strict in the entire state.
Why not just repeal the second amendment? Or modify it so that it only applies to flintlock muskets?
Give the US a sane gun policy where the military, the police, rural folk/hunters and shooting sports enthusiasts can get a gun but everyone else can't.
Just be like Canada.
Quote from: DGuller on December 15, 2012, 04:42:42 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 15, 2012, 02:42:44 PM
I'm glad you agree with me, but I have no idea what you said.
Is Wiki down or something? Type II error is failing to stop a future mass murderer who showed red flags. Type I error is stopping people with red flags who would have never amounted to anything.
I don't get statistics.
Quote from: Legbiter on December 17, 2012, 06:16:39 PM
Why not just repeal the second amendment? Or modify it so that it only applies to flintlock muskets?
Give the US a sane gun policy where the military, the police, rural folk/hunters and shooting sports enthusiasts can get a gun but everyone else can't.
Just be like Canada.
Why do you hate freedom?
Quote from: merithyn on December 14, 2012, 05:46:25 PM
There was a psychologist on NPR that was saying that the most effective way to end these kinds of tragedies isn't to ban guns, but rather for the media to refuse to agrandize the situations when they occur. Tell the story, but don't name the killer. Give no attention to him/her at all.
For that to work, however, all of the media would have to agree to it, which, as we know, will never happen. In addition, there are always those who need to know why. They'll dig to get the answer of who and why, and then publish it.
I,m surprised they didn't say it was violent video games first. Or violent movies.
Violent movies are getting some mention. Apparently Tarantino caught some shit for not apologizing for the violence in his movies.
Quote from: viper37 on December 17, 2012, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: merithyn on December 14, 2012, 05:46:25 PM
There was a psychologist on NPR that was saying that the most effective way to end these kinds of tragedies isn't to ban guns, but rather for the media to refuse to agrandize the situations when they occur. Tell the story, but don't name the killer. Give no attention to him/her at all.
For that to work, however, all of the media would have to agree to it, which, as we know, will never happen. In addition, there are always those who need to know why. They'll dig to get the answer of who and why, and then publish it.
I,m surprised they didn't say it was violent video games first. Or violent movies.
I've seen violent video games and Jews blamed.
The Jews are the ones who will not be blamed for nothing. :)
Quote from: Caliga on December 18, 2012, 05:28:48 AM
The Jews are the ones who will not be blamed for nothing. :)
Indeed. Man I am so tired of people not blaming them nothing, that crap has not not gone on for centuries.
Quote from: Caliga on December 18, 2012, 05:28:48 AM
The Jews are the ones who will not be blamed for nothing. :)
"The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing."
You mis-spelled "Juwes". :P
Of course a JUWE would get my little joke. :bowler:
Quote from: Caliga on December 18, 2012, 09:40:26 AM
Of course a JUWE would get my little joke. :bowler:
Juwes, Brits, true crime affectionadoes, and other master race types. :showoff:
QuoteA proposal to bring a Gen Con-like gaming convention to Duluth has some business owners fluttering with excitement (Local View: "DECC needs a gaming convention," Dec. 4). But the violence accompanied with role-playing video games poses too high a risk for Duluth, despite the prospective economic profits.
Sure, Indianapolis has a turnout of 45,000 medieval-clad, game-playing enthusiasts at its annual Gen Con convention, and the annual event brings the city millions of dollars of profits. But everyone seems to overlook what should be obvious: the mental, emotional and physical whiplash of video games. Everyone seems to ignore what's known as "behavioral violence."
A study done by Craig Anderson and published in Glen Spark's book, "Media Effects," found the "exposure to violent video games is casually linked to increased aggressive behavior, increases in aggressive thoughts and feelings, higher levels of physiological arousal, and less helping behavior."
We're not playing Pong or Pac-Man anymore.
Instead, we're playing the most popular, cutting-edge video games like Demon's Souls, Dark Souls: Prepare to Die and the long-anticipated Soul Sacrifice, video games that probably will not make gamers want to volunteer at the Salvation Army. More likely, the games will increase desires to act and behave more violently.
As Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's studies prove, "Video games that require the player to shoot a gun and react reflexively with the shooting responses are teaching an entire generation of children to associate shooting with pleasure."
Bringing a scaled-down version of Indiana's Gen Con convention to Duluth would only increase the amount of violence to which Duluth is exposed. Is increased violence something we really want to willingly welcome into Duluth?
The role-playing video games associated with Gen Con are only a
catalyst to violent behavior. A study done by Norwegian psychologists Endestad and Torgsen reported that role-playing video games might lead to violent behavior because the gamer has identification with the main perpetrator in the game.
If playing video games really leads to aggressive behavior, I sure wouldn't want to welcome that into Duluth, despite the prospective economic
benefits.
Indiana can keep the Gen Con convention and the violence associated with video games, and we'll stick to Bentleyville's Tour of Lights.
Jo Cooley is a communication major at the University of Minnesota Duluth.
Fuck you and UMD, Jo. Assmunch.
I know I for one have been feeling like a kung-fu panda lately. :cool:
Reading his article makes me want to act out violently.
His? You know Jo is a cunt.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 18, 2012, 05:26:21 PM
His? You know Jo is a cunt.
Yep.
Jo Cooley (http://www.umn.edu/lookup?SET_INSTITUTION=UMNDL&type=name&campus=d&role=any&CN=Jo+Cooley)
Wait, was this written by an undergrad? Paying attention to something written by an undergrad is about the same as trying to find meaning in the chattering of squirrels. :)
Quote from: merithyn on December 18, 2012, 05:29:29 PM
Yep.
Jo Cooley (http://www.umn.edu/lookup?SET_INSTITUTION=UMNDL&type=name&campus=d&role=any&CN=Jo+Cooley)
Is she hot.
Quote from: Caliga on December 18, 2012, 05:31:38 PM
Quote from: merithyn on December 18, 2012, 05:29:29 PM
Yep.
Jo Cooley (http://www.umn.edu/lookup?SET_INSTITUTION=UMNDL&type=name&campus=d&role=any&CN=Jo+Cooley)
Is she hot.
Hey, I got you her number. You're going to have to do the rest yourself. :glare:
Quote from: Caliga on December 18, 2012, 05:30:42 PM
Wait, was this written by an undergrad? Paying attention to something written by an undergrad is about the same as trying to find meaning in the chattering of squirrels. :)
It is Jezebel.com quality.
Quote from: Caliga on December 18, 2012, 05:30:42 PM
Wait, was this written by an undergrad? Paying attention to something written by an undergrad is about the same as trying to find meaning in the chattering of squirrels. :)
Yep.