QuoteNFL Lines For Week 11
NFL Line 11/15 - 11/19, 2012
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
11/15 8:25 ET At Buffalo -2.5 Miami 45.5
11/18 1:00 ET At Washington -3.5 Philadelphia 43.5
11/18 1:00 ET Green Bay -3.5 At Detroit 52
11/18 1:00 ET At Atlanta -10 Arizona 44
11/18 1:00 ET Tampa Bay -1.5 At Carolina 48.5
11/18 1:00 ET At Dallas -8 Cleveland 43.5
11/18 1:00 ET At St. Louis -3.5 NY Jets 38.5
11/18 4:25 ET At New England -9 Indianapolis 53.5
11/18 1:00 ET At Houston -15.5 Jacksonville 40.5
11/18 1:00 ET Cincinnati -3.5 At Kansas City 43.5
11/18 4:05 ET New Orleans -5 At Oakland 54.5
11/18 4:25 ET At Denver -7.5 San Diego 48.5
11/18 8:30 ET Baltimore -3.5 At Pittsburgh 40.5
Monday Night Football Line
11/19 8:40 ET At San Francisco -5.5 Chicago 38.5
Rapistbuger is out with a dislocated everything, Nick Foles is taking the 1st team snaps with the Dogkillers, Garcia is Garcia while Tebow is in suicide counseling, Jason Campbell is playing for Cutler, and there's no guarantee that Alex Smith will play for the Niners.
Little birdies are saying that the Steelheads are considering Charlie Batch over Leftwich for the Ravens.
Khan!
Cincy at KC. What a barn burner.
You know, I'm glad that Rex Ryan didn't get the Ravens job. When your locker room feels alright going to the media to trash another player, even one as bad as Tebow, there's a problem.
If I owned the Jets, Rex would've been fired already.
Woah. You know the Eagles have gone to shit when they are dogs against the Redskins.
9 point favorites against the Colts? That sounds a bit high, especially with our defense. :huh:
And more we and our bullshit.
Quote from: Valmy on November 15, 2012, 08:42:35 AM
Woah. You know the Eagles have gone to shit when they are dogs against the Redskins.
Hi my name is Valmy and i haven't been watching the Eagles at all this season.
Quote from: Neil on November 15, 2012, 08:41:03 AM
You know, I'm glad that Rex Ryan didn't get the Ravens job.
Yeah, there's a reason he wasn't hired by SD, Atlanta or Baltimore before finally landing the NYJ job.
He's like the Chris Christie of the NFL; sure, it's cute the first couple months, but then the act really gets stale.
Quote from: katmai on November 15, 2012, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 15, 2012, 08:42:35 AM
Woah. You know the Eagles have gone to shit when they are dogs against the Redskins.
Hi my name is Valmy and i haven't been watching the Eagles at all this season.
And I couldn't even if I wanted to thanks to the NFL's backward ass way it regionally televises its games.
Rex does have some coaching skills - no one in the league prepares their guys more thoroughly for the long and grueling pre-game week of trash talk.
Also it isn't fair for the media to report that the Jets have a quaterback controversy: a choice between a third-string QB and a special teams guy is not a QB controversy, it's just an admission of organizational dysfunction.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 16, 2012, 10:58:40 AM
Rex does have some coaching skills - no one in the league prepares their guys more thoroughly for the long and grueling pre-game week of trash talk.
Also it isn't fair for the media to report that the Jets have a quaterback controversy: a choice between a third-string QB and a special teams guy is not a QB controversy, it's just an admission of organizational dysfunction.
Hey now. Sanchez could easily be a backup somewhere.
Sanchez4UFL
Sanchez4CFL. A Proper replacement for Calvillo, maybe?
Sanchez4Home Depot
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 16, 2012, 12:33:54 PM
Sanchez4CFL. A Proper replacement for Calvillo, maybe?
Nah. Sanchez has made his millions. Why on earth would he come up to the CFL to earn, a hundred thou per year? It's not as if the game is any physically easier up here.
Quote from: Barrister on November 16, 2012, 01:05:43 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 16, 2012, 12:33:54 PM
Sanchez4CFL. A Proper replacement for Calvillo, maybe?
Nah. Sanchez has made his millions. Why on earth would he come up to the CFL to earn, a hundred thou per year? It's not as if the game is any physically easier up here.
He doesn't know how to do anything else? It's the same reason why Hockey journeyman sometimes go to Europe to play towards the end of their career or when they can't make the NHL anymore. See : Sean Pronger
Quote from: Barrister on November 16, 2012, 01:05:43 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 16, 2012, 12:33:54 PM
Sanchez4CFL. A Proper replacement for Calvillo, maybe?
Nah. Sanchez has made his millions. Why on earth would he come up to the CFL to earn, a hundred thou per year? It's not as if the game is any physically easier up here.
Why did Akili Smith do it? Sometimes you want to compete.
That said, shitty QBs don't last long up here.
Quote from: Neil on November 16, 2012, 04:23:53 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 16, 2012, 01:05:43 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 16, 2012, 12:33:54 PM
Sanchez4CFL. A Proper replacement for Calvillo, maybe?
Nah. Sanchez has made his millions. Why on earth would he come up to the CFL to earn, a hundred thou per year? It's not as if the game is any physically easier up here.
Why did Akili Smith do it? Sometimes you want to compete.
That said, shitty QBs don't last long up here.
I doubt he made anywhere near the money Sanchez has received. He was a high draft pick in '99 so he would have gotten something, but he was cut by 2002. I'm sure that money was long gone.
And hockey players... going to Europe isn't a really physical game over there. So why not extend your career a few years.
Quote from: Barrister on November 16, 2012, 04:33:30 PM
I doubt he made anywhere near the money Sanchez has received. He was a high draft pick in '99 so he would have gotten something, but he was cut by 2002. I'm sure that money was long gone.
And hockey players... going to Europe isn't a really physical game over there. So why not extend your career a few years.
I'm sure he didn't, but there's no guarantee that Sanchez was smart with his money either, you racist. Just because a guy is black doesn't mean that he blew his whole signing bonus on a diamond earing.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 16, 2012, 10:58:40 AM
Rex does have some coaching skills - no one in the league prepares their guys more thoroughly for the long and grueling pre-game week of trash talk.
Also it isn't fair for the media to report that the Jets have a quaterback controversy: a choice between a third-string QB and a special teams guy is not a QB controversy, it's just an admission of organizational dysfunction.
:lol:
He's his daddy's son. He's a good Defensive Coordinator but a terrible Head Coach. Though in Rex's case, there's less actual evidence that he's a good DC than there was for his father (Buddy Ryan wasn't just a good DC--he was an all-time great). OTOH, as a HC, it's taken Rex longer to destroy his team than it took Buddy.
A couple of years ago (or a year ago?) I heard Mike Golic talking about Ryan's style, and defending him by pointing out that a team can bond over having (or seeming to have) everybody else against them. At the time, my thought was, "Yeah, but what happens when they figure out that the reason everyone's against them is because their head coach is a dickhead?". I think the Jets are about to that point.
Quote from: dps on November 16, 2012, 08:34:22 PM
A couple of years ago (or a year ago?) I heard Mike Golic talking about Ryan's style, and defending him by pointing out that a team can bond over having (or seeming to have) everybody else against them. At the time, my thought was, "Yeah, but what happens when they figure out that the reason everyone's against them is because their head coach is a dickhead?". I think the Jets are about to that point.
That can work. Remember how Brian Billick was treating the media that year they won the Superbowl?
'Where do you get off telling all these people how to do their jobs?'
"Because I have the podium and you're all here to listen to me."
That and the line about how they wouldn't rehash the Ray Lewis legal thing because it wasn't the place and they weren't qualified. Classic Billick.
Wow the Texans have already knocked Gabbert out of the game, or he's at least out for the moment, with Henne warming up and all that.
E: Doh. Couldn't turn that fumble into anything but a 3 and out. Bad couple of passes by Schaub.
Bring back Rosenfels!
Wow. Nice play by Jacksonville there. A bad tackle and a bad angle turns into a touchdown.
:mad:
As I stated in preseason 2011, AJ Green is a stud receiver.
Even on a Ravens prime time Sunday, I get Gumbel and Dierdorf with the Browns and Cowboys.
I am convinced they will be doing the play-by-play and color in my afterlife. A SUPERLATIVE DEATH BY A PREMIER PLAYER IN THIS AFTERLIFE
Man, what is happening in Houston right now? That last play was just a disaster in every way.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 18, 2012, 02:46:00 PM
Even on a Ravens prime time Sunday, I get Gumbel and Dierdorf with the Browns and Cowboys.
I am convinced they will be doing the play-by-play and color in my afterlife. A SUPERLATIVE DEATH BY A PREMIER PLAYER IN THIS AFTERLIFE
:nelson:
Quote from: derspiess on November 18, 2012, 03:09:37 PM
:nelson:
That's OK, yours will be watching Akili Smith getting drafted, over and over and over, while watching David Klinger overthrow receivers on deep posts, with Turk Schonert warming up on the sidelines.
It would be great if the Texans would stop playing like shit now.
Cleveland, as usual, is melting down like a chocolate Easter bunny held under derspiess's armpit too long.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 18, 2012, 03:13:10 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 18, 2012, 03:09:37 PM
:nelson:
That's OK, yours will be watching Akili Smith getting drafted, over and over and over, while watching David Klinger overthrow receivers on deep posts, with Turk Schonert warming up on the sidelines.
The Turk was, for a brief moment, the most popular guy in town.
Anywho, why don't you just watch NFL RedZone instead of the Browns?
Quote from: derspiess on November 18, 2012, 03:50:44 PM
Anywho, why don't you just watch NFL RedZone instead of the Browns?
Verizon FIOS fucked us; turned it into a subscriber channel this year. Must be a union somewhere driving down their profits.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 18, 2012, 03:33:34 PM
It would be great if the Texans would stop playing like shit now.
So they did. Jacksonville obligingly went into soft zones, and the Texans said LOL.
Dallas. :lmfao:
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 18, 2012, 04:09:14 PM
Dallas. :lmfao:
No kidding. And all the ESPN heads were saying "No way! They don't lose to bad teams, just the good ones!"
Romo knows not the difference.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 18, 2012, 02:46:00 PM
Even on a Ravens prime time Sunday, I get Gumbel and Dierdorf with the Browns and Cowboys.
I am convinced they will be doing the play-by-play and color in my afterlife. A SUPERLATIVE DEATH BY A PREMIER PLAYER IN THIS AFTERLIFE
And since there can never be enough Gumbel and Dierdorf how about some extra, at no charge?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 18, 2012, 04:10:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 18, 2012, 04:09:14 PM
Dallas. :lmfao:
No kidding. And all the ESPN heads were saying "No way! They don't lose to bad teams, just the good ones!"
Romo knows not the difference.
It was Keyshawn Johnson who said that, who is not your average talking head. He is much dumber.
Hey Schaub tied Warren Moon at #2 for passing yards in a single game with 527 today. 5TDs and 2INTs. Andre Johnson ended up with 273 of those yards and 1TD, the game winner.
Alright Broncos you have the game wrapped up, the Chargers have no heart and won't come back.
Now pull Manning so I can have an outside shot at beating Seedy in LFFL.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 18, 2012, 05:38:09 PM
Hey Schaub tied Warren Moon at #2 for passing yards in a single game with 527 today. 5TDs and 2INTs. Andre Johnson ended up with 273 of those yards and 1TD, the game winner.
Holy crap Norm Van Brocklin from 1951 holds the record.
Quote from: Valmy on November 18, 2012, 07:12:03 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 18, 2012, 05:38:09 PM
Hey Schaub tied Warren Moon at #2 for passing yards in a single game with 527 today. 5TDs and 2INTs. Andre Johnson ended up with 273 of those yards and 1TD, the game winner.
Holy crap Norm Van Brocklin from 1951 holds the record.
Just watch the Patriots score a couple more and Tim will be saying how he broke the all time single game scoring record.
Why do the Steelers dishonour the Rivalry with those terrible fucking uniforms? It's like the Ravens are playing Bumblebee Man.
Always bad mojo for the Ravens when they break out the thrownbacks.
Edit: See?
Well, if nobody wants to tackle the guy, that's what'll happen.
Jesus Christ, Hampton looks like a schoolbus in that uniform? Aren't stripes supposed to be slimming?
No helmet to helmet on Hampton, though. That would upset NFL Properties.
Jesus Christ. Paul Kruger ate his Wheaties this morning.
More stuff from the Texans - Jags game to go along with the 527 passing yards:
First time in NFL history there have been two opposing WRs with 200+ yards. Houston is the first team to ever score twice in OT. Johnson's 14-273 are both personal and Texans records. Schaub's 5TDs were personal and Texans (I think) records. His 43 completions is 2nd all time for a single game. His 78.2% completions is the best ever by a QB with over 50 attempts (43 of 55). Houston's 640 yards were a team record, and beat the previous mark by more than 90 yards.
I think that's it.
The 78% on 55 attempts is really impressive. At one point when they were making the comeback, the guy completed 16 in a row, which would help that percentage out quite a bit.
How was that block on Hampton they highlighted legal? Wasn't it a chop block since Hampton was engaged up high when he was cut?
Yeah, it was freakish. At some point in the 4th, Schaub just said 'fuck this shit', and went ball-out.
Leftwich is killing worms with that hitch in his ribcage.
Wasn't Graham quite a ways out of bounds there?
Quote from: Neil on November 18, 2012, 10:20:45 PM
Wasn't Graham quite a ways out of bounds there?
Doesn't matter. You know who they're playing, and where.
I think the Leftwich windup has gotten even bigger/slower. I really do.
Watching the Pats game right now.
Damn, what a good performance by the Pats! :w00t:
EDIT: Edelman is a beast! 2 TDs already and just ripped off a 47 yard run!
EDIT2: NOOO! Gronk broke his arm! :cry:
Leftwich got popped right there. Just standing there like that with a S running free at him.
Win's a win.
If anybody gets the credit for the win, it's Jones for the only Ravens TD, and Corey Graham for making big plays, but other than Pollard knocking out Cotchery's lights out, the Big Play was the brilliant safety blitz blindside pop Leftwich took from Ihedigbo, since he couldn't throw the ball after that. He was injured all game, but that really took it out of him.
He should've been yanked early. If anybody wants to put the blame on NFL Properties' loss tonight, gotta put it on coach Tomlin for not yanking an obviously injured Leftwich for Batch, who does nothing but throw for miles.
But a gutsy, gutsy game by the Ravens defense, getting solid after it looked like the running game was getting the best of them in the 3rd quarter.
Cory Graham and Paul Kruger were awesome, but yeah, Ihedigbo's hit really should have ended Leftwich's night. If Batch is the QB that he was last time he played, he was their best chance to win.
Oh snap!
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 18, 2012, 10:54:22 PM
EDIT2: NOOO! Gronk broke his arm! :cry:
The Patriots are lucky he was the only impact injury while running up the score at the end of the game with all their starters still in.
Somebody's going to have enough of the Patriots' throwing bombs when they're up by 45 with 8 minutes left in the game, and will make that cost-benefit analysis decision very quickly between the league fine and the crown of his helmet under Brady's chin.
One of these days, Belichick is going to get one of his players truly hurt for his asshole hubris. I only hope it happens sooner than later.
There was no way of knowing but Chad Henne scored 38 points for Neil's bench.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 18, 2012, 10:54:22 PM
Watching the Pats game right now.
Damn, what a good performance by the Pats! :w00t:
EDIT: Edelman is a beast! 2 TDs already and just ripped off a 47 yard run!
EDIT2: NOOO! Gronk broke his arm! :cry:
No we bullshit. I'm proud of you son.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 19, 2012, 07:44:34 AM
The Patriots are lucky he was the only impact injury while running up the score at the end of the game with all their starters still in.
No shit. They were playing "Karma Chameleon" on Mike & Mike this morning.
Yeah. Remember when Welker's ACL blown out on a meaningless Week 17 game against Houston? And remember what happened to them in the playoffs that year?
Good times.
It looks like NFL popularity really is spreading to all corners of the world. Eight years ago I knew just one Argentine who followed American football. At the big family reunion bash in Buenos Aires a week & a half ago I had people cornering me left and right to talk about football.
Fan loyalties are all across the board and I suspect they relate to specific cities each Argie has visited. From what I can remember on that Fernet-filled night the following teams were mentioned as favorites: Giants, Dolphins, Niners, Texans, Saints, Patriots :rolleyes: , and Bengals (not sure if that was sincere but whatever).
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 11:59:16 AM
Fan loyalties are all across the board and I suspect they relate to specific cities each Argie has visited.
Makes about as much sense as any other way of picking a favourite team when you live far, far away from the league in question.
Quote from: Barrister on November 19, 2012, 12:19:07 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 11:59:16 AM
Fan loyalties are all across the board and I suspect they relate to specific cities each Argie has visited.
Makes about as much sense as any other way of picking a favourite team when you live far, far away from the league in question.
No. They should all go by whatever team their niece or cousin or close family friend's husband is affiliated with :angry:
I mean, I could have gone with Racing or the easiest choice-- Boca Juniors as my favorite Argie soccer team but I went with River because they are my wife's family's favorite team.
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 12:29:08 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 19, 2012, 12:19:07 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 11:59:16 AM
Fan loyalties are all across the board and I suspect they relate to specific cities each Argie has visited.
Makes about as much sense as any other way of picking a favourite team when you live far, far away from the league in question.
No. They should all go by whatever team their niece or cousin or close family friend's husband is affiliated with :angry:
I mean, I could have gone with Racing or the easiest choice-- Boca Juniors as my favorite Argie soccer team but I went with River because they are my wife's family's favorite team.
Hmm... now you have me wondering - what is my brother's favourite Brazillian soccer team. I bet he has one. :hmm:
And apparently after a few visits by my brother to Brazil his future brother-in-law painted a Calgary Flames logo (my brother's favourite team, and a nice simple logo) on a bus he owns in Brazil. :wacko:
Given that you've actually worked
for the Bengals you have some reason to complain actually.
Quote from: Barrister on November 19, 2012, 01:09:07 PM
And apparently after a few visits by my brother to Brazil his future brother-in-law painted a Calgary Flames logo (my brother's favourite team, and a nice simple logo) on a bus he owns in Brazil. :wacko:
Awesome. I bet that would throw the random Canadian (or American if he's a hockey fan) for a loop if they ever happened to see that bus.
Quote from: Barrister on November 19, 2012, 01:09:07 PM
Given that you've actually worked for the Bengals you have some reason to complain actually.
I'm not really worked up about it. I'm just glad they're starting to appreciate the sport and that nobody is a Steelers fan. I think I invited like 20 people to come up here & go to a game-- hopefully they don't all fly up at the same time :D
QuoteThe National Football League announced on Monday that Baltimore Ravens safety Ed Reed has been suspended for one game without pay for repeated violations of player safety rules that prohibit hits to the head and neck area of defenseless players.
In the third quarter of the Ravens' 13-10 win over the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday night, Reed was flagged for an unnecessary roughness penalty following a hit on wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders. The penalty was considered to be Reed's third violation in the past three seasons, resulting in today's suspension announcement.
The first of Reed's three violations occurred on Dec. 19, 2010, when Reed was penalized for roughing the passer and fined $10,000 for a hit to head and neck area of New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees. Reed's second violation came on Sept. 23, 2012 after Reed was flagged for unnecessary roughness and fined $21,000 for striking a defenseless play, New England Patriots wide receiver Deion Branch.
What a bunch of bullshit. That shot last night, he was leading with his shoulder, and the receiver zigged when he should've zagged.
Faggot ass league. Even after the loss, the league'll always make sure NFL Properties will still get theirs.
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 01:22:08 PM
Awesome. I bet that would throw the random Canadian (or American if he's a hockey fan) for a loop if they ever happened to see that bus.
You haven't been thrown for a loop until you see a bus named the "dong bang express"!
Can't believe Tim will win again because NOLO couldn't update his roster on time. <_<
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 19, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
Can't believe Tim will win again because NOLO couldn't update his roster on time. <_<
I completely forgot about the NFL this week. :Embarrass:
Quote from: ulmont on November 19, 2012, 10:23:18 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 19, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
Can't believe Tim will win again because NOLO couldn't update his roster on time. <_<
I completely forgot about the NFL this week. :Embarrass:
I don't understand. Did you forget to breathe?
Quote from: ulmont on November 19, 2012, 10:23:18 PM
I completely forgot about the NFL this week. :Embarrass:
Don't worry, Chicago didn't show up either.
Heh, I almost feel sorry for Chicago.
So that K-kid is pretty good eh. Alex Who?
Looks like the Reed suspension was overturned.
Yep fined 50 large instead
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 20, 2012, 07:54:30 AM
So that K-kid is pretty good eh. Alex Who?
He was sure fun to watch in college. The kid's been a sleeper.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 19, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
Can't believe Tim will win again because NOLO couldn't update his roster on time. <_<
3 Game Win Streak Baby! :yeah:
Quote from: sbr on November 20, 2012, 06:31:26 PM
Yep fined 50 large instead
Yeah, but he can live with that when the alternative was forfeiting his $430,000 game cheque. Everyone is happier with this result except for Goodell the Steeler-stooge.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 20, 2012, 07:39:11 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 19, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
Can't believe Tim will win again because NOLO couldn't update his roster on time. <_<
3 Game Win Streak Baby! :yeah:
:menace: Bring it.
Gronk. :(
Quote from: Count on November 21, 2012, 12:32:29 AM
Gronk. :(
Fuck him. Want to run up the score with your starters? Karma's a bitch. Too bad more Patriots didn't break shit.
Didn't he break it on an extra point, which is about the safest play in the NFL?
Maybe somebody put a little hot sauce on that forearm, to quote Bart Scott.
lol, Steelers signed Plaxico Burress. :lol:
I wonder if Batch has anything left?
He certainly has more in the tank than Leftwich does. Honestly, I was half expecting Steelhead shenanigans by having Batch in the huddle at the start of the game. He's old as dirt, but he's still got a cannon and wheels, something Leftwich doesn't have much of either left anymore.
Steelers lost their chance at the game the other night by not putting Batch in, when everybody in Western civilization saw that Leftwich couldn't breathe without hurting.
Yeah, it really was bizarre that Tomlin left him in. Really, when he underthrew Sanders by ten yards, you had to know something was wrong, even if you hadn't been paying attention to the obvious pain he'd been in ever since his run. And Ihedibo cleaning his clock didn't help.
Quote from: Neil on November 21, 2012, 12:46:57 AM
Didn't he break it on an extra point, which is about the safest play in the NFL?
Maybe somebody put a little hot sauce on that forearm, to quote Bart Scott.
Yeah it was a PAT. No idea how he broke it. Speaking of horrible people from Baltimore, I enjoyed seeing Bernard Pollard whiff on Leftwich in that big run in the first quarter. I can only assume the Steelers won in a romp after that.
Quote from: Count on November 21, 2012, 01:11:18 AM
Speaking of horrible people from Baltimore, I enjoyed seeing Bernard Pollard whiff on Leftwich in that big run in the first quarter. I can only assume the Steelers won in a romp after that.
It was a mercy whiff. Pollard didn't want to kill the poor bastard.
QuoteNew England Patriots coach Bill Belichick losing 'genius' aura and Rob Gronkowski injury is just the latest example
The longer Belichick goes without winning a Super Bowl after the Jets and the NFL put an end to his intricate spying operation of opponents' defensive signals, the more a case can be made that his championships deserve an asterisk.
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Gary Myers
Bill Belichick is certain to be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame five years after he's finished coaching - three titles gets him in - but to call him a football genius these days is completely outdated.
Although he always has one of the best teams in the NFL, and this season is no different, it's been seven seasons since Belichick last won the Super Bowl and his three championships in his first five years in New England all came prior to being exposed in the SpyGate scandal at the beginning of the 2007 season.
The longer Belichick goes without winning a Super Bowl after the Jets and the NFL put an end to his intricate spying operation of opponents' defensive signals, the more a case can be made that his championships deserve an asterisk.
The mystique and aura of Belichick has taken major hits.
He is supposed to be so much smarter than everybody else, so until now he has escaped criticism for his bizarre deployment of personnel in blowout games because it hasn't resulted in a major injury.
What sense does it make leaving Tom Brady in at the end of games with leads so big even the Patriots' putrid defense can hold them? Fortunately for Brady, nobody has taken a cheap shot at him as Belichick keeps dialing up touchdowns.
But how sick must Belichick feel now that he will be Gronk-less for the Thanksgiving Night game against the Jets at MetLife because he kept All-Pro tight end Rob Gronkowski on the extra point protection team after New England scored its eighth touchdown Sunday to take a 59-24 lead against the Colts with 3:55 remaining. Gronk broke his forearm and had surgery Monday.
"He is my All-Pro tight end and my quarterback's favorite receiver. I would get him off the field," an NFL source said Monday. "Don't expose him any more than he has to. Belichick can be second-guessed for that. I would. If it was a game-changing situation and we need to lock down the game, then use him. But what he did is not smart. It's not good business."
Belichick, who would not even acknowledge Monday that Gronkowski had surgery that's expected to keep him out 4-6 weeks, defended leaving Gronkowski on special teams at the end of Sunday's game, although he wasn't on the field for the offensive series.
"Football players play football," he said on WEEI in Boston. "You tell me which guys are going to get hurt and I'll get them out of there."
He added, "You have to be careful about pulling some guys and not others and sending the message that the team cares about one player more than the other."
However, the reality is some players are more important than others. Those players need to be protected when possible to minimize the risk of being injured.
The Jets, who might need to win their final six games to make the playoffs, certainly will benefit by Gronkowski's absence. He scored two touchdowns against them earlier this season in the Patriots' overtime victory in Foxborough.
Brady threw his last pass Sunday against the Colts with 5:32 left even though the Patriots led 52-24. Brady took the first 58 offensive snaps until he was finally replaced by Ryan Mallett for the three plays the Patriots ran on the last series. When the Patriots beat the Jets, 45-3, near the end of the 2010 season, Belichick had Brady take every snap.
"What are you doing? What sense does that make?" the source said. "If he didn't take the last three snaps, why did he take the last 15 before that? We're not that dumb and he's not that bright that we can't see the obvious. Coaches get blind to something. We put Belichick on a different pedestal and hold him to a different standard. Maybe it's time to take him off the pedestal. He's a mere mortal."
Belichick's teams have been successful since SpyGate, they just haven't won another title. New England became the first team to finish 16-0 in the regular season in 2007, but they lost to the 10-6 Giants in the Super Bowl. His 14-2 team in 2010 lost to the 11-5 Jets in the divisional round one month after beating them by 42 points. Last season, the Patriots finished 13-3 but lost to the 9-7 Giants in the Super Bowl.
Twice in the last five seasons, Belichick has been outcoached in the Super Bowl by Tom Coughlin.
If quarterbacks and coaches are judged by their rings, then Belichick and Brady have fallen on hard times the last eight years. In fact, Belichick's three championship teams were hardly dominant in the Super Bowl. They beat the Rams, Panthers and Eagles by just three points in each game.
Belichick needs to win a Super Bowl in the post-SpyGate era to restore the reputation he had before he was caught cheating. He can rationalize many different ways why he kept Gronkowski on the field, and why he keeps Brady in the game throwing the ball when the Patriots lead by four touchdowns, but when one of his best players gets hurt, it's time to adjust his approach.
He used to be a football genius. These days, he's just the coach in the hoodie with the sleeves cut off.
Fucking retarded, he's been to two superbowls since then, he lost them, but how many other coaches can even say that much?
And all other teams do this. I saw big list of teams leaving in their QBs with 3-4 touchdown leads with 5 minutes left in the game this year. They included Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 05:56:42 AM
Fucking retarded, he's been to two superbowls since then, he lost them, but how many other coaches can even say that much?
To get beat twice by Tom Coughlin is quite a feat in itself.
Now fuck off, Bang Dong.
I agree with you Tim, you can't fault him for letting Brady in. But there was no need for Gronk to be on an extrapoint squad.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 05:56:42 AM
Fucking retarded, he's been to two superbowls since then, he lost them, but how many other coaches can even say that much?
Coughlin, Tomlin and Caldwell.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2012, 07:15:15 AM
I agree with you Tim, you can't fault him for letting Brady in. But there was no need for Gronk to be on an extrapoint squad.
Why not? The extra point is the safest play in football, and he's no shrinking violet. All in all, this injury, while full of karma, is a freak injury.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 05:56:42 AM
Fucking retarded, he's been to two superbowls since then, he lost them, but how many other coaches can even say that much?
And all other teams do this. I saw big list of teams leaving in their QBs with 3-4 touchdown leads with 5 minutes left in the game this year. They included Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.
Have you SEEN the saints defense? They could give up 3-4 TDs in 5 minutes. :bowler:
Quote from: Neil on November 21, 2012, 08:39:57 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2012, 07:15:15 AM
I agree with you Tim, you can't fault him for letting Brady in. But there was no need for Gronk to be on an extrapoint squad.
Why not? The extra point is the safest play in football, and he's no shrinking violet. All in all, this injury, while full of karma, is a freak injury.
Is Tom Brady blocking on field goals too? It might be safe but it's a poor use of your leading receiver.
Gronk might be a TE but the NFL has change on what they do.
Quote from: Count on November 21, 2012, 01:11:18 AM
Quote from: Neil on November 21, 2012, 12:46:57 AM
Didn't he break it on an extra point, which is about the safest play in the NFL?
Maybe somebody put a little hot sauce on that forearm, to quote Bart Scott.
Yeah it was a PAT. No idea how he broke it. Speaking of horrible people from Baltimore, I enjoyed seeing Bernard Pollard whiff on Leftwich in that big run in the first quarter. I can only assume the Steelers won in a romp after that.
Pollard admitted his mistake and redeemed himself by sending Jericho Cotchery to dreamland on a key play in the 4th. He'll always be a hero for what he did to Brady.
One thing that I just cannot get over this week: that Jason Campbell still has a job in the NFL. The guy has not only never been good he has never even looked like he had the potential to be...yet this is his what 9th season?
Blockers on PAT attempts are never subbed out.
Quote from: Count on November 21, 2012, 10:24:12 AM
Blockers on PAT attempts are never subbed out.
Given his value as an offensive weapon I don't think Gronk should have been on special teams in the first place, save for maybe onside kick return.
Quote from: derspiess on November 21, 2012, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: Count on November 21, 2012, 10:24:12 AM
Blockers on PAT attempts are never subbed out.
Given his value as an offensive weapon I don't think Gronk should have been on special teams in the first place, save for maybe onside kick return.
But is he really that valuable? Remember, the Patriot Way is that every player, even Brady, is just a cog in the machine and can be easily replaced.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 05:56:42 AM
Fucking retarded, he's been to two superbowls since then, he lost them, but how many other coaches can even say that much?
Well, there's a certain mindset that say every coach or manager who doesn't win the championship is just another losers. This is just another example of that. It's more emotional than intellectual, and it leads to teams firing a coach who gets them into the playoffs every year with a record like 10-6 but doesn't win it all, and replacing him with a guy who's going to "take us to the next level', but then more often than not, it turns out that next level is 2-10. With Belichick, this is exacerbated by the fact that there's a lot about him that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. And since he has won it all in the past, there's a certain amount of sniping at him that's based on envy.
And there's of course also a backlash against him having been proclaimed a genius (or at least a "football genius") by a segment of the media. He shouldn't have been referred to in those terms in the first place--he's certainly a good coach, but I don't think that being a good and very successful coach means that you're a football genius. To me, the genius label goes to the guy who were the truly successful and innovative coaches--say, Paul Brown or Tom Landry (interestingly, Landry didn't really get that label, probably because it took several years for his team to actually start winning. The media focused more on his stoicism on the sidelines than his innovation).
Quote from: dps on November 21, 2012, 11:13:54 AM
(interestingly, Landry didn't really get that label, probably because it took several years for his team to actually start winning. The media focused more on his stoicism on the sidelines than his innovation).
Are you kidding? It only took about 5 seasons for him to turn the Cowboys around and then go straight on a 20 year winning streak, and he was already considered an innovator in the league by then for inventing the flex defense. "The media focused more on his stoicism on the sidelines than his innovation"...what fucking media were you watching?
Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2012, 09:13:16 AM
One thing that I just cannot get over this week: that Jason Campbell still has a job in the NFL. The guy has not only never been good he has never even looked like he had the potential to be...yet this is his what 9th season?
I thought he was decent in Oakland last year before going on IR. I'd take him over Carson Palmer right now.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on November 21, 2012, 05:06:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2012, 09:13:16 AM
One thing that I just cannot get over this week: that Jason Campbell still has a job in the NFL. The guy has not only never been good he has never even looked like he had the potential to be...yet this is his what 9th season?
I thought he was decent in Oakland last year before going on IR. I'd take him over Carson Palmer right now.
I'd take tattoo Pryor over Carson.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on November 21, 2012, 05:06:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2012, 09:13:16 AM
One thing that I just cannot get over this week: that Jason Campbell still has a job in the NFL. The guy has not only never been good he has never even looked like he had the potential to be...yet this is his what 9th season?
I thought he was decent in Oakland last year before going on IR. I'd take him over Carson Palmer right now.
No way. Jason Campbell is, has, and always will be a bum.
Quote from: Neil on November 21, 2012, 08:38:25 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 05:56:42 AM
Fucking retarded, he's been to two superbowls since then, he lost them, but how many other coaches can even say that much?
Coughlin, Tomlin and Caldwell.
I thought Caldwell only led the Colts to one? :unsure:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 06:38:51 PM
Quote from: Neil on November 21, 2012, 08:38:25 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 05:56:42 AM
Fucking retarded, he's been to two superbowls since then, he lost them, but how many other coaches can even say that much?
Coughlin, Tomlin and Caldwell.
I thought Caldwell only led the Colts to one? :unsure:
He led the Colts to one, but he was on the team for the other. I'm just taking advantage of 'coaches' as opposed to 'head coaches'.
Quote from: Neil on November 21, 2012, 07:48:21 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 06:38:51 PM
Quote from: Neil on November 21, 2012, 08:38:25 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 05:56:42 AM
Fucking retarded, he's been to two superbowls since then, he lost them, but how many other coaches can even say that much?
Coughlin, Tomlin and Caldwell.
I thought Caldwell only led the Colts to one? :unsure:
He led the Colts to one, but he was on the team for the other. I'm just taking advantage of 'coaches' as opposed to 'head coaches'.
Okay then, by that standard Bill Belichick's been to seven. He was defensive coordinator for the Giants when they won in 1986 and 1990.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 08:37:15 PM
Quote from: Neil on November 21, 2012, 07:48:21 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 06:38:51 PM
Quote from: Neil on November 21, 2012, 08:38:25 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 05:56:42 AM
Fucking retarded, he's been to two superbowls since then, he lost them, but how many other coaches can even say that much?
Coughlin, Tomlin and Caldwell.
I thought Caldwell only led the Colts to one? :unsure:
He led the Colts to one, but he was on the team for the other. I'm just taking advantage of 'coaches' as opposed to 'head coaches'.
Okay then, by that standard Bill Belichick's been to seven. He was defensive coordinator for the Giants when they won in 1986 and 1990.
Not since he won his last won one. What, don't you know how to read?
Quote from: Neil on November 21, 2012, 08:50:13 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 08:37:15 PM
Okay then, by that standard Bill Belichick's been to seven. He was defensive coordinator for the Giants when they won in 1986 and 1990.
Not since he won his last won one. What, don't you know how to read?
That's true, but I think it bolsters his claim to genius. How many coaches ever have won 5 Superbowls and gone to 2 more as the Head Coach/O or D coordinator?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 10:58:15 PM
That's true, but I think it bolsters his claim to genius. How many coaches ever have won 5 Superbowls and gone to 2 more as the Head Coach/O or D coordinator?
O or D coordinator doesn't count nearly as much as head coach. Anyone with half a brain would realize that.
Where the fuck did these two other Superbowl wins magically appear for Bellicheat?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 10:58:15 PM
Quote from: Neil on November 21, 2012, 08:50:13 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 08:37:15 PM
Okay then, by that standard Bill Belichick's been to seven. He was defensive coordinator for the Giants when they won in 1986 and 1990.
Not since he won his last won one. What, don't you know how to read?
That's true, but I think it bolsters his claim to genius. How many coaches ever have won 5 Superbowls and gone to 2 more as the Head Coach/O or D coordinator?
Not sure but that group excludes Belichick. :huh:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2012, 12:57:26 PM
Quote from: dps on November 21, 2012, 11:13:54 AM
(interestingly, Landry didn't really get that label, probably because it took several years for his team to actually start winning. The media focused more on his stoicism on the sidelines than his innovation).
Are you kidding? It only took about 5 seasons for him to turn the Cowboys around and then go straight on a 20 year winning streak, and he was already considered an innovator in the league by then for inventing the flex defense. "The media focused more on his stoicism on the sidelines than his innovation"...what fucking media were you watching?
Hmm. I suppose that my impression of how the media viewed him was already set before the cowboys won their first Super Bow. That was how he was portrayed at that time--The Mechanical Man, who never showed emotion on the sidelines.
Quote from: dps on November 21, 2012, 11:39:05 PM
Hmm. I suppose that my impression of how the media viewed him was already set before the cowboys won their first Super Bow. That was how he was portrayed at that time--The Mechanical Man, who never showed emotion on the sidelines.
True, but quite frankly--as someone who actually remembers--the man was already lumped next to Shula as Living Legend status by the 1970s. Hell, he was already considered a God while Chuck Knoll's biggest problem was trying to get past the Raiders.
Quote from: derspiess on November 21, 2012, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 10:58:15 PM
That's true, but I think it bolsters his claim to genius. How many coaches ever have won 5 Superbowls and gone to 2 more as the Head Coach/O or D coordinator?
O or D coordinator doesn't count nearly as much as head coach. Anyone with half a brain would realize that.
Neil brought that up, I just responded in kind.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2012, 12:17:56 AM
Quote from: dps on November 21, 2012, 11:39:05 PM
Hmm. I suppose that my impression of how the media viewed him was already set before the cowboys won their first Super Bow. That was how he was portrayed at that time--The Mechanical Man, who never showed emotion on the sidelines.
True, but quite frankly--as someone who actually remembers--the man was already lumped next to Shula as Living Legend status by the 1970s. Hell, he was already considered a God while Chuck Knoll's biggest problem was trying to get past the Raiders.
He was seen as both. The human computer who invented the 4-3 (or at least a version) to stop Jim Brown, the Flex to stop the Packers "Run to Daylight", calling plays from the sidelines, that goofy linemen stand up and back to stance during motion, use of motion on every play, and those made him a genius.
Quote from: PDH on November 22, 2012, 09:08:40 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2012, 12:17:56 AM
Quote from: dps on November 21, 2012, 11:39:05 PM
Hmm. I suppose that my impression of how the media viewed him was already set before the cowboys won their first Super Bow. That was how he was portrayed at that time--The Mechanical Man, who never showed emotion on the sidelines.
True, but quite frankly--as someone who actually remembers--the man was already lumped next to Shula as Living Legend status by the 1970s. Hell, he was already considered a God while Chuck Knoll's biggest problem was trying to get past the Raiders.
He was seen as both. The human computer who invented the 4-3 (or at least a version) to stop Jim Brown, the Flex to stop the Packers "Run to Daylight", calling plays from the sidelines, that goofy linemen stand up and back to stance during motion, use of motion on every play, and those made him a genius.
I guess my perception of how the media viewed Landry is skewed by the fact that I'm old enough to remember how the media was saw Lombardi as his superior.
The Pats were so terrible when I was a kid.
QuotePerhaps most eye-opening, especially for longtime fans, the 190-point four-game total is more than the 1990 Rod Rust Patriots had for the entire season (181).
EDIT: My bad, meant to post this in week 12.
Quote from: dps on November 22, 2012, 06:00:23 PM
I guess my perception of how the media viewed Landry is skewed by the fact that I'm old enough to remember how the media was saw Lombardi as his superior.
Lombardi was, is and ever will be everyone's superior.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 24, 2012, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: dps on November 22, 2012, 06:00:23 PM
I guess my perception of how the media viewed Landry is skewed by the fact that I'm old enough to remember how the media was saw Lombardi as his superior.
Lombardi was, is and ever will be everyone's superior.
True.