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Title: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Martinus on October 12, 2012, 01:57:33 AM
I just saw Stephen Colbert interview him, and the guy is a humourless, dour douchebag. Hell, Salman Rushdie was more of a jokester, and he has a fatwa on his head.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Sheilbh on October 12, 2012, 02:08:30 AM
Yes.  He has.  But The Smiths were great.

Salman's always been very funny.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Brazen on October 12, 2012, 04:23:31 AM
I told you years ago why you shouldn't admire Morrisey, Mart, especially his opinion on immigration.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Syt on October 12, 2012, 05:54:38 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 12, 2012, 01:57:33 AM
I just saw Stephen Colbert interview him, and the guy is a humourless, dour douchebag. Hell, Salman Rushdie was more of a jokester, and he has a fatwa on his head.

Was he worse than Assange?
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Grey Fox on October 12, 2012, 06:12:44 AM
:yes:
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Josquius on October 12, 2012, 06:15:48 AM
What was he being interviewed for?
And what douchy thing did he say? I guess since it has Marty up something about his sexuality?

But yes, he has always been a complete and utter pretentious dick.
Yet awesome at the same time.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
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Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Martinus on October 12, 2012, 09:25:17 AM
Quote from: Syt on October 12, 2012, 05:54:38 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 12, 2012, 01:57:33 AM
I just saw Stephen Colbert interview him, and the guy is a humourless, dour douchebag. Hell, Salman Rushdie was more of a jokester, and he has a fatwa on his head.

Was he worse than Assange?

Much worse. Assange did not go off tangent on tiresome tirades that had very little to do with questions asked by Colbert. Plus he (Morrisey) apparently required the entire building to be meat-free while he is there.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Martinus on October 12, 2012, 09:30:37 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 12, 2012, 06:15:48 AM
What was he being interviewed for?
And what douchy thing did he say? I guess since it has Marty up something about his sexuality?

But yes, he has always been a complete and utter pretentious dick.
Yet awesome at the same time.

When asked about the UK, he called it a dictatorship. When Colbert jokingly said that because of Morrisey's requirement that the building is "meat free" while he is there, Colbert missed his BLT sandwich and may pass out, he told Colbert not to joke about things like that.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Martinus on October 12, 2012, 09:32:06 AM
I gotta say that I used to be sympathetically neutral about vegetarians and vegans, but having witnessed some of them "in action", I'm beginning to think that they are dangerous fanatics that should be purged.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Ed Anger on October 12, 2012, 09:40:29 AM
I ate a bacon and scrambled egg pita this morning.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Grey Fox on October 12, 2012, 09:55:11 AM
Morrissey & I probably share ancestors. In their name, I am sorry. Also I will eat half a steak & throw the rest out in a balancing act to his BS vegan agenda.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 12, 2012, 09:32:06 AM
I gotta say that I used to be sympathetically neutral about vegetarians and vegans, but having witnessed some of them "in action", I'm beginning to think that they are dangerous fanatics that should be purged.

Yes, let's purge the whole lot of them because a few extremists are idiots. After all, if a few extremists are idiots, they must all be dangerous fanatics. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Neil on October 12, 2012, 10:22:01 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 12, 2012, 09:32:06 AM
I gotta say that I used to be sympathetically neutral about vegetarians and vegans, but having witnessed some of them "in action", I'm beginning to think that they are dangerous fanatics that should be purged.

Yes, let's purge the whole lot of them because a few extremists are idiots. After all, if a few extremists are idiots, they must all be dangerous fanatics. :rolleyes:
Don't forget Ide.  He also favours air forces, and so is double crazy.  And he's a lawyer.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Valmy on October 12, 2012, 10:43:13 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Yes, let's purge the whole lot of them because a few extremists are idiots. After all, if a few extremists are idiots, they must all be dangerous fanatics. :rolleyes:

Marty does not believe in half measures.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Legbiter on October 12, 2012, 10:55:48 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 12, 2012, 09:32:06 AM
I gotta say that I used to be sympathetically neutral about vegetarians and vegans, but having witnessed some of them "in action", I'm beginning to think that they are dangerous fanatics that should be purged.

Be kind, they're often chronically lacking in vital vitamins and minerals which leads to mental health issues.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Habbaku on October 12, 2012, 11:21:56 AM
Don't hate meat; hate Morrissey.

Answer : Yes, he's pretty much always been like that.  Not that he doesn't produce good music despite it, but, then, most musicians are nuts in their own special way.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 12, 2012, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on October 12, 2012, 11:21:56 AM
Answer : Yes, he's pretty much always been like that.

No shit.  I guess Marti slept through the 80s.

"Hey, these guys called the 'Sex Pistols'...are they, like, non-conformists or something?"
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Habbaku on October 12, 2012, 11:26:28 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Sheilbh on October 12, 2012, 11:33:11 AM
Well Morrissey's more open about his sexuality now. So he's probably just appeared on the Martidar : P
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: The Brain on October 12, 2012, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 12, 2012, 11:33:11 AM
Well Morrissey's more open about his sexuality now. So he's probably just appeared on the Martidar : P

He fucks lettuce?
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Ed Anger on October 12, 2012, 11:42:25 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 12, 2012, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 12, 2012, 11:33:11 AM
Well Morrissey's more open about his sexuality now. So he's probably just appeared on the Martidar : P

He fucks lettuce?

Squee
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 11:43:58 AM
Um, for the old Soccer Moms type out here... Who's Morrisey? :unsure:
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Valmy on October 12, 2012, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 11:43:58 AM
Um, for the old Soccer Moms type out here... Who's Morrisey? :unsure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrisey
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Ed Anger on October 12, 2012, 11:53:30 AM
I was amused when he forbade Cameron from liking the Smiths.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 12, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 12, 2012, 11:33:11 AM
Well Morrissey's more open about his sexuality now. So he's probably just appeared on the Martidar : P

Still won't fess up to mounting Michael Stipe like Secretariat.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 12, 2012, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 11:43:58 AM
Um, for the old Soccer Moms type out here... Who's Morrisey? :unsure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrisey

Yeah, no idea who he is. Sounds like a good thing. :)
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: PDH on October 12, 2012, 12:13:33 PM
Christ, Meri....you never heard of the Smiths?
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 12:14:30 PM
Quote from: PDH on October 12, 2012, 12:13:33 PM
Christ, Meri....you never heard of the Smiths?

Dunno. I'm really bad at knowing band names. Hum a few bars of something they've done and I'll let you know.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: garbon on October 12, 2012, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 12, 2012, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 11:43:58 AM
Um, for the old Soccer Moms type out here... Who's Morrisey? :unsure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrisey

Yeah, no idea who he is. Sounds like a good thing. :)

Though not sure Soccer Moms wouldn't know about him given that The Smiths are from the 80s.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Grey Fox on October 12, 2012, 12:25:12 PM
It takes 2, two, god damn S.

:ultra:
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 12, 2012, 12:15:38 PM
Though not sure Soccer Moms wouldn't know about him given that The Smiths are from the 80s.

Then I probably know some of their songs and just don't know that it's them since I never pay attention to that stuff.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: garbon on October 12, 2012, 12:29:16 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 12, 2012, 12:15:38 PM
Though not sure Soccer Moms wouldn't know about him given that The Smiths are from the 80s.

Then I probably know some of their songs and just don't know that it's them since I never pay attention to that stuff.

Fair enough. :)
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 12, 2012, 01:35:13 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 12, 2012, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 11:43:58 AM
Um, for the old Soccer Moms type out here... Who's Morrisey? :unsure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrisey

Yeah, no idea who he is. Sounds like a good thing. :)

Only song you'd likely recognize is How soon is now.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Habbaku on October 12, 2012, 03:22:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js_3GuxAgm0  :punk:
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Martinus on October 13, 2012, 02:31:10 AM
I once told Brazen that The Smiths' songs all have the same tune (or, none, for that matter) and she hated me. :(
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Martinus on October 13, 2012, 02:32:33 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 12, 2012, 01:35:13 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 12, 2012, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 11:43:58 AM
Um, for the old Soccer Moms type out here... Who's Morrisey? :unsure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrisey

Yeah, no idea who he is. Sounds like a good thing. :)

Only song you'd likely recognize is How soon is now.

I kept listening to "Panic" on loop during the last year's London riots.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: katmai on October 13, 2012, 02:33:57 AM
In sure he's no more of a douche than Marti.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: garbon on October 13, 2012, 03:55:14 AM
Quote from: katmai on October 13, 2012, 02:33:57 AM
In sure he's no more of a douche than Marti.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Scipio on October 13, 2012, 07:13:11 AM
Actually, in that interview he seemed the most human that I've ever seen him be.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Queequeg on October 13, 2012, 09:26:56 AM
Yes.  He's half the man Jarvis Cocker is, and The Smiths never did anything close to Different Class.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Martinus on October 13, 2012, 01:21:45 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on October 13, 2012, 09:26:56 AM
Yes.  He's half the man Jarvis Cocker is, and The Smiths never did anything close to Different Class.

Who is Jarvis Coker and Different Class?
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Queequeg on October 13, 2012, 02:32:42 PM
 :lol:
Your Anglophilia is shallow.  Jarvis Cocker is/was the lead singer of Pulp, Different Class was their best album.  I think of them as the 90's answer to The Smiths-all of Britpop was influenced by Morrisey, but Pulp was funnier and smarter than anything associated with that wretched man was ever able to be.  Some of the songs-most notably Common People-are also just way, way more fun than The Smiths. 
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: HVC on October 13, 2012, 02:36:53 PM
Queequeg is languish's Morrisey.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Queequeg on October 13, 2012, 02:37:51 PM
Quote from: HVC on October 13, 2012, 02:36:53 PM
Queequeg is languish's Morrisey.
:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: frunk on October 13, 2012, 04:32:56 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on October 13, 2012, 02:32:42 PM
:lol:
Your Anglophilia is shallow.  Jarvis Cocker is/was the lead singer of Pulp, Different Class was their best album.  I think of them as the 90's answer to The Smiths-all of Britpop was influenced by Morrisey, but Pulp was funnier and smarter than anything associated with that wretched man was ever able to be.  Some of the songs-most notably Common People-are also just way, way more fun than The Smiths.

Pulp was ok, but they traded extra levels of smarm for less interesting music compared to the Smiths.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Razgovory on October 13, 2012, 07:42:12 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 13, 2012, 03:55:14 AM
Quote from: katmai on October 13, 2012, 02:33:57 AM
In sure he's no more of a douche than Marti.

:thumbsup:

That would make him a world class douche.  He also doesn't seem to know the difference between empiricism and imperialism.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Josquius on October 13, 2012, 09:34:44 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 13, 2012, 01:21:45 PM


Who is Jarvis Coker and Different Class?
:o
:cry:
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Ideologue on October 14, 2012, 12:46:30 AM
Quote from: Neil on October 12, 2012, 10:22:01 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 12, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 12, 2012, 09:32:06 AM
I gotta say that I used to be sympathetically neutral about vegetarians and vegans, but having witnessed some of them "in action", I'm beginning to think that they are dangerous fanatics that should be purged.

Yes, let's purge the whole lot of them because a few extremists are idiots. After all, if a few extremists are idiots, they must all be dangerous fanatics. :rolleyes:
Don't forget Ide.  He also favours air forces, and so is double crazy.  And he's a lawyer.

A valid point was raised by a pal at work the other day about terror bombing, in that it's very likely to kill animals as well as civilians.  I had no ready answer to this critique. :(

Anyway, Morrissey was clearly considered a douche at least as far back as 1992.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQR78U6zvGI
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 02:10:46 AM
Quote from: frunk on October 13, 2012, 04:32:56 PM
Pulp was ok, but they traded extra levels of smarm for less interesting music compared to the Smiths.
Lot of words come to mind when I think of The Smiths.  Interesting isn't one of them.  Go with Gang of Four, New Order, Wire, or Roxy Music or something if you want interesting New Wave.  The Stone Roses and Happy Mondays were contemporaries of The Smiths, and way more interesting.  And better. 
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Pedrito on October 15, 2012, 02:13:56 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 02:10:46 AM
Quote from: frunk on October 13, 2012, 04:32:56 PM
Pulp was ok, but they traded extra levels of smarm for less interesting music compared to the Smiths.
Lot of words come to mind when I think of The Smiths.  Interesting isn't one of them.  Go with Gang of Four, New Order, Wire, or Roxy Music or something if you want interesting New Wave.  The Stone Roses and Happy Mondays were contemporaries of The Smiths, and way more interesting.  And better.
:facepalm:

That's why we are still getting Morrissey interviewed and Marr performing in a lot of recently released albums, after 30 years: because they were not interesting.

L.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Josquius on October 15, 2012, 02:33:28 AM
One thing with the Smiths is they made amazing singles.
And that's the sort of thing that gets remembered.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 02:56:30 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on October 15, 2012, 02:13:56 AM
:facepalm:

That's why we are still getting Morrissey interviewed and Marr performing in a lot of recently released albums, after 30 years: because they were not interesting.

L.
He gets interviewed a lot more frequently than Bryan Ferry or David Byrne, and nothing The Smiths every did was on par with Talking Heads or Roxy Music.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Martinus on October 15, 2012, 02:57:17 AM
I didn't know you could be a hipster nerd, but Spellus has it nailed down.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 02:58:45 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 15, 2012, 02:57:17 AM
I didn't know you could be a hipster nerd, but Spellus has it nailed down.
Hipsters are music nerds by definition.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 03:12:53 AM
Really, nerdiness is kind of a requisite. Don't you watch Portlandia or something? 
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 15, 2012, 03:56:56 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 15, 2012, 02:57:17 AM
I didn't know you could be a hipster nerd

:lol:
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Josquius on October 15, 2012, 04:18:07 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 02:58:45 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 15, 2012, 02:57:17 AM
I didn't know you could be a hipster nerd, but Spellus has it nailed down.
Hipsters are music nerds by definition.
Nah, hipsters are fakers. They know bands just obscure enough to paint themselves in a cool light yet still be able to talk about them. Get in depth and they're lost
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 05:19:16 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 15, 2012, 04:18:07 AM
Nah, hipsters are fakers. They know bands just obscure enough to paint themselves in a cool light yet still be able to talk about them. Get in depth and they're lost
Meh.  I don't agree.  I know hipsters who know far more about music than I do.  It's 2012, though, so as I have stated repeatedly I don't think that's a useful term anymore.  Now that skinny jeans and thick, black acetate glasses have been replaced by straight leg and thin tortoiseshell or metal, the entire image has been reversed. 
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 15, 2012, 05:24:12 AM
So it's ok for hipsters to have leg muscles now? Cool.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 05:35:32 AM
The 510 look (super-super skinny) died in 2011.  511s (skinny), 514s (somewhat skinny) and 505s (barely skinny) will be around, but I think 501 is the place to go.  Shrink to fit, at least.  I just shrank my 1947 501s yesterday. 
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Martinus on October 15, 2012, 06:13:42 AM
To me "hipster" describes a certain attitude which criticises the things that are popular with the mainstream just for the sake of it, and for similar reasons is fascinated with the obscure. This describes Spellus's attitude on everything, from history (Armenia was the best) to music (this thread) to cinema (Pulp Fiction sucks).
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: garbon on October 15, 2012, 07:08:53 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 03:12:53 AM
Really, nerdiness is kind of a requisite.

That's really not true at all.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Josquius on October 15, 2012, 07:15:15 AM
Hipsters to me are 'cool', attractive people who steal and subvert indie culture, not out of any genuine interest in indie but purely to further their own apparent coolness and attractiveness. Its a totally negative word.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: PDH on October 15, 2012, 07:31:06 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 02:10:46 AM

Lot of words come to mind when I think of The Smiths.  Interesting isn't one of them.  Go with Gang of Four, New Order, Wire, or Roxy Music or something if you want interesting New Wave.  The Stone Roses and Happy Mondays were contemporaries of The Smiths, and way more interesting.  And better.

Spellus, you are such a myopic idiot. 

The Smiths ARE interesting because they changed the face of independent rock in the mid 1980s.  From the rather uninteresting trends in artificial that New Wave was becoming, the Smiths (along with their American counterparts REM) basically put guitars back into focus.  It is no surprise that the two "contemporaries" you list hit it after the Smiths broke up - the landscape had changed.  All that, and Morrissey is a douche.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: frunk on October 15, 2012, 08:04:56 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 02:10:46 AM
Lot of words come to mind when I think of The Smiths.  Interesting isn't one of them.  Go with Gang of Four, New Order, Wire, or Roxy Music or something if you want interesting New Wave.  The Stone Roses and Happy Mondays were contemporaries of The Smiths, and way more interesting.  And better.

I was comparing the Smiths to Pulp, not all of New Wave.  Of course there are better bands from the 80s and from New Wave (many of which you didn't list) but Pulp isn't one of them, particularly musically.  The Smiths were much better at smoothing out otherwise awkward lyrics into the rhythm of the song.  With Pulp it sounds like the music and lyrics were generated independently and jammed together come what may.  It's ok to listen to occasionally, but it gets grating after an extended period.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Drakken on October 15, 2012, 10:34:00 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on October 13, 2012, 09:26:56 AM
Yes.  He's half the man Jarvis Cocker is, and The Smiths never did anything close to Different Class.

"Disco 2000" and "I Spy" for the win.   :bowler:

Although I know Pulp was there already there in the late 80s I've always felt that Different Class was a big, smarm "fuck you" to the domination of Blur and Oasis' kind of britpop music at the time. Not that it doesn't make it a good album; in fact, it's what makes it a great album.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Ed Anger on October 15, 2012, 11:47:12 AM
I hate your music. Damn kids these days.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 12:04:01 PM
QuoteThat's really not true at all.
If you were to run in to a kid with a rat tail, a nature t-shirt, big, square mid-60s glasses, too-tight jeans and a moustache who couldn't stop talking about the greatest early-80s German Nigerian funk band in 1998, what would your reaction be? How about in 2008?
Quote
To me "hipster" describes a certain attitude which criticises the things that are popular with the mainstream just for the sake of it, and for similar reasons is fascinated with the obscure. This describes Spellus's attitude on everything, from history (Armenia was the best) to music (this thread) to cinema (Pulp Fiction sucks).
It's as much-probably more-fetishizing the obscure and authentic as criticizing the popular.  I think the two (obscure history geek and hipster) overlap relatively comfortably. 
QuoteSpellus, you are such a myopic idiot. 
.......but a decent troll because no one can tell when I am faking.  :lol:

The Smiths were probably the biggest influence on Stone Roses and Happy Mondays.  The Stone Roses is one of my favorite albums of all time, so I recognize that their influence, at least, was crucial.  The revival of the airy, guitar-dominated 60s sound by Johnny Mars & Co. was extremely important on the British scene.  However, I think it's hard to overstate how much the Stone Roses and other Madchester acts were influenced by wanting to turn away from The Smiths.  Stone Roses focus almost entirely on hoakey, twee romantic fantasy because in 1989 people were already really, really tired of The Smiths' schtick.  Madchester and later Britpop was pretty resolutely pissed at the pseudo-intellectual babble and upper middle class affectation of The Smiths. 

I also think are really overstating your case.  That's true from what I know of the British scene, but I don't think Sonic Youth, Fugazi or Pixies were ever that REM influenced.  They were all more influenced by Post-Punk and Post-Hardcore.  Thus, I don't think it is at all fair to ascribe to Morrisey Bryan Ferry, Brian Eno or David Byrne status.  He just isn't up there, and it's annoying to me that he gets more press than those three men combined just because he's a bigger asshole. (Or at least a more public one than Byrne.)

Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Razgovory on October 15, 2012, 12:06:15 PM
God, you are boring. 
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Jacob on October 15, 2012, 12:14:55 PM
I thought it was mildly interesting :)
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: garbon on October 15, 2012, 12:20:21 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 12:04:01 PM
If you were to run in to a kid with a rat tail, a nature t-shirt, big, square mid-60s glasses, too-tight jeans and a moustache who couldn't stop talking about the greatest early-80s German Nigerian funk band in 1998, what would your reaction be? How about in 2008?

He'd be an asshole.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: PDH on October 15, 2012, 12:20:48 PM
You underestimate the influence of the Georgia sound on early 1980s American Alternative, Spellus.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 03:12:16 PM
Quote from: PDH on October 15, 2012, 12:20:48 PM
You underestimate the influence of the Georgia sound on early 1980s American Alternative, Spellus.
Possible.  But I think you're underestimating how different Post-Hardcore was from REM.  They're both important for American Alternative, but just because they fuse doesn't mean they had the same starting point.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: katmai on October 15, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
This thread has taught me that neither Morissey nor Marti are anywhere as big a douche as Spellus.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Martinus on October 15, 2012, 03:23:57 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 15, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
This thread has taught me that neither Morissey nor Marti are anywhere as big a douche as Spellus.
:showoff:
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 15, 2012, 03:26:25 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 15, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
This thread has taught me that neither Morissey nor Marti are anywhere as big a douche as Spellus.

I hope you mean the poet Jose Marti and not Martinus, cause really QQ's offense here is quite minimal.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: katmai on October 15, 2012, 03:29:41 PM
Don't tell me who I mean Teach.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 15, 2012, 03:34:57 PM
I didn't. I told you who I hoped you meant. :contract:
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: garbon on October 15, 2012, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 15, 2012, 03:23:57 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 15, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
This thread has taught me that neither Morissey nor Marti are anywhere as big a douche as Spellus.
:showoff:

Sadly Kat does seem about right on that. :(
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 15, 2012, 03:37:54 PM
He was comparing a bunch of 80s bands I don't care about to each other, so I kinda tuned out. vOv
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: The Minsky Moment on October 15, 2012, 03:42:56 PM
Oops, wrong thread.

I'm looking for winemakers, not whinemakers.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Neil on October 15, 2012, 05:23:31 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 15, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
This thread has taught me that neither Morissey nor Marti are anywhere as big a douche as Spellus.
Hey now.  Spellus is a bit of a mean-spirited jerk (as all hipsters are), but at least he's not gay.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Jacob on October 15, 2012, 05:31:40 PM
Spellus and Moz are on about the same level, but in entirely different spheres. They've got their heads up their own ass with some frequency, but occasionally produce something interesting.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Queequeg on October 15, 2012, 06:08:26 PM
 :lol:  That I can accept.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Razgovory on October 15, 2012, 07:07:54 PM
I like Spellus, he's just pedantic as all hell.  He's probably corner you at party and breathlessly tell you about Scythians mathematics.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Ed Anger on October 15, 2012, 07:10:37 PM
Ugh.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: PDH on October 16, 2012, 07:38:14 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 15, 2012, 07:07:54 PM
He's probably corner you at party and breathlessly tell you about Scythians mathematics.

It'd better be breathless, fucker's always in the garlic dip and he stands too close.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Capetan Mihali on October 16, 2012, 09:18:41 AM
Quote from: PDH on October 15, 2012, 12:20:48 PM
You underestimate the influence of the Georgia sound on early 1980s American Alternative, Spellus.

Pylon.  ^_^
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 16, 2012, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: PDH on October 15, 2012, 12:20:48 PM
You underestimate the influence of the Georgia sound on early 1980s American Alternative, Spellus.

Ah yes, the Georgia Satellites.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: PDH on October 16, 2012, 09:39:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 16, 2012, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: PDH on October 15, 2012, 12:20:48 PM
You underestimate the influence of the Georgia sound on early 1980s American Alternative, Spellus.

Ah yes, the Georgia Satellites.

I got a little change in my pocket going shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: Brazen on October 16, 2012, 09:53:27 AM
Quote from: frunk on October 15, 2012, 08:04:56 AM
The Smiths were much better at smoothing out otherwise awkward lyrics into the rhythm of the song. 
It's probably due to the way they wrote. Johnny Marr wrote the guitar part first without any thought to subsequent lyrics and Morrisey wrote emo poetry that, for the most part, fit. The lyrics to "How Soon Is Now?" entirely waste of one of the most original and sweepingly grandiose guitar pieces of the 80s IMHO.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 16, 2012, 09:57:40 AM
Quote from: PDH on October 16, 2012, 09:39:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 16, 2012, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: PDH on October 15, 2012, 12:20:48 PM
You underestimate the influence of the Georgia sound on early 1980s American Alternative, Spellus.

Ah yes, the Georgia Satellites.

I got a little change in my pocket going shut the fuck up.

:P  REMtard.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 16, 2012, 10:02:39 AM
Quote from: Brazen on October 16, 2012, 09:53:27 AM
Quote from: frunk on October 15, 2012, 08:04:56 AM
The Smiths were much better at smoothing out otherwise awkward lyrics into the rhythm of the song. 
It's probably due to the way they wrote. Johnny Marr wrote the guitar part first without any thought to subsequence lyrics and Morrisey wrote emo poetry that, for the most part, fit. The lyrics to "How Soon Is Now?" entirely waste of one of the most original and sweepingly grandiose guitar pieces of the 80s IMHO.

I concur wholeheartedly with the incredibly intelligent busty Brit babe on this one, and not just with "HSIN";  Morrisey's sophomoric whaa-nobody-likes-me emoism has ruined more than one Smiths' work.

Shame they never released true instrumental only recordings.
Title: Re: Has Morrisey always been such a douche?
Post by: PDH on October 16, 2012, 10:37:53 AM
Oscillate Wildly was an instrumental, though until the collections it was a B-side.