Watching BBC news earlier and there was a item about the protest against the Prophet Muhammad film; thought it a bit odd, but couldn't place it, then the penny dropped, it was the use of the word prophet.
I've heard the "Prophet Muhammad" used two or three times recently on bbc news and it sounded to my ears a relatively recent 'innovation'
So a bit of googling shows that in all but one instance, it's now appears de rigueur when reporting about Muhammad on the bbc website that he has to be referred to as the "Prophet Muhammad".
Is this the result of some recent bbc change of policy, just something in the bbc in-house style guide or have I not been aware of it and it's been a long-standing practice ?
However, I can't shake off the feeling this might be another example of trying to not offend people religious beliefs.
So long as they do so for all the other Prophets it is all good. I presume they also say 'Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ' as well right?
As England gets more Mohamed's you have to differentiate from the holy guy and the kabob street vendor lol
Quote from: HVC on September 25, 2012, 04:15:51 PM
As England gets more Mohamed's you have to differentiate from the holy guy and the kabob street vendor lol
That is true. Mohammed Smith might think the story is about him.
Quote from: Valmy on September 25, 2012, 04:17:10 PM
Quote from: HVC on September 25, 2012, 04:15:51 PM
As England gets more Mohamed's you have to differentiate from the holy guy and the kabob street vendor lol
That is true. Mohammed Smith might think the story is about him.
:lol:
That's like being more catholic than the pope.. even mohammed ibn abdullah (yeah, that was his name) agreed that infidels didn't have to acknowledge him as the prophet.
But then again that was when he was influenced by the satanic verses when he agreed to that so.. yeah.. maybe not. It like as if they used "Our Saviour Jesus Christ" when referring to the historical person Jesus.
Quote from: Valmy on September 25, 2012, 04:15:29 PM
So long as they do so for all the other Prophets it is all good. I presume they also say 'Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ' as well right?
Yes, in part that was my reaction, but I'm not at all sure I'm right about this as googling doesn't turn up any real evidence one way or the other, excepting what I put in the op.
It just sounds odd hearing this on the bbc television news.
It's no different that calling You Know Who "Jesus Christ".
Jesus was his name - Christ (or Christos) is just the Greek translation of "Saviour" or "Messiah".
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 04:30:04 PM
It's no different that calling You Know Who "Jesus Christ".
Jesus was his name - Christ (or Christos) is just the Greek translation of "Saviour" or "Messiah".
Ah good point.
I think Joseph and Mary Christ would beg to differ.
Well someone else has notice this and posted about it in the last couple of weeks:
http://notasheepmaybeagoat.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/whose-prophet-bbc-respond.html (http://notasheepmaybeagoat.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/whose-prophet-bbc-respond.html)
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 04:30:04 PM
It's no different that calling You Know Who "Jesus Christ".
Jesus was his name - Christ (or Christos) is just the Greek translation of "Saviour" or "Messiah".
Yeah, using his real last name, Rabinowitz, would look a bit weird wouldn't it?
Quote from: PDH on September 25, 2012, 04:33:20 PM
I think Joseph and Mary Christ would beg to differ.
I may have been in my early teens by the time I realized that wasn't a surname :Embarrass:
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 04:30:04 PM
It's no different that calling You Know Who "Jesus Christ".
Jesus was his name - Christ (or Christos) is just the Greek translation of "Saviour" or "Messiah".
Saving oh course the Beeb, doesn't appear to have any policy in how he's named in articles, sometime it's Jesus Christ other time just plain Jesus, whereas now it appears mandatory to refer to the "Prophet Mohammad", the "prophet Mohammad" isn't enough.
Quote from: Razgovory on September 25, 2012, 04:39:30 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 04:30:04 PM
It's no different that calling You Know Who "Jesus Christ".
Jesus was his name - Christ (or Christos) is just the Greek translation of "Saviour" or "Messiah".
Yeah, using his real last name, Rabinowitz, would look a bit weird wouldn't it?
Since he spoke Aramaic, I think it unlikely he had a Yiddish last name. :hmm:
Jesus of Nazareth was his full name.
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2012, 04:40:12 PM
Quote from: PDH on September 25, 2012, 04:33:20 PM
I think Joseph and Mary Christ would beg to differ.
I may have been in my early teens by the time I realized that wasn't a surname :Embarrass:
I had a student in my Western Civ class get mad because I said Jesus was a Jew.
I'd save my ire until the BBC has to say "peace be upon him" after Mohammed's name. :D
Quote from: PDH on September 25, 2012, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2012, 04:40:12 PM
Quote from: PDH on September 25, 2012, 04:33:20 PM
I think Joseph and Mary Christ would beg to differ.
I may have been in my early teens by the time I realized that wasn't a surname :Embarrass:
I had a student in my Western Civ class get mad because I said Jesus was a Jew.
:lol:
Quote from: mongers on September 25, 2012, 04:35:44 PM
Well someone else has notice this and posted about it in the last couple of weeks:
http://notasheepmaybeagoat.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/whose-prophet-bbc-respond.html (http://notasheepmaybeagoat.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/whose-prophet-bbc-respond.html)
He dismissed as "tosh" the explaination that they use the term "prophet Mohammed" to avoid confusion ... but then he goes on to advocate using "the Islamic prophet Mohammed", which is just silly. It isn't like other religions have prophets named Mohammed, is it?
Quote from: PDH on September 25, 2012, 04:44:02 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2012, 04:40:12 PM
Quote from: PDH on September 25, 2012, 04:33:20 PM
I think Joseph and Mary Christ would beg to differ.
I may have been in my early teens by the time I realized that wasn't a surname :Embarrass:
I had a student in my Western Civ class get mad because I said Jesus was a Jew.
I bet he's not going to like his marks, either. :D
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 04:42:49 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 25, 2012, 04:39:30 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 04:30:04 PM
It's no different that calling You Know Who "Jesus Christ".
Jesus was his name - Christ (or Christos) is just the Greek translation of "Saviour" or "Messiah".
Yeah, using his real last name, Rabinowitz, would look a bit weird wouldn't it?
So, lots of people in the US speak English and have a Yiddish last name.
Since he spoke Aramaic, I think it unlikely he had a Yiddish last name. :hmm:
Jesus of Nazareth was his full name.
Quote from: Malthus on September 25, 2012, 04:48:06 PM
I'd save my ire until the BBC has to say "peace be upon him" after Mohammed's name. :D
Heh, I was just thinking the exact same thing.
But you know me I'm the type to go overboard on 'bbc bashing', so I'll hold my ire until then, it just sounds rather odd to hear it on the BBC.
Oh, and here's a more confrontational Jew's opinion on the issue from a couple of days ago :P
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/24/something-is-wrong (http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/24/something-is-wrong)
Quote
Something Is Wrong
By Ben Stein on 9.24.12 @ 8:27AM
.....
I am referring to something worse: Have you noticed that in the past few years, and especially in the past few weeks since the murder of the Ambassador and his guards and colleague in Benghazi (a city that Erwin Rommel loved and whose inhabitants he praised), whenever the New York Times refers to Mohammed, they always call him, without quotation marks, The Prophet Mohammed, as if everyone with any sense understands that OF COURSE Mohammed is The One True Prophet and that it's just understood that Mohammed is The Prophet.
I see this in other news outlets and on TV, too. Sober-looking newsmen and newswomen mention Mohammed as The Prophet Mohammed. No ifs, ands or buts. I hear it on the BBC World Service, too.
Now, if Muslims want to believe that Mohammed is The Prophet, God bless them. Fine and dandy. If anyone wants to believe that, good luck to him or her. But why does our mainstream media here in the USA, an overwhelmingly Christian country, refer to Islam's prophet as "The Prophet"?
Have you ever seen any major newspaper here in the USA refer to Jesus Christ as "The Son of God, God Incarnate, The Lord Jesus Christ"? Can you imagine the New York Times running a story about a crucifix resting in urine at an "art gallery" as an offense against "The Lord Jesus, Son of God"? Can you imagine any large newspaper in this country running a story about the Pope and referring to him as "The Holy Father, The Bridge Between Heaven and Earth"? Or about Mary, as "Holy Mary, Mother of God"? It would never happen.
But somehow, probably because the people writing the articles and editing them or the producers on TV news shows fear being beheaded -- and who doesn't? -- we have adopted in our media the Muslim assertion that Mohammed is The Prophet while giving other religious figures the back of our media hand.
This is frightening. We are not supposed to be doing obeisance to a religious group that has many adherents who want us dead. We are not, as journalists, supposed to be labeling anyone as "The" Prophet. But somehow, it's happening. The MSM has become a voice for Islam.
.....
Quote from: Malthus on September 25, 2012, 04:53:27 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 25, 2012, 04:35:44 PM
Well someone else has notice this and posted about it in the last couple of weeks:
http://notasheepmaybeagoat.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/whose-prophet-bbc-respond.html (http://notasheepmaybeagoat.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/whose-prophet-bbc-respond.html)
He dismissed as "tosh" the explaination that they use the term "prophet Mohammed" to avoid confusion ... but then he goes on to advocate using "the Islamic prophet Mohammed", which is just silly. It isn't like other religions have prophets named Mohammed, is it?
Hey, I'm not supporting the guy; he's his own sort of nutter, I'm my own sort. :cool:
Just the first google response that someone else had noticed it.
Quote from: mongers on September 25, 2012, 04:56:16 PM
By Ben Stein on 9.24.12 @ 8:27AM
We are not, as journalists,
Economist, actor, game show host, GOP activist, pundit... He needs to pick a career and stick to it, sheesh.
Quote from: mongers on September 25, 2012, 04:56:16 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 25, 2012, 04:48:06 PM
I'd save my ire until the BBC has to say "peace be upon him" after Mohammed's name. :D
Heh, I was just thinking the exact same thing.
But you know me I'm the type to go overboard on 'bbc bashing', so I'll hold my ire until then, it just sounds rather odd to hear it on the BBC.
Oh, and here's a more confrontational Jew's opinion on the issue from a couple of days ago :P
As a confrontational Jew, he should have made a crack about how people call Jesus "Jesus
Christ" without blinking an eyelid. :P
I'm afraid I'll have to confiscate his confrontational Jew cred.
Why bring Erwin Rommel into this? Poor Ben Stein. Reduced to writing for the American Spectator. It's been a long fall from having a bit part in Frerris Beuller's Day Off.
Ben Stein is a crackpot, if you doubt it just look at his movie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed
Quote from: Viking on September 25, 2012, 05:09:05 PM
Ben Stein is a crackpot, if you doubt it just look at his movie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed
OK maybe I should have quoted your rather than him. :D
Quote from: Razgovory on September 25, 2012, 04:55:54 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 04:42:49 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 25, 2012, 04:39:30 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 04:30:04 PM
It's no different that calling You Know Who "Jesus Christ".
Jesus was his name - Christ (or Christos) is just the Greek translation of "Saviour" or "Messiah".
Yeah, using his real last name, Rabinowitz, would look a bit weird wouldn't it?
So, lots of people in the US speak English and have a Yiddish last name.
Since he spoke Aramaic, I think it unlikely he had a Yiddish last name. :hmm:
Jesus of Nazareth was his full name.
Goddamn it Raz, why can't you get this shit right?
That's a good point raz. Raz should listen to you more often.
Quote from: Viking on September 25, 2012, 05:09:05 PM
Ben Stein is a crackpot, if you doubt it just look at his movie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed
Didn't he do the "Bueller...anybody?" bit.
Also when I was younger I had a game called Game of Life and IIRC one of the bills had him on it.
In shows I've seen they use it and just Mohammed. A bit like Christ, Jesus and Jesus Christ are all used for variety in a script. In both cases the 'prophet' or 'Christ' bit is often added to mark the start of their religious career.
I think part of it is explanation, I've also heard 'the prophet Bahuallah' in a show that touched on the Bahai. I've not seen anything about Hinduism in ages, but I'd expect them to use 'the God, Vishnu'. I've also heard many books referred to as holy texts.
In terms of TV problems and Islam, the Tom Holland situation's far worse.
What's wrong with "Prophet Muhammad"? Doesn't everyone agree that Muhammad was in fact a prophet? :huh:
Of course, a lot of people think that he was a false prophet... but a prophet nonetheless. :sleep:
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 25, 2012, 06:35:28 PM
In shows I've seen they use it and just Mohammed. A bit like Christ, Jesus and Jesus Christ are all used for variety in a script. In both cases the 'prophet' or 'Christ' bit is often added to mark the start of their religious career.
I think part of it is explanation, I've also heard 'the prophet Bahuallah' in a show that touched on the Bahai. I've not seen anything about Hinduism in ages, but I'd expect them to use 'the God, Vishnu'. I've also heard many books referred to as holy texts.
In terms of TV problems and Islam, the Tom Holland situation's far worse.
No Shelf, I'm specifically talking about it's use on the bbc news website and on the bbc news channel/news broadcasts, were there appears to be guidelines on the issue.
Obviously in shows produced by other bbc departments, commissioned series and other broadcasters there is more variance in and degree of editorial control.
Quote from: Caliga on September 25, 2012, 06:42:16 PM
What's wrong with "Prophet Muhammad"? Doesn't everyone agree that Muhammad was in fact a prophet? :huh:
Of course, a lot of people think that he was a false prophet... but a prophet nonetheless. :sleep:
That would assume the existence of one or more gods who choose to communicate with humans.
Not really, it assumes Mohammed's belief. In terms of news you could make a similar argument about the common description of the Pope's 'urbi et orbit' as 'addressing the faithful'.
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 25, 2012, 07:13:40 PM
Not really, it assumes Mohammed's belief. In terms of news you could make a similar argument about the common description of the Pope's 'urbi et orbit' as 'addressing the faithful'.
I note you've not responded to me specific point about it's blanket use by BBC news.
Q: Why does The Times refer to Muhammad as the Prophet Muhammad, but not refer to Jesus Christ in the same way?
A: "We try as much as possible to respect the terms and language used by religious groups. Muslims routinely refer to Muhammad as "the Prophet Muhammad," but I'm not aware of any Christian denominations that use 'the Prophet Jesus.'"
http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/on-identifying-a-rape-victim-naming-a-prophet-and-nate-silvers-role-the-public-editor/
I'm not sure what your more specific point is I'm afraid.
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 25, 2012, 07:23:21 PM
I'm not sure what your more specific point is I'm afraid.
I think I made it pretty clear, re-read the OP; that the BBC has a policy of always referring to Mohammad as the "Prophet Mohammad".
Okay, so the issue is that they always do it, not the content of the word 'prophet'?
As far as I can remember they've always done it, but the name crops up more lately. I'd guess it's a style guide decision for consistency.
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 25, 2012, 07:41:06 PM
Okay, so the issue is that they always do it, not the content of the word 'prophet'?
As far as I can remember they've always done it, but the name crops up more lately. I'd guess it's a style guide decision for consistency.
Well it always being capitalised is interesting; I'd be happier with bbc journalists being able to use whatever they feel is appropriate for their piece.
Personally, I'd be happier with "the alleged prophet Mohammad". ;)
Quote from: mongers on September 25, 2012, 07:45:54 PM
Personally, I'd be happier with "the alleged prophet Mohammad". ;)
:lol: Our Alleged Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
As opposed to his brother, Jerry Christ.
The false prophet and the false messiah. :Joos
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 08:55:43 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 25, 2012, 07:45:54 PM
Personally, I'd be happier with "the alleged prophet Mohammad". ;)
:lol: Our Alleged Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
As opposed to his brother, Jerry Christ.
Incidentally that spelling and phase in quotation marks give me first place on google:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=%22the+alleged+prophet+Mohammad%22&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest
Will they now fatawaize me ? :unsure:
Quote from: Viking on September 25, 2012, 04:23:08 PM
That's like being more catholic than the pope.. even mohammed ibn abdullah (yeah, that was his name) agreed that infidels didn't have to acknowledge him as the prophet.
But then again that was when he was influenced by the satanic verses when he agreed to that so.. yeah.. maybe not. It like as if they used "Our Saviour Jesus Christ" when referring to the historical person Jesus.
Actually, my impression is that "Jesus Christ" and "Christ" do, in fact, get used an awful lot. Christos is a title as much as theos or soter. Edit: I see this has been addressed.
Tangentially related: a guy I work with once made a comment about so many Hispanics named Jesus. He thought it was weird that they would name themselves after their God.
His name?
Joshua.
Quote from: Phillip V on September 25, 2012, 07:21:51 PM
Q: Why does The Times refer to Muhammad as the Prophet Muhammad, but not refer to Jesus Christ in the same way?
A: "We try as much as possible to respect the terms and language used by religious groups. Muslims routinely refer to Muhammad as "the Prophet Muhammad," but I'm not aware of any Christian denominations that use 'the Prophet Jesus.'"
http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/on-identifying-a-rape-victim-naming-a-prophet-and-nate-silvers-role-the-public-editor/
Probably because Christians don't believe Jesus was a prophet.
Quote from: Caliga on September 25, 2012, 06:42:16 PM
What's wrong with "Prophet Muhammad"? Doesn't everyone agree that Muhammad was in fact a prophet? :huh:
Of course, a lot of people think that he was a false prophet... but a prophet nonetheless. :sleep:
Yeah, not seeing the problem myself. If they were to have to refer to, say, Jeremiah at some point, I wouldn't think it unusual if they were to refer to him as "the Prophet Jeremiah" or think that was some sort of endorsement of Judism.
Quote from: dps on September 25, 2012, 10:26:12 PM
Yeah, not seeing the problem myself.
That's because there isn't one.
I don't like it. Feels like pandering.
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2012, 10:42:51 PM
I don't like it. Feels like pandering.
Don't recall you having an issue with the Prophet Archie Griffin.
Jesus Christ, why cant you people be content with calling the prophet, peace be upon him, by his full name?
Quote from: Ideologue on September 25, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
Tangentially related: a guy I work with once made a comment about so many Hispanics named Jesus. He thought it was weird that they would name themselves after their God.
His name?
Joshua.
You're pulling our leg.
Good guy, though.
I once read something that amused me in an article published by the Royal Ontario Museum about an exhibit of early peruvian gold masks.
The writer of the article stated that the peruvians made the masks to depict their "... imaginary gods".
I read that to my wife and we both had a good laugh - I mean, why was the qualifier necessary? :lol: Aren't all gods essentially imaginary? And even if you are a believer and feel your own god(s) are real, surely there can't be anyone nowadays who believes in the early peruvian ones, or who are likely to start believing by seeing these masks.
Anyway, it's been a bit of an in-joke with us ever since. Sometimes when one of us stubs our toe, or otherwise feels the need to curse, we exclaim "Oh, the imaginary gods!"
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 10:58:03 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2012, 10:42:51 PM
I don't like it. Feels like pandering.
Don't recall you having an issue with the Prophet Archie Griffin.
I had a problem with him as a Bengal. He had twice as many fumbles as TDs.
Quote from: Ideologue on September 25, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
Tangentially related: a guy I work with once made a comment about so many Hispanics named Jesus. He thought it was weird that they would name themselves after their God.
His name?
Joshua.
We have at my gym a personal trainer whose name is Mohammed. He's a former Mr. Universe and they heavily advertise his services. Which makes for some amusing ads.
"Want a better body? Let Mohammed show you how". :D
As a follower of early Peruvian gods I am deeply offended by Malthus's dismissal of what I hold so dear to me. Besides shouldn't he be fasting all day and begging forgiveness today.
Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2012, 09:36:20 AM
"Want a better body? Let Mohammed show you how". :D
I hope somwhere there is a gigolo named Mohammed.
'For a good time call Mohammed.'
Quote from: Josephus on September 26, 2012, 10:03:53 AM
As a follower of early Peruvian gods I am deeply offended by Malthus's dismissal of what I hold so dear to me. Besides shouldn't he be fasting all day and begging forgiveness today.
*My* imaginary gods don't require fasting and begging. :showoff:
Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2012, 10:11:52 AM
*My* imaginary gods don't require fasting and begging. :showoff:
Maybe, but at least *your* imaginary god required you to atone today. ATONE FOR YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS AGAINST THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE GOD OF ISRAEL!!11
Do they refer to Benedict XVi as the Pope or the Holy Father? I guess it could be a good comparison.
Can't wait for them to start to include PBUH.
Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2012, 09:36:20 AM
We have at my gym a personal trainer whose name is Mohammed. He's a former Mr. Universe and they heavily advertise his services. Which makes for some amusing ads.
"Want a better body? Let Mohammed show you how". :D
Fighting jihad on your flab since 570 CE
No Ramadam, no iron buns
I'll get me robe
Quote from: Valmy on September 26, 2012, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2012, 10:11:52 AM
*My* imaginary gods don't require fasting and begging. :showoff:
Maybe, but at least *your* imaginary god required you to atone today. ATONE FOR YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS AGAINST THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE GOD OF ISRAEL!!11
Hey, just because I'm a Jew doesn't mean I actually have to
believe all that early Iron Age stuff. :yucky:
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2012, 10:20:48 AM
Do they refer to Benedict XVi as the Pope or the Holy Father? I guess it could be a good comparison.
Can't wait for them to start to include PBUH.
Yeah, he's called the Pope more than Benedict. Holy Father not so much.
Quote from: HVC on September 25, 2012, 04:15:51 PM
As England gets more Mohamed's you have to differentiate from the holy guy and the kabob street vendor lol
Yeah, and every time they say "Praise Jesus" they really mean Kevin Alejandro character from True Blood.
Quote from: Gups on September 26, 2012, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2012, 10:20:48 AM
Do they refer to Benedict XVi as the Pope or the Holy Father? I guess it could be a good comparison.
Can't wait for them to start to include PBUH.
Yeah, he's called the Pope more than Benedict. Holy Father not so much.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant that calling him the "Holy Father" would be the equivalent of calling Muhammed a Prophet. The Pope is just a "secular title" so to speak, like the President or the King.
In Polish tv, the Pope is sometimes referred to as the Holy Father, which I find quite irksome.
Quote from: Valmy on September 26, 2012, 10:10:19 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2012, 09:36:20 AM
"Want a better body? Let Mohammed show you how". :D
I hope somwhere there is a gigolo named Mohammed.
'For a good time call Mohammed.'
I thought the headlines about Jesus being Madonna's latest fuck were the best. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2012, 10:11:52 AM
Quote from: Josephus on September 26, 2012, 10:03:53 AM
As a follower of early Peruvian gods I am deeply offended by Malthus's dismissal of what I hold so dear to me. Besides shouldn't he be fasting all day and begging forgiveness today.
*My* imaginary gods don't require fasting and begging. :showoff:
Isn't Yom Kippur about it, essentially? :P
Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2012, 10:23:04 AM
Hey, just because I'm a Jew doesn't mean I actually have to believe all that early Iron Age stuff. :yucky:
What does participating in ancient and beloved cultural practices have to do with believing anything? :P
I just thought I'd like to be invited to a gay wedding of two Spaniards: Jose Maria and Jesus. I would keep the invitations just to show to people.
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2012, 10:27:26 AM
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant that calling him the "Holy Father" would be the equivalent of calling Muhammed a Prophet. The Pope is just a "secular title" so to speak, like the President or the King.
In Polish tv, the Pope is sometimes referred to as the Holy Father, which I find quite irksome.
He's lucky he's not jsut called the Bishop of Rome.
Generally speaking the BBC is chronically deferential to all and anything religious especially given that the country is one of the most non-religious in the world.
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2012, 10:27:26 AM
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant that calling him the "Holy Father" would be the equivalent of calling Muhammed a Prophet. The Pope is just a "secular title" so to speak, like the President or the King.
In Polish tv, the Pope is sometimes referred to as the Holy Father, which I find quite irksome.
Well, Catholicism is pretty much your state religion, isn't it? I've only heard devout Catholics refer to him that way.
Quote from: Valmy on September 26, 2012, 10:32:39 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2012, 10:23:04 AM
Hey, just because I'm a Jew doesn't mean I actually have to believe all that early Iron Age stuff. :yucky:
What does participating in ancient and beloved cultural practices have to do with believing anything? :P
Well, I'll think about that over lunch - I'm having pork chops. With a glass of milk. ;)
Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2012, 11:52:38 AM
Well, I'll think about that over lunch - I'm having pork chops. With a glass of milk. ;)
Oy vey :Joos
It's never too early to start working on the list of things to repent for the next year.
The BBC doesn't want to get murdered by the religion of peace. I think most posters here feel the same.
some funny jokes in this thread, though they'd probably chop your head off for making them given the subtext.
as for the original: it's nonsens to call that one a prophet. ICC customer is closer to the mark
Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2012, 11:52:38 AM
Well, I'll think about that over lunch - I'm having pork chops. With a glass of milk. ;)
You're not really a Jew are you? Sure you can quote Biblical law that says you are, but you obviously don't observe the law. ;)
Quote from: Josephus on September 26, 2012, 01:12:58 PM
You're not really a Jew are you? Sure you can quote Biblical law that says you are, but you obviously don't observe the law. ;)
I'm a
bad Jew. :ph34r:
Still a member of the tribe, though. You don't stop being a Jew by being non-observant.
Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2012, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 26, 2012, 01:12:58 PM
You're not really a Jew are you? Sure you can quote Biblical law that says you are, but you obviously don't observe the law. ;)
I'm a bad Jew. :ph34r:
You're gonna have to be more specific.
Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2012, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 26, 2012, 01:12:58 PM
You're not really a Jew are you? Sure you can quote Biblical law that says you are, but you obviously don't observe the law. ;)
I'm a bad Jew. :ph34r:
Still a member of the tribe, though. You don't stop being a Jew by being non-observant.
Even Ron Jeremy observes Yom Kippur. ;)
Quote from: Josephus on September 26, 2012, 01:21:45 PM
Even Ron Jeremy observes Yom Kippur. ;)
He has more to atone for. :D
Anyway, aside from being Jewish - and of course genital size - Ron and I have nothing in common. :P
Quote from: dps on September 26, 2012, 02:19:53 PM
Not sure about that--AFAIK, Ron Jeremy has never posted on Languish. :)
Find a Languishite that can actually suck his own dick, and then you'll have a point.
No, wait. Don't do that. Don't wanna know.
That isn't such a great feat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDss8V2OME4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDss8V2OME4)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 26, 2012, 02:30:44 PM
That isn't such a great feat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDss8V2OME4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDss8V2OME4)
No way in hell I'm clicking on that. :lol:
It's on youtube, can't be that bad. :contract:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 26, 2012, 03:04:08 PM
It's on youtube, can't be that bad. :contract:
:huh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpd2-b4n-wE
Quote from: The Brain on September 26, 2012, 03:13:24 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 26, 2012, 03:04:08 PM
It's on youtube, can't be that bad. :contract:
:huh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpd2-b4n-wE
I'm even less likely to click *that* link. :lol:
I clicked it and found The Rock in the suggested column to the side. :showoff:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2012, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: dps on September 26, 2012, 02:19:53 PM
Not sure about that--AFAIK, Ron Jeremy has never posted on Languish. :)
Find a Languishite that can actually suck his own dick, and then you'll have a point.
No, wait. Don't do that. Don't wanna know.
awww fuck, I think I just threw out my back.
Quote from: Malthus on September 26, 2012, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 26, 2012, 01:12:58 PM
You're not really a Jew are you? Sure you can quote Biblical law that says you are, but you obviously don't observe the law. ;)
I'm a bad Jew. :ph34r:
this reads like the beginning of "50 shades of Jew" to me. :hmm:
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 27, 2012, 02:19:59 AM
this reads like the beginning of "50 shades of Jew" to me. :hmm:
Sadly, I'm "bad" in ways that are unlikely to titilate the bored housewife demographic. :(
If it's straps across the ass they seek, CdM's your writer, not me. :D
Quote from: Malthus on September 27, 2012, 09:02:10 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 27, 2012, 02:19:59 AM
this reads like the beginning of "50 shades of Jew" to me. :hmm:
Sadly, I'm "bad" in ways that are unlikely to titilate the bored housewife demographic. :(
If it's straps across the ass they seek, CdM's your writer, not me. :D
I suddenly have this image of a housewife gasping 'tell me again how you eat pork and mix meat and cheese baby!'
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2012, 09:13:06 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 27, 2012, 09:02:10 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 27, 2012, 02:19:59 AM
this reads like the beginning of "50 shades of Jew" to me. :hmm:
Sadly, I'm "bad" in ways that are unlikely to titilate the bored housewife demographic. :(
If it's straps across the ass they seek, CdM's your writer, not me. :D
I suddenly have this image of a housewife gasping 'tell me again how you eat pork and mix meat and cheese baby!'
that has to be good for at least two chapters...
edit: put stuff in right place.
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2012, 09:13:06 AM
I suddenly have this image of a housewife gasping 'tell me again how you eat pork and mix meat and cheese baby!'
He probably works on Saturday too.
Quote from: Valmy on September 27, 2012, 09:13:06 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 27, 2012, 09:02:10 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 27, 2012, 02:19:59 AM
this reads like the beginning of "50 shades of Jew" to me. :hmm:
Sadly, I'm "bad" in ways that are unlikely to titilate the bored housewife demographic. :(
If it's straps across the ass they seek, CdM's your writer, not me. :D
I suddenly have this image of a housewife gasping 'tell me again how you eat pork and mix meat and cheese baby!'
Heh, if that worked I'd do it.*
*If I were not married.