lolz
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So...anyhow....there's a game tonight.
Thursday, Sep. 20
N.Y. Giants at Carolina 8:20 pm NFL Network Bank of America Stadium
Sunday, Sep. 23
St. Louis at Chicago 1:00 pm FOX Soldier Field
Cincinnati at Washington 1:00 pm CBS FedEx Field
Detroit at Tennessee 1:00 pm FOX LP Field
Kansas City at New Orleans 1:00 pm CBS Mercedes-Benz Superdome
San Francisco at Minnesota 1:00 pm FOX Mall of America Field
N.Y. Jets at Miami 1:00 pm CBS Sun Life Stadium
Buffalo at Cleveland 1:00 pm CBS Cleveland Browns Stadium
Tampa Bay at Dallas 1:00 pm FOX Cowboys Stadium
Jacksonville at Indianapolis 1:00 pm CBS Lucas Oil Stadium
Atlanta at San Diego 4:05 pm FOX Qualcomm Stadium
Philadelphia at Arizona 4:05 pm FOX University of Phoenix Stadium
Pittsburgh at Oakland 4:25 pm CBS O.co Coliseum
Houston at Denver 4:25 pm CBS Sports Authority Field
New England at Baltimore 8:20 pm NBC M&T Bank Stadium
Monday, Sep. 24
Green Bay at Seattle 8:30 pm ESPN CenturyLink Field
Go CamEli!
Hakeem Nicks is out for week three (tonight) with a foot injury.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/20249170/giants-wr-hakeem-nicks-wont-play-vs-panthers-on-thursday
E: So are Hixon and Bradshaw.
Wow that was an easy opening drive by the Giants. I think only one 3rd down, and Eli just went ahead and threw a TD pass instead of going for the sticks.
Carolina was expecting to be playoff team this year?
Snooze.
Gonna go watch Asian clown tentacle rape balloon porn.
:lol:
Great tribute to Steve Sabol at halftime, though. Used his own words, the way it should be.
Perk of Hawks on Monday means I get to see Niners-Vikes in morning.
One of the ESPN yahoos (Hoge or Jaworski) said Belichek can't take Ray Rice away from the Ravens, only the Ravens can take Ray Rice away from the Ravens.
Stats from Nick Scurfield:
Arian Foster is on pace to be the 3rd fastest running back in NFL history to 5,000 yards from scrimmage behind Eric Dickerson and Edgerrin James.
Jerry Rice had 3,029 yards through 37 games. Emmitt Smith had 3,368. Walter Payton had 3,974. Foster has 4,633.
Foster currently has more scrimmage yards through 37 games than every one of the NFL's top 10 all time leaders.
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Dude can play.
Quote from: sbr on September 23, 2012, 03:26:24 AM
One of the ESPN yahoos (Hoge or Jaworski) said Belichek can't take Ray Rice away from the Ravens, only the Ravens can take Ray Rice away from the Ravens.
Ain't that the fucking truth.
The best New England coordinator on the field tonight will be Cam Cameron.
Torrey Smith may not play tonight; apparently he left the team, as his little brother died in a motorcycle accident in Virginia early this AM.
Yikes.
Murdercycles.
Oh great, ESPN's playing the 2007 Patriots-Ravens game highlights. Rex Ryan's retroactive time-out.
Fuck that shit. I'm putting on my copy of the 2009 Wild Card game.
Hey guys, did you know Mark Sanchez is a "3rd-generation Mexican-American"?? I had almost forgotten, until The NFL Today graciously reminded me :rolleyes:
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2012, 11:26:39 AM
Hey guys, did you know Mark Sanchez is a "3rd-generation Mexican-American"?? I had almost forgotten, until The NFL Today graciously reminded me :rolleyes:
:lol: He doesn't even speak Spanish. Some New Yorker he is. :rolleyes:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 23, 2012, 11:30:07 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2012, 11:26:39 AM
Hey guys, did you know Mark Sanchez is a "3rd-generation Mexican-American"?? I had almost forgotten, until The NFL Today graciously reminded me :rolleyes:
:lol: He doesn't even speak Spanish. Some New Yorker he is. :rolleyes:
That's the part I love most. My 18-month old daughter probably knows more Spanish than he does.
One of the networks did a big segment on him a couple years ago, talking about how significant it was to finally have a Latino starting QB. Then towards the end, almost as a footnote they mentioned he didn't know any Spanish.
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2012, 11:33:22 AM
One of the networks did a big segment on him a couple years ago, talking about how significant it was to finally have a Latino starting QB. Then towards the end, almost as a footnote they mentioned he didn't know any Spanish.
Hell, he even said it himself a few weeks after the draft, how they crowned him the face of the Latino-American NFL*; said it was kinda weird to be put in that position, said he didn't even speak Spanish.
*Meanwhile, Tony Gonzalez is like, WTF, man?
Lolz, love the Bengals first play from scrimmage. Wildcat, 70-some yard pass from Sanu to AJ Green. We're usually the ones that get punked on plays like that :D
Nfl.com showed the Vikings td before the tv did. :hmm:
Very impressed with Christian ponder. This is the first time I have watched him play but his poise and decision making has been very nice so far.
Edit: And he almost grows a pick.
So after one half of play the Romosexual has amassed a whopping zero fantasy points for me. He was stuck at -1 for a while after his pick.
Can't be disappointed with the Bengals so far, despite Dalton throwing an INT *into* his own endzone and the fake FG that cost 3 almost guaranteed points. Defense has played extremely well so far but a 14 point lead is not enough to feel safe against RG3 in the second half.
Motherf$cker I benched jamaal Charles for green-Ellis in my money league.
I think Shanahan is turning colors in the sun. In the last shot he looked bright purple.
Very satisfying Bears win over San Luis. Six sacks and counting, Rams held to 157 total yards offence when I left the game with 4 and a half to play.
Lions hail Mary. :lol:
Bengals hold on to beat the RG3's. Nothing is ever easy, FFS.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 23, 2012, 03:04:06 PM
Very satisfying Bears win over San Luis. Six sacks and counting, Rams held to 157 total yards offence when I left the game with 4 and a half to play.
I was unsatisfied.
Hmm, Sanchez was able to pick up his own fumble so instead he tried to throw a pick.
That is two--TWO-fucking hits on Raiders receivers with no fucking flags; Streeter's helmet-to-helmet shot on the sideline, followed by Heyward-Bey's defenseless receiver shot in the end zone; crown of the helmet right in the facemask. Fucking unreal.
Dead Raiders certainly don't break my heart, but I see NFL Properties briefed out the replacement refs as well when it comes to calling games with Pittsburgh. Unfuckingbelieveable.
I miss jack tatum.
After NiNers shit performance. Christian Ponder?!?! WTF!
I can at least take solace that have J. Jones and Gronk in fantasy team while Nolo has no one left and we are tied.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 23, 2012, 06:13:55 PM
That is two--TWO-fucking hits on Raiders receivers with no fucking flags; Streeter's helmet-to-helmet shot on the sideline, followed by Heyward-Bey's defenseless receiver shot in the end zone; crown of the helmet right in the facemask. Fucking unreal.
Dead Raiders certainly don't break my heart, but I see NFL Properties briefed out the replacement refs as well when it comes to calling games with Pittsburgh. Unfuckingbelieveable.
The Heyward-Bey one was right in front of an official. WTF.
The determination of the replacement refs to give every game to the home team bodes well for tonight. Then again, they're also under orders from Goodell to ensure that the Steelers and Patriots win henever possible.
Last three undefeated teams, Houston (okay understandable), Atlanta (also not a stretch), Arizona (wtf!)
BA's pants are a dairy factory!
lol, Tha Raidahs.
Yeah, I'll take it.
Just saw that hit on Heyward-Bey. What the fucking fuck. Replacement refs are a joke.
That was the best anthem they've had in a while.
I have 46 poins, 23 of those come from the Chicago defense. Lolz.
They are going to bring the heat on that prettyboy Uggs-wearing asshole all night.
Enough about Flacco, what will Ravens D do about Brady?
Quote from: katmai on September 23, 2012, 07:40:25 PM
what will Ravens D do about Brady?
Let's hope they're not looking past them to the Browns on Thursday night.
D'oh.
Quote from: sbr on September 23, 2012, 07:44:31 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 23, 2012, 07:43:10 PM
D'oh.
:lol: I just got home, what happened?
Usual white boy bullshit from the Patriots. Welker found a hole on the sideline and did the white lighting thing.
Edit: Oh, hello, Edelman.
So it's gonna be that kind of a night. Alrighty, then.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 23, 2012, 09:05:36 AM
Quote from: sbr on September 23, 2012, 03:26:24 AM
One of the ESPN yahoos (Hoge or Jaworski) said Belichek can't take Ray Rice away from the Ravens, only the Ravens can take Ray Rice away from the Ravens.
Ain't that the fucking truth.
The best New England coordinator on the field tonight will be Cam Cameron.
Bumped for relevancy.
5 yard patterns on 3rd and 6 are undesirable.
Why are Ravens so intimidated by Pats.
Baby cries, Baby gets what Baby wants.
Fucking shit. I want to vomit.
Belichick looks more evil than usual tonight. Wonder what it is? :hmm:
You knew this whole thing was going to turn into a soap opera.
How about Flacco stops throwing it to pats?
Fuck you, Belichick. Hope your heart explodes, like Vince Wilfork's will in about 6 years from now.
About time. Man, these replacements really love trying to call offensive pass interference. I think that the NFL forgot to tell them that the receiver can do no wrong in A Passing League.
Collingsworth called it, though: either these refs are going to lose control of the game very quickly, or they're gonna lock it down hardcore.
Eh heh heh heh
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That was a fucking PlayStation stop by Upshaw. Only I lose that kind of yardage on a reverse.
God, now they're playing Seven Nation Army as bumper music. Shut the fuck up with that, fans.
Bucs defense played good but sadly the offense missed the flight from Florida and they had to play a bunch of random Bucs fans in their place. :Embarrass:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 23, 2012, 08:39:18 PM
God, now they're playing Seven Nation Army as bumper music. Shut the fuck up with that, fans.
Sorry, but that's been the "unofficial" theme song for the last couple years. Gonna have to live with it.
Beats listening to a drunken asshole from Middle River with an air horn all night.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 23, 2012, 08:39:18 PM
God, now they're playing Seven Nation Army as bumper music. Shut the fuck up with that, fans.
Never go to Ohio stadium. You'll hear that tune constantly.
Jacoby makin plays. Is he the #2 or #3 WR there? Don't know who all is on the Ravens roster these days.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 23, 2012, 08:33:37 PM
Collingsworth called it, though: either these refs are going to lose control of the game very quickly, or they're gonna lock it down hardcore.
Things seem to have chilled a bit.
Third or fourth.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 23, 2012, 08:43:59 PM
Sorry, but that's been the "unofficial" theme song for the last couple years. Gonna have to live with it.
Beats listening to a drunken asshole from Middle River with an air horn all night.
It's been more than a couple years. The first I remember hearing a crowd do it was during Pedo State games, then fans of other teams have slowly started doing it as well. It's almost as bad as Zombie Nation.
Quote from: Ed AngerNever go to Ohio stadium. You'll hear that tune constantly.
The shit is everywhere anyway.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 23, 2012, 08:44:19 PM
Jacoby makin plays. Is he the #2 or #3 WR there? Don't know who all is on the Ravens roster these days.
#3. Boldin and Torrey Smith are the starters. Still, he's playing like the Ravens surgically implanted velcro on his hands or something, so he's actually a pretty solid player. He made good plays against Cincy and was a bad offensive PI call away from willing the game in Philly.
Just imagine what the Texans would look like with this year's Jacoby, along with Leach and Pollard. *shudder*
Oh fuck, what a move by the Mormon Tight End Formerly Known As Todd Heap.
What the fuck was that!?
Bench that motherfucker!
I guess they thought that Pitta would just go out of bounds?
Quote from: Neil on September 23, 2012, 08:46:51 PM
#3. Boldin and Torrey Smith are the starters. Still, he's playing like the Ravens surgically implanted velcro on his hands or something, so he's actually a pretty solid player. He made good plays against Cincy and was a bad offensive PI call away from willing the game in Philly.
That's good. He wasn't a douche, or at least didn't act like it during games and all that. Maybe all he needed was a change of scenery.
QuoteJust imagine what the Texans would look like with this year's Jacoby, along with Leach and Pollard. *shudder*
They wouldn't have been able to afford them all anyway. Jacoby had to go after that playoff game + with his history of drops/muffs/etc no matter what though.
Nice TD there.
Good shot!
"The lack of pass rush is just killing the Ravens right now."
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 23, 2012, 09:00:16 PM
"The lack of pass rush is just killing the Ravens right now."
Yeah, it hurts to watch the whole dline overrun Brady.
Edelman!
Feels dirty rooting for the Pats, but they if they win I get to enjoy the Bengals being in sole possession of first place for a weekor so.
I'm going to go throw up and go to bed. Fuck this shit.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 23, 2012, 09:14:42 PM
I'm going to go throw up and go to bed. Fuck this shit.
Yeah, seeing Hines Ward will do that to ya.
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2012, 09:21:55 PM
Yeah, seeing Hines Ward will do that to ya.
I think he blindsided a 4 year old on the club level on his way to the booth.
Ray Rice :wub:
Quote from: katmai on September 23, 2012, 07:03:27 PM
BA's pants are a dairy factory!
It's been a good day. Now if the Ravens and Ray Rice kick the shit out of the Patriots, it will be a very good day. Side note: Beating Derspiess in fantasy due to Bengals' production amuses me. :cool:
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on September 23, 2012, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: katmai on September 23, 2012, 07:03:27 PM
BA's pants are a dairy factory!
It's been a good day. Now if the Ravens and Ray Rice kick the shit out of the Patriots, it will be a very good day. Side note: Beating Derspiess in fantasy due to Bengals' production amuses me. :cool:
If I have to give up a loss on one or the other, I'll take the fantasy loss :)
edit: Binns did at least offset some of Dalton's points.
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2012, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on September 23, 2012, 09:58:53 PM
It's been a good day. Now if the Ravens and Ray Rice kick the shit out of the Patriots, it will be a very good day. Side note: Beating Derspiess in fantasy due to Bengals' production amuses me. :cool:
If I have to give up a loss on one or the other, I'll take the fantasy loss :)
edit: Binns did at least offset some of Dalton's points.
Totally agree.
Quote from: katmai on September 23, 2012, 08:00:45 PM
Why are Ravens so intimidated by Pats.
You'd be scared too if you realized that you didn't have a pass rush, and so your only chance to get pressure was to run big blitzes that allow for easy 10-12 yard completions to Welker and Lloyd.
Ravens should have kicked on that 4th down.
Man - Carson Palmer continues to put up huge fantasy numbers for me. :mellow:
Two points down on MBM, but with two players playing Monday compared to zero for my opposition. :cool:
Neil. I meant more the offense when they weren't using rice in first half. But thanks for explaining d side.
Pitta is fucking up my team. :(
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2012, 10:21:25 PM
Ravens should have kicked on that 4th down.
Yeah. The whole point of Tucker over Cundiff was to make that play.
Refs win.
For the love of Christ, enough with the refs already, Commissioner Goodell.
This ravens game has some weird calls going. Well, more so then the other games this season.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 23, 2012, 10:38:36 PM
For the love of Christ, enough with the refs already, Commissioner Goodell.
It looks like NFL Properties agenda is more important to the refs than favouring the home team.
You were saying Neil? :lol:
Quote from: katmai on September 23, 2012, 10:51:34 PM
You were saying Neil? :lol:
That's something else. The Pats D went full retard.
Whoa
I'm getting too old for this shit.
What a game.
Pats just got robbed
:lol: I wish they could play every week.
And that was fucking close, too.
LOL @ Belichick grabbing a ref and screaming at him.
Whelp, I guess I'll go unban Timmay now.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 23, 2012, 10:57:17 PM
LOL @ Belichick grabbing a ref and screaming at him.
Please tell me there's a gif of that in about 20 minutes :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 23, 2012, 10:54:56 PM
I'm getting too old for this shit.
I wanted the ravens to win, but missing that kick would have been the perfect end to this game lol
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 23, 2012, 10:58:34 PM
Whelp, I guess I'll go unban Timmay now.
no need to be so rash :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 23, 2012, 10:58:34 PM
Whelp, I guess I'll go unban Timmay now.
Yeah. Now it's time to gloat.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 23, 2012, 10:57:17 PM
LOL @ Belichick grabbing a ref and screaming at him.
Justified, the officiating was terrible all game long.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 23, 2012, 11:07:27 PM
Justified, the officiating was terrible all game long.
The fine and hopefully suspension will be justified as well.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 23, 2012, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 23, 2012, 10:57:17 PM
LOL @ Belichick grabbing a ref and screaming at him.
Justified, the officiating was terrible all game long.
it was terrible both ways so in a weird way it was fair :D
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 23, 2012, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 23, 2012, 10:57:17 PM
LOL @ Belichick grabbing a ref and screaming at him.
Justified, the officiating was terrible all game long.
Someone ban this jerk-off.
And to make the evening even sweeter, the Ravens winning with offence rather than defence sealed my LFFL win.
I'll get my first LFFL win unless Cedric benson scores 30 points tomorrow.
In my money league Aaron Rodgers needs to out score jordy Nelson by 4.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 23, 2012, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 23, 2012, 10:57:17 PM
LOL @ Belichick grabbing a ref and screaming at him.
Justified, the officiating was terrible all game long.
You get what you pay for...so the officiating was spot on. The irony is that Kraft will lose more than the $2 million wanted by the refs if the Pats miss the playoffs (or even get a bad seeding). He has only himself to blame.
Quote from: Strix on September 24, 2012, 08:26:50 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 23, 2012, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 23, 2012, 10:57:17 PM
LOL @ Belichick grabbing a ref and screaming at him.
Justified, the officiating was terrible all game long.
You get what you pay for...so the officiating was spot on. The irony is that Kraft will lose more than the $2 million wanted by the refs if the Pats miss the playoffs (or even get a bad seeding). He has only himself to blame.
Well, not that much money. After all, the worst that the Patriots will finish is 3rd seed. They have the easiest schedule in the league, and play in a horseshit division. The Texans can say the same thing, so the Ravens/Steelers are probably going to need 13 wins for a first-round bye, and probably 14 if they're hoping for homefield advantage. With the strength of the Ravens schedule, and their desperate lack of a pass rush (although they did get it done last night with the game on the line), 13 wins is going to be awfully difficult. Steelers-Chargers-Steelers and Broncos-Giants-Bengals are going to be killer runs.
The Breaking Point (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8419514/replacement-refs-ravens-patriots-game)
QuoteIf, as is the case with almost everyone my age, you got used to the basic flow of a football game by watching it on TV every Sunday, the effect of what's going on out there this year is jarring. There is an almost palpable sense of ambivalence and uncertainty. Plays no longer end when they should. The fans in the stadiums — and the fans watching at home and, god knows, the gambling community in both places — have an obvious moment in which everybody wonders if something completely screwy is going to happen. The ongoing long con occasioned by locking out real officials has accomplished one thing — it's buried forever any notion that an NFL game is predictable. Early in the second quarter, while going out of bounds, Baltimore's Anquan Boldin reached out with the ball, trying to get it past the first-down marker before he went to the ground. The referees ruled the play short of the stick. Then, they decided to measure. By now, both Belichick and Harbaugh were performing enthusiastic pantomime on the sidelines. The measurement also showed the Ravens as a yard or two short, whereupon Harbaugh challenged the spot. Under the curtain went referee Bruce Hermansen, while Belichick explained things in great bovine detail to one of the other officials. Finally, after an interminable delay, the call was reversed. The Ravens got their first down, and we all at last got to compliment Anquan Boldin for the heady play he'd made. I'm not willing to make nice with these guys because a scab's a scab, and because, occasionally, it looks as though Goodell found these guys because they all had the correct lucky number on page 42 of tonight's program.
Quote"Hey, youngblood, be careful, or you're gonna get fined."
Ed Reed was shouting over a scrum of reporters in the general direction of Lardarius Webb, who was attempting to be diplomatic, and wasn't exactly being Talleyrand about the whole business. "So," Webb explained, acknowledging Reed with a wave, "if you see me ripping off my hat out there, it's because it doesn't fit, OK? It's not because I'm angry at the referees. Make sure you write that down. 'Not mad at the referees.'"
"I let 'em do their job and I focus on what I have to do," Webb later said. "It's hard to focus on what you have to do when you've also got to worry about how they're doing their jobs. We have to worry about what is holding and what isn't."
Ray Lewis, who's been around long enough not to care, was a little more direct. "That's another subject and I really don't want to go there and damage the win, but you can't do that to the game," he said. "You have to let the game take care of itself. The saddest thing about it is when you hear other people talk about it and say, those are the rules. Those aren't the rules. The rules of this game are — do whatever you have to do, by whatever means necessary.
(Not for nothing, but this is not a turn of phrase that Ray Lewis ought to be using, given events earlier in his life. We continue, however.)
"That's the beautiful thing about this game. It takes away the pureness of the game. We have to find a way to address it. You can't let guys keep going through that. This is our livelihood. People make careers out of this right here. Some of the things they say to you, as men, you can't speak to a man like that, just because you have on a black-and-white uniform. Be a man about your call and, if there's any indecision, don't make a call like that to affect the game. Something needs to change."
He may be fined for saying that. Lardarius Webb may be fined for his little tap dance along the edge. Bill Belichick will almost certainly be fined for his little contretemps with the official after the game. The players are outraged. The coaches are outraged. The fans are outraged. Even the pet TV commentators seem marginally perturbed. Roger Goodell is about an inch away from having general mutiny on his hands. If Lewis, or Webb, or Belichick is fined for stating the honest truth, or for reacting as any sane person would when a travesty is made of his life's work, then it's time for players to decide not to play for a while. It's their lives. It's their bodies, and people with the heart of Torrey Smith deserve better than to be made complicit in dishonest vaudeville.
Quote from: sbr on September 24, 2012, 12:29:08 AM
I'll get my first LFFL win unless Cedric benson scores 30 points tomorrow.
In my money league Aaron Rodgers needs to out score jordy Nelson by 4.
So you are the one I gave an early Christmas present to. <_<
:P
Why is everyone acting like the regular refs were infallible? Lest we forget:
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And no, I will never let that go.
A sad day indeed. :(
People keep acting like the Steelers only won because the refs screwed the Seahawks and it is just ridiculous...how true that is.
Quote from: Valmy on September 24, 2012, 05:29:36 PM
People keep acting like the Steelers only won because the refs screwed the Seahawks and it is just ridiculous...how true that is.
I'm always baffled by the pass people give to the refs in the Cardinals-Steelers Super Bowl. I think that was as much if not more of a mockery.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on September 24, 2012, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 24, 2012, 05:29:36 PM
People keep acting like the Steelers only won because the refs screwed the Seahawks and it is just ridiculous...how true that is.
I'm always baffled by the pass people give to the refs in the Cardinals-Steelers Super Bowl. I think that was as much if not more of a mockery.
That's because by then it was simply accepted.
Still waiting for that block in the back flag on Harrison's return before halftime and Santonio Holmes' other foot to come down.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 24, 2012, 07:47:01 PM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on September 24, 2012, 07:20:16 PM
I'm always baffled by the pass people give to the refs in the Cardinals-Steelers Super Bowl. I think that was as much if not more of a mockery.
That's because by then it was simply accepted.
Still waiting for that block in the back flag on Harrison's return before halftime and Santonio Holmes' other foot to come down.
And the celebration penalty on Holmes for his LeBron dance and an explanation for Warner's forward pass that was ruled a fumble amongst the most blatant examples of no calls or magic calls.
I'm liking the Seattle D. It's like when the Niners were starting to get good.
Quote from: Neil on September 24, 2012, 08:35:46 PM
I'm liking the Seattle D. It's like when the Niners were starting to get good.
They do have some badass DBs in that secondary.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 24, 2012, 08:36:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 24, 2012, 08:35:46 PM
I'm liking the Seattle D. It's like when the Niners were starting to get good.
They do have some badass DBs in that secondary.
Yeah. All these sacks are being helped out by the coverage down the field.
Seattle needs to go back to the Jim Zorn/Steve Largent/Curt Warner/John L. Williams uniforms, and get rid of these Oregon Duckeque uniforms.
There's no neon in the NFL, for fuck's sake. They look like a fucking European indoor soccer team.
I agree. Classic silver and blue was our best uniform.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 24, 2012, 09:02:55 PM
Seattle needs to go back to the Jim Zorn/Steve Largent/Curt Warner/John L. Williams uniforms, and get rid of these Oregon Duckeque uniforms.
There's no neon in the NFL, for fuck's sake. They look like a fucking European indoor soccer team.
Yeah, that's what my wife said. 'What's with the fluroescents and the weird pant stripes? Are the Packers playing a college team or something?'
Quote from: Neil on September 24, 2012, 09:16:40 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 24, 2012, 09:02:55 PM
Seattle needs to go back to the Jim Zorn/Steve Largent/Curt Warner/John L. Williams uniforms, and get rid of these Oregon Duckeque uniforms.
There's no neon in the NFL, for fuck's sake. They look like a fucking European indoor soccer team.
Yeah, that's what my wife said. 'What's with the fluroescents and the weird pant stripes? Are the Packers playing a college team or something?'
My wife likes the new uniforms. :hmm:
I think that the neon shoes offend her the most.
That new 12-men rule is a travesty.
Quote from: sbr on September 24, 2012, 09:31:02 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 24, 2012, 09:25:58 PM
That new 12-men rule is a travesty.
What's that?
If the defence has 12-men on the field while the 'snap is imminent' (which seems to be if the QB is under centre), it's a penalty. They don't need to actually snap the ball anymore.
It's like somebody said "I like the no-huddle offence, but I feel there's a way we could rig the game even more against the defence."
Yeah, I don't get the logic there.
That was the worst, most unjustifiable PI call I've seen this year, and that's saying something.
And that was ridiculous. If anybody had been doing their job and watching, that's an ejection.
I guess that's a makeup call for the Chancellor penalty?
What a finish.
:lol: That was a pick.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 24, 2012, 10:48:10 PM
:lol: That was a pick.
Yeah. Simultaneous possession goes to the offence, but it seems to me that possession was not simultaneous.
What a gong show. Wow.
And Tate shoved Shields in the back, to boot.
Turned the game back on just in time for that last play :lol:
Hell, I'd call it a jump ball. Fun to watch.
That finish makes me dirty. :boff:
And the funniest part? The owners don't give a fuck.
Goodbye replacement refs, sonsofbitches.
Hah hah, the Packers are actually coming back on the field!
Quote from: Alcibiades on September 24, 2012, 10:55:39 PM
Goodbye replacement refs, sonsofbitches.
Why? The league doesn't care about the integrity of the game. They care about saving money by screwing the refs on their pensions.
Quote from: daveracher on September 24, 2012, 10:56:37 PM
Hah hah, the Packers are actually coming back on the field!
That's pretty brutal.
Quote from: Neil on September 24, 2012, 10:57:47 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on September 24, 2012, 10:55:39 PM
Goodbye replacement refs, sonsofbitches.
Why? The league doesn't care about the integrity of the game. They care about saving money by screwing the refs on their pensions.
Exactly. Until the replacement refs affect the bottomline the league doesnt care. Stadiums are already sold out all year and TV deals are done.
And their ratings are higher, week for week, than last year.
But I've been boycotting, and I haven't seen a game all season.
And now my client, the biggest beer bar in town, is boycotting the NFL.
Which won't really matter, since Hattiesburg is all about college ball anyway. Especially with the Saints sucking hind teat, and the Packers getting fucked by the refs.
At least I don't have to see Ed Hochuli.
Saw this on a bucs message board :D
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-KH56ZCe-eQg/UGEtCmdKLfI/AAAAAAAACSY/YkWmY6NSiL8/w497-h373/533620_4453830064518_880771178_n.jpg)
I was at the game. It was: awesome. :yeah:
Why are people so worked up about Hochuli getting back? He actually made a worse call than tonight and cost a team a win a few years ago.
Quote from: sbr on September 25, 2012, 12:30:27 AM
Why are people so worked up about Hochuli getting back? He actually made a worse call than tonight and cost a team a win a few years ago.
If you're talking about the Denver - San Diego fumble thing, there's no way that was worse. The Broncos still had to actually score the TD and get a 2pt conversion to win. He didn't just hand them 8 points and a W.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 25, 2012, 12:37:28 AM
Quote from: sbr on September 25, 2012, 12:30:27 AM
Why are people so worked up about Hochuli getting back? He actually made a worse call than tonight and cost a team a win a few years ago.
If you're talking about the Denver - San Diego fumble thing, there's no way that was worse. The Broncos still had to actually score the TD and get a 2pt conversion to win.
Of course it was. The SD/Denver play was in the open and there was absolutely no doubt that it was a backward pass and a fumble. Tonight was tough to see what happened at full speed. The offensive PI is never going to be called, the ex-official on ESPN said as much. The catch/intereption was very tough to see at full speed, Tate eventually came out of the pile with the ball and the possession was not reviewable.
EDIT: And wait, what? Sand Diego recovered the fumble and won the game. Hochuli gave the ball back to Denver, how did that not directly effect the outcome of the game?
:lmfao:
http://deadspin.com/5946112/the-lingerie-football-league-announces-that-it-fired-a-couple-crews-which-apparently-are-now-officiating-in-the-nfl-because-of-incompetence
QuoteThe Lingerie Football League Announces That It Fired "A Couple Crews Which Apparently Are Now Officiating In The NFL" Because Of Incompetence
Jack Dickey
After the Hall of Fame game in August, Mike Pereira let it slip that Craig Ochoa, the referee who worked that game, had been fired from the Lingerie Football League. The Lingerie Football League—which recently uprooted itself from its US host cities to barnstorm in Canada, the United States, and Australia over the next year—didn't respond to our request for comment on Pereira's charge then.
But now they have, and, boy, oh boy, this is great:
Because of the LFL's perception it is that much more critical for us to hire officiating crews that are competent, not only for the credibility of our game but to keep our athletes safer. Due to several on-field incompetent officiating we chose to part ways with with a couple crews which apparently are now officiating in the NFL. We have a lot of respect for our officials but we felt the officiating was not in line with our expectations.
We have not made public comment to date because we felt it was not our place to do so. However in light of tonight's event, we felt it was only fair that NFL fans knew the truth as to who are officiating these games.
If there was ever a reason for a public statement from a third-tier football league at 12:28 a.m. on a Tuesday, tonight's debacle was it. And, yup, Roger Goodell, you just got served. By the commissioner of the Lingerie Football League. Eat it.
Quote from: sbr on September 25, 2012, 12:40:56 AM
Of course it was. The SD/Denver play was in the open and there was absolutely no doubt that it was a backward pass and a fumble. Tonight was tough to see what happened at full speed. The offensive PI is never going to be called, the ex-official on ESPN said as much. The catch/intereption was very tough to see at full speed, Tate eventually came out of the pile with the ball and the possession was not reviewable.
Tate didn't have shit, and it wasn't hard to see.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FhOrH7.jpg&hash=bb69a777e019c559b9bfafad106609f6ee66f08d)
That's the refs leg right there.
QuoteEDIT: And wait, what? Sand Diego recovered the fumble and won the game. Hochuli gave the ball back to Denver, how did that not directly effect the outcome of the game?
Wait, what, what? Denver still had to score the points to win, did they not? Hell, they had to get into the endzone twice to get the win. Hochuli didn't put them there.
E: That photo there is what that guy was actually looking at. That is a complete fuck up that directly put the game winning points on the board.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 25, 2012, 12:44:02 AM
:lmfao:
http://deadspin.com/5946112/the-lingerie-football-league-announces-that-it-fired-a-couple-crews-which-apparently-are-now-officiating-in-the-nfl-because-of-incompetence
QuoteThe Lingerie Football League Announces That It Fired "A Couple Crews Which Apparently Are Now Officiating In The NFL" Because Of Incompetence
Jack Dickey
After the Hall of Fame game in August, Mike Pereira let it slip that Craig Ochoa, the referee who worked that game, had been fired from the Lingerie Football League. The Lingerie Football League—which recently uprooted itself from its US host cities to barnstorm in Canada, the United States, and Australia over the next year—didn't respond to our request for comment on Pereira's charge then.
But now they have, and, boy, oh boy, this is great:
Because of the LFL's perception it is that much more critical for us to hire officiating crews that are competent, not only for the credibility of our game but to keep our athletes safer. Due to several on-field incompetent officiating we chose to part ways with with a couple crews which apparently are now officiating in the NFL. We have a lot of respect for our officials but we felt the officiating was not in line with our expectations.
We have not made public comment to date because we felt it was not our place to do so. However in light of tonight's event, we felt it was only fair that NFL fans knew the truth as to who are officiating these games.
If there was ever a reason for a public statement from a third-tier football league at 12:28 a.m. on a Tuesday, tonight's debacle was it. And, yup, Roger Goodell, you just got served. By the commissioner of the Lingerie Football League. Eat it.
:lol:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 25, 2012, 12:47:06 AM
Quote from: sbr on September 25, 2012, 12:40:56 AM
Of course it was. The SD/Denver play was in the open and there was absolutely no doubt that it was a backward pass and a fumble. Tonight was tough to see what happened at full speed. The offensive PI is never going to be called, the ex-official on ESPN said as much. The catch/intereption was very tough to see at full speed, Tate eventually came out of the pile with the ball and the possession was not reviewable.
Tate didn't have shit, and it wasn't hard to see.
That's the refs leg right there.
QuoteEDIT: And wait, what? Sand Diego recovered the fumble and won the game. Hochuli gave the ball back to Denver, how did that not directly effect the outcome of the game?
Wait, what, what? Denver still had to score the points to win, did they not? Hell, they had to get into the endzone twice to get the win. Hochuli didn't put them there.
E: That photo there is what that guy was actually looking at. That is a complete fuck up that directly put the game winning points on the board.
Yes, Denver still had to score, but it has been found to be difficult to score when you don't have the ball and the other team can run out the clock to win. As for tonight, it was an ugly call, but by far not the worst I've seen in a game. See: The previously mentioned Super Bowls for much worse calls/no calls in a game of a much larger importance. Tate had an arm underneath so Jennings didn't have the ball to his chest, one of the steps necessary for "control" as per the rules brought up by commentators. He also had his other arm in front, making it appear to be much more of a split play than the slo-mo replays show. Given the real time viewing of the play, even by the ref whose leg is in the picture and had the backs of both players to view, the call on the field is understandable as per the letter of the rules. If the "real" refs were there, I could see them making the same call, yet not have this shitstorm of an uproar due to the NFL, the commentators for the game, the major networks, the players, and the coaches all supporting the legitimacy of their position. The NFL has positioned the replacement refs in an untenable position by giving them tepid support for their efforts at best and silence at worst.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on September 25, 2012, 02:28:06 AM
Yes, Denver still had to score, but it has been found to be difficult to score when you don't have the ball and the other team can run out the clock to win.
No one said it wasn't a shitty call, but no matter how shitty it was, it did not put points on the board.
QuoteTate had an arm underneath so Jennings didn't have the ball to his chest, one of the steps necessary for "control" as per the rules brought up by commentators. He also had his other arm in front, making it appear to be much more of a split play than the slo-mo replays show.
Please. Tate had possession of Jennings more than he did the ball. When the refs ran up, that picture above is what they saw.
QuoteGiven the real time viewing of the play, even by the ref whose leg is in the picture and had the backs of both players to view, the call on the field is understandable as per the letter of the rules.
Full speed, it's a pick. Half speed, it's a pick. Super slo-mo, it's a pick. Still image, it's a pick. I don't know what you're looking at, but that play there was an interception.
QuoteIf the "real" refs were there, I could see them making the same call, yet not have this shitstorm of an uproar due to the NFL, the commentators for the game, the major networks, the players, and the coaches all supporting the legitimacy of their position. The NFL has positioned the replacement refs in an untenable position by giving them tepid support for their efforts at best and silence at worst.
Or they could make the correct call. You know: interception. We don't know for sure though because it was scabs in this one who may or may not have been fired from the Lingerie League for being shitty. Not real refs.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 25, 2012, 03:13:58 AM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on September 25, 2012, 02:28:06 AM
Given the real time viewing of the play, even by the ref whose leg is in the picture and had the backs of both players to view, the call on the field is understandable as per the letter of the rules.
Full speed, it's a pick. Half speed, it's a pick. Super slo-mo, it's a pick. Still image, it's a pick. I don't know what you're looking at, but that play there was an interception.
LOL, you had a back judge calling for time stoppage prior to signalling touchback, and you had another ref calling touchdown. Simultaneously.
But did the Umpire come in a talk it through with them to break down the play and see who had the better angle? No.
That last drive was a complete abomination: that wasn't roughing the passer, that wasn't pass interference on Rice, and that sure as shit wasn't a touchdown.
And I thought after Sunday night, we had seen the extremes of the scab refs. But no, there was still Monday Night Football to suffer through.
I think you can find games from previous years with more questionable calls, but I don't think you'll find weeks of games from previous years with the frequency of questionable calls that we've seen this year. They are in almost every game, and there's a lot of them.
Quote from: derspiess on September 24, 2012, 11:25:00 PM
At least I don't have to see Ed Hochuli.
Your union-hating has no bounds, does it?
My ass got lucky.
QuoteFrozen Wetbacks got 27 points from Matt Ryan and 16 from Santonio Holmes to beat NOLO Contenders 88 - 78. Both sides fell short of expectations, but Frozen Wetbacks scored 99.7% of a projected 88.28 points to pick up the win. NOLO Contenders was done in by a drop in scoring from last week's 137 - 71 win against Cincy Jailbirdz. Things could have been different, NOLO Contenders had two starters score zero points (Mark Ingram and LaRod Stephens-Howling). Frozen Wetbacks (2-1, 279 points) climbs into fifth place while NOLO Contenders (1-2, 300 points) drops to ninth place.
Frozen Wetbacks Smooth Moves
The 27 points scored by Matt Ryan ranked fifth in the league in scoring this week and second for any player on Frozen Wetbacks this season.
Sat Steve Breaston, who scored fewer points than any WR in the starting lineup with 1.
Jacoby Jones, who was picked up by Frozen Wetbacks, scored 7 points against a projected 4.64, topping his projection by 50.9%.
Santonio Holmes scored 16 points, the seventh-highest WR score in the league this week.
The 14 points were a season-high for Nate Washington. The score beat his 6.36-point projection by 120.1%, which also was a season-high.
NOLO Contenders Regret Tracker
Did not start Matt Schaub, who scored 33 points to rank second in the league in scoring.
Missed out on an opportunity by leaving the 3 points scored by Evan Royster on the bench this week. He outperformed his projected point total by 581.8%, the sixth-highest percentage in the league.
Should have started Heath Miller, who beat his scoring projection with 23 points against a projected 6.95.
Ben Tate was last in the matchup in scoring with -1 point.
NOLO Contenders had 2 of their 10 starters score zero points.
The worst part of it is that what we should be talking about is the great performance by the Seattle D.
They were amazing for 30 mins. Then meh for 2nd half.
QuotePenn State Day Care dismantled Meatheads 135 - 51 while also putting up the second-highest point total this season. These two teams have matching 1-2 records, but Penn State Day Care has a clear lead in points, 299 - 219. It was a bragging-rights result, and the 84-point margin of victory was the highest recorded in the league this season. Penn State Day Care started one player with zero points while Meatheads served up two goose eggs, meaning both teams could have scored more points.
Damn that's impressive.
If I'd have scored 84 points I would have won.
And now I've bumped up to 4th place.
I think I might start Christian Ponder in week 4 instead of Rodgers but then again the Packers play the Saints.
Seedy finally wins a game and he's getting all uppity.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 25, 2012, 08:25:52 AM
Damn that's impressive.
If I'd have scored 84 points I would have won.
but you didn't. And now the last team without a win. :P
Quote from: katmai on September 25, 2012, 08:12:29 AM
They were amazing for 30 mins. Then meh for 2nd half.
They were in an impossible position though - the offense ran like 9 plays in the second half before the final two drives of the game.
Also, we really do need to get rid of these chucklehead refs. While the last call is understandably getting the attention, there were a number of shitty calls/no-calls in the game, and by no means did they all favor the Seahawks. See: PI call which allowed Green Bay to continue its touchdown-scoring drive.
I am surprised Berkut has not chimed in he usually loves talking refereeing.
Quote from: Kleves on September 25, 2012, 08:39:49 AM
Quote from: katmai on September 25, 2012, 08:12:29 AM
They were amazing for 30 mins. Then meh for 2nd half.
They were in an impossible position though - the offense ran like 9 plays in the second half before the final two drives of the game.
Also, we really do need to get rid of these chucklehead refs. While the last call is understandably getting the attention, there were a number of shitty calls/no-calls in the game, and by no means did they all favor the Seahawks. See: PI call which allowed Green Bay to continue its scoring drive.
Saw that and I was thinking 'That'll be the worst call of the game'. I was wrong.
Quote from: Valmy on September 25, 2012, 08:43:49 AM
I am surprised Berkut has not chimed in he usually loves talking refereeing.
Maybe Berkut was busy last night, refereeing an NFL game?
Quote from: sbr on September 25, 2012, 12:30:27 AM
Why are people so worked up about Hochuli getting back? He actually made a worse call than tonight and cost a team a win a few years ago.
I don't want him back.
And the Fightin Crowns remain undefeated at 3-0. :showoff:
I found it interesting that this has been relatively under-reported, but it could very well be a development that could impact the season, should the NFLPA want to get its lawyers involved.
In short: the use of replacement referees by the league is creating an unsafe work environment for the players; therefore, the league could be in breach of the collective bargaining agreement. And you know what that could mean.
And this was written
before this past week's collective bullshit.
QuoteNFLPA letter calls out Roger Goodell and NFL owners for use of replacement referees
If there were ever a perfect time to use "shots fired" for something, this is it.
The NFLPA executive committee posted a letter on the NFLPA's website on Sunday that literally fired shots left and right at NFL owners and Roger Goodell. In the letter, you'll see that the executive committee pretty much feels the same way you do about the replacement referees. It speaks of the embarrassment, the poor calls, the missed calls, the bad game management, and even uses the word "scab".
Here's the full letter so you can see just how many shots were fired.
TO: Owners of NFL Teams
FROM: NFLPA Executive Committee
DATE: September 20, 2012
RE: Your Lockout of the NFL Referees and the Negative Impact on Football
The NFL Players Association Executive Committee is calling on you to end the lockout of our referees. We believe there is substantial evidence that you have failed in your obligation to provide as safe a working environment as possible.
Your decision to lock out officials with more than 1,500 years of collective NFL experience has led to a deterioration of order, safety and integrity. This affirmative decision has not only resulted in poor calls, missed calls and bad game management, but the combination of those deficiencies will only continue to jeopardize player health and safety and the integrity of the game that has taken decades to build.
As we predicted and explained to you weeks ago, the removal of the veteran officials from regular season games left a group of your replacements who have proved to be incapable of keeping pace with the speed of the game. Coaches and players have complained of numerous errors and failures including: erratic and missed calls on egregious holds and hits, increased skirmishes between players and confusion about game rules. Many replacements have lost control of games due to inexperience and unfamiliarity with players and rules.
The headlines are embarrassing: a scab working a game despite having been on the payroll of one of the teams, another who was assigned to referee a team he publicly supported on Facebook, and one who is a professional poker player when you propose even more stringent player rules on gambling.
It is lost on us as to how you allow a Commissioner to cavalierly issue suspensions and fines in the name of player health and safety yet permit the wholesale removal of the officials that you trained and entrusted to maintain that very health and safety. It has been reported that the two sides are apart by approximately $60,000 per team. We note that your Commissioner has fined an individual player as much in the name of "safety." Your actions are looking more and more like simple greed. As players, we see this game as more than the "product" you reference at times. You cannot simply switch to a group of cheaper officials and fulfill your legal, moral, and duty obligations to us and our fans. You need to end the lockout and bring back the officials immediately.
We are all men who love and respect this game and believe that it represents something beyond just money. For our teammates, our coaches and our fans who deserve better, vote to end this lockout now.
Sincerely,
Domonique Foxworth, NFLPA President
Charlie Batch, NFLPA Vice President, Pittsburgh Steelers
Cornelius Bennett, NFLPA Former Players Board of Directors Chairman
Drew Brees, NFLPA Vice President, New Orleans Saints
Brian Dawkins, NFLPA Vice President
Scott Fujita, NFLPA Vice President, Cleveland Browns
Matt Hasselbeck, NFLPA Vice President, Tennessee Titans
Brandon Moore, NFLPA Vice President, New York Jets
Jeff Saturday, NFLPA Vice President, Green Bay Packers
Mickey Washington, NFLPA Former Players Board of Directors Member
Brian Waters, NFLPA Vice President, New England Patriots
Benjamin Watson, NFLPA Vice President, Cleveland Browns
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 09:16:52 AM
In short: the use of replacement referees by the league is creating an unsafe work environment for the players; therefore, the league could be in breach of the collective bargaining agreement. And you know what that could mean.
Eh, no. Players who cheap-shot and lead with their helmet create the unsafe work environment. And league fines for such things are often protested by the NFLPA.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 06:07:39 AM
That last drive was a complete abomination: that wasn't roughing the passer, that wasn't pass interference on Rice, and that sure as shit wasn't a touchdown.
Hell the whole game was messed up by those guys, but at least on all of those other ones, the team getting hit with a bogus call (happened to both of them) had a chance to recover from it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 09:16:52 AM
I found it interesting that this has been relatively under-reported, but it could very well be a development that could impact the season, should the NFLPA want to get its lawyers involved.
In short: the use of replacement referees by the league is creating an unsafe work environment for the players; therefore, the league could be in breach of the collective bargaining agreement. And you know what that could mean.
Talk is cheap, and so are letters.
I'm not a labour lawyer - that area is its own special brand of fun, but I have a passing knowledge of the area. And the term "unsafe work environment" is a specific term. Ultimately, if the players truly felt the owners were not giving them a safe work environment, they have one recourse - not to play.
But of course they're not going to do that and put their own salaries in jeopardy.
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2012, 09:28:19 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 09:16:52 AM
In short: the use of replacement referees by the league is creating an unsafe work environment for the players; therefore, the league could be in breach of the collective bargaining agreement. And you know what that could mean.
Eh, no. Players who cheap-shot and lead with their helmet create the unsafe work environment. And league fines for such things are often protested by the NFLPA.
I appreciate your union hate, I truly do...but the NFLPA may still have a different definition of what constitutes an unsafe work environment than you do.
QuoteWhile it is true that the current collective bargaining agreement does contain a "no strike" clause, there is an exception that I think the NFLPA may be considering. 29 USC 143 permits a worker from refusing to work in an "abnormally dangerous condition.". The lead NLRB case in this issue is TNS 309 NLRB 1348 (1999). This type of argument crystallizes the minute an NFL player is injured because of a bad call.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit enforced the NLRB's order in the TNS case, which involved employees at a nuclear plant who were exposed to unsafe levels of radiation and who walked off the job. The NLRB said the workers were legally entitled to do so under 29 USC 143 because of a good faith belief and objective evidence (including evidence of kidney damage and abnormal levels of uranium exposure) that they were being harmed.
Clause 29 USC 143 of the NLRB permits a worker from refusing, in good faith, to work under "abnormally dangerous conditions", and 29 USC 143 is applicable to NFL labor conditions.
http://sports-law.blogspot.com/2012/09/destination-abnormally-dangerous.html
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 09:49:18 AM
I'm not a labour lawyer - that area is its own special brand of fun, but I have a passing knowledge of the area. And the term "unsafe work environment" is a specific term.
Once again, thanks for the foreign jurisprudence that doesn't apply to US law, Martinus.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 10:39:54 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 09:49:18 AM
I'm not a labour lawyer - that area is its own special brand of fun, but I have a passing knowledge of the area. And the term "unsafe work environment" is a specific term.
Once again, thanks for the foreign jurisprudence that doesn't apply to US law, Martinus.
Why not? Sometimes even your surpreme court might quote foreign decisions.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 08:16:07 AM
QuotePenn State Day Care dismantled Meatheads 135 - 51 while also putting up the second-highest point total this season. These two teams have matching 1-2 records, but Penn State Day Care has a clear lead in points, 299 - 219. It was a bragging-rights result, and the 84-point margin of victory was the highest recorded in the league this season. Penn State Day Care started one player with zero points while Meatheads served up two goose eggs, meaning both teams could have scored more points.
:bleeding:
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 25, 2012, 10:42:48 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 10:39:54 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 09:49:18 AM
I'm not a labour lawyer - that area is its own special brand of fun, but I have a passing knowledge of the area. And the term "unsafe work environment" is a specific term.
Once again, thanks for the foreign jurisprudence that doesn't apply to US law, Martinus.
Why not? Sometimes even your surpreme court might quote foreign decisions.
The Olympics are over, Team Canada's been dispersed, so back off.
Well that was a helluva weekend in football.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 10:39:54 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 09:49:18 AM
I'm not a labour lawyer - that area is its own special brand of fun, but I have a passing knowledge of the area. And the term "unsafe work environment" is a specific term.
Once again, thanks for the foreign jurisprudence that doesn't apply to US law, Martinus.
Hey dumbass - I was agreeing with the point you were making. That NFL players could, if they felt that strongly that it is unsafe, refuse to play.
And then all hell would break loose.
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 11:24:55 AM
Hey dumbass - I was agreeing with the point you were making. That NFL players could, if they felt that strongly that it is unsafe, refuse to play.
And then all hell would break loose.
Thing is, I'm not sure a work stoppage or refusal to play would be the best move, even if legal--perhaps a petition to get the courts to compel the league to end the lock-out with the referees; that would be a proactive legal act to address the issue and still allow the league to continue operations, wouldn't it?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 11:53:09 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 11:24:55 AM
Hey dumbass - I was agreeing with the point you were making. That NFL players could, if they felt that strongly that it is unsafe, refuse to play.
And then all hell would break loose.
Thing is, I'm not sure a work stoppage or refusal to play would be the best move, even if legal--perhaps a petition to get the courts to compel the league to end the lock-out with the referees; that would be a proactive legal act to address the issue and still allow the league to continue operations, wouldn't it?
Yes. We should get the courts involved whenever possible.
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2012, 12:03:39 PM
Yes. We should get the courts involved whenever possible.
MUST DESTROY ALL PENSIONS BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 11:53:09 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 11:24:55 AM
Hey dumbass - I was agreeing with the point you were making. That NFL players could, if they felt that strongly that it is unsafe, refuse to play.
And then all hell would break loose.
Thing is, I'm not sure a work stoppage or refusal to play would be the best move, even if legal--perhaps a petition to get the courts to compel the league to end the lock-out with the referees; that would be a proactive legal act to address the issue and still allow the league to continue operations, wouldn't it?
Except it undercuts their fundamental argument - it can't be all that unsafe if the players are still willing to play.
Hey did anyone watch the Dallas - Tampa Bay game? What was this all about?
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Apparently that's the refs hat being tossed in there and taking out Kevin Ogletree.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 25, 2012, 12:22:44 PM
Hey did anyone watch the Dallas - Tampa Bay game? What was this all about?
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Apparently that's the refs hat being tossed in there and taking out Kevin Ogletree.
I heard about it on the radio but hadn't seen it until just now. The way it was described on the radio I figured they were exaggerating. I guess not :lol:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 25, 2012, 12:22:44 PM
Hey did anyone watch the Dallas - Tampa Bay game? What was this all about?
Yeah, I was watching that game when it happened; Ogletree was pushed out of bounds earlier in his route--when the receiver is pushed out of bounds and then returns into the field of play, the ref throws his hat, not a flag.
Of course, he didn't have to throw it that fucking far.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 12:26:39 PM
Yeah, I was watching that game when it happened; Ogletree was pushed out of bounds earlier in his route--when the receiver is pushed out of bounds and then returns into the field of play, the ref throws his hat, not a flag.
Of course, he didn't have to throw it that fucking far.
Don't they drop the hat where they stepped out though? What could possibly be going through that guy's head? "He stepped out of bounds <x> yards away, so I'll just throw this hat in front of him!"
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 25, 2012, 12:29:19 PM
Don't they drop the hat where they stepped out though? What could possibly be going through that guy's head? "He stepped out of bounds <x> yards away, so I'll just throw this hat in front of him!"
Maybe he's from the Lingerie League, and thought he was throwing a dollar bill.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 12:26:39 PM
Of course, he didn't have to throw it that fucking far.
You can just imagine the "AW FUCK!" moment the ref had as soon as the hat left his hand and he saw how far it was going to go.
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 12:15:49 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 11:53:09 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 25, 2012, 11:24:55 AM
Hey dumbass - I was agreeing with the point you were making. That NFL players could, if they felt that strongly that it is unsafe, refuse to play.
And then all hell would break loose.
Thing is, I'm not sure a work stoppage or refusal to play would be the best move, even if legal--perhaps a petition to get the courts to compel the league to end the lock-out with the referees; that would be a proactive legal act to address the issue and still allow the league to continue operations, wouldn't it?
Except it undercuts their fundamental argument - it can't be all that unsafe if the players are still willing to play.
The problem is, the NFLPA's argument in this essentially comes down to saying that the league, by using replacement refs, isn't doing enough to stop NFLPA members from taking cheap shots at each other.
At any rate, I think too much is being made about the poor quality of the replacement refs. Officials have always blown calls, and if I wanted to bother, I could go back to past years and find calls and non-calls at least as egregiuosly wrong as anything that has happened this year. Having said that, I don't think that there's any doubt that the quality of officiating is down this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mudzft57NN8
Here's a video of it (mute before :10 if you don't want to hear some dude talking about it). He was in bounds the whole time, it looks like, although I suppose he may have been out at some point before (why didn't the guy nearby throw it then though?). The ball also goes flying by right after he gets back up. :blink:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 25, 2012, 12:50:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mudzft57NN8
Here's a video of it (mute before :10 if you don't want to hear some dude talking about it). He was in bounds the whole time, it looks like, although I suppose he may have been out at some point before (why didn't the guy nearby throw it then though?). The ball also goes flying by right after he gets back up. :blink:
He certainly doesn't seem to have gone OOB. OTOH, if he hadn't slipped, it looks like he would have ended up even further away from where the pass was thrown.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 12:06:27 PM
MUST DESTROY ALL PENSIONS BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
It seems like the refs are fine with the league going to 401ks for the new officials but they do not want them reneging on the deals they already agreed to. That does not seem to unreasonable to me. I wonder why the NFL is going so hard core about this.
Quote from: Valmy on September 25, 2012, 01:08:31 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 12:06:27 PM
MUST DESTROY ALL PENSIONS BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
It seems like the refs are fine with the league going to 401ks for the new officials but they do not want them reneging on the deals they already agreed to. That does not seem to unreasonable to me. I wonder why the NFL is going so hard core about this.
I'm guessing (and it's only a guess, I don't know for sure) that it's more of a power play by the league than anything to do with the economics. I heard on the radio yesterday that the dollar amount involved is only $25 million. OK, to you or me, saying "only" $25 million sounds silly, but compared to the league's revenue, that's practically pocket change. Of course, that assumes that the dollar figure is accurate. Even the guy talking about it seemed unsure if that figure was correct.
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2012, 12:37:56 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 12:26:39 PM
Of course, he didn't have to throw it that fucking far.
You can just imagine the "AW FUCK!" moment the ref had as soon as the hat left his hand and he saw how far it was going to go.
Yeah, we've all done it. Tossed something and it's not even halfway there, and you're like, shit.
I gotta say, an NFL pension is pretty frickin' sweet if you can get it.
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2012, 01:50:42 PM
I gotta say, an NFL pension is pretty frickin' sweet if you can get it.
And now you can't. Screwing everyone with a 401k is an article of faith for business leadership as it accomplishes three main goals:
1) It gets more money into the stock market, creating the illusion of growth.
2) I reduces costs, as you don't have to take responsibility for oldsters anymore.
3) It screws your employees, who are of an inferior social class.
Quote"Broncos linebacker Joe Mays has apologized for his vicious hit on Texans quarterback Matt Schaub on Sunday, but the NFL doesn't think an apology is enough. And the league office doesn't think a heavy fine is enough, either. Instead, Mays has been suspended for one game for his helmet-to-helmet hit, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. Mays will appeal the suspension. The hit was absolutely brutal, knocking Schaub's helmet off and knocking off a piece of Schaub's ear, too. Amazingly, Schaub only missed one play, which the Texans' medical staff apparently felt was sufficient to be sure that Schaub hadn't suffered a concussion."
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 02:27:55 PM
Quote"Broncos linebacker Joe Mays has apologized for his vicious hit on Texans quarterback Matt Schaub on Sunday, but the NFL doesn't think an apology is enough. And the league office doesn't think a heavy fine is enough, either. Instead, Mays has been suspended for one game for his helmet-to-helmet hit, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. Mays will appeal the suspension. The hit was absolutely brutal, knocking Schaub's helmet off and knocking off a piece of Schaub's ear, too. Amazingly, Schaub only missed one play, which the Texans' medical staff apparently felt was sufficient to be sure that Schaub hadn't suffered a concussion."
That hit was brutal, and was the second on Schuab in a short (maybe in a row) that should have been flagged.
That's outrageous. He should be suspended through week 9 :angry:
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2012, 02:34:41 PM
That's outrageous. He should be suspended through week 9 :angry:
Broncos vs Bengals? Surely the field will collapse under the weight of all that orange. Although at least with the Bengals it makes sense. They're named for tigers. With the Broncos, the orange alternate jerseys are just there to ensure maximum retinal bleeding.
Quote from: sbr on September 25, 2012, 02:31:14 PM
That hit was brutal, and was the second on Schuab in a short (maybe in a row) that should have been flagged.
Yeah, second in a row. The one right before got flagged for driving him into the ground.
Ah, they did flag the first hit. I had the game on, but wasn't watching it at the time.
Anyone see if Mundy got fined/suspended for his helmet to helmet hits against the Raiders? I'm thinking it unlikely since it was the Steelers and not James Harrison. <_<
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on September 25, 2012, 06:35:36 PM
Anyone see if Mundy got fined/suspended for his helmet to helmet hits against the Raiders? I'm thinking it unlikely since it was the Steelers and not James Harrison. <_<
Did Ed Reed? At least Mundy didn't make it look so obvious. ;)
Pretty sure Reed didn't launch.
Here's the hit on Schaub that got the fine + suspension:
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I can't believe he was only out for a play. That was brutal.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 25, 2012, 10:33:04 PM
I can't believe he was only out for a play. That was brutal.
No shit. That was beyond vicious.
The part of his ear that was missing was a chunk of his lower ear lobe. I'm wondering if he was wearing an earring or stud or something. Doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would.
I give NFL 40 years till it is banned.
Quote from: Neil on September 25, 2012, 05:14:26 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2012, 02:34:41 PM
That's outrageous. He should be suspended through week 9 :angry:
Broncos vs Bengals? Surely the field will collapse under the weight of all that orange. Although at least with the Bengals it makes sense. They're named for tigers. With the Broncos, the orange alternate jerseys are just there to ensure maximum retinal bleeding.
Will the Broncos be wearing orange jerseys? Looks like the Bengals are wearing black jerseys for the game. Hope they wear black pants, too. IIRC the last time they beat the Broncos they were wearing all black.
They need to bring back the old Jerseys of the orange crush b
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 10:35:52 PM
The part of his ear that was missing was a chunk of his lower ear lobe. I'm wondering if he was wearing an earring or stud or something. Doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would.
Doesn't strike me as the earring type either. Might have gotten ripped out by the chinstrap or something like that because of how the helmet twisted before it came flying off.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 25, 2012, 10:41:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 10:35:52 PM
The part of his ear that was missing was a chunk of his lower ear lobe. I'm wondering if he was wearing an earring or stud or something. Doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would.
Doesn't strike me as the earring type either. Might have gotten ripped out by the chinstrap or something like that because of how the helmet twisted before it came flying off.
TV guys, don't remember who, said it was the padding inside the helmet.
Quote from: katmai on September 25, 2012, 10:38:17 PM
I give NFL 40 years till it is banned.
One of the talking nerd heads on MSNBC over the weekend made a stupid but a rather interesting point, in the kind of well-if-you-think-about-it-for-a-moment way: want to slow the game down, make it safer, reduce head trauma?
Get rid of the helmets. Worked before.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2012, 10:50:36 PM
Quote from: katmai on September 25, 2012, 10:38:17 PM
I give NFL 40 years till it is banned.
One of the talking nerd heads on MSNBC over the weekend made a stupid but a rather interesting point, in the kind of well-if-you-think-about-it-for-a-moment way: want to slow the game down, make it safer, reduce head trauma?
Get rid of the helmets. Worked before.
I think you'd have to get rid of astroturf, too. Though they should do that anyway.
QuoteTorrey Smith tweet fallout at crossroads of Web, real life
Johns Hopkins University employee has received online threats, derogatory comments
A Patriots fan's tweet Sunday night — intended for Ravens wide receiver Torrey Smith — has ignited a firestorm on the web, raising new questions about the way online discourse intersects with real life.
"Hey, Smith, how about you call your bro and tell him all about your wi--- ohhhh. Wait. #TooSoon?" wrote Baltimore resident Katie Moody, posting as @katiebrady12, as Smith caught two touchdowns in the Ravens' 31-30 win over the Patriots. The game and the Tweet came less than 24 hours after Smith's younger brother Tevin Jones was killed in a motorcycle accident.
The comment immediately elicited angry reaction from Ravens fans and others online. But many went further, calling her vulgar expletives and wishing harm — even rape — upon her. Several commenters posted contact information for Moody's superior at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, where she works as a senior administrative coordinator.
The reaction raises issues of free speech and bears out what one expert calls "a pack mentality" in social media.
"There are no standards for social acceptability for social media," said Kelly McBride, senior faculty member for ethics at Poynter Institute of Media Studies in St. Petersburg, Fla. "It's not unusual at all for people in a virtual environment to form in to some type of group. ... They definitely act with a pack mentality."
Since the initial post, Moody switched her Twitter account to private and declined, through her employer, to comment for this article.
Ben Hebert, a 23-year-old University of Baltimore graduate, posted about the controversy on his website, benhebert.com. Traffic rocketed from an average of 300 pageviews a day to more than 15,000 by noon Monday, crashing his site.
"There were a ton of really terrible [comments] put up. I don't support that," said Hebert, who estimates that he took down 20 responses. "They were more of things about her character — cursing, derogatory female terms."
Numerous web users fired complaints at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, whose spokesman on Tuesday confirmed Moody's identity and employment there.
One employee has received 174 emails since the initial tweet, spokeman Dennis O'Shea said. Asked whether anyone would face disciplinary action, he responded: "I don't think we really have anything to say on this subject."
The initial tweet and another — "The pats may have lost but at least none of them lost a family member. I'd say that's a win" — caught attention from national media. Much of the commentary online was angry but mostly fell within the bounds of reasonable discourse.
"smh [Shakes my head] u are terrible," Ravens running back Ray Rice tweeted. "I hope you know the word karma."
Elsewhere, responses went downhill.
"She may deserve to get fired, and death threats are more understandable than what she did," said one commenter. "She should just move the f--- away from Baltimore before she gets randomly punched in the face."
WNST 1570-AM radio personality Glenn M. Clark, who is no stranger to freedom-of-speech issues, condemned Moody's tweets. In March 2011, Clark, a co-host and the station's manager were named in an $800,000 defamation suit by sports reporter Jennifer Royle that was ultimately dropped.
"In the case of this Tweet, I'm reminded of just how fortunate we are to have the right to freedom of speech, but just how unfortunate it is that some people choose to exercise it at all times," Clark emailed The Sun. "This particular comment ... would be at best in the category of poor taste and more likely in the category of astonishing stupidity."
Moody did, in fact, apologize to followers before and after setting her Twitter account to private:
"I apologized and meant it...I just can't control if people think I'm really sorry," she Tweeted. "I'm currently getting death threats and people posting my home address."
Smith has not publicly acknowledged the Tweet and has requested privacy in the wake of his brother's death.
Discussing the response, Poynter's McBride said, "It's pretty clear that when someone says, 'We should kill this person; someone should rape this person,' it is clear that there is a type of sarcasm that is only understood by the Internet crowd."
Moody tweets
Katie Moody's Twitter page after she privatized her account is filled with apologies and commentary.
•"In the heat of me being upset about NE, I made a horrible joke about Smith's bro and became the most hated person on the web."
•"I apologized and meant it...I just can't control if people think I'm really sorry."
•"Well, I'm currently getting death threats and people posting my home address."
•"I feel like Cady from 'Mean Girls' when she walks into the gymnasium and she knows everyone there is staring and hates her."
•"Cyber Bullying is a new hobby, I guess. :)"
Quote from: sbr on September 25, 2012, 10:48:56 PM
TV guys, don't remember who, said it was the padding inside the helmet.
Ah okay. Must have missed that.
This Katie Moody person sounds like Languish material. CdM, you're from Baltimore, why don't you take point on the recruitment effort?
He might already know her :lol:
Raises free speech issues? If you're an asshole, people can call you on that, and call for you to be 'even raped'.
Chris Mortenson and Peter King are reporting that a deal is close and the regular officials could possibly be back working by Sunday.
More importantly, I just got the channel update notification on my TiVo: Time Warner Cable finally carries the NFL Network :punk:
It's been there since last Sunday.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 26, 2012, 06:37:24 PM
It's been there since last Sunday.
My channel lineup just got updated, so for me it was today.
Frankly, you wasn't missing much. Too much jaw jaw and pats cocksucking on that channel.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 26, 2012, 07:29:21 PM
Frankly, you wasn't missing much. Too much jaw jaw and pats cocksucking on that channel.
Mostly just wanted the Thursday night games.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2012, 07:41:52 PM
Mostly just wanted the Thursday night games.
That and their draft coverage, which is vastly superior to ESPN imo, are the only reasons I really watch NFLN. They do also show all the preseason games, which is nice because around that time is when you're really jonesing for football. Then you watch a couple preseason games and they, of course, totally suck because they're preseason games.
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Quote from: Benedict Arnold on September 25, 2012, 06:35:36 PM
Anyone see if Mundy got fined/suspended for his helmet to helmet hits against the Raiders? I'm thinking it unlikely since it was the Steelers and not James Harrison. <_<
$21K for Mundy.
And $50K for Belichick for ref-touching.
Apparently one of the Redskins coordinators got smacked with $25K for silliness with a ref as well.
Quote from: katmai on September 26, 2012, 12:57:58 AM
He might already know her :lol:
I've been snooping to see if I've come across her or not before. :lol: Sounds like quite a catch!
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2012, 06:35:23 PM
More importantly, I just got the channel update notification on my TiVo: Time Warner Cable finally carries the NFL Network :punk:
Any of you guys ever watch NFL Turning Point on NBCSN with Dan Patrick? It's a highlight show, but concentrates on three games from the previous week, very heavy on the NFL Films angle. Pretty cool, since they break down specific plays and whatnot, like McCoy blowing his blitz pickup assignment for Vick, which was so much prettier with an NFL Films treatment.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2012, 09:39:32 PM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on September 25, 2012, 06:35:36 PM
Anyone see if Mundy got fined/suspended for his helmet to helmet hits against the Raiders? I'm thinking it unlikely since it was the Steelers and not James Harrison. <_<
$21K for Mundy.
And $50K for Belichick for ref-touching.
Apparently one of the Redskins coordinators got smacked with $25K for silliness with a ref as well.
Yeah, Kyle Shanahan.
How Mundy avoided suspension, I'll never know. Oh wait, I will know. Goodell is worthless.
PFT is saying a deal has been made between the NFL and the refs. Everywhere else I've seen is only saying a deal is "imminent."
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/
E: It has hit the front page of CBSSports.com now.
Quote from: Neil on September 25, 2012, 07:06:36 PM
Pretty sure Reed didn't launch.
He launched just as much as Mundy....
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Deal done with the refs. I was at the game that saved football. :yeah:
LOL, Peter King from SI is saying the true impetus was that there was no way the NFL was going to send replacement refs to Green Bay this weekend.
:lol:
I wonder what would happen if the real refs screwed up this weekend and it cost GB again.
Here's an article with some details about the new deal:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/20380815/deal-between-nfl-officials-is-imminent-would-allow-refs-to-work-thursday-night
QuoteEver since Monday night's disaster of an ending in the Seahawks-Packers game, there has been a push by both the NFL and the locked-out officials to resolve their labor dispute. That push, CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora reports, resulted in a deal getting done between the league and refs that will end the lockout.
Additionally, La Canfora reports there is language in the deal that would allow the currently locked-out officials to begin working on Thursday night, when the Ravens and Browns kick off Week 4.
The agreement between the NFL and the officials will be an eight-year deal. Average referee salaries will go from $149,000 a year in 2011 to $173,000 in 2013, rising to $205,000 by 2019. The referee pension plan will remain in place through 2016 and then will be frozen. It will be replaced by a defined contribution agreement starting in 2017 that will feature contributions from the NFL of $18,000 per official (eventually increased to $23,000 per) along with a partial match of a 401(k).
The NFL will have the right to hire full-time officials beginning in 2013. And the NFL will also be given the right to retain additional officials for training and developmental purposes.
"Our officials will be back on the field starting tomorrow night," Commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement released by the NFL. "We appreciate the commitment of the NFLRA in working through the issues to reach this important agreement."
As of Wednesday afternoon, the Browns and Ravens still hadn't been notified of changes to the officiating crew for the Thursday night game. And there appeared to be a reasonable enough financial bridge to gap that would prevent the refs from taking the field in Baltimore.
But the two sides made enough progress in negotiations that it appears the refs will get a full week's worth of work in. That's critical, since having the regular refs work all but one game in Week 4 could make for an awkward situation and leave Baltimore and Cleveland at a competitive disadvantage.
"Our Board of Directors has unanimously approved taking this proposed CBA to the membership for a ratification vote," said Scott Green, president of the NFLRA. "We are glad to be getting back on the field for this week's games."
Of course, if the refs struggle out of the gates, that won't make things any easier. Which is why it's good news to hear that Ed Hochuli has been grilling them every week on the rules and situations that the NFL faces in 2012.
The best news, though, is that coaches, players, media and, most importantly, fans will be able to move past the sordid affair of the replacement refs soon enough.