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Title: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: garbon on August 24, 2012, 04:01:53 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/pr-consultant-more-harry-material-may-emerge-soon-143337371.html

QuoteBrace yourself, Harry.

A prominent British public relations guru said Friday he'd been approached by two women who claimed to have more material on Prince Harry, raising the possibility that the world may soon be seeing more compromising images of the British royal.

Earlier this week, celebrity gossip website TMZ published photos of Harry romping in the nude during a party at his Las Vegas hotel suite. Many Britons have laughed off the 27-year-old prince's hijinks, but questions have been raised about his publicly-funded security detail.

In a telephone interview, publicist Max Clifford said he had been called by two American women who claim they were in the prince's hotel room in the U.S. last week. Clifford, a savvy operator famous for negotiating kiss-and-tell interviews, said the women "said they had lots of interesting things: pictures, video, that kind of thing."

He said he turned them down.

"I couldn't justify this," he said. "It's an infringement of his privacy. That's why I said no."

On Thursday, TMZ claimed that "several girls" had taken pictures at the party using their cellphones as the party got started and that "more photos were taken" after the clothes came off. Neither TMZ nor Clifford has made clear whether they believe the unreleased photographs show the prince in the nude.
British publications have largely steered clear of the photographs, with the prominent exception of Rupert Murdoch's The Sun tabloid, which became the first paper to splash the pictures across its front page on Friday with the words: "HEIR IT IS!" and marketing the grainy photograph as a "souvenir printed edition."

Britain's Press Complaints Commission said it has received more than 850 complaints about the naked pictures in the tabloid, mostly from members of the public. Nearly all of the complaints are about invasion of privacy and will be investigated, the commission added.

The paper said it had defied the wishes of the royal family because there was a public interest in knowing what the prince, who represented the queen at the 2012 Olympic Games and is heavily involved in charity work, got up to while abroad.

Privacy lawyer Chris Hutchings, a partner at Hamlins LLP, said the paper's public interest argument could have traction.

"The public interest argument is on the basis that Prince Harry represents this country around the world and the photos bring into question his suitability to act as a British ambassador," Hutchings said, although he added: "The Sun have taken a calculated risk in publishing the photos given their inherently private nature."

Royal officials said they had no further comment on the matter after previously saying that it was down to the editors of Britain's newspapers to decide whether they printed the controversial pictures.

As of Friday, the palace hasn't made any official complaint.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: The Brain on August 24, 2012, 04:03:03 PM
He took off the Nazi uniform and people are still not happy?
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: grumbler on August 24, 2012, 04:04:43 PM
:yawn:

Is there anything more pathetic than people who post trivial shit about royals?
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: garbon on August 24, 2012, 04:08:10 PM
I thought the photos weren't half-bad. :perv:
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: FunkMonk on August 24, 2012, 04:12:33 PM
Send him to the guillotine.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: garbon on August 24, 2012, 04:14:01 PM
Quote from: grumbler on August 24, 2012, 04:04:43 PM
:yawn:

Is there anything more pathetic than people who post trivial shit about royals?

Sure. People who complain about how pathetic people are for posting trivial shit about royals.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: mongers on August 24, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 24, 2012, 04:08:10 PM
I thought the photos weren't half-bad. :perv:

Ah, so you definitely have a redhead thing.  :cool:
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: garbon on August 24, 2012, 10:26:50 PM
Quote from: mongers on August 24, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 24, 2012, 04:08:10 PM
I thought the photos weren't half-bad. :perv:

Ah, so you definitely have a redhead thing.  :cool:

:blush:
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on August 25, 2012, 04:29:09 AM
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/harry-photos-ruined-by-old-spanish-woman-2012082439034
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Eddie Teach on August 25, 2012, 04:45:17 AM
Quote from: garbon on August 24, 2012, 04:14:01 PM
Sure. People who complain about how pathetic people are for posting trivial shit about royals.

The difference is, you were the one to bring up the subject. :contract:
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Josquius on August 25, 2012, 05:14:17 AM
Strange there is more coming out of the woodwork considering the very muted public reaction
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Martinus on August 25, 2012, 07:10:26 AM
It's good Di cheated on Charles - Harry is so hot, unlike his half-brother, Prince Horse-Face.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: CountDeMoney on August 25, 2012, 07:36:09 AM
Lulz, ginger mingers.  Or whatever.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Admiral Yi on August 25, 2012, 05:53:23 PM
How long has it been since the Battenbergs had a documented royal bastard?
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Solmyr on August 26, 2012, 05:50:02 AM
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Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Admiral Yi on August 26, 2012, 01:58:47 PM
 :D
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Solmyr on August 27, 2012, 04:06:15 AM
http://www.tmz.com/2012/08/25/prince-harry-vivid-porn-offer-10-million/

Quote
Prince Harry Offered $10 MILLION To Bone on Film

You knew it was coming ... and now, so does Prince Harry -- a multi-million dollar offer to get down and dirty in a XXX movie ... courtesy of the biggest porn studio on the planet.

Vivid Entertainment honcho Steve Hirsch just fired off a letter to the royal palace in London -- offering Prince Harry $10 million to star in a big budget adult film called "The Trouble with Harry" ... thanks to his recent naked romp in Vegas.

According to the letter, the film would also star "little Harry" and would feature some REAL royal carousing -- in the form of full-on boning.

Hirsch writes, "We assure you the sex will be well-scripted, and the crown jewels will not be 'minimized' in any way."

God save the peen.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Martinus on August 27, 2012, 04:17:32 AM
I wonder if the Queen is amused?
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Eddie Teach on August 27, 2012, 04:29:49 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 27, 2012, 04:17:32 AM
I wonder if the Queen is amused?

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Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: jimmy olsen on January 22, 2013, 12:24:12 PM
Better Harry news.

http://news.sky.com/story/1040999/prince-harry-i-killed-taliban-in-afghanistan

Quote
Prince Harry: I Killed Taliban In Afghanistan

Prince Harry confirms that he took enemy fighters "out of the game" as he ends his second tour of Afghanistan.



By David Bowden, Defence Correspondent

Prince Harry has confirmed he killed Taliban insurgents during his latest tour of Afghanistan, saying: "We fire when we have to - take a life to save a life."

The third-in-line to the throne is on his way home after a five-month tour of the war-torn country as an Apache pilot gunner, where he said his unit took enemy fighters "out of the game".

The prince's job meant he was in the front seat of the attack helicopter, controlling an array of weapons including a 30mm cannon and Hellfire Missiles.

When asked if he had killed from the cockpit the 28-year-old replied: "Yeah, so lots of people have."

However Captain Wales, as he is known in the Army Air Corps, said the sight of an Apache was often enough to make Taliban fighters flee.

"They look at us and just go 'Right, that's an unfair fight, we're not going to go near them'.

"But occasionally we get taken on, even when we are overhead.

"Take a life to save a life. That's what we revolve around, I suppose. If there's people trying to do bad stuff to our guys, then we'll take them out of the game, I suppose."

The prince's duties included stints as part of the Very High Readiness (VHR) team at Camp Bastion in Helmand, which meant whiling away the hours playing board games and sleeping fully clothed awaiting a call 24 hours a day.

He said his crew got their response time down to just "six-and-a-half or seven minutes".

Once airborne the task could be anything from medical evacuation of a wounded soldier, to firing on the enemy who might have coalition troops pinned down.

"Every time you run the aircraft you get that adrenaline rush and then once you're in the aircraft you've got to try and slow yourself down because otherwise, if the adrenaline is pumping too much, if you're going too fast you're going to miss something."

For the most part 662 Squadron treated their Royal colleague as just one of the team, but when the prince had to mix with other soldiers at Camp Bastion in Helmand, he sometimes felt uncomfortable.

"I go to the cookhouse and everyone has a good gawp.

"That's one thing that I dislike about being here, because there's plenty of guys in here who've never met me and think of me as Prince Harry as opposed to Captain Wales, which is frustrating."

While he enjoyed Army life, the prince described a Taliban attack on the camp last September as a "reality check".

Insurgents broke into the heavily armed base, killing two US marines and wrecking equipment.

"This camp is in the middle of Afghanistan so you should expect to be attacked at any point.

"The guys dealt with it really well and it was on my birthday, so it was a bit of a reality check."

Harry's first tour of Afghanistan in 2008 was cut short when foreign media broke a news blackout, and he had to come home early.

He is bitter about being pulled out last time, and would have gone back to his old regiment - part of the Household Cavalry - if he could.

However, it was deemed to be too dangerous.

"My choice would have been out on the ground with my regiment. That sounds quite spoilt when I'm standing in front of this thing (an Apache helicopter)."

Harry and his squadron now plan to spend time "decompressing" - letting their hair down in Cyprus - before flying back home for a few weeks' leave.

After that, Harry's plans are less clear.

"I'll always be here for my grandmother and whoever needs to send me abroad for whatever reason," he said.

"I don't really have any plans. This was my main effort to get back out to Afghanistan - that's another tick in the box.

"As to how long I'm going to spend in the Army, who knows? I will continue to bounce between my Army job and the other job."
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Zanza on January 22, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
Quote from: Harry"It's a joy for me because I'm one of those people who loves playing PlayStation and Xbox, so with my thumbs I like to think I'm probably quite useful"
And what a mature person he is about killing them...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-harry/9817482/Prince-Harry-relaxing-after-Afghanistan-tour-ends.html
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: DGuller on January 22, 2013, 12:53:44 PM
Sounds like Harry is quite a player after all.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Malthus on January 22, 2013, 12:56:43 PM
Meh, I'm re-reading a book about the Duke of Marlborough (written, ironically enough, by Lady Di's brother  :D ). In those days, people knew how to make a *real* royal scandal!

- The future duke first gains royal favour when his dear sister becomes a royal romp;

- He nearly loses Charles' favour when he's caught in flagrante by Charles with another royal romp - his own cousin (Charlie's reaction: 'I forgive you, you are a sad rascal, but you only do it to earn your bread' - true enough: the mistress pays him  5,000 pounds!)

- He gains power because his wife has what many consider a lesbian affair with Queen Anne - and loses favour when his wife has a lover's tiff with Anne (Anne falls for a younger chick, also a cousin of the wife)

- His best military buddy, Prince Eugene, left France in a huff and swearing revenge for the shabby treatment of his mom and himself - his mom had to flee France because she was plausibly accused of Satanism and poisioning (in an attempt to win back King Looie's sexual favours); Looie ridicules the Princes' ambitions to become a military man because he's "effeminite" in appearance and actions and so more suited, in Looie's opinion, for the Church (this proves to be a mistake ...)
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Razgovory on January 22, 2013, 01:02:12 PM
Well they haven't had a Royal personally kill a person since Queen Victoria made Prince Bert eat a Fuzzy Wuzzy.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: jimmy olsen on January 22, 2013, 01:02:24 PM
Quote from: Malthus on January 22, 2013, 12:56:43 PM
- He gains power because his wife has what many consider a lesbian affair with Queen Anne - and loses favour when his wife has a lover's tiff with Anne (Anne falls for a younger chick, also a cousin of the wife)

I thought she was simply stupid and needy/clingy.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: garbon on January 22, 2013, 01:15:04 PM
Not amused by that Harry news, Tim. <_<
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: derspiess on January 22, 2013, 01:21:07 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 22, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
Quote from: Harry"It's a joy for me because I'm one of those people who loves playing PlayStation and Xbox, so with my thumbs I like to think I'm probably quite useful"
And what a mature person he is about killing them...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-harry/9817482/Prince-Harry-relaxing-after-Afghanistan-tour-ends.html

He's been doing his duty.  He can bloody well say whatever he wants about it.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Zanza on January 22, 2013, 02:12:57 PM
Of course. It's just that it makes him look like an immature idiot.  :bowler:
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Malthus on January 22, 2013, 02:31:48 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 22, 2013, 01:02:24 PM
I thought she was simply stupid and needy/clingy.

There is no doubt that Sarah was the dominant personality (indeed her domineering ways is what made Anne toss her out eventually). It is likely that their relationship was not sexual, as in full-on muff-diving or whatever, but it certainly was, on Anne's side at least, "romantic": Sarah was clearly more to her than just a friend and advisor, judging by the correspondence, and the fact that Anne was willing to break with her sister the queen rather than give Sarah up. When Sarah fell from favour in place of her cousin, she accused Anne of keeping female favorites out of lesbian interest and threatened to publish her correspondence to prove it, for what that is worth.

Seems likely that Sarah wouldn't have looked at Anne twice if Anne were not royalty: by all accounts Sarah was brilliant and beautiful (though domineering and vindictive), and Anne was neither. The "romance", if that was what it was, was all on Anne's side.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Drakken on January 22, 2013, 02:44:16 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 25, 2012, 07:10:26 AM
It's good Di cheated on Charles - Harry is so hot, unlike his half-brother, Prince Horse-Face.

Sadly for you Di started her affair after Harry was born. I stand myself corrected.  :sleep:
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Drakken on January 22, 2013, 02:51:46 PM
Quote from: Malthus on January 22, 2013, 12:56:43 PM
- He nearly loses Charles' favour when he's caught in flagrante by Charles with another royal romp - his own cousin (Charlie's reaction: 'I forgive you, you are a sad rascal, but you only do it to earn your bread' - true enough: the mistress pays him  5,000 pounds!)

I think you confuse "his own cousin" with Barbara Villiers, Duchess of Cleveland (she was George, Duke of Buckingham's cousin, not Charles'), Charles's long-standing official (if waning) mistress whose bed he hadn't visited for months. Villiers actually paid Churchill for having sex with him as a gigolo, which he did only for the money, investing it in a pension. Charles quiped that it was the first time money from her pocket went as far as to see the bottom of a bank, so he let him go loose.

Villiers was notoriously promiscuous, and yes it was known she was sleeping with Buckingham and even the Duke of Monmouth, Charles' son. So Charles wasn't surprised to see her with another man. What he was surprised with is that Churchill would stoop so low as to sleep with her as well. When he understood she had been very insistent and he was doing it for the money, the King was amused.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Malthus on January 22, 2013, 03:10:54 PM
Quote from: Drakken on January 22, 2013, 02:51:46 PM
Quote from: Malthus on January 22, 2013, 12:56:43 PM
- He nearly loses Charles' favour when he's caught in flagrante by Charles with another royal romp - his own cousin (Charlie's reaction: 'I forgive you, you are a sad rascal, but you only do it to earn your bread' - true enough: the mistress pays him  5,000 pounds!)

I think you confuse "his own cousin" with Barbara Villiers, Duchess of Cleveland (she was George, Duke of Buckingham's cousin, not Charles'), Charles's long-standing official (if waning) mistress whose bed he hadn't visited for months. Villiers actually paid Churchill for having sex with him as a gigolo, which he did only for the money, investing it in a pension. Charles quiped that it was the first time money from her pocket went as far as to see the bottom of a bank, so he let him go loose.

Villiers was notoriously promiscuous, and yes it was known she was sleeping with Buckingham and even the Duke of Monmouth, Charles' son. So Charles wasn't surprised to see her with another man. What he was surprised with is that Churchill would stoop so low as to sleep with her as well. When he understood she had been very insistent and he was doing it for the money, the King was amused.

No, I meant the future Duke of Marlborough John Churchill's own cousin, not the King's cousin. Barbara Villers was John Churchill's second cousin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Palmer,_1st_Duchess_of_Cleveland

Another fun fact: the pension he invested his gigolo-money in was an annuity, which paid a good rate because the investors assumed, given his habits, he would die young.  :D
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Legbiter on January 22, 2013, 05:44:18 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 22, 2013, 02:12:57 PM
Of course. It's just that it makes him look like an immature idiot.  :bowler:

Job satisfaction is a good thing.

Also, the Taliban were hurt by his comment as well.

Quote"To describe the war in Afghanistan as a game demeans anyone – especially a prince, who is supposed to be made of better things."

:lol:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-harry/9817685/Prince-Harry-branded-a-coward-by-Taliban.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-harry/9817685/Prince-Harry-branded-a-coward-by-Taliban.html)
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Valmy on January 22, 2013, 05:51:27 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 22, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
And what a mature person he is about killing them...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-harry/9817482/Prince-Harry-relaxing-after-Afghanistan-tour-ends.html

Seriously?  Do young soldiers in German history talk like ivory tower philosophers or something?
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Neil on January 22, 2013, 05:53:32 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 22, 2013, 01:21:07 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 22, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
Quote from: Harry"It's a joy for me because I'm one of those people who loves playing PlayStation and Xbox, so with my thumbs I like to think I'm probably quite useful"
And what a mature person he is about killing them...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-harry/9817482/Prince-Harry-relaxing-after-Afghanistan-tour-ends.html
He's been doing his duty.  He can bloody well say whatever he wants about it.
Remember where Zanza is from.  The German spirit has been broken, and anyone taking pride in their accomplishments is 'immature'.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Neil on January 22, 2013, 05:55:33 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 22, 2013, 05:51:27 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 22, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
And what a mature person he is about killing them...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-harry/9817482/Prince-Harry-relaxing-after-Afghanistan-tour-ends.html
Seriously?  Do young soldiers in German history talk like ivory tower philosophers or something?
If a young soldier in Germany ever shot someone, he'd be charged with murder.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Legbiter on January 22, 2013, 05:57:19 PM
I actually find it amusing that the savages with their godly Jihad are being shredded with a 20 mm minigun by a dim-witted happy-go-lucky lad with half a mind on his CoD score.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Neil on January 22, 2013, 05:59:50 PM
Do we know that Harry is especially dim?
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Legbiter on January 22, 2013, 06:03:41 PM
No more dim than most are in their 20's I reckon.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Sheilbh on January 22, 2013, 06:18:51 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 22, 2013, 05:59:50 PM
Do we know that Harry is especially dim?
He's not academic.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Neil on January 22, 2013, 06:20:55 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 22, 2013, 06:18:51 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 22, 2013, 05:59:50 PM
Do we know that Harry is especially dim?
He's not academic.
Isn't that a good thing?
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on January 22, 2013, 06:27:40 PM
He seems to be a fairly normal British army subaltern who is not destined to go far. Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Neil on January 22, 2013, 06:32:05 PM
In the old days, he'd be destined to be a field marshal.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: garbon on January 23, 2013, 09:54:43 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on January 22, 2013, 05:57:19 PM
I actually find it amusing that the savages with their godly Jihad are being shredded with a 20 mm minigun by a dim-witted happy-go-lucky lad with half a mind on his CoD score.

Yeah has to suck for them to see how little we actually care about them as enemies. What a downward plunge from the heady days of 2001.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: mongers on January 23, 2013, 10:02:45 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 22, 2013, 06:27:40 PM
He seems to be a fairly normal British army subaltern who is not destined to go far. Nothing wrong with that.

Good point, he is what he is.

Though I' liked the distinction between the two jobs of solider and Prince.
I suspect he's somewhat more worldy than a lot of then, having to deal with the Press, whilst remembering one part of it had a role in the death of his mother.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Brazen on January 23, 2013, 11:33:56 AM
Quote from: Malthus on January 22, 2013, 12:56:43 PM
Meh, I'm re-reading a book about the Duke of Marlborough (written, ironically enough, by Lady Di's brother  :D ).
Not THAT ironically, and certainly not coincidental, since the Duke of Marlborough has been a Spencer, or Spencer-Churchill, since 1733.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Malthus on January 23, 2013, 12:28:55 PM
Quote from: Brazen on January 23, 2013, 11:33:56 AM
Quote from: Malthus on January 22, 2013, 12:56:43 PM
Meh, I'm re-reading a book about the Duke of Marlborough (written, ironically enough, by Lady Di's brother  :D ).
Not THAT ironically, and certainly not coincidental, since the Duke of Marlborough has been a Spencer, or Spencer-Churchill, since 1733.

Certainly, he makes his connection to the Duke clear in his intro. The amusing part is that someone writing about entertaining royal scandals of the past, has close connections with the royal scandals of the present. That part he doesn't mention in his intro.

Anyway, all in all, he's actually a pretty good writer.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Gups on January 23, 2013, 12:32:54 PM
I've read that - it was surprisngly good.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Zanza on January 23, 2013, 12:43:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 22, 2013, 05:51:27 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 22, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
And what a mature person he is about killing them...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-harry/9817482/Prince-Harry-relaxing-after-Afghanistan-tour-ends.html

Seriously?  Do young soldiers in German history talk like ivory tower philosophers or something?
Probably not. How is that relevant to his comments?  :huh:
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Valmy on January 23, 2013, 12:46:21 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 23, 2013, 12:43:43 PM
Probably not. How is that relevant to his comments?  :huh:

Because you seem so disapproving.  Like somehow a soldier going through these absurdly stressful situations need to somehow conduct themselves with the highest decorum.  Granted he was in a helicopter but still.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Zanza on January 23, 2013, 12:56:04 PM
I still don't get why it matters how German soldiers talked in history. Anyway, yes, I disapprove. Maybe he was in an absurdly stressful stiutation, maybe he was just chilling in the camp. Doesn't matter, the statement by itself is stupid in my opinion.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: derspiess on January 23, 2013, 12:57:42 PM
Again, he was and is serving dutifully and as far as I'm concerned he can say what he wants.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Valmy on January 23, 2013, 01:02:52 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 23, 2013, 12:56:04 PM
I still don't get why it matters how German soldiers talked in history

Because the context in which people say things is important.  It seems pretty out of touch to ignore that.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Zanza on January 23, 2013, 01:22:57 PM
I get that you guys disagree with me. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: derspiess on January 23, 2013, 01:31:08 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 23, 2013, 01:22:57 PM
I get that you guys disagree with me. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.

I'd be interested to hear more of your reasoning.  Not that either of us would change our minds, but I'd like to at least understand your point of view.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Valmy on January 23, 2013, 01:39:44 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 23, 2013, 01:22:57 PM
I get that you guys disagree with me. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.

It sounds like the same sort of thing I hear combat vets say all the time.  So I guess I hear it and think 'well yeah'.  There is a reason why official military spokespeople are not selected from front line troops.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Martinus on January 24, 2013, 07:06:36 AM
I read an interview with a professional sniper today (he was part of the Polish GROM unit and served in Iraq and Afghanistan) and he said that, I quote, "you need to be either a sociopath or really mentally challenged" to say the kind of stuff Harry said.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Martinus on January 24, 2013, 07:10:56 AM
Quote from: Valmy on January 23, 2013, 01:39:44 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 23, 2013, 01:22:57 PM
I get that you guys disagree with me. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.

It sounds like the same sort of thing I hear combat vets say all the time.  So I guess I hear it and think 'well yeah'.  There is a reason why official military spokespeople are not selected from front line troops.

Really? Maybe we are listening to different vets, as I believe most of them say quite the opposite. I heard several vets who were in Iraq and Afghanistan who said that war is nothing like a computer game and that you actually get a sort of grudging respect for the enemies that you kill.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Martinus on January 24, 2013, 07:12:40 AM
Perhaps it is different for snipers/active combat soldiers, and different for helicopter/drone pilots though - after all, there is a reason why the latter is often criticised as it makes the killing too detached, resulting in psychosis.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: jimmy olsen on January 24, 2013, 07:45:19 AM
Snipers have the same reputation and for the same reason.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Martinus on January 24, 2013, 07:51:10 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 24, 2013, 07:45:19 AM
Snipers have the same reputation and for the same reason.

I would disagree. Snipers are much more precise and have a better shot (no pun intended) in getting to "know" their target.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 24, 2013, 02:20:55 PM
Isn't Siege a sniper?
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Razgovory on January 24, 2013, 02:32:20 PM
Since Marty has demonstrated he has nothing but contempt for people in the armed forces several times, I'm not sure who he was talking to.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 24, 2013, 02:48:29 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on January 22, 2013, 05:57:19 PM
I actually find it amusing that the savages with their godly Jihad are being shredded with a 20 mm minigun by a dim-witted happy-go-lucky lad with half a mind on his CoD score.

:lol:  Awesome, ain't it?
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 24, 2013, 02:50:26 PM
What kind of snatch score you think Harry has racked up to this point?
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 24, 2013, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 24, 2013, 07:10:56 AM
I heard several vets who were in Iraq and Afghanistan who said that war is nothing like a computer game and that you actually get a sort of grudging respect for the enemies that you kill.

Depends if you're sleeping in the mud every day as they're shooting at you from a few hundred yards away, or if you're kicking it back at the airbase in the evenings catching up on your fave series on Netflix.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 24, 2013, 02:52:51 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 24, 2013, 02:50:26 PM
What kind of snatch score you think Harry has racked up to this point?

Probably some pretty damned good quality, as befitting his bank account.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 24, 2013, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 24, 2013, 02:52:51 PM
Probably some pretty damned good quality, as befitting his bank account.

Leaving quality and rarity and difficulty modifiers aside for a moment, what would you guess his raw unique hits score is?
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 24, 2013, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 24, 2013, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 24, 2013, 02:52:51 PM
Probably some pretty damned good quality, as befitting his bank account.

Leaving quality and rarity and difficulty modifiers aside for a moment, what would you guess his raw unique hits score is?

To the uninitiated and unaware in the circles he'd travel in, I'd say substantially below .500, primarily considering the whole ginger minger thing (unless it's garbon or somebody else with a redhead thing).  Simply not an attractive fellow on a cold call with a low-level bikini model in town on a shoot at the bar.
Thing is, he can't go anywhere where he's not The Harry.   That's bonus points right there;  the guy's already laid and banging them two at a time before he walks through the door.

At least that's my theory.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: OttoVonBismarck on January 24, 2013, 06:41:08 PM
Quote from: Zanza on January 22, 2013, 02:12:57 PM
Of course. It's just that it makes him look like an immature idiot.  :bowler:

As is normally the case with the royals we get a small tidbit of a longer interview. I don't see how comparing piloting an aircraft to video games makes one look like an idiot, much training these days is done on simulators and they are, essentially, really fancy video games. It's also widely known that even infantrymen who are heavily into videogames can see benefits in reaction time and etc (it's not akin to firing a real gun so it's harder to build skills than with flight simulators with realistic controls, but the reaction time stuff is legitimate.)

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a soldier enjoying piloting an attack helicopter.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: OttoVonBismarck on January 24, 2013, 06:51:57 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 22, 2013, 06:18:51 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 22, 2013, 05:59:50 PM
Do we know that Harry is especially dim?
He's not academic.

Academics are the product of a society that allows people to engage in masturbatory time wasting about obscure and arcane topics.

Normal intelligence is normal intelligence, there is no particular reason to assume someone who is famous for reasons totally unrelated to intellect will be especially smart or especially dumb, averages suggest they'd be normal intelligence.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Sheilbh on January 24, 2013, 06:52:25 PM
I didn't say he wasn't an academic.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: OttoVonBismarck on January 24, 2013, 06:54:23 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 24, 2013, 06:52:25 PM
I didn't say he wasn't an academic.

I refuse to recognize any distinction between your original statement and your clarifying statement. Any protestations will render you immediately destroyed by a plague of locusts.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: mongers on January 24, 2013, 06:56:13 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on January 24, 2013, 06:54:23 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 24, 2013, 06:52:25 PM
I didn't say he wasn't an academic.

I refuse to recognize any distinction between your original statement and your clarifying statement. Any protestations will render you immediately destroyed by a plague of locusts.

It's academic, his other day job is as a Prince.   :cool:
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: OttoVonBismarck on January 24, 2013, 06:58:58 PM
I find it extremely unlikely Marti has any extensive interactions with people who have been in combat. Combat veterans say shit like Harry did all the time, note, at least from the selected quote that was obviously trimmed and the randomly spliced videos on the Telegraph's website there is no point when he calls what he's done over there "like a computer game." What he mentions is the controls in the Apache are well suited to younger generations who are familiar with similar sorts of things. The actual quote being bandied about is not shown in any of the videos so we don't even know the full context of it.

I don't know what it's like anymore but extended combat causes stress and gradual deterioration in a lot of things, the mind just isn't suited for it days and days on end. This has been known scientifically since WWII and anecdotally since basically forever. In the American armed forces, pilots are often regularly pushed vastly beyond the breaking point and are running on a large amount of stimulants and sometimes flying for essentially days on end. I'm not exactly sure these people should be held to any particular high standard for making blasé remarks.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: sbr on January 24, 2013, 07:01:55 PM
The pool of people Marti can consider himself superior too is pretty small, don't take even more away.
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Phillip V on January 24, 2013, 11:30:31 PM
Prince Harry runs for ice cream in Afghanistan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivBpNGwvrpg
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Viking on January 25, 2013, 02:33:40 PM
I know people like to take the piss out of Harry but he has in a very clear manner explained what we are fighting for much better than capra ever could

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2267122/Prince-Harry-arrives-RAF-base-Oxfordshire-Afghanistan-tour.html

Quote'I don't know what normal is any more': Prince Harry reveals he saw seven-year-old girl killed by Taliban on his last day of Afghan tour


Prince Harry has admitted he 'doesn't know what normal is anymore' after arriving back in the UK from his second tour of Afghanistan.
The Apache co-pilot gunner has been on post-deployment 'decompression' at a British military base in Akrotiri, Cyprus, since leaving Helmand province on Monday night.
Harry landed at RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire on a regular personnel flight but did not travel on with his unit, 662 Squadron, 3 Regiment Army Air Corps, to their base in Wattisham, Suffolk.
The 28-year-old said a seven-year-old girl was shot down by insurgents on his final day on tour, adding: 'Normality is a very ambiguous thing.'

He said: 'It was a hell of an experience. I'm really proud of the guys. It's very different to when I was last out there. I'm just thrilled to be back. A bit of blue sky in Cyprus, a bit of decompression, some comedy - and back to the snow. Four and a half months has gone very quickly.
'You get life experiences that you get nowhere else out there. The best thing about it is to be back. I'll be looking forward to getting back and seeing my family. Being away for four and a half months you forget what's happened in the news.'
He told Sky News: 'I don't know what normal is anymore and never really have done.
'There's nothing normal about what we've doing for the last four and a half months.
'In the last day that I was there a seven-year-old girl got shot down by insurgents. Normality is a very ambiguous thing. I will continue being myself. I will enjoy being a soldier.'
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Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Martinus on January 26, 2013, 03:37:51 AM
Quote from: sbr on January 24, 2013, 07:01:55 PM
The pool of people Marti can consider himself superior too is pretty small, don't take even more away.

Who the fuck are you?
Title: Re: More Harry material may emerge soon
Post by: Razgovory on January 26, 2013, 03:40:47 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 26, 2013, 03:37:51 AM
Quote from: sbr on January 24, 2013, 07:01:55 PM
The pool of people Marti can consider himself superior too is pretty small, don't take even more away.

Who the fuck are you?

One of the billions of people better then you.