So, who else has seen it? What are your thoughts?
So, how does the grading system in the US compare to that of Europe again?
[Couldn't resist ;) ]
Cardboard characters. Shallow. Cheesy. Cheap plot devices.
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2009, 02:18:52 PM
Cardboard characters. Shallow. Cheesy. Cheap plot devices.
So they remained faithful to the original after all?
Can we talk about the movie instead of grading again?
How many times did Kirk scream "KHAAAAAAAN" ? BE HONEST, PEOPLE. :contract:
I thought it was good. The actors are well cast and the characters are accurately portrayed without resorting to copying the acting style of the previous actor. So Kirk is bold and cocky, but not a parody of Shatner.
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2009, 02:19:43 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2009, 02:18:52 PM
Cardboard characters. Shallow. Cheesy. Cheap plot devices.
So they remained faithful to the original after all?
While I only watched First Contact a long time ago as a boy, I recall that it was deeper and more intriguing than this "Star Trek". Remember Data and the Borg Queen?
Quote from: Malthus on May 08, 2009, 02:17:58 PM
So, how does the grading system in the US compare to that of Europe again?
It's better of course.
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2009, 02:23:29 PM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2009, 02:19:43 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2009, 02:18:52 PM
Cardboard characters. Shallow. Cheesy. Cheap plot devices.
So they remained faithful to the original after all?
While I only watched First Contact a long time ago as a boy,
:o
Quote from: Malthus on May 08, 2009, 02:17:58 PM
So, how does the grading system in the US compare to that of Europe again?
The issue isn't so much that of the difference between the US and Europe as
within the US and Europe.
:P
Quote from: Berkut on May 08, 2009, 02:29:20 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2009, 02:23:29 PM
While I only watched First Contact a long time ago as a boy,
:o
Yeah, it came out 13 years ago. You're old, Berkut.
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2009, 02:23:29 PM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2009, 02:19:43 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2009, 02:18:52 PM
Cardboard characters. Shallow. Cheesy. Cheap plot devices.
So they remained faithful to the original after all?
While I only watched First Contact a long time ago as a boy, I recall that it was deeper and more intriguing than this "Star Trek". Remember Data and the Borg Queen?
I meant the original series. Or, as some call it: ST:TOS.
There's tons of references to the original series that are enjoyable in their own right.
The timeline changes were stunning; the genocide in particular.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 08, 2009, 02:36:16 PM
There's tons of references to the original series that are enjoyable in their own right.
The timeline changes were stunning; the genocide in particular.
It would have been more interesting if they blew up Earth instead of Vulcan.
WTF, spoiler much assholes?
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2009, 02:42:44 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 08, 2009, 02:36:16 PM
There's tons of references to the original series that are enjoyable in their own right.
The timeline changes were stunning; the genocide in particular.
It would have been more interesting if they blew up X instead of Y.
Are you fucking retarded? Go back and erase that.
Also, I really liked how the inside of the ships really looked like the inside of a ship with a lot of machinery and piping.
It doesn't bode well :(
Seriously, if you don't want to be spoiled, you don't go in movie/tv thread if you haven't seen it. I always avoided BSG threads until I had seen the latest episode.
I don't care bout this movie at all, so I opened this thread and don't care about the spoiler.
The usual internet convention is to issue a spoiler alert.....
I was reading this to pick up on the running debate about grading standards and some jerk said something about x being blown up instead of y.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on May 08, 2009, 03:07:17 PM
Seriously, if you don't want to be spoiled, you don't go in movie/tv thread if you haven't seen it. I always avoided BSG threads until I had seen the latest episode.
I don't care bout this movie at all, so I opened this thread and don't care about the spoiler.
Well good for you, I do care about this movie, and it is common courtesy to include a spoiler tag if you are going to reveal details.
so is this movie an A, B or C? :P
damn, maybe we need a poll. largely so we can discuss polling options on grading and not the result.
Quote from: saskganesh on May 08, 2009, 03:32:04 PM
so is this movie an A, B or C? :P
damn, maybe we need a poll. largely so we can discuss polling options on grading and not the result.
Most experts agree that options using letters can sometimes be misleading. The most prefered method is to use numbers (eg. 1, 2 or 3). However, in some US States there is a mixture of formats leading to confusing results.
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2009, 02:23:29 PM
Quote from: Syt on May 08, 2009, 02:19:43 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2009, 02:18:52 PM
Cardboard characters. Shallow. Cheesy. Cheap plot devices.
So they remained faithful to the original after all?
While I only watched First Contact a long time ago as a boy, I recall that it was deeper and more intriguing than this "Star Trek". Remember Data and the Borg Queen?
The Borg Queen was an abomination that destroyed an iconic enemy.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 08, 2009, 03:41:16 PM
The Borg Queen was an abomination that destroyed an iconic enemy.
All I say is that she is better than Nero.
*Spoilers*
With all the events of action, death, and love, there should have been moments that jerked me to tears, but there were none. No development or much time given to relationships or characters. We saw one quick scene of Spock talking to his mother before she died. How are we supposed to feel his loss that he needed to suppress? Same with Nero. All we got of his lost wife was a miniature fuzzy hologram for a few seconds. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.paradoxplaza.com%2Fforum%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Frofl2.gif&hash=dcd4b9bc4776e21885226ef96c7f3f68daf36e00)
Simple plot devices. Kirk somehow manages to get ejected to a planet and then runs into a cave where old Spock is. Really?
Then, old Spock tells Kirk to pick on young Spock to become Captain. Kirk sees young Spock again and immediately picks on him. Young Spock cries. Impressive. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.paradoxplaza.com%2Fforum%2Fimages%2Fsmile%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=3d821c6f61cb28ef9b8da5b206aebca982e92a1e)
One might say there was no time for extra character/plot development. Well, what was the point of the car chase scene with even younger Kirk? (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.paradoxplaza.com%2Fforum%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fconfused.gif&hash=e83119ee9b8d3cca0e79fc7f41f5afe21a1c3744) They could have easily just cut to Kirk beating up cadets in the bar to establish his punk person.
Are the visuals kind of sem-Retro-Future as they seem? Kind of interesting.
Quote from: Queequeg on May 08, 2009, 08:08:52 PM
Are the visuals kind of sem-Retro-Future as they seem? Kind of interesting.
Yes, I think you'll like the visuals.
Quote from: Malthus on May 08, 2009, 02:17:58 PM
So, how does the grading system in the US compare to that of Europe again?
[Couldn't resist ;) ]
:lol: Gee, thanks.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 08, 2009, 02:23:05 PM
I thought it was good. The actors are well cast and the characters are accurately portrayed without resorting to copying the acting style of the previous actor. So Kirk is bold and cocky, but not a parody of Shatner.
I completely agree that the characters were well cast. Spock and Kirk were great.
I also have a crush on Captain Pike.
It sucked seeing the movie at the theater because the audience would laugh extremely loudly and for a very long time at the jokes so you ended up missing 2-5 lines of the movie after every joke. :rolleyes: And when the black guy playing the judge made his first appearance everyone in the theater groaned. I didn't get why until today when I saw that it was Tyler Perry.
Quote from: grumbler on May 08, 2009, 02:31:08 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 08, 2009, 02:17:58 PM
So, how does the grading system in the US compare to that of Europe again?
The issue isn't so much that of the difference between the US and Europe as within the US and Europe.
:P
Wow, I almost raged so hard. :lol:
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2009, 03:53:20 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 08, 2009, 03:41:16 PM
The Borg Queen was an abomination that destroyed an iconic enemy.
All I say is that she is better than Nero.
God. I haven't seen the other movie but I agree with you. Nero sucked. He seemed like a half assed addition to the movie.:bleeding:
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2009, 04:27:03 PM
*Spoilers*
(snip)
The first five minutes made me tear up. It was really sad.
Quote from: Korea on May 08, 2009, 11:21:11 PM
God. I haven't seen the other movie but I agree with you. Nero sucked. He seemed like a half assed addition to the movie.:bleeding:
"Hulk angry! Hulk SMASH stupid planet!!!" Incidentally, Bana's casting is about the only thing I had a problem with- I couldn't place him at first, and when I looked up his filmography, I seriously facepalmed.
Not only was the plot (minus the time-travel) a little too Star Wars in Star Trek, it was
EU Star Wars in Star Trek. Am I the only sci fi nerd who made the Vulcans=Caamasi connection?
A detailed review
I am a Trekkie. I love Star Trek. I like to pretend I am captain Kirk. :blush: That episode in DS9 where Brooks is in the crazy house gave me chills. :lol:
The movie was good. I liked it. My money was not wasted. But I got things to bitch about.
I hate it when the story talks about how the characters are "true" friends, how special they are. Show, not tell. SpockPrime stayed away to give nSpock and Kirk bonding time? WTF?
Kirk was basically crowned. WTF? Is this fantasy or sci-fi?
They killed off a "main character" culture for a subplot. WTF?
The evil ship looks like crap. I saw it in IMAX and could not make out a clear shape. It was spiderish. The crappy CGI in B5 did the Shadow ships better. New Enterprise is great. :fap: :fap:
Knee deep water on the evil ship? WTF?
The little scaly gnome was Trek's version of Jar Jar Binks. Really, WTF? (Loved the Orion sla... I mean the Orion cadet.)
My main fear was not liking the actors. I liked them. Quinto was great as Spock. Kirk and Bones were played well. The other characters did not really matter much in the original, but they were alright here. Loved the fencing Sulu.
Oh, yeah, too much fan service. Scotty ran around yelling every catch phase he is famous for. WTF?
Might see the movie again tomorrow.
Quote from: Korea on May 08, 2009, 11:22:57 PM
The first five minutes made me tear up. It was really sad.
It made me feel an odd sense of patriotism for the United Federation of Planets. All those aliens working together. :cry:
Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film as 'Fun, Watchable' (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film)
Quote from: Korea on May 08, 2009, 11:13:36 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 08, 2009, 02:23:05 PM
I thought it was good. The actors are well cast and the characters are accurately portrayed without resorting to copying the acting style of the previous actor. So Kirk is bold and cocky, but not a parody of Shatner.
I completely agree that the characters were well cast. Spock and Kirk were great.
I also have a crush on Captain Pike.
It sucked seeing the movie at the theater because the audience would laugh extremely loudly and for a very long time at the jokes so you ended up missing 2-5 lines of the movie after every joke. :rolleyes: And when the black guy playing the judge made his first appearance everyone in the theater groaned. I didn't get why until today when I saw that it was Tyler Perry.
Who's Tyler Perry?
Quote from: Cerr on May 09, 2009, 03:53:16 AM
Quote from: Korea on May 08, 2009, 11:13:36 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 08, 2009, 02:23:05 PM
I thought it was good. The actors are well cast and the characters are accurately portrayed without resorting to copying the acting style of the previous actor. So Kirk is bold and cocky, but not a parody of Shatner.
I completely agree that the characters were well cast. Spock and Kirk were great.
I also have a crush on Captain Pike.
It sucked seeing the movie at the theater because the audience would laugh extremely loudly and for a very long time at the jokes so you ended up missing 2-5 lines of the movie after every joke. :rolleyes: And when the black guy playing the judge made his first appearance everyone in the theater groaned. I didn't get why until today when I saw that it was Tyler Perry.
Who's Tyler Perry?
He's that guy that dresses up as a woman and makes all those lame ass "comedies" about a big fat black woman name Madea and all her adventures.:bleeding:
I was thinking that I would like to see this movie again but not because the story was really awesome or interesting (because it wasn't) . I want to see it again for the characters and their development. I think they are what really made the movie.
Quote from: Korea on May 09, 2009, 05:49:33 AM
Quote from: Cerr on May 09, 2009, 03:53:16 AM
Quote from: Korea on May 08, 2009, 11:13:36 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 08, 2009, 02:23:05 PM
I thought it was good. The actors are well cast and the characters are accurately portrayed without resorting to copying the acting style of the previous actor. So Kirk is bold and cocky, but not a parody of Shatner.
I completely agree that the characters were well cast. Spock and Kirk were great.
I also have a crush on Captain Pike.
It sucked seeing the movie at the theater because the audience would laugh extremely loudly and for a very long time at the jokes so you ended up missing 2-5 lines of the movie after every joke. :rolleyes: And when the black guy playing the judge made his first appearance everyone in the theater groaned. I didn't get why until today when I saw that it was Tyler Perry.
Who's Tyler Perry?
He's that guy that dresses up as a woman and makes all those lame ass "comedies" about a big fat black woman name Madea and all her adventures.:bleeding:
Ah ok. Don't think those movies have made it over here. He was fine though in the small role he had in Star Trek.
Watched it last night. I enjoyed it. It was a very good action flick but probably a little bit too fast paced for my liking. The young Kirk being a rebel was pretty cliched though, thankfully that part before he joins starfleet doesn't last too long. The product placement was annoying as well.
There was some very funny lines of dialogue in it but some people in the audience were laughing away at nearly every second of the film and they clapped at the end. :bleeding:
People clapped at the theater I was at too.
I just got back from the cinema. It was fun and enjoyable, and acting wasn't wooden. Star Trek tradition is sullied. :cry:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 09:12:34 AM
People clapped at the theater I was at too.
That always annoys the fuck out of me. Then again, most people do.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 09, 2009, 01:07:43 PM
That always annoys the fuck out of me. Then again, most people do.
Punch them in the back of the head.
Quote from: Phillip V on May 09, 2009, 01:18:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 09, 2009, 01:07:43 PM
That always annoys the fuck out of me. Then again, most people do.
Punch them in the back of the head.
I want to punch you in the back of the head.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 09, 2009, 01:20:13 PM
I want to punch you in the back of the head.
Leave me alone, internet tough guy. :(
Quote from: Phillip V on May 09, 2009, 01:27:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 09, 2009, 01:20:13 PM
I want to punch you in the back of the head.
Leave me alone, internet tough guy. :(
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Spoilerish Question
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The Vulcans have been in space for a much longer time than humanity though, don't they have significant colony worlds?
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Changing the warp visuals and phaser effects was really unnecessary, they were a pretty distinctive part of the franchise's visuals.
Quote from: chipwich on May 09, 2009, 02:36:31 PM
Changing the warp visuals and phaser effects was really unnecessary, they were a pretty distinctive part of the franchise's visuals.
The warp visuals changed in every TOS movie
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 02:21:16 PM
Spoilerish Question
Romulus. Go back and watch the second part of the TNG episode Reunification, Spock answers your question. :contract:
Quote from: Phillip V on May 09, 2009, 01:18:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 09, 2009, 01:07:43 PM
That always annoys the fuck out of me. Then again, most people do.
Punch them in the back of the head.
This is why I always sit in the back of the theater.
I couldn't care less about spoilers since I've pretty much decided this movie's a write off. I'm curious, though: did they actually give Spock a love interest?
I mean, seriously?
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 09, 2009, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 09:12:34 AM
People clapped at the theater I was at too.
That always annoys the fuck out of me. Then again, most people do.
Look at it this way: It's a lot like tin foil hats and "Vote Palin" bumper stickers in that it clearly identifies the insane, the stupid, and the insanely stupid among us.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 09, 2009, 03:11:05 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 02:21:16 PM
Spoilerish Question
Romulus. Go back and watch the second part of the TNG episode Reunification, Spock answers your question. :contract:
No, I know they're the same species. But weren't the Vulcans a bit expansionist before they joined the Federation. They were fighting the Andorians over colony worlds weren't they?
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 05:10:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 09, 2009, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 09:12:34 AM
People clapped at the theater I was at too.
That always annoys the fuck out of me. Then again, most people do.
Look at it this way: It's a lot like tin foil hats and "Vote Palin" bumper stickers in that it clearly identifies the insane, the stupid, and the insanely stupid among us.
Do you mean people who clap at theaters in general, or people who clapped at this movie specifically?
Quote from: Razgovory on May 09, 2009, 05:00:06 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on May 09, 2009, 01:18:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 09, 2009, 01:07:43 PM
That always annoys the fuck out of me. Then again, most people do.
Punch them in the back of the head.
This is why I always sit in the back of the theater.
I'll get you walking out the door.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 05:33:50 PM
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 05:10:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 09, 2009, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 09:12:34 AM
People clapped at the theater I was at too.
That always annoys the fuck out of me. Then again, most people do.
Look at it this way: It's a lot like tin foil hats and "Vote Palin" bumper stickers in that it clearly identifies the insane, the stupid, and the insanely stupid among us.
Do you mean people who clap at theaters in general, or people who clapped at this movie specifically?
Why not both? I was thinking generally, though.
I clapped at the end of Wolverine as it was such a crowning triumph of ridiculousness.
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 05:08:54 PM
I couldn't care less about spoilers since I've pretty much decided this movie's a write off. I'm curious, though: did they actually give Spock a love interest?
I mean, seriously?
Yes, I thought it worked well.
Nice to see you be true to form in rejecting what is likely to be the highest rated non-animated movie of the year. (assuming that Pixar will once again win that honor)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 06:19:24 PM
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 05:08:54 PM
I couldn't care less about spoilers since I've pretty much decided this movie's a write off. I'm curious, though: did they actually give Spock a love interest?
I mean, seriously?
Yes, I thought it worked well.
Is there anything in the history of cinema you
don't think works well?
Oh negative Vinnie, I've missed you. :hug:
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 06:19:24 PM
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 05:08:54 PM
I couldn't care less about spoilers since I've pretty much decided this movie's a write off. I'm curious, though: did they actually give Spock a love interest?
I mean, seriously?
Yes, I thought it worked well.
Is there anything in the history of cinema you don't think works well?
There are plenty of movies that I haven't liked, I've even walked out of a theater just 30 minutes into a movie.
Quote from: garbon on May 09, 2009, 07:06:46 PM
Oh negative Vinnie, I've missed you. :hug:
The summer movie season, especially this decade, brings it out in me. Comic books and remakes, that's all we seem to get anymore. A few of them are good despite that, but so many of the ones that aren't make several hundred million dollars and result in five sequels. :bleeding:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 07:12:07 PM
There are plenty of movies that I haven't liked, I've even walked out of a theater just 30 minutes into a movie.
Did you ask for your money back?
Quote from: garbon on May 09, 2009, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 07:12:07 PM
There are plenty of movies that I haven't liked, I've even walked out of a theater just 30 minutes into a movie.
Did you ask for your money back?
I've never walked out of a movie (though I gave it serious thought when I went to see
The Thin Red Line) but does that ever actually work?
Quote from: garbon on May 09, 2009, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 07:12:07 PM
There are plenty of movies that I haven't liked, I've even walked out of a theater just 30 minutes into a movie.
Did you ask for your money back?
No, why waste my time? They're not gonna give money back just because the movie was awful.
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 07:17:18 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 09, 2009, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 07:12:07 PM
There are plenty of movies that I haven't liked, I've even walked out of a theater just 30 minutes into a movie.
Did you ask for your money back?
I've never walked out of a movie (though I gave it serious thought when I went to see The Thin Red Line) but does that ever actually work?
if you do it early enough. i haven't ever done it cause i disliked a movie. once becasue we came late and the seats sucked (a group of friends) and once because of little whiny kids
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Quote from: garbon on May 09, 2009, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 07:12:07 PM
There are plenty of movies that I haven't liked, I've even walked out of a theater just 30 minutes into a movie.
Did you ask for your money back?
No, why waste my time? They're not gonna give money back just because the movie was awful.
Alright, I'll ask, what was it you walked out of?
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 07:17:18 PM
I've never walked out of a movie (though I gave it serious thought when I went to see The Thin Red Line) but does that ever actually work?
It does if you have enough attitude. After all, what manager is going to want to piss off a customer over something like that?
Besides, it seems foolish to me to pay to see a movie and then just walk out. You've essentially just forked over money for free.
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 07:22:14 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 07:21:09 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 09, 2009, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 07:12:07 PM
There are plenty of movies that I haven't liked, I've even walked out of a theater just 30 minutes into a movie.
Did you ask for your money back?
No, why waste my time? They're not gonna give money back just because the movie was awful.
Alright, I'll ask, what was it you walked out of?
King Kong. it's why we never got our summary :D
Quote from: HVC on May 09, 2009, 07:21:48 PM
if you do it early enough.
yeah that too. obviously you can't watch most of the movie and then ask for a refund. :D
Quote from: HVC on May 09, 2009, 07:23:05 PM
King Kong. it's why we never got our summary :D
If so, that's only because he was afraid of jizzing in public.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 07:21:09 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 09, 2009, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 07:12:07 PM
There are plenty of movies that I haven't liked, I've even walked out of a theater just 30 minutes into a movie.
Did you ask for your money back?
No, why waste my time? They're not gonna give money back just because the movie was awful.
Uh most theaters will give you some kind of compensation (coupons/vouchers for free popcorn or sodas at the least if you walkout of theater, all depends when you leave, 30 mins into a flick sure, 5 mins left in film, not so much :P )
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 07:17:18 PM
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 07:12:07 PM
There are plenty of movies that I haven't liked, I've even walked out of a theater just 30 minutes into a movie.
Did you ask for your money back?
I've never walked out of a movie (though I gave it serious thought when I went to see The Thin Red Line) but does that ever actually work?
Only movie i can recall walking out of was Jerry Springers Ringmaster...i didn't ask for money back as was working at theater so got to see it for free.
Even drunk that movie was horrible.
I ran out of Little Mermaid. I was afraid.
Liked it, especially aesthetically, though in general I have to think that the Star Trek universe detracts far, far more than it adds. Its a dull universe populated (inexplicably, except from an economic perspective) by people who look human on the outside with them but are in no way related, though of course they can interbreed. Its also just dully materialist and utopian. Give me worm-like immortal God Emperors and intergalactic armies of lesbians any day.
Nero was underused, underdeveloped. Eric Bana is great, his makeup was great, but they didn't do enough.
So are the Romulans like the Imperial Romans with the Vulcans being the relatively logical, spartan Republicans? Kind of uninspired.
Quote from: Queequeg on May 09, 2009, 07:48:39 PM
in general I have to think that the Star Trek universe detracts far, far more than it adds.
Yup. Let it die people,
let it die. I like Star Trek but I think the universe's utility for telling new and interesting stories is very much at an end. Let it rest in peace, and stop trying to zombify it.
I'm shocked Timmay would like it since it's ya know a Socialist future.
Quote from: katmai on May 09, 2009, 08:01:31 PM
I'm shocked Timmay would like it since it's ya know a Socialist future.
The preachy socialistic moralising of TNG has been butterflied away.
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 07:22:14 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 07:21:09 PM
Quote from: garbon on May 09, 2009, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 07:12:07 PM
There are plenty of movies that I haven't liked, I've even walked out of a theater just 30 minutes into a movie.
Did you ask for your money back?
No, why waste my time? They're not gonna give money back just because the movie was awful.
Alright, I'll ask, what was it you walked out of?
Some Jackie Chan movie, I can't remember it's name but it was pretty damn afwul enough that even the martial arts couldn't save it for me and I usually like his movies.
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I'm shocked Timmay would like it since it's ya know a Socialist future.
The preachy socialistic moralising of TNG has been butterflied away.
Socialism I don't really have any problem with. In an economy of effortless abundance it makes a lot more sense, actually.
My problem is with the dullness of the people. The primary difference between Humans and Vulcans is that Vulcans are flamboyant in their lack of emotion.
I don't even understand what Starfleet does other than defense. Why go out to meet new civilizations if you don't need to exploit their resources or learn from their technology? Its more like a past time of the rich and bored.
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 07:59:01 PM
Yup. Let it die people, let it die. I like Star Trek but I think the universe's utility for telling new and interesting stories is very much at an end. Let it rest in peace, and stop trying to zombify it.
At this point, I'd say join them, Vinnie, as you ain't ever going to beat them. Reinvention and resurrection (with the necessary vivisection) is the spirit of this age. Like a hackneyed version of the Renaissance. :cool:
Quote from: Queequeg on May 09, 2009, 08:20:45 PM
Its more like a past time of the rich and bored.
What's wrong with that? :huh:
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Quote from: Queequeg on May 09, 2009, 07:48:39 PM
in general I have to think that the Star Trek universe detracts far, far more than it adds.
Yup. Let it die people, let it die. I like Star Trek but I think the universe's utility for telling new and interesting stories is very much at an end. Let it rest in peace, and stop trying to zombify it.
Agreed. The illogic of it annoys me.
Then again, I have huge amount of trouble getting into hard sci-fi these days. I found Firefly insane mostly because the idea that raging, zombie-like morons could pilot and maintain a fucking starship. And because Joss Whedon is talentless.
Only "hard" Sci-Fi universe I still like is probably Dune, and that's been fucked by Herbert's son.
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Its more like a past time of the rich and bored.
What's wrong with that? :huh:
Nothing really, but why does that have to be crossed with defense? It would make a lot more sense for relatively private ventures going out with some kind of government approval like the first European explorers. The fact that the Federation confuses the two might be the reason hostile aliens always get so close to blowing up earth. :lol:
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I'm shocked Timmay would like it since it's ya know a Socialist future.
The preachy socialistic moralising of TNG has been butterflied away.
Socialism I don't really have any problem with. In an economy of effortless abundance it makes a lot more sense, actually.
My problem is with the dullness of the people. The primary difference between Humans and Vulcans is that Vulcans are flamboyant in their lack of emotion.
I don't even understand what Starfleet does other than defense. Why go out to meet new civilizations if you don't need to exploit their resources or learn from their technology? Its more like a past time of the rich and bored.
Aside from defense they help people in distress whether man-made or natural disaster like the coast guard/national guard. They also do a lot of scientific research. As for exploration, there is still interstellar trade for luxury/exotic goods and one should always be on the look out for future threats. Also who says they don't learn from their technology? Earth got a lot of it's advanced technology from the Vulcans.
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I don't even understand what Starfleet does other than defense. Why go out to meet new civilizations if you don't need to exploit their resources or learn from their technology? Its more like a past time of the rich and bored.
Ever read any of Ian Bank's culture series?
Quote from: Faeelin on May 09, 2009, 08:58:23 PM
Ever read any of Ian Bank's culture series?
I love them. Start with Player of Games and move on from there. The best imo are Player of Games, Look to Windward, Consider Phlebas, and Excession. Inversions is also very good but doesn't fit the mold of the others.
Quote from: Cerr on May 09, 2009, 06:26:23 AM
Who's Tyler Perry?
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He's that guy that dresses up as a woman and makes all those lame ass "comedies" about a big fat black woman name Madea and all her adventures.:bleeding:
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Ah ok. Don't think those movies have made it over here. He was fine though in the small role he had in Star Trek.
Be thankful. Because that shit looks retarded. But yeah he was okay for his role in Star Trek.
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 05:08:54 PM
I couldn't care less about spoilers since I've pretty much decided this movie's a write off. I'm curious, though: did they actually give Spock a love interest?
I mean, seriously?
***spolier sort of i guess***
Yeah. Uhura was his love interest. I thought it was retarded but Ide liked it. :rolleyes:
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Yup. Let it die people, let it die. I like Star Trek but I think the universe's utility for telling new and interesting stories is very much at an end. Let it rest in peace, and stop trying to zombify it.
At this point, I'd say join them, Vinnie, as you ain't ever going to beat them. Reinvention and resurrection (with the necessary vivisection) is the spirit of this age. Like a hackneyed version of the Renaissance. :cool:
Honest to god, I keep trying. It's clear enough that you're right, and the only way to have any damned fun with the pop culture of the next few years is going to be to not be bothered by these sorts of things, but I haven't had much luck getting over it. :( It really is the age of zombie pop culture, raising properties from the dead as crude parodies of themselves.
Quote from: Korea on May 09, 2009, 09:30:10 PM
Yeah. Uhura was his love interest. I thought it was retarded but Ide liked it. :rolleyes:
You were right, Ide was wrong. In other words, business as usual. :P
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 09:30:11 PM
Honest to god, I keep trying. It's clear enough that you're right, and the only way to have any damned fun with the pop culture of the next few years is going to be to not be bothered by these sorts of things, but I haven't had much luck getting over it. :( It really is the age of zombie pop culture, raising properties from the dead as crude parodies of themselves.
That said, I've been amused by the 80s inspired efforts of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, The Killers, and Lady Gaga. As well as attempts by Adele, Duffy, Sarah Bareilles, and Tegan & Sara to emulate Jewel-Alanis-Phair-Amos-Crow.
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Yeah. Uhura was his love interest. I thought it was retarded but Ide liked it. :rolleyes:
You were right, Ide was wrong. In other words, business as usual. :P
:D
Watched it. Really Liked it.
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Spoilers***
Yeah. Uhura was his love interest. I thought it was retarded but Ide liked it. :rolleyes:
You were right, Ide was wrong. In other words, business as usual. :P
Spoilers***
Actually in the context of the movie it made sense, or at least wasn't glaring. He's an indifferent boyfriend at most.
The movie didn't suck. That alone was an enormous shock. It was in fact rather enjoyable. The whole time travel thing made an entirely new series possible. Maybe that won't suck too.
I gather this is more "action-adventure" than it is "Star Trek", which is probably a good thing.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 09, 2009, 10:34:26 PM
The movie didn't suck. That alone was an enormous shock. It was in fact rather enjoyable. The whole time travel thing made an entirely new series possible. Maybe that won't suck too.
After
all that whining, you finally came to this conclusion?
@Spellus: I dunno why Trek seems to pass over the writers who actually have a feel for the universe, especially the ones who got the knack of the TNG-era stuff. "Ship of the Line," by Diane Carey, was a great read that fleshed out a cameo character played by Kelsey Grammer, Morgan Bateson, as a temporally displaced Starfleet "beat cop." In addition to giving Kirk-era Starfleet even more of a naval feel, it actually dealt with the effects of suddenly being stranded a century in the future on the crew of the USS Bozeman. The writing is definitely out there, but for some reason, the best writing is totally passed over for the big screen.
Is it just me, or does virtually all Sci-Fi or even fantasy pale in comparison to how amazingly cool history is?
Maybe the wrong topic, but I'm curious. I'm mystified by how much detail there is in these fantasy worlds, how much people know about them, when there is real history to learn and discuss.
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Spoilers***
Yeah. Uhura was his love interest. I thought it was retarded but Ide liked it. :rolleyes:
You were right, Ide was wrong. In other words, business as usual. :P
Spoilers***
Actually in the context of the movie it made sense, or at least wasn't glaring. He's an indifferent boyfriend at most.
Well obviously, but Korea doesn't hold it against him so why should we?
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Spoilerish Question
Romulus. Go back and watch the second part of the TNG episode Reunification, Spock answers your question. :contract:
Ok, give me the fucking answer!
I refuse to watch the TNG.
Quote from: garbon on May 09, 2009, 09:47:32 PM
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 09:30:11 PM
Honest to god, I keep trying. It's clear enough that you're right, and the only way to have any damned fun with the pop culture of the next few years is going to be to not be bothered by these sorts of things, but I haven't had much luck getting over it. :( It really is the age of zombie pop culture, raising properties from the dead as crude parodies of themselves.
That said, I've been amused by the 80s inspired efforts of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, The Killers, and Lady Gaga. As well as attempts by Adele, Duffy, Sarah Bareilles, and Tegan & Sara to emulate Jewel-Alanis-Phair-Amos-Crow.
I love Lady Gaga!!!
Quote from: Queequeg on May 10, 2009, 12:06:01 AM
Is it just me, or does virtually all Sci-Fi or even fantasy pale in comparison to how amazingly cool history is?
Maybe the wrong topic, but I'm curious. I'm mystified by how much detail there is in these fantasy worlds, how much people know about them, when there is real history to learn and discuss.
Thats a good point.
Who The Fuck are you again?
Quote from: garbon on May 09, 2009, 07:22:50 PM
Besides, it seems foolish to me to pay to see a movie and then just walk out. You've essentially just forked over money for free.
I think it makes more sense than wasting your time by staying to watch the movie you don't like, after you have already wasted your money on it.
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Quote from: katmai on May 09, 2009, 08:01:31 PM
I'm shocked Timmay would like it since it's ya know a Socialist future.
The preachy socialistic moralising of TNG has been butterflied away.
Socialism I don't really have any problem with. In an economy of effortless abundance it makes a lot more sense, actually.
My problem is with the dullness of the people. The primary difference between Humans and Vulcans is that Vulcans are flamboyant in their lack of emotion.
I don't even understand what Starfleet does other than defense. Why go out to meet new civilizations if you don't need to exploit their resources or learn from their technology? Its more like a past time of the rich and bored.
Aside from defense they help people in distress whether man-made or natural disaster like the coast guard/national guard. They also do a lot of scientific research. As for exploration, there is still interstellar trade for luxury/exotic goods and one should always be on the look out for future threats. Also who says they don't learn from their technology? Earth got a lot of it's advanced technology from the Vulcans.
Why would you want to trade for luxury/exotic goods if you can just replicate everything?
It's not like a common hen's egg should be easier to replicate than a spotted egg of the Andorrian headless chicken, for example.
Quote from: Queequeg on May 10, 2009, 12:06:01 AM
Is it just me, or does virtually all Sci-Fi or even fantasy pale in comparison to how amazingly cool history is?
Maybe the wrong topic, but I'm curious. I'm mystified by how much detail there is in these fantasy worlds, how much people know about them, when there is real history to learn and discuss.
Well, art imitates life. An imitation can never surpass the original in the level of complexity or diversity.
The one thing I like about Star Trek, as opposed to most sci-fi and fantasy, is that it doesn't spend an assload of time hitting us with made-up sounding words and names. I read loads of fiction, but nowadays, when I pick up a fantasy or sci-fi novel from the library and I get hit with a half-dozen nonsensical syllables that are supposed to be the protagonist's name, I instantly put the book down. I blame Tolkien.
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Yeah. Uhura was his love interest. I thought it was retarded but Ide liked it. :rolleyes:
You were right, Ide was wrong. In other words, business as usual. :P
Spoilers***
Actually in the context of the movie it made sense, or at least wasn't glaring. He's an indifferent boyfriend at most.
Hope she doesn't mind fucking every seven years.
I don't think it made that much sense because of the fact that he was so distant and didn't really act like a boyfriend except when they made out every once in a while. It seems unlikely that a girl would put up with that bullshit for long.
Also, wasn't he her instructor or superior or something?
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Yeah. Uhura was his love interest. I thought it was retarded but Ide liked it. :rolleyes:
You were right, Ide was wrong. In other words, business as usual. :P
Spoilers***
Actually in the context of the movie it made sense, or at least wasn't glaring. He's an indifferent boyfriend at most.
Well obviously, but Korea doesn't hold it against him so why should we?
:lol:
Quote from: Scipio on May 10, 2009, 05:51:58 AM
The one thing I like about Star Trek, as opposed to most sci-fi and fantasy, is that it doesn't spend an assload of time hitting us with made-up sounding words and names. I read loads of fiction, but nowadays, when I pick up a fantasy or sci-fi novel from the library and I get hit with a half-dozen nonsensical syllables that are supposed to be the protagonist's name, I instantly put the book down. I blame Tolkien.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fthagn!
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Yeah. Uhura was his love interest. I thought it was retarded but Ide liked it. :rolleyes:
You were right, Ide was wrong. In other words, business as usual. :P
Spoilers***
Actually in the context of the movie it made sense, or at least wasn't glaring. He's an indifferent boyfriend at most.
Hope she doesn't mind fucking every seven years.
He's half human, maybe he can do it more often?
Nice post. Have plans watching it. Good to be informed all about this. Thanks.
Quote from: vinraith on May 09, 2009, 07:59:01 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on May 09, 2009, 07:48:39 PM
in general I have to think that the Star Trek universe detracts far, far more than it adds.
Yup. Let it die people, let it die. I like Star Trek but I think the universe's utility for telling new and interesting stories is very much at an end. Let it rest in peace, and stop trying to zombify it.
That said, the Retro-Future aesthetic would have been a lot harder to pull off if it wasn't an established series back in the day. I'm a little conflicted.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 08:14:13 PM
Some Jackie Chan movie, I can't remember it's name but it was pretty damn afwul enough that even the martial arts couldn't save it for me and I usually like his movies.
RACIST.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 09, 2009, 08:14:13 PM
Some Jackie Chan movie, I can't remember it's name but it was pretty damn afwul enough that even the martial arts couldn't save it for me and I usually like his movies.
RACIST.
:huh:
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Spoilerish Question
Romulus. Go back and watch the second part of the TNG episode Reunification, Spock answers your question. :contract:
Ok, give me the fucking answer!
I refuse to watch the TNG.
Then watch the Goddamn eighth episode of the original series. Romulans are Vulcans. You know, like Jews are Arabs.
Quote from: VinraithYup. Let it die people, let it die. I like Star Trek but I think the universe's utility for telling new and interesting stories is very much at an end. Let it rest in peace, and stop trying to zombify it.
It was a great movie, you big ol' negative nancy. :lol: The only big problem was that the villain was a little undermotivated, and then only slightly--this may even be fixed in the extended cut.
As for the charges that exploration is pointless in Trek, well, obviously they're getting the vast energy they require to run those replicators and transporters and shit from somewhere. They're seeking out and fighting over x-ray binaries and such that they use to power their antimatter refineries.
QuoteWell obviously, but Korea doesn't hold it against him so why should we?
I need everyone to continue performing admirably.
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Romulus. Go back and watch the second part of the TNG episode Reunification, Spock answers your question. :contract:
Ok, give me the fucking answer!
I refuse to watch the TNG.
Then watch the Goddamn eighth episode of the original series. Romulans are Vulcans. You know, like Jews are Arabs.
Quote from: VinraithYup. Let it die people, let it die. I like Star Trek but I think the universe's utility for telling new and interesting stories is very much at an end. Let it rest in peace, and stop trying to zombify it.
It was a great movie, you big ol' negative nancy. :lol: The only big problem was that the villain was a little undermotivated, and then only slightly--this may even be fixed in the extended cut.
As for the charges that exploration is pointless in Trek, well, obviously they're getting the vast energy they require to run those replicators and transporters and shit from somewhere. They're seeking out and fighting over x-ray binaries and such that they use to power their antimatter refineries.
QuoteWell obviously, but Korea doesn't hold it against him so why should we?
I need everyone to continue performing admirably.
They're also fighting over dilithium crystals!
In my opinion, Deep Space 9 and Enterprise were the only ones with believable goals for Starfleet (Enterprise was humanity adjusting to increased mobility, and DS9 reined in the exploration aspect and made Starfleet's strongest current parallels the Navy, the Coast Guard, and the US Geological Survey).
Romulans are Vulcans. It was hinted at in the original series, and Spock told Picard so in Reunification.
There was a split because Vulcans were insular and reflective, while the Romulans refused to give up on emotion and were expansionist. So while there might be a pocket colony somewhere of Vulcans, pretty much any Vulcan colony would be a Romulan colony.
That could have a huge impact on a revised TNG era, since so much of Starfleet's tactical and science commands is composed of Vulcans, and it's not unreasonable to assume that Vulcans on the home front and in Starfleet were working to check the expansion of Romulans.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 10, 2009, 03:02:36 PM
That could have a huge impact on a revised TNG era, since so much of Starfleet's tactical and science commands is composed of Vulcans, and it's not unreasonable to assume that Vulcans on the home front and in Starfleet were working to check the expansion of Romulans.
On the other hand, Federation Earth also seems nastier, no?
Saw it today. Five Tims out of five ( :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: / :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: )
I probably would have given it four out of five, but I loved that Captain Nero was piloting Lavos around.
Also, to whatever curmudgeon was earlier bitching about the fact that humans, Vulcans/Romulans, Klingons, etc. all look so similar--while the obvious reason is due to TOS's low budget, over the years a relatively plausible explanation as to why this is the case has been written into Trek canon. ^_^
Quote from: FunkMonk on May 09, 2009, 10:41:20 PM
I gather this is more "action-adventure" than it is "Star Trek", which is probably a good thing.
You know, I was just thinking about that. When was the last time there was a good action/adventure movie set in space?
It strikes me I wouldn't be giving this thing a second thought if it wasn't called "Star Trek." :blush: :nerd:
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Yeah. Uhura was his love interest. I thought it was retarded but Ide liked it. :rolleyes:
You were right, Ide was wrong. In other words, business as usual. :P
Spoilers***
Actually in the context of the movie it made sense, or at least wasn't glaring. He's an indifferent boyfriend at most.
Hope she doesn't mind fucking every seven years.
He's half human, maybe he can do it more often?
I guess but I thought there was a big brouhaha in TOS when his ponfar (sp?) came up.
Quote from: vinraith on May 10, 2009, 04:52:11 PM
It strikes me I wouldn't be giving this thing a second thought if it wasn't called "Star Trek." :blush: :nerd:
Exactly. Let go of your impression that "Star Trek" is anything special any more, and just go with the flow.
If it helps, just watch some third-season TOS and you will see that there was some pretty awful stuff in Trek right from the start.
I really enjoyed it, which surprised me since I never really got much of Star Trek before. Nicely done.
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It strikes me I wouldn't be giving this thing a second thought if it wasn't called "Star Trek." :blush: :nerd:
Exactly. Let go of your impression that "Star Trek" is anything special any more, and just go with the flow.
If it helps, just watch some third-season TOS and you will see that there was some pretty awful stuff in Trek right from the start.
It's less about the universe and more about the underlying idea of recasting a group of characters whose only real characteristics are a product of being played by a specific group of actors. I'm not concerned with Trek canon, it barely has one, and if the names of the crew members were something else I would be totally unbothered by the entire thing.
That said, I have a group of friends going tomorrow night begging me to come along (to the point of paying for my ticket) so I suppose I'll find out for myself just how much of an issue it really is in practice.
Oh, and just to prove my original point that no-one can out-Kirk Shatner:
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that Chris Pine. :D
Well, I would never think of Barney = Kirk
Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2009, 04:27:03 PM
Well, what was the point of the car chase scene with even younger Kirk?
Sheer coolness.
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Quote from: Phillip V on May 08, 2009, 04:27:03 PM
Well, what was the point of the car chase scene with even younger Kirk?
Sheer coolness.
:XD: So much cheese that, if you melted the movie down, it would make a delicious fondue.
Apparently one of the cut scenes was of an abusive alcoholic uncle or something like that and Kirk stole the car to get back at him.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 07:23:50 PM
Apparently one of the cut scenes was of an abusive alcoholic uncle or something like that and Kirk stole the car to get back at him.
The guy that was on the future star trek phone thingy?