The top 3 sellers on Amazon.com's book list...and much like voting for Martin O'Malley, nobody's admitting to it. :mad:
QuoteSpanking Goes Mainstream
From the steamy bestseller Fifty Shades of Grey to HBO's Girls, sexual domination is in vogue. Katie Roiphe on why women's power at work may be fueling the craze.
If every era gets the sadist it deserves, it may not be surprising that we have ended up with Christian Grey, the hero of the runaway bestseller Fifty Shades of Grey. He is not twisted or frightening or in possession of a heart of darkness; he was abused as a child, a sadist Oprah could have dreamed up, or as E L James puts it, "Christian Grey has a sad side." He is also extremely solicitous and apologetic for a sadist, always asking the book's young heroine, Anastasia Steele, about every minute gradation of her feelings, and bringing her all kinds of creams and lotions to soothe her after spanking her. He is, in other words, the easiest difficult man of all time.
Why does this particular, watered-down, skinny-vanilla-latte version of sadomasochism have such cachet right now? Why have masses of women brought the book to the top of the New York Times bestseller list before it even hit the stores? Most likely it's the happy convergence of the superficial transgression with comfortable archetypes, the blushing virgin and the whips. To a certain, I guess, rather large, population, it has a semipornographic glamour, a dangerous frisson of boundary crossing, but at the same time is delivering reassuringly safe, old-fashioned romantic roles. Reading Fifty Shades of Grey is no more risqué or rebellious or disturbing than, say, shopping for a pair of black boots or an arty asymmetrical dress at Barneys.
As it happens, the prevailing stereotype of the Fifty Shades of Grey reader, distilled in the condescending term "mommy porn," as an older, suburban, possibly Midwestern woman isn't entirely accurate: according to the publisher's data, gleaned from Facebook, Google searches, and fan sites, more than half the women reading the book are in their 20s and 30s, and far more urban and blue state than the rampant caricature of them suggests.
The current vogue for domination is not confined to surreptitious iPad reading: in Lena Dunham's acclaimed new series, Girls, about 20-somethings adrift in New York City, a similar desire for sexual submission has already emerged as a theme. The heroine's pale hipsterish ersatz boyfriend jokes, "You modern career women, I know what you like ..." and his idea, however awkwardly enacted, is that they like to be dominated. He says things like "You should never be anyone's ... slave, except mine," and calls down from a window: "If you come up I'm going to tie you up and keep you here for three days. I'm just in that kind of mood." She comes back from seeing him with bruises and sheepishly tells her gay college boyfriend at a bar, "I am seeing this guy and sometimes I let him hit me on the side of my body."
Her close friend and roommate, meanwhile, has a sweet, sensitive, respectful boyfriend in the new mold who asks her what she wants in bed, and she is bored out of her mind and irritated by him; she fantasizes instead about an arrogant artist she meets at the gallery where she works, who tells her that he will scare her in bed. So nice postfeminist boys are not what these ambitious, liberal-arts-educated girls are looking for either: they are also, in their exquisitely ironic, confused way, in the market for a little creative submission.
Further signals of the current cultural interest in sexual domination include the recent movie A Dangerous Method, which safely embedded spanking in a period piece exploring the history of psychoanalysis. Keira Knightley told interviewers that she was so concerned about the spanking scene during which her character was tied to a bedpost that, in order to get through it, she drank shots of vodka beforehand.
It is intriguing that huge numbers of women are eagerly consuming myriad and disparate fantasies of submission at a moment when women are ascendant in the workplace, when they make up almost 60 percent of college students, when they are close to surpassing men as breadwinners, with four in 10 working women now outearning their husbands, when the majority of women under 30 are having and supporting children on their own, a moment when—in hard economic terms—women are less dependent or subjugated than before.
It is probably no coincidence that, as more books like The Richer Sex by Liza Mundy and Hanna Rosin's forthcoming The End of Men appear, there is a renewed popular interest in the stylized theater of female powerlessness. This is not to mention a spate of articles on choosing not to be married or the steep rise in young women choosing single motherhood. We may then be especially drawn to this particular romanticized, erotically charged, semipornographic idea of female submission at a moment in history when male dominance is shakier than it has ever been.
In the realm of private fantasy, the allure of sexual submission, even in its extremes, is remarkably widespread. An analysis of 20 studies published in Psychology Today estimates that between 31 percent and 57 percent of women entertain fantasies where they are forced to have sex. "Rape fantasies are a place where politics and Eros meet, uneasily," says Daniel Bergner, who is working on a book on female desire to be published next year. "It is where what we say and what is stand next to each other, mismatched." The researchers and psychologists he talked to for his 2009 New York Times article, "What Do Women Want?" often seemed reluctant to use the phrase "rape fantasy," and in scholarly pieces, the idea makes even the chroniclers of these fantasies extremely nervous and apologetic. Even though fantasies are something that, by definition, one can't control, they seem to be saying something about modern women that nearly everyone wishes wasn't said. One of the researchers he interviewed preferred to call them "fantasies of submission"; another said, "It's the wish to be beyond will, beyond thought."
But why, for women especially, would free will be a burden? Why is it appealing to think of what happens in the passive tense? Why is it so interesting to surrender, or to play at surrendering? It may be that power is not always that comfortable, even for those of us who grew up in it; it may be that equality is something we want only sometimes and in some places and in some arenas; it may be that power and all of its imperatives can be boring.
In Girls, Lena Dunham's character finds herself for a moment lying on a gynecologist's table perversely fantasizing about having AIDS because it would free her from ambition, from responsibility, from the daunting need to make something of her life. It's a great scene, a vivid piece of real-seeming weirdness, which raises the question: is there something exhausting about the relentless responsibility of a contemporary woman's life, about the pressure of economic participation, about all that strength and independence and desire and going out into the world? It may be that, for some, the more theatrical fantasies of sexual surrender offer a release, a vacation, an escape from the dreariness and hard work of equality.
Which is not to say that baroque stories of sexual submission are new. Sadomasochism is, of course, what someone I know referred to as "a hearty perennial." It has always existed in secret pockets, and periodically some small glimmer of it breaks into mainstream culture and fascinates us. But the S&M classics of the past make fewer compromises with normal life; they don't traffic in things as banal or ordinary as love.
In Story of O, the famous French novel written by Pauline Réage in 1954, the heroine is elaborately trained to be a slave, after being whisked off to a chateau where masked men whip her and abuse her sexually. O's masochism begins as an intense devotion to her lover but quickly turns into something else: O begins to vacate herself; she loses her personality in the pure discipline of pain. The cool, elegant, brutal novel culminates in a scene where O is wearing an owl mask and is led on a chain naked into a party, where it occurs to none of the guests that she is human. When Susan Sontag wrote about O, she talked about "the voluptuous yearning toward the extinction of one's consciousness." Which is of course a far cry from Christian emailing "Laters, baby" to Anastasia.
Every so often a book comes along that absorbs us and generates discussion about bondage and power, with eroticized scenes of rape or colorful submission: books such as The Ages of Lulu and The Sexual Life of Catherine M. What is interesting is that this material still, in our jaded porn-saturated age, manages to be titillating or controversial or newsworthy. We still seem to want to debate or interrogate or voyeuristically absorb scenes of extreme sexual submission. Even though we are, at this point, familiar with sadomasochism, it still seems to strike the culture as new, as shocking, as overturning certain values, because something in it still feels, to a surprisingly large segment of our tolerant post-sexual-revolution world, wrong or shameful.
One of the salient facts about Fifty Shades of Grey's Anastasia Steele is that she is not into sadomasochism, she is just in love with Christian Grey ("Deep down I would just like more, more affection, more playful Christian, more ... love"), so she is willing to give beatings and leather crops the old college try. This is important for a mainstream heroine appealing to mainstream readers: she indulges in the slightly out-there fantasy of whipping and humiliation without actually taking responsibility for any off-kilter desires. She can enjoy his punishments and leather whips and mild humiliations without ever having to say that she sought them out or chose them. It's not that she wants to be whipped, it's that she willingly endures it out of love for, and maybe in an effort to save, a handsome man. This little trick of the mind, of course, is one of the central aspects of sexual submission: you can experience it without claiming responsibility, without committing to actually wanting it, which has a natural appeal to both our puritan past and our post-ironic present.
When Maggie Gyllenhaal appeared in Secretary, a 2002 comic commentary on a boss disciplining his assistant, she was worried about a feminist reaction against the flamboyant depiction of sexual domination. But she said, "I found women, especially of my generation, are moved by it in some way that goes beyond politics."
Explaining the endurance of submissive sexual fantasies, the feminist Katha Pollitt says, "Women have more sexual freedom and more power than ever before in our history, but that does not mean they have a lot of either, and it doesn't mean they don't have complicated feelings of guilt, shame and unworthiness." Over the years researchers and psychologists have theorized that women harbor elaborate fantasies about sexual submission because they feel guilty or skittish about claiming responsibility for their own desires: they are more comfortable being wanted than wanting, in other words. But more recent studies show that the women who fantasize about being forced to have sex are actually less prone to guilt than those who don't. In any event, that theory seems too simple or at least too 19th-century an answer for the modern woman: it is not as much guilt over sex but rather something more basically liberating about being overcome or overpowered. The thrill here is irrational, untouched by who one is in life, immune to the critical or sensible voice, the fine education, or good job.
Feminists have long been perplexed by our continuing investment in this fantasy, the residual desire to be controlled or dominated in the romantic sphere. They are on the record as appalled at how many strong, successful, independent women are caught up in elaborate fantasies of submission (and realities, of course, but that's another story). Gloria Steinem writes that these women "have been raised to believe that sex and domination are synonymous," and we must learn to "finally untangle sex and aggression." But maybe sex and aggression should not, and probably more to the point, cannot be untangled.
Recently on talk shows there has been a certain amount of upstanding feminist tsk-tsking about the retrograde soft-core exploitation of women in Fifty Shades of Grey, and there seem to be no shortage of liberal pundits asking, "Is this what they went to the barricades for?" But of course the barricades have always been oddly irrelevant to intimate life. As the brilliant feminist thinker Simone de Beauvoir answered when someone asked her if her subjugation to Jean-Paul Sartre in her personal life was at odds with her feminist theories: "Well, I just don't give a damn ... I'm sorry to disappoint all the feminists, but you can say it's too bad so many of them live only in theory instead of in real life."
In her controversial and revealing meditation on her own obsession with spanking in the New Yorker, Daphne Merkin speculated about the tension between her identity as a "formidable" woman and her yearning for a sexualized childish punishment. She writes, "Equality between men and women, or even the pretext of it, takes a lot of work and may not in any case be the surest route to sexual excitement."
It is perhaps inconvenient for feminism that the erotic imagination does not submit to politics, or even changing demographic realities; it doesn't care about The End of Men or peruse feminist blogs in its spare time; it doesn't remember the hard work and dedication of the suffragettes and assorted other picket-sign wavers. The incandescent fantasy of being dominated or overcome by a man shows no sign of vanishing with equal pay for equal work, and may in fact gain in intensity and take new, inventive—or in the case of Fifty Shades of Grey, not so inventive—forms.
In fact, if I were a member of the Christian right, sitting on my front porch decrying the decadent morals of working American women, what would be most alarming about the Fifty Shades of Grey phenomena, what gives it its true edge of desperation, and end-of-the-world ambience, is that millions of otherwise intelligent women are willing to tolerate prose on this level. If you are willing to slog through sentences like "In spite of my poignant sadness, I laugh," or "My world is crumbling around me into a sterile pile of ashes, all my hopes and dreams cruelly dashed," you must really, really, want to get to the submissive sex scene.
You actually read those books. Yet you dont like tats on a broad........ :yeahright:
I will repeat my hypotheses. Women want to be dominated. For all that fancy feminism talk, they want you to choke them during sex.
Quote from: 11B4V on May 11, 2012, 06:59:22 AM
You actually read those books. Yet you dont like tats on a broad........ :yeahright:
I don't read that tripe. I just want to meet the chicks that do.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2012, 07:02:44 AM
I will repeat my hypotheses. Women want to be dominated. For all that fancy feminism talk, they want you to choke them during sex.
I couldnt agree more. All women are dirty birds at heart.
According to a review I read, that Fifty shades of grey book was actually pretty tame and prude, and could only be described as dirty by repressed Mormon housewives.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2012, 07:02:44 AM
I will repeat my hypotheses. Women want to be dominated. For all that fancy feminism talk, they want you to choke them during sex.
Only after a certain point of the courtship ritual. Like seeing a bank statement.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 11, 2012, 07:14:09 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2012, 07:02:44 AM
I will repeat my hypotheses. Women want to be dominated. For all that fancy feminism talk, they want you to choke them during sex.
Only after a certain point of the courtship ritual. Like seeing a bank statement.
:lol: and a background check, references, and pshyco work up, and poly.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2012, 07:02:44 AM
I will repeat my hypotheses. Women want to be dominated. For all that fancy feminism talk, they want you to choke them during sex.
And they love being peed on.
"I so want to tie you to the shower head and beat you with a bag of clumping kitty litter."
"Oh my God, you freak, you need to respect me for who I am."
"I cleared $146,000 last year."
"Beat me like the whore I am."
Quote from: Josephus on May 11, 2012, 07:18:41 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2012, 07:02:44 AM
I will repeat my hypotheses. Women want to be dominated. For all that fancy feminism talk, they want you to choke them during sex.
And they love being peed on.
Ick.
The most important thing I ever learned from any living creature I learned from my dog. The happy dog is the dog that knows it's ambition and has fulfilled it's ambition. This applies to all social creatures.
It's not that women want to be dominated, they want to find a man worth following. Her stone age mind is aspiring for the clan chiefs sleeping pelt. Women don't want their equal, they want their superior, just as men don't want their equal they want their inferior. This is seen most obviously in the 2-5 year age gap of men over women in all sexually liberated and gender equal societies.
As it was with my dog, domination was a form of love and a form of indoctrination. I would routinely play with my dogs food, while the dog was watching to show the dog where it's place was. Every time we had horseplay and mock fights the end was always my fingers giving the dogs neck a quick (soft) pinches across the aesophagus to demonstrate that I had won.
He spends time, energy and thought on teaching her what her place is in his society, she aquiesces to show her willingness to accept it. I don't think this is strange at all. I think this is something considered taboo that people have known all along. It is only first now that women are free to participate in this arrangement without having the excuse of pre-feminist patriarchy to justify it. Now women have to explain why they submit to themselves and to the rest of society since they have no excuse not to.
Women have been letting men walk over them since before the dawn of our species. It is only now that they can choose to stand up for themselves that they have to explaine why they don't.
Dont get laid much, huh?
Quote from: 11B4V on May 11, 2012, 07:22:22 AM
Dont get laid much, huh?
nobody gets laid enough.. it's more a case of me being shocked by what I am permitted to get away with.
Quote from: Viking on May 11, 2012, 07:20:20 AM
Women don't want their equal, they want their superior, just as men don't want their equal they want their inferior. This is seen most obviously in the 2-5 year age gap of men over women in all sexually liberated and gender equal societies.
As it's impossible to find anyone who's superior to
moi, I'll settle for young, poor and pretty.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2012, 07:02:44 AM
I will repeat my hypotheses. Women want to be dominated. For all that fancy feminism talk, they want you to choke them during sex.
Feminism doesn't say anything about getting dirty in bed.
I'm waiting to hear from the seduction community.
Quote from: garbon on May 11, 2012, 08:06:33 AM
I'm waiting to here from the seduction community.
:lol: Should be in caps, and incorporated. Or at least an LLC.
hear not here :(
Quote from: Valmy on May 11, 2012, 08:05:41 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2012, 07:02:44 AM
I will repeat my hypotheses. Women want to be dominated. For all that fancy feminism talk, they want you to choke them during sex.
Feminism doesn't say anything about getting dirty in bed.
Hush you.
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I saw something odd yesterday - at the local chain bookstore a sign "PERFECT FOR MOTHER'S DAY" over ... a big pile of "Fifty Shades of Grey". :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 08:59:40 AM
I saw something odd yesterday - at the local chain bookstore a sign "PERFECT FOR MOTHER'S DAY" over ... a big pile of "Fifty Shades of Grey". :hmm:
Hence the term "Mommy Porn".
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 11, 2012, 09:00:12 AM
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 08:59:40 AM
I saw something odd yesterday - at the local chain bookstore a sign "PERFECT FOR MOTHER'S DAY" over ... a big pile of "Fifty Shades of Grey". :hmm:
Hence the term "Mommy Porn".
Fair enough - is it considered socially acceptable now to buy porn for one's mother?
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 08:59:40 AM
I saw something odd yesterday - at the local chain bookstore a sign "PERFECT FOR MOTHER'S DAY" over ... a big pile of "Fifty Shades of Grey". :hmm:
Not that odd, really. I think women are the target market for that book. You might be thinking
your mother, but there's plenty of moms under 50 ;)
I'm reading the newest John Irving book which has a lot of weird sex in it. (gays, bis, transgendered and stuff). My mom's a John Iriving fan. She's in her 70s, conservative and Catholic. Not sure I'm going to give her it when I'm done, as I normally do with Irving books.
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 09:02:38 AM
Fair enough - is it considered socially acceptable now to buy porn for one's mother?
Yeah there is really no way that is not creepy. I guess if you have a good friend who a mom and you buy her the book for mother's day....nah even that is weird.
Quote from: Valmy on May 11, 2012, 09:11:54 AM
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 09:02:38 AM
Fair enough - is it considered socially acceptable now to buy porn for one's mother?
Yeah there is really no way that is not creepy. I guess if you have a good friend who a mom and you buy her the book for mother's day....nah even that is weird.
I'm thinking about sending Nook gift certificates to my undersexed-just-filed-for-limited-divorce-on-Monday SoccerMom and single-divorced-for-3-years-just-found-out-she's-totally-fucking-submissive lady friends.
Here's SNL's take on Mother's day and that book. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW-4Fn-d9OY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW-4Fn-d9OY)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 11, 2012, 09:00:12 AM
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 08:59:40 AM
I saw something odd yesterday - at the local chain bookstore a sign "PERFECT FOR MOTHER'S DAY" over ... a big pile of "Fifty Shades of Grey". :hmm:
Hence the term "Mommy Porn".
The wife bought a copy. :blush:
Quote from: Berkut on May 11, 2012, 09:20:51 AM
The wife bought a copy. :blush:
Here is your chance Berk. Bring out your dominant side.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 11, 2012, 09:00:12 AM
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 08:59:40 AM
I saw something odd yesterday - at the local chain bookstore a sign "PERFECT FOR MOTHER'S DAY" over ... a big pile of "Fifty Shades of Grey". :hmm:
Hence the term "Mommy Porn".
I call it Flick Lit
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 11, 2012, 09:17:14 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 11, 2012, 09:11:54 AM
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 09:02:38 AM
Fair enough - is it considered socially acceptable now to buy porn for one's mother?
Yeah there is really no way that is not creepy. I guess if you have a good friend who a mom and you buy her the book for mother's day....nah even that is weird.
I'm thinking about sending Nook gift certificates to my undersexed-just-filed-for-limited-divorce-on-Monday SoccerMom and single-divorced-for-3-years-just-found-out-she's-totally-fucking-submissive lady friends.
Yeah but you're creepy weird! :P
Quote from: garbon on May 11, 2012, 09:25:48 AM
Yeah but you're creepy weird! :P
Yeah, yeah I am.
Quote from: Josephus on May 11, 2012, 09:02:58 AM
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 08:59:40 AM
I saw something odd yesterday - at the local chain bookstore a sign "PERFECT FOR MOTHER'S DAY" over ... a big pile of "Fifty Shades of Grey". :hmm:
Not that odd, really. I think women are the target market for that book. You might be thinking your mother, but there's plenty of moms under 50 ;)
Who buys their mom porn, whatever age they are? :huh:
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 09:30:46 AM
Quote from: Josephus on May 11, 2012, 09:02:58 AM
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 08:59:40 AM
I saw something odd yesterday - at the local chain bookstore a sign "PERFECT FOR MOTHER'S DAY" over ... a big pile of "Fifty Shades of Grey". :hmm:
Not that odd, really. I think women are the target market for that book. You might be thinking your mother, but there's plenty of moms under 50 ;)
Who buys their mom porn, whatever age they are? :huh:
It's not porn.
Quote from: Valmy on May 11, 2012, 09:23:18 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 11, 2012, 09:20:51 AM
The wife bought a copy. :blush:
Here is your chance Berk. Bring out your dominant side.
[CdM] Work on being a billionaire. The dominant part comes easy then. [/CdM]
Quote from: The Larch on May 11, 2012, 09:19:53 AM
Here's SNL's take on Mother's day and that book. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW-4Fn-d9OY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW-4Fn-d9OY)
That was awesome. :lol:
Quote from: The Larch on May 11, 2012, 09:31:57 AM
It's not porn.
I haven't had the pleasure of actually reading it, but it is certainly marketed as "erotica".
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 09:34:04 AM
Quote from: The Larch on May 11, 2012, 09:31:57 AM
It's not porn.
I haven't had the pleasure of actually reading it, but it is certainly marketed as "erotica".
According to the review I read there's hardly any sex at all in the book.
Deviants.
"Erotica" means boring as fuck with ironically no fuck.
Quote from: The Larch on May 11, 2012, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 09:34:04 AM
Quote from: The Larch on May 11, 2012, 09:31:57 AM
It's not porn.
I haven't had the pleasure of actually reading it, but it is certainly marketed as "erotica".
According to the review I read there's hardly any sex at all in the book.
Then what's up with the SNL sketch you yourself posted?
It's only 'funny' because of the widespread perception that this book is "erotica" for women [word used for 'acceptable' porn]. Hence all the scenes of moms 'caught'.
Who buys that for their mom - whether it contains lots of explicit full-on pussy-pounding or not?
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 09:47:44 AM
Quote from: The Larch on May 11, 2012, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 09:34:04 AM
Quote from: The Larch on May 11, 2012, 09:31:57 AM
It's not porn.
I haven't had the pleasure of actually reading it, but it is certainly marketed as "erotica".
According to the review I read there's hardly any sex at all in the book.
Then what's up with the SNL sketch you yourself posted?
It's only 'funny' because of the widespread perception that this book is "erotica" for women [word used for 'acceptable' porn]. Hence all the scenes of moms 'caught'.
Who buys that for their mom - whether it contains lots of explicit full-on pussy-pounding or not?
What I meant is that apparently there's nothing graphic, it's all about the titilatin'.
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 09:30:46 AM
Quote from: Josephus on May 11, 2012, 09:02:58 AM
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 08:59:40 AM
I saw something odd yesterday - at the local chain bookstore a sign "PERFECT FOR MOTHER'S DAY" over ... a big pile of "Fifty Shades of Grey". :hmm:
Not that odd, really. I think women are the target market for that book. You might be thinking your mother, but there's plenty of moms under 50 ;)
Who buys their mom porn, whatever age they are? :huh:
It's not Hustler you know.
That's just it. I'd never have thought that buying "titilating" material about sexual domination, even if "not graphic", would be at all appropriate for one's own mom, particularly for mother's day. But I guess for many it is.
Colour me surprised. :huh:
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 10:06:28 AM
That's just it. I'd never have thought that buying "titilating" material about sexual domination, even if "not graphic", would be at all appropriate for one's own mom, particularly for mother's day. But I guess for many it is.
Colour me surprised. :huh:
Just in case, I don't think it's appropriate either.
Jesus Christ. Live a little.
What women really want is well-presented, properly groomed gentleman. This stuff has great reviews...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B000KKNQBK/ref=cm_cr_pr_top_link_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addFiveStar&tag=vig-21
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 11, 2012, 06:57:52 AM
The top 3 sellers on Amazon.com's book list...and much like voting for Martin O'Malley, nobody's admitting to it. :mad:
Disagree. They're out there. I just met this mid 20s Mormon one. She loves it painful, rough, and the dirtier the better.
Quote from: Gups on May 11, 2012, 10:22:01 AM
What women really want is well-presented, properly groomed gentleman. This stuff has great reviews...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B000KKNQBK/ref=cm_cr_pr_top_link_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addFiveStar&tag=vig-21
:lol:
Quote from: Gups on May 11, 2012, 10:22:01 AM
What women really want is well-presented, properly groomed gentleman. This stuff has great reviews...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B000KKNQBK/ref=cm_cr_pr_top_link_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addFiveStar&tag=vig-21
:lmfao:
Quote from: Malthus on May 11, 2012, 08:59:40 AM
I saw something odd yesterday - at the local chain bookstore a sign "PERFECT FOR MOTHER'S DAY" over ... a big pile of "Fifty Shades of Grey". :hmm:
:P
"What Mom's not getting from Dad!"
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2012, 07:02:44 AM
I will repeat my hypotheses. Women want to be dominated. For all that fancy feminism talk, they want you to choke them during sex.
Actually, most submissives, whether gay or straight, are men.
Quote from: Martinus on May 11, 2012, 12:52:42 PM
Actually, most submissives, whether gay or straight, are men.
How does the gay community address this dom shortage?
Quote from: Valmy on May 11, 2012, 12:58:19 PM
Quote from: Martinus on May 11, 2012, 12:52:42 PM
Actually, most submissives, whether gay or straight, are men.
How does the gay community address this dom shortage?
Poorly. <_<
Quote from: Martinus on May 11, 2012, 01:01:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 11, 2012, 12:58:19 PM
Quote from: Martinus on May 11, 2012, 12:52:42 PM
Actually, most submissives, whether gay or straight, are men.
How does the gay community address this dom shortage?
Poorly. <_<
:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
Quote from: Brazen on May 11, 2012, 07:46:16 AM
Quote from: Viking on May 11, 2012, 07:20:20 AM
Women don't want their equal, they want their superior, just as men don't want their equal they want their inferior. This is seen most obviously in the 2-5 year age gap of men over women in all sexually liberated and gender equal societies.
As it's impossible to find anyone who's superior to moi, I'll settle for young, poor and pretty.
We have so much in common. :P
Jesus H ball-gagged Christ in a rubber corset, this fad is getting fucking annoying.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 16, 2012, 07:55:03 AM
Jesus H ball-gagged Christ in a rubber corset, this fad is getting fucking annoying.
What's change? Is it now soccer mom territory?
Quote from: 11B4V on May 16, 2012, 09:33:19 AM
What's change? Is it now soccer mom territory?
Yup. The Tweener/SoccerMoms have moved on from shiny non-threatening vampires, and have now coopted the BDSM scene.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 16, 2012, 09:37:08 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 16, 2012, 09:33:19 AM
What's change? Is it now soccer mom territory?
Yup. The Tweener/SoccerMoms have moved on from shiny non-threatening vampires, and have now coopted the BDSM scene.
Too bad now it's ruined. Domination comes in many forms; :perv:
http://www.totalprosports.com/2012/02/08/11-hot-female-mma-fighters-not-named-gina-carano/#1
Well, it's hilarious--my friend told me she and all her little cubicle sisters are reading the 50 Shades books, so now she's all curious and shit.
Naturally, I've been sexting the little whore all about how I'd train her. She is: nervously intrigued.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 16, 2012, 09:46:35 AM
She is: nervously intrigued.
I would call that, "Advantage CdM". :lol:
Quote from: 11B4V on May 16, 2012, 09:50:01 AM
I would call that, "Advantage CdM". :lol:
I'm working it, man. I'm totally working this fucking program with the full court press.
Pros: She's already confessed to submissive tendencies, and she likes it rough. Has already pleasured herself at my direction.
Cons: Absolutely no experience. Only ever been with 2 men in her life, one of which is her ex-husband. Just a bit on the chubbo side, but Caliga would approve. And how.
Magic 8 Ball says: Signs Point To Hot Wheels Tracks
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 16, 2012, 09:46:35 AM
Well, it's hilarious--my friend told me she and all her little cubicle sisters are reading the 50 Shades books, so now she's all curious and shit.
Naturally, I've been sexting the little whore all about how I'd train her. She is: nervously intrigued.
:punk:
Now get her to send you pics, and post 'em here for us to make snarky comments about. It's a whole other level of humiliation!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 16, 2012, 10:00:31 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 16, 2012, 09:50:01 AM
I would call that, "Advantage CdM". :lol:
I'm working it, man. I'm totally working this fucking program with the full court press.
Pros: She's already confessed to submissive tendencies, and she likes it rough. Has already pleasured herself at my direction.
Cons: Absolutely no experience. Only ever been with 2 men in her life, one of which is her ex-husband. Just a bit on the chubbo side, but Caliga would approve. And how.
Magic 8 Ball says: Signs Point To Hot Wheels Tracks
Invest in a leg spreader.
:lol:
Which cane do you plan to use?
That's way too long to read right now, but I miss it too. :console:
Hemp holds knots better than nylon.
And metal makes sure they can't run away.
I do not doubt the uses of your favourite implements :bowler:
They go into the sexotorium, they don't come out.
You know, the movies make it look a lot easier trying to convince someone to be Friends With Benefits. :mad: :mad: :mad:
You didn't watch that Natalie Portman or Mila Kunis flick did you?
Stupid Hollywood magic. :mad:
Quote from: Brazen on May 11, 2012, 07:46:16 AM
As it's impossible to find anyone who's superior to moi, I'll settle for young, poor and pretty.
Amen, sister. I'm lucky, though. My young, pretty poor boy is on his way to young, pretty and comfortable. :perv:
Quote from: Martinus on May 11, 2012, 01:01:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 11, 2012, 12:58:19 PM
Quote from: Martinus on May 11, 2012, 12:52:42 PM
Actually, most submissives, whether gay or straight, are men.
How does the gay community address this dom shortage?
Poorly. <_<
I'll beat the shit out of you if you buy me a plane ticket :)
Hell, I'll buy the plane ticket.
:punk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdS6HFQ_LUc
Oh, you mean the song that concedes that Rihanna has no actual BDSM experience except for that one time with Chris Brown?
Quote from: Ideologue on May 19, 2012, 02:13:05 AM
Oh, you mean the song that concedes that Rihanna has no actual BDSM experience except for that one time with Chris Brown?
She's hot, good voice, that's all that matters.
You could not be more wrong.
She's a phony.
OPERATION CHUBBIE SUBBIE IS A GO.
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Get the ICBMs in the bullpen warmed up and ready to fly.
Quote from: The Brain on May 19, 2012, 04:08:09 AM
She's a phony.
Are you suggesting she adopts a pose of being into unconventional forms of sex in order to garner more attention or appear more interesting? :hmm:
Personally, I preferred Christine Aguilera's naughty bondage video, but there wasn't enough of her in it.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 19, 2012, 12:08:07 PM
Quote from: The Brain on May 19, 2012, 04:08:09 AM
She's a phony.
Are you suggesting she adopts a pose of being into unconventional forms of sex in order to garner more attention or appear more interesting? :hmm:
Fuck you.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 19, 2012, 11:41:32 AM
Get the ICBMs in the bullpen warmed up and ready to fly.
We have confirmation of positive weapons detonation. :ph34r:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 20, 2012, 06:21:19 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 19, 2012, 11:41:32 AM
Get the ICBMs in the bullpen warmed up and ready to fly.
We have confirmation of positive weapons detonation. :ph34r:
I guess I won't have to piss on a spark plug now.
Duke Nuke'em reads excerpt from 50 Shades of Grey. "Good Girl. Open your mouth!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5oUa-3W0BFI#!
:lol:
That's fucking fabulous.
My wife picked this book up. The Kindle version, so fifty shades of grey fits in more ways than one. Christ, how can anybody read from such a dull screen.
I BOUGHT YOU AN IPAD BITCH.
My wife picked it up awhile ago. She also gave birth two weeks ago, so any hope of her being "inspired" is pretty much gone... <_<
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2012, 07:02:44 AM
I will repeat my hypotheses. Women want to be dominated. For all that fancy feminism talk, they want you to choke them during sex.
So do men. In each sex and sexuality, submissives dominate (pun intended) over dominants in terms of sheer numbers. I suspect this has something to do with regression.
Quote from: Brazen on May 11, 2012, 07:46:16 AM
Quote from: Viking on May 11, 2012, 07:20:20 AM
Women don't want their equal, they want their superior, just as men don't want their equal they want their inferior. This is seen most obviously in the 2-5 year age gap of men over women in all sexually liberated and gender equal societies.
As it's impossible to find anyone who's superior to moi, I'll settle for young, poor and pretty.
The story of my life. :(
Quote from: Martinus on July 16, 2012, 02:53:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 11, 2012, 07:02:44 AM
I will repeat my hypotheses. Women want to be dominated. For all that fancy feminism talk, they want you to choke them during sex.
So do men. In each sex and sexuality, submissives dominate (pun intended) over dominants in terms of sheer numbers. I suspect this has something to do with regression.
If that's true, I think it most likely it has to do with how they are socialized growing up. I doubt it's accurate though.
I dunno. I can imagine people who always have to be in control in their lives wanting to give up that control on occasion, regardless of gender. This seems a relatively harmless way to do it.
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2012, 03:10:15 PM
I dunno. I can imagine people who always have to be in control in their lives wanting to give up that control on occasion, regardless of gender. This seems a relatively harmless way to do it.
Yeah. Look at Neil: he walks around here all day with his GOD I AM schtick thing, but at home he's crawling on a fours with a horsehair ponytail dildo out of his ass when he logs off.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 16, 2012, 03:12:35 PM
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2012, 03:10:15 PM
I dunno. I can imagine people who always have to be in control in their lives wanting to give up that control on occasion, regardless of gender. This seems a relatively harmless way to do it.
Yeah. Look at Neil: he walks around here all day with his GOD I AM schtick thing, but at home he's crawling on a fours with a horsehair ponytail dildo out of his ass when he logs off.
Also explains why you're so desperate to be a dom, since you have almost no control in your life. :)
:pinch: Cover up dude! Play defense!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 16, 2012, 03:21:12 PM
:pinch: Cover up dude! Play defense!
Wrong move. Counterattack! Nicht Kleckern sondern Klotzen!
BDSM is degrading.
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2012, 03:18:13 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 16, 2012, 03:12:35 PM
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2012, 03:10:15 PM
I dunno. I can imagine people who always have to be in control in their lives wanting to give up that control on occasion, regardless of gender. This seems a relatively harmless way to do it.
Yeah. Look at Neil: he walks around here all day with his GOD I AM schtick thing, but at home he's crawling on a fours with a horsehair ponytail dildo out of his ass when he logs off.
Also explains why you're so desperate to be a dom, since you have almost no control in your life. :)
Epic zing. :D
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2012, 03:18:13 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 16, 2012, 03:12:35 PM
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2012, 03:10:15 PM
I dunno. I can imagine people who always have to be in control in their lives wanting to give up that control on occasion, regardless of gender. This seems a relatively harmless way to do it.
Yeah. Look at Neil: he walks around here all day with his GOD I AM schtick thing, but at home he's crawling on a fours with a horsehair ponytail dildo out of his ass when he logs off.
Also explains why you're so desperate to be a dom, since you have almost no control in your life. :)
I control plenty of stuff. The TV. The TiVO. The cable. The thermostat. :mad:
That's not the reply I expected. You've grown soft :( :P
Quote from: HVC on July 16, 2012, 03:55:08 PM
That's not the reply I expected. You've grown soft :( :P
I was taken aback by the sudden soccermom assault. Not used to that outside the frozen food aisle.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 16, 2012, 03:57:06 PM
Quote from: HVC on July 16, 2012, 03:55:08 PM
That's not the reply I expected. You've grown soft :( :P
I was taken aback by the sudden soccermom assault. Not used to that outside the frozen food aisle.
It did come out of the left field. I didn't think she's got that in her. Respect. :D
Quote from: HVC on July 16, 2012, 03:55:08 PM
That's not the reply I expected. You've grown soft :( :P
Nah - that's why we love Seedy - he's just as likely to go along with a barb as to counter-attack. :hug:
Don't call him babe.
Quote from: Barrister on July 16, 2012, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: HVC on July 16, 2012, 03:55:08 PM
That's not the reply I expected. You've grown soft :( :P
Nah - that's why we love Seedy - he's just as likely to go along with a barb as to counter-attack. :hug:
paradox CdM would be swinging a bag of dead fetuses by now. Though mellow seedy is fun too :D
I recently learned that my 88-year-old grandmother loves this book and currently has 2 "man-friends". :unsure:
I have a friend who works in a old folks home. She says geriatric sex is a big deal now. Especially since kids freak out about mommy nailing old Mr. Johnson down the hall. Viagra has brought us a brave new world. A wrinkly, dry, vomit and nightmare inducing world.
Also, I didnt to mean to imply your granny was being gang banged... Although she probably is.
:P
Quote from: HVC on July 16, 2012, 05:22:31 PM
I have a friend who works in a old folks home. She says geriatric sex is a big deal now. Especially since kids freak out about mommy nailing old Mr. Johnson down the hall. Viagra has brought us a brave new world. A wrinkly, dry, vomit and nightmare inducing world.
Also, I didnt to mean to imply your granny was being gang banged... Although she probably is.
:P
... and you can watch online. That's the brave new world! :P
Having looked into the phenomena bit (i.e. talked to chicks who loved the books and tried to get their panties off) it is a phenomena of the unhappily married/co-habiting woman/girlfriend. The girls and women I know that are happy are not interested and don't get this phenomena.
Quote from: Viking on July 16, 2012, 06:36:28 PM
Having looked into the phenomena bit (i.e. talked to chicks who loved the books and tried to get their panties off) it is a phenomena of the unhappily married/co-habiting woman/girlfriend. The girls and women I know that are happy are not interested and don't get this phenomena.
So you're posit that only women who are unhappy are interested in power-play in their sex lives? If so, I'm not sure I buy it.
I think Vikings point is that only women who are unhappy are looking for an escape into a fantasy world. This shades of grey just happens to be the fad fantasy of the moment.
Don't agree, but it's a more reasonable assertion.
Quote from: Malthus on July 16, 2012, 06:32:42 PM
Quote from: HVC on July 16, 2012, 05:22:31 PM
I have a friend who works in a old folks home. She says geriatric sex is a big deal now. Especially since kids freak out about mommy nailing old Mr. Johnson down the hall. Viagra has brought us a brave new world. A wrinkly, dry, vomit and nightmare inducing world.
Also, I didnt to mean to imply your granny was being gang banged... Although she probably is.
:P
... and you can watch online. That's the brave new world! :P
Case in point: Lemon party. Don't look it up, you don't want to know.
Quote from: HVC on July 16, 2012, 08:38:00 PM
I think Vikings point is that only women who are unhappy are looking for an escape into a fantasy world. This shades of grey just happens to be the fad fantasy of the moment.
Don't agree, but it's a more reasonable assertion.
Still seems a bit much. I don't think you have to be unhappy to indulge in a little fantasy.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 16, 2012, 03:50:52 PM
I control plenty of stuff. The TV. The TiVO. The cable. The thermostat. :mad:
That's so sweet! Your mom, sister, nieces, and cats let you play with the big boy toys! :wub:
Face it. The only thing you control is what you order when you take the women in your life out to eat, and even that could raise an eyebrow or two. You, my friend, are pussy whipped in a big way, and not even getting laid in the bargain. :console:
:unsure: am i missing a back story?
Quote from: HVC on July 16, 2012, 09:32:33 PM
:unsure: am i missing a back story?
Seedy is always talking about his mom, sister and nieces adoringly. Hell, his nieces crook their fingers, and he's dressing in a tutu and doing pirouettes on the kitchen table while singing "I'm a little teapot". He's totally ruled by the only women in his life that matter, so it makes sense that he's going to want to dominate the ones that don't.
God help him when he finds one that does and isn't blood related to him.
Quote from: HVC on July 16, 2012, 09:32:33 PM
:unsure: am i missing a back story?
I'll admit I'm surprised by this continued dressing down.
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2012, 09:41:03 PM
I'll admit I'm surprised by this continued dressing down.
:blink:
It's not a dressing down! Well, it isn't meant to be. :unsure:
I've long thought that this was why Seedy was so into the whole Dom thing. I'm not condemning; merely conjecturing. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. And honestly, Seedy's devotion to the women in his life is one of his most endearing qualities. It's part of the reason he's one of my favorite posters.
Awkward.
Quote from: The Brain on July 16, 2012, 03:46:35 PM
BDSM is degrading.
And unlawful in your jurisdiction. Good thing you're not into it. :)
Viking: you may be right about the faddish losers who are into BDSM now that they read a shitty porno novel (I assume) about it, but I expect there are plenty of people who are into the scene who are not "unhappy" with their lives (or whose attraction to it is not causally related to any unhappiness they harbor). Thing is, they didn't learn about getting slapped around or whatever by some dumb book.
Ed: choking's just fun, no matter how you slice it. I thought everybody liked a little chokin'.
Meri: damn, girl friend.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2012, 12:16:02 AM
Quote from: The Brain on July 16, 2012, 03:46:35 PM
BDSM is degrading.
And unlawful in your jurisdiction. Good thing you're not into it. :)
IT'S NOT UNLAWFUL, IT WAS JUST A BITCH PROSECUTOR WHO THOUGHT IT WAS
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2012, 12:16:02 AM
Meri: damn, girl friend.
I don't get it either, but hey.
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2012, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: HVC on July 16, 2012, 08:38:00 PM
I think Vikings point is that only women who are unhappy are looking for an escape into a fantasy world. This shades of grey just happens to be the fad fantasy of the moment.
Don't agree, but it's a more reasonable assertion.
Still seems a bit much. I don't think you have to be unhappy to indulge in a little fantasy.
Everybody indulges in fantasy.
It's really the fantasy of the man in her life being an alpha male. It's not about the woman being unhappy, it's about the woman being unhappy with her relationship and thinking a more manly man would fix that.
It's the romance novel crowd which has temporarily moved on to BDSM. They read romance novels for the same reason.
As for the violence bit, BDSM is, or at least the BDSM fantasy is, not about violence but rather submission. I am determined not to read these books, I have better things to do with my life than read books of the Boones & Mills & Bondage variety. But I have read reviews. So I won't refer to it. What really baffles me is that nobody has fixed onto the anti-feminist side of this. The woman finds fulfillment not in her own achievement but rather in ritually submitting to what she views as a worthy man.
Quote from: Viking on July 17, 2012, 05:25:23 AM
What really baffles me is that nobody has fixed onto the anti-feminist side of this. The woman finds fulfillment not in her own achievement but rather in ritually submitting to what she views as a worthy man.
There's been loads of feminist comment on exactly that.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2012, 05:13:21 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2012, 12:16:02 AM
Meri: damn, girl friend.
I don't get it either, but hey.
Taking the high ground, :thumbsup:
Remembering this shit when you launch a sneak attack in another thread? Even better.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 17, 2012, 06:32:35 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2012, 05:13:21 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2012, 12:16:02 AM
Meri: damn, girl friend.
I don't get it either, but hey.
Taking the high ground, :thumbsup:
Remembering this shit when you launch a sneak attack in another thread? Even better.
lol, next time Martinus wants to buttfuck her kid, I'll just forget my mod hat.
Quote from: Gups on July 17, 2012, 06:32:11 AM
Quote from: Viking on July 17, 2012, 05:25:23 AM
What really baffles me is that nobody has fixed onto the anti-feminist side of this. The woman finds fulfillment not in her own achievement but rather in ritually submitting to what she views as a worthy man.
There's been loads of feminist comment on exactly that.
hmm.. I'll agree to the supposition that I don't seek out much feminist commentary; or really commentary on 50 shades. I just would have expected to have run into it in reading that I do.
Quote from: Viking on July 17, 2012, 05:25:23 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2012, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: HVC on July 16, 2012, 08:38:00 PM
I think Vikings point is that only women who are unhappy are looking for an escape into a fantasy world. This shades of grey just happens to be the fad fantasy of the moment.
Don't agree, but it's a more reasonable assertion.
Still seems a bit much. I don't think you have to be unhappy to indulge in a little fantasy.
Everybody indulges in fantasy.
It's really the fantasy of the man in her life being an alpha male. It's not about the woman being unhappy, it's about the woman being unhappy with her relationship and thinking a more manly man would fix that.
It's the romance novel crowd which has temporarily moved on to BDSM. They read romance novels for the same reason.
As for the violence bit, BDSM is, or at least the BDSM fantasy is, not about violence but rather submission. I am determined not to read these books, I have better things to do with my life than read books of the Boones & Mills & Bondage variety. But I have read reviews. So I won't refer to it. What really baffles me is that nobody has fixed onto the anti-feminist side of this. The woman finds fulfillment not in her own achievement but rather in ritually submitting to what she views as a worthy man.
I believe the SM part in BDSM is more about violence, whereas the BD is more about submission.
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2012, 09:59:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2012, 09:41:03 PM
I'll admit I'm surprised by this continued dressing down.
:blink:
It's not a dressing down! Well, it isn't meant to be. :unsure:
I've long thought that this was why Seedy was so into the whole Dom thing. I'm not condemning; merely conjecturing. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. And honestly, Seedy's devotion to the women in his life is one of his most endearing qualities. It's part of the reason he's one of my favorite posters.
Sorry but it came across to me as a bit emasculating.
Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2012, 08:21:18 AM
Quote from: merithyn on July 16, 2012, 09:59:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2012, 09:41:03 PM
I'll admit I'm surprised by this continued dressing down.
:blink:
It's not a dressing down! Well, it isn't meant to be. :unsure:
I've long thought that this was why Seedy was so into the whole Dom thing. I'm not condemning; merely conjecturing. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. And honestly, Seedy's devotion to the women in his life is one of his most endearing qualities. It's part of the reason he's one of my favorite posters.
Sorry but it came across to me as a bit emasculating.
Somewhere, as the computer screen flickers in an otherwise dark basement, an Asian waitress is quaking in fear as she tugs futilely against her restraints. She senses that her captor is unhappy with what he's just read, and knows what will follow as a result ...
You dumb fucks never learn. I'm in a 3rd floor condo. I have no basement.
Shit's wearier than wargame cracks.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2012, 08:56:25 AM
You dumb fucks never learn. I'm in a 3rd floor condo. I have no basement.
Shit's wearier than wargame cracks.
meh, you probably have a storage unit.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2012, 08:56:25 AM
You dumb fucks never learn. I'm in a 3rd floor condo. I have no basement.
Shit's wearier than wargame cracks.
The negro crack, on the other hand, is still fresh and sparkly.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2012, 08:56:25 AM
You dumb fucks never learn. I'm in a 3rd floor condo. I have no basement.
Shit's wearier than wargame cracks.
Yeah people, the asian-in-a-basement thing is just a fantasy.
Cats and wargames is the reality. :P
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Quote from: Tonitrus on July 17, 2012, 09:05:36 AM
Cats and wargames is the reality. :P
I figured it out with GangstaKitty a while ago; if I leave some bags on the floor around the table--you know, convenience store/grocery store plastic bags--she'll stay away from the maps. She loves to lay on those fucking bags.
And leaving the game boxes on the floor, of course.
I figured by golden retriever had Nazi sympathies when she chewed up the French counter mix from Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Ultimately only one garrison unit was lost, but the infantry and IC markers were chewed up and they disincentivized players from playing france.
Quote from: Viking on July 17, 2012, 09:37:52 AM
I figured by golden retriever had Nazi sympathies when she chewed up the French counter mix from Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.
Funny, my golden retriever once did the same thing with the Red Banner Northern Fleet in
2nd Fleet once. Golden dummies.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2012, 05:13:21 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2012, 12:16:02 AM
Meri: damn, girl friend.
I don't get it either, but hey.
:(
I really didn't mean any of it as a bad thing. But I'm going to stop while I'm behind. :sleep:
Too late Meri. You already lost your triple bonus points for the ferocious zing. :weep:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2012, 08:56:25 AM
You dumb fucks never learn. I'm in a 3rd floor condo. I have no basement.
Shit's wearier than wargame cracks.
An imprisioned Asian waitress forced to play wargames with CdM's cats - that never gets old. :P
Poor CdM.
Apparently they don't teach that bit about specks in the eyes of others and beams in your own at freaky-deaky Irish Catholic school. Instead, he talks shit about me and Meri served him up. LOLZ to that.
Quote from: Neil on July 18, 2012, 01:10:37 PM
Poor CdM.
Apparently they don't teach that bit about specks in the eyes of others and beams in your own at freaky-deaky Irish Catholic school. Instead, he talks shit about me and Meri served him up. LOLZ to that.
Who knew she was a battlewagon fan, too.
But you deserve your shit, you flanneled fascist.
That's it, I'm going the Naked Came the Stranger way and start writing bad porn-lite Harlequin chick novels. The worse it gets, the more money I'll make. It seems all so easy to make soccer moms will all say "shut up and take my money" nowadays if this shit sells.
I'll need a feminine pseudonym, though, to better sell the crack. I propose Merithyn McHenpecker. :thumbsup:
Drakken just sneaked his submarine SSN Seduction Community in thru the sonar fields and plopped a missile in.
Quote from: Drakken on July 18, 2012, 01:27:18 PM
That's it, I'm going the Naked Came the Stranger way and start writing bad porn-lite Harlequin chick novels. The worse it gets, the more money I'll make. It seems all so easy to make soccer moms will all say "shut up and take my money" nowadays if this shit sells.
I'll need a feminine pseudonym, though, to better sell the crack. I propose Merithyn McHenpecker. :thumbsup:
If the above is any indication of your writing ability, I wouldn't be spending that money yet. Soccer moms tend to prefer English, as a rule.
Now you're just being bitchy. We already have one grabon.
Quote from: merithyn on July 18, 2012, 01:35:25 PM
If the above is any indication of your writing ability, I wouldn't be spending that money yet. Soccer moms tend to prefer English, as a rule.
I don't worry about it. I'll write it in French, then subcontract the translation to a starving translator, ideally one who's majored in Literature.
If there's one thing that this bodice-ripper literary sub-industry has demonstrated, it's that you don't need to write great to sell great. In fact, the journalists who did
Naked Came the Stranger had to rewrite whole chapters because those submitted were originally written too good. Fifty Shades of Grey and Twilight both amply show that, as well.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 18, 2012, 01:38:18 PM
Now you're just being bitchy. We already have one grabon.
Seriously! :angry:
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 18, 2012, 01:33:02 PM
Drakken just sneaked his submarine SSN Seduction Community in thru the sonar fields and plopped a missile in.
At least it brings the discussion back on the original track : bad
chick lit and bored housewives.
Quote from: Drakken on July 18, 2012, 01:41:57 PM
I don't worry about it. I'll write it in French, then subcontract the translation to a starving translator, ideally one who's majored in Literature.
Why not Swedish?
:hmm: