http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/state-department-boosts-passport-fees-sets-cost-citizenship-article-1.1016265
QuoteWASHINGTON — U.S. citizenship is priceless to some, worthless to others. But now the State Department has a dollar figure: U.S. citizenship is worth $450.
At least that's what it will cost you to renounce it.
Under new consular fees published Thursday in the Federal Register, the cost of processing a formal renunciation of U.S. citizenship skyrocketed from $0 to $450. The announcement locks in fee hikes that had been proposed in 2010 and instituted on an interim basis.
The State Department doesn't say how or why it calculated the cost. Citizenship is free for most Americans who are accorded the privilege at birth. The department says only that it "has decided that the renunciant should pay this fee at the visit during which he or she swears the oath of renunciation."
It's also getting more expensive if you want to keep your U.S. citizenship and need a passport to prove it. The application fee for a passport is jumping by 27 percent, from $55 to $70 with a 100 percent increase, from $20 to $40, in the passport security surcharge.
In addition to the increase in the application fee, the department will now charge $82 — up from nothing — to add new pages to a U.S. passport. It says the fee is needed to offset the cost of the pages, the time spent affixing the pages into the passport book, endorsing the passport and performing a quality-control check.
And, registering the overseas birth of an American child is going up as well. It will now cost $100 to apply for a report of a birth abroad, up from $65.
The cost of getting a document notarized at a U.S. embassy abroad is also going up. The new price is $50 for a single page, up from $30, according to the new fee schedule.
Holy Crackers!
don't forget the tax on all your assets when you renounce your citizenship.
QuoteIn addition to the increase in the application fee, the department will now charge $82 — up from nothing — to add new pages to a U.S. passport. It says the fee is needed to offset the cost of the pages, the time spent affixing the pages into the passport book, endorsing the passport and performing a quality-control check.
How ridiculous is this? That is more than a new passport. If it is such a hastle, they should issue passports with more blank pages.
$100 to report a child? So not worth it.
I'd go bankrupt.
Wait are so many people renouncing US citizenship they need to publicly announce the price? Will there be specials during the renouncing off season?
What's wrong with moving abroad, burning your US passport in public whilst shouting "Death to America" ? :unsure:
edit:
Oh I see my mistake, I forgot to take into consideration that the person might want to live into old age. :blush:
Quote from: Valmy on February 03, 2012, 01:13:55 PM
Wait are so many people renouncing US citizenship they need to publicly announce the price? Will there be specials during the renouncing off season?
If obama wins, 20% off GOP'ers renouncing.
Quote from: mongers on February 03, 2012, 01:17:05 PM
What's wrong with moving abroad, burning your US passport in public whilst shouting "Death to America" ? :unsure:
edit:
Oh I see my mistake, I forgot to take into consideration that the person might want to live into old age. :blush:
Heh. I saw some story about this Brit tourist who was turned away at customs and sent back to Blighty because he was tweeting about how he was going to totally fuck the US up or something...referring to the drunken binge he was going to go on. But Homeland Security people have no sense of humor. But I think unless you are stupid enough to post your Death to America thing on Youtube or Twitter the government will not notice.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 03, 2012, 01:17:36 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 03, 2012, 01:13:55 PM
Wait are so many people renouncing US citizenship they need to publicly announce the price? Will there be specials during the renouncing off season?
If obama wins, 20% off GOP'ers renouncing.
Pffft, Alec Baldwin survived 8 years of Bushitler.
Quote from: mongers on February 03, 2012, 01:17:05 PM
What's wrong with moving abroad, burning your US passport in public whilst shouting "Death to America" ? :unsure:
You are missing in a very big way the motivations that likely drive 99% of these renunciations.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 03, 2012, 01:25:50 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 03, 2012, 01:17:05 PM
What's wrong with moving abroad, burning your US passport in public whilst shouting "Death to America" ? :unsure:
You are missing in a very big way the motivations that likely drive 99% of these renunciations.
For which a $450 fine isn't going to mean much.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 03, 2012, 01:25:50 PM
You are missing in a very big way the motivations that likely drive 99% of these renunciations.
Taxes? I know the Feds get pretty stupid about taxing money made abroad.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 03, 2012, 01:25:50 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 03, 2012, 01:17:05 PM
What's wrong with moving abroad, burning your US passport in public whilst shouting "Death to America" ? :unsure:
You are missing in a very big way the motivations that likely drive 99% of these renunciations.
people who want to evade their taxes can hate America too, ya know :P
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 03, 2012, 01:25:50 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 03, 2012, 01:17:05 PM
What's wrong with moving abroad, burning your US passport in public whilst shouting "Death to America" ? :unsure:
You are missing in a very big way the motivations that likely drive 99% of these renunciations.
They lack a sense of humour ? :unsure:
:P
Quote from: alfred russel on February 03, 2012, 01:06:27 PM
How ridiculous is this? That is more than a new passport. If it is such a hastle, they should issue passports with more blank pages.
And raise the price of the basic passport? No thanks.
What kind of scum would want to renounce to his american citizenship?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 03, 2012, 01:36:19 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 03, 2012, 01:06:27 PM
How ridiculous is this? That is more than a new passport. If it is such a hastle, they should issue passports with more blank pages.
And raise the price of the basic passport? No thanks.
I don't remember how many pages a passport comes with, but I think it is around 25-30. 10 more pages would be a big difference, and cost pennies.
Quote from: Siege on February 03, 2012, 01:42:28 PM
What kind of scum would want to renounce to his american citizenship?
Probably a bunch of Jews who do Aliyah. :angry:
Quote from: alfred russel on February 03, 2012, 01:43:59 PM
I don't remember how many pages a passport comes with, but I think it is around 25-30. 10 more pages would be a big difference, and cost pennies.
And presumably we'd have the same situation when people filled up their 40 page passports.
Quote from: Valmy on February 03, 2012, 01:13:55 PM
Wait are so many people renouncing US citizenship they need to publicly announce the price? Will there be specials during the renouncing off season?
It's an issue up here, with the US attempting to go after the assets of Canadians who are unfortunate to have some kind of a tie with the US.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 03, 2012, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 03, 2012, 01:43:59 PM
I don't remember how many pages a passport comes with, but I think it is around 25-30. 10 more pages would be a big difference, and cost pennies.
And presumably we'd have the same situation when people filled up their 40 page passports.
I think that would significantly reduce the demand. It can be a big problem to get more pages, since the US won't give you more until you are almost out, and if you are traveling that may mean you have to hunt down an embassy.
Other countries offer passport options to get massive numbers of pages, we should too.
PDH once had a great idea as to how to deal with tax dodgers renouncing their US citizenship: the US should tax foreigners living abroad.
Quote from: Martinus on February 03, 2012, 02:21:27 PM
PDH once had a great idea as to how to deal with tax dodgers renouncing their US citizenship: the US should tax foreigners living abroad.
I always thought every nation that has a US base should pay us for the privilege (granted some actually do). I figured if we are going to be an evil empire we might as well be funded like one. Tribute of 10 attractive youths from each gender would be acceptable as well.
Not into half animals myself.
Quote from: Valmy on February 03, 2012, 02:24:15 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 03, 2012, 02:21:27 PM
PDH once had a great idea as to how to deal with tax dodgers renouncing their US citizenship: the US should tax foreigners living abroad.
I always thought every nation that has a US base should pay us for the privilege (granted some actually do). I figured if we are going to be an evil empire we might as well be funded like one. Tribute of 10 attractive youths from each gender would be acceptable as well.
And instead of a minotaur, you will give them to GOP candidates? :hmm:
Put in a labyrinth with a slavering Newt on their heels.
Quote from: Siege on February 03, 2012, 01:42:28 PM
What kind of scum would want to renounce to his american citizenship?
Tell us when you get one.
I dunno, $450 to become a Canadian sounds like a sweet deal to me.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2012, 09:54:26 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 03, 2012, 01:42:28 PM
What kind of scum would want to renounce to his american citizenship?
Tell us when you get one.
I dunno, $450 to become a Canadian sounds like a sweet deal to me.
Perhaps.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2012, 09:54:26 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 03, 2012, 01:42:28 PM
What kind of scum would want to renounce to his american citizenship?
Tell us when you get one.
I dunno, $450 to become a Canadian sounds like a sweet deal to me.
Fuck that. Presently, I'm planning Operation Red Dog II. Do you know how to drive a boat?
Hee, when I picked up my Beretta I had to pass a NCIC background check. On the form they give you in order to submit it, one of the questions was:
Have you ever renounced your United States citizenship?
Among the others were:
Are you currently a fugitive from justice?
Are you currently in the United States illegally?
Are you currently behind on any child support payments?
The first question made me go :huh:, the second and third :lol:, and the fourth :rolleyes: .
I keep ticking the "did you work for Nazi Germany 1933-45" box when I fly to the US. Some OCD shit I guess.
If you're a fugitive from justice, do they distinguish between real criminals and guys like the Renegade or A-Team?
There were in fact no questions about the A-Team. Would have been cool, though.
In 1972, were you part of a crack commando unit that was sent to prison by a military court for a crime you didn't commit?
If you answered Yes to the previous question: Did you promptly escape from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground?
If you answered Yes to the previous question: Today, are you still wanted by the government?
If you answered Yes to the previous question: Do you survive as a soldier of fortune?
If you answered Yes to the previous question: If someone has a problem, if no one else but you can help, and if you can be found, can you be hired?
If someone ticks yes to all of the above, then the form could make machine gun sounds and queue up the A-Team song.
Once I become Emperor of the World I pledge to institute such a form. :cool:
This is actually pretty shitty. A lot of countries don't allow dual citizenship so if an American wants to settle in one of these....lame.
Japan for instance I think requires you to renounce your old citizenship before you can get a Japanese one.
Quote from: Tyr on February 04, 2012, 05:44:23 AM
This is actually pretty shitty. A lot of countries don't allow dual citizenship so if an American wants to settle in one of these....lame.
Japan for instance I think requires you to renounce your old citizenship before you can get a Japanese one.
Yes $450 dollars to abandon one's country is insane!
Quote from: garbon on February 04, 2012, 12:15:14 PM
Quote from: Tyr on February 04, 2012, 05:44:23 AM
This is actually pretty shitty. A lot of countries don't allow dual citizenship so if an American wants to settle in one of these....lame.
Japan for instance I think requires you to renounce your old citizenship before you can get a Japanese one.
Yes $450 dollars to abandon one's country is insane!
Well, it should be more like zero, given that one by definition no longer recognizes the United States as their sovereign.
That said, I'd be willing to pay $450 for contingent renunciations, i.e. a situation where you desire citizenship in some other country that won't permit you to hold both, so you renounce but in the event you wish to come back to America you just ask the embassy, they give you your citizenship back, and you get on a plane for Honolulu.
Quote from: Ideologue on February 04, 2012, 01:15:25 PM
Well, it should be more like zero, given that one by definition no longer recognizes the United States as their sovereign.
Yeah but the state has to recognize that they are not you sovereign as well. After all, no one would care too much if I went around proclaiming that I wasn't an American citizen.
Quote from: Ideologue on February 04, 2012, 01:15:25 PM
That said, I'd be willing to pay $450 for contingent renunciations, i.e. a situation where you desire citizenship in some other country that won't permit you to hold both, so you renounce but in the event you wish to come back to America you just ask the embassy, they give you your citizenship back, and you get on a plane for Honolulu.
Nah, if you decide to leave the nest - you're out sucker.
The Nazi's had it right. Take 90% of their stuff to leave.
Quote from: Caliga on February 04, 2012, 05:41:52 AM
There were in fact no questions about the A-Team. Would have been cool, though.
In 1972, were you part of a crack commando unit that was sent to prison by a military court for a crime you didn't commit?
If you answered Yes to the previous question: Did you promptly escape from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground?
If you answered Yes to the previous question: Today, are you still wanted by the government?
If you answered Yes to the previous question: Do you survive as a soldier of fortune?
If you answered Yes to the previous question: If someone has a problem, if no one else but you can help, and if you can be found, can you be hired?
If someone ticks yes to all of the above, then the form could make machine gun sounds and queue up the A-Team song.
Once I become Emperor of the World I pledge to institute such a form. :cool:
I laughed out loud, and then my wife read it, and she laughed out loud.
Quote from: Neil on February 04, 2012, 08:47:27 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 04, 2012, 05:41:52 AM
There were in fact no questions about the A-Team. Would have been cool, though.
In 1972, were you part of a crack commando unit that was sent to prison by a military court for a crime you didn't commit?
If you answered Yes to the previous question: Did you promptly escape from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground?
If you answered Yes to the previous question: Today, are you still wanted by the government?
If you answered Yes to the previous question: Do you survive as a soldier of fortune?
If you answered Yes to the previous question: If someone has a problem, if no one else but you can help, and if you can be found, can you be hired?
If someone ticks yes to all of the above, then the form could make machine gun sounds and queue up the A-Team song.
Once I become Emperor of the World I pledge to institute such a form. :cool:
I laughed out loud, and then my wife read it, and she laughed out loud.
I'm surprised an asshole like you have a wife.
Do you tie her down in your basement, ala CdM?
Neil is a man of culture, intellect, and unvarnished masculinity. It isn't strange to me that he'd have a wife. :)
Quote from: Lettow77 on February 04, 2012, 09:51:21 PM
Neil is a man of culture, intellect, and unvarnished masculinity. It isn't strange to me that he'd have a wife. :)
And she is hairy and eats raw meat.
Come on, Neil is nothing else but a troll.
Quote from: Siege on February 04, 2012, 09:43:15 PM
I'm surprised an asshole like you have a wife.
Do you tie her down in your basement, ala CdM?
I've always been popular with women.
Quote from: Neil on February 04, 2012, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 04, 2012, 09:43:15 PM
I'm surprised an asshole like you have a wife.
Do you tie her down in your basement, ala CdM?
I've always been popular with women.
Back in the 19th century?
Quote from: Siege on February 04, 2012, 10:55:37 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 04, 2012, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 04, 2012, 09:43:15 PM
I'm surprised an asshole like you have a wife.
Do you tie her down in your basement, ala CdM?
I've always been popular with women.
Back in the 19th century?
Always.
I'm very charming and interesting. I also am good looking and can be a snappy dresser. Not meterosexual trend-follower like CdM, and certainly not a fruity choker-wearer like Martinus, but the classic styles that never get old.
You see Lettow?
Neil ain't nothing but a troll.
I bet he didn't even take his wife out to dinner tonight.
I always take my wife out for dinner on Saturday night so she doesn't have tp cook after the Shabbat.
At least untill the baby is born. After that I don't think we gonna be able to go out that frequently.
We don't go to clubs anymore with my friends because she doesn't want to smell second hand smoke, plus she can't drink no more.
I took my wife out for dinner last night. Tonight, she made me an excellent meal, because only hicks keep the Shabbat.
That is indeed considerate of you, siege. The idyllic family life is lovely- everyone seems to be having children lately on languish, don't they?
I regret that it is beyond the scope of what I will achieve in my life. I had a missus once, though, and she was quite lovely. :)
I don't think I will. My wife an I enjoy our lifestyle too much.
Quote from: Neil on February 04, 2012, 11:06:59 PMI'm very charming and interesting. I also am good looking and can be a snappy dresser. Not meterosexual trend-follower like CdM, and certainly not a fruity choker-wearer like Martinus, but the classic styles that never get old.
Yes, flannel is timeless.
Flannel? I can't imagine Neil dancing disco.
Quote from: Neil on February 04, 2012, 11:18:38 PM
I took my wife out for dinner last night. Tonight, she made me an excellent meal, because only hicks keep the Shabbat.
This hick can deliver the President's Last Argument 1600 meters away with the new XM 2010, at 191 grains, accurately, with zero collateral damage.
Baby, I am at the top of my game, the Lion in Summer.
Quote from: Siege on February 05, 2012, 12:48:51 AM
Flannel? I can't imagine Neil dancing disco.
Flannel? Disco? Time to put down the beer, Siege old boy.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 05, 2012, 12:18:01 AM
Yes, flannel is timeless.
It really is.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-slCZ62XtKNg%2FTsfox1_wB4I%2FAAAAAAAACsc%2Fea6afzDe9sQ%2Fs400%2Fceltwarrior.gif&hash=7719e2fb47b71696b5fef8d0ab4259fe41319549)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 05, 2012, 12:18:01 AM
Quote from: Neil on February 04, 2012, 11:06:59 PMI'm very charming and interesting. I also am good looking and can be a snappy dresser. Not meterosexual trend-follower like CdM, and certainly not a fruity choker-wearer like Martinus, but the classic styles that never get old.
Yes, flannel is timeless.
Well it's very timely with the urban hipster and (with some overlap) the bearded gay.
Quote from: Siege on February 05, 2012, 12:54:03 AM
Quote from: Neil on February 04, 2012, 11:18:38 PM
I took my wife out for dinner last night. Tonight, she made me an excellent meal, because only hicks keep the Shabbat.
This hick can deliver the President's Last Argument 1600 meters away with the new XM 2010, at 191 grains, accurately, with zero collateral damage.
Baby, I am at the top of my game, the Lion in Summer.
Rifles? Those are the weapons of the weak.
Quote from: Neil on February 05, 2012, 01:27:50 AM
Quote from: Siege on February 05, 2012, 12:54:03 AM
Quote from: Neil on February 04, 2012, 11:18:38 PM
I took my wife out for dinner last night. Tonight, she made me an excellent meal, because only hicks keep the Shabbat.
This hick can deliver the President's Last Argument 1600 meters away with the new XM 2010, at 191 grains, accurately, with zero collateral damage.
Baby, I am at the top of my game, the Lion in Summer.
Rifles? Those are the weapons of the weak.
The weak is the guy with no weapons, and no say in how his world should work.
You realize, of course, that we don't really need infantry. Our deployment of such is just the handicap we give Third World countries when we invade them. You're basically the equivalent of a house rule that keeps it from being too one-sided.
Quote from: Ideologue on February 05, 2012, 02:59:03 AM
You realize, of course, that we don't really need infantry. Our deployment of such is just the handicap we give Third World countries when we invade them. You're basically the equivalent of a house rule that keeps it from being too one-sided.
You are mistaken.
No matter what you do, you need to take, control, and hold the ground.
Guess who you need for this?
Quote from: Siege on February 05, 2012, 03:07:27 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on February 05, 2012, 02:59:03 AM
You realize, of course, that we don't really need infantry. Our deployment of such is just the handicap we give Third World countries when we invade them. You're basically the equivalent of a house rule that keeps it from being too one-sided.
You are mistaken.
No matter what you do, you need to take, control, and hold the ground.
Guess who you need for this?
Housekeeping.
blah blah. I still ain't talking to you.
I ain't talking to you, either.
Quote from: Siege on February 05, 2012, 03:07:27 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on February 05, 2012, 02:59:03 AM
You realize, of course, that we don't really need infantry. Our deployment of such is just the handicap we give Third World countries when we invade them. You're basically the equivalent of a house rule that keeps it from being too one-sided.
You are mistaken.
No matter what you do, you need to take, control, and hold the ground.
Guess who you need for this?
No you don't. All that nonsense can be cleared up by proper technology and atomics.
Quote from: Siege on February 05, 2012, 03:07:27 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on February 05, 2012, 02:59:03 AM
You realize, of course, that we don't really need infantry. Our deployment of such is just the handicap we give Third World countries when we invade them. You're basically the equivalent of a house rule that keeps it from being too one-sided.
You are mistaken.
No matter what you do, you need to take, control, and hold the ground.
Guess who you need for this?
Police; bioweapons scientists; neutron bomb engineers; drones.
Quote from: Ideologue on February 05, 2012, 03:05:44 PM
Police; bioweapons scientists; neutron bomb engineers; drones.
Eizengruppen.
Quote from: Ideologue on February 05, 2012, 03:05:44 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 05, 2012, 03:07:27 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on February 05, 2012, 02:59:03 AM
You realize, of course, that we don't really need infantry. Our deployment of such is just the handicap we give Third World countries when we invade them. You're basically the equivalent of a house rule that keeps it from being too one-sided.
You are mistaken.
No matter what you do, you need to take, control, and hold the ground.
Guess who you need for this?
Police; bioweapons scientists; neutron bomb engineers; drones.
You have drones twice.
^_^
My uncle (now long gone) was born in Boston, as was my mother. For some reason he had dual citizenship (while she hasn't, but I guess she could if she would) and after a few years of doing business in the US he hit some sort of roof that would make him elligble for double taxation.
So, to avoid the hassle he asked the embassy if he could renounce his US citizenship and thus be a forreigner working in the US whenever needed. Sure, no problem, was the reply. Are you sure? Yes, yes indeed, as long as you apply for the right visa next time you come working, then no problem. So he renounced his citizenship.
What happened? First time he stepped into JFK it pooped up on their screen he had renounced and he was instantly detained for 2 hours having to explain why he had denounced. Certainly everyone in the whole wide world was craving, needing, dying to get, a citizenship, so he MUST have a ulterior, and sinister, motive for renouncing, ultimately something to do with not being elligble to be persecuted or something.
My uncle, being a rather good, and high powered, lawyer made immigration see the error of their weays and nothing more came of it, but the sheer incredulity of the imigration that anyone would voluntarily give up US rights was beyond them :D
V
I think I'd be shocked to if someone chose citizenship from a do-nothing country over that of the US.
Quote from: Siege on February 05, 2012, 03:07:27 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on February 05, 2012, 02:59:03 AM
You realize, of course, that we don't really need infantry. Our deployment of such is just the handicap we give Third World countries when we invade them. You're basically the equivalent of a house rule that keeps it from being too one-sided.
You are mistaken.
No matter what you do, you need to take, control, and hold the ground.
Guess who you need for this?
Marines?
Quote from: garbon on February 06, 2012, 10:21:09 AM
I think I'd be shocked to if someone chose citizenship from a do-nothing country over that of the US.
That's because you're stupid. What good does the status of the US as a superpower do for the average citizen, especially a dual citizen living abroad?
Quote from: Neil on February 06, 2012, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 06, 2012, 10:21:09 AM
I think I'd be shocked to if someone chose citizenship from a do-nothing country over that of the US.
That's because you're stupid. What good does the status of the US as a superpower do for the average citizen, especially a dual citizen living abroad?
We're a bit better at protecting our citizens who weren't caught in the commission of a crime. More muscle and what not. And then of course, there is the free access to the country.
Grabon, your schtick about San Francisco/NY/US is great and everybody else sucks is getting pretty tired.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 06, 2012, 11:30:07 AM
Grabon, your schtick about San Francisco/NY/US is great and everybody else sucks is getting pretty tired.
Clearly I'm not the only one who would find it odd to give up American citizenship. That was at the heart of V's story that all the immigration agents found it odd.
That said, I find the inclusion of the US funny considering that all my early years here I disliked the whole of America. :D
Quote from: garbon on February 06, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 06, 2012, 11:30:07 AM
Grabon, your schtick about San Francisco/NY/US is great and everybody else sucks is getting pretty tired.
Clearly I'm not the only one who would find it odd to give up American citizenship. That was at the heart of V's story that all the immigration agents found it odd.
That said, I find the inclusion of the US funny considering that all my early years here I disliked the whole of America. :D
Yeah, but immigration agents are retarded. Your not supposed to be, unless your Martinusism is finally starting to express itself.
Quote from: garbon on February 06, 2012, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: Neil on February 06, 2012, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 06, 2012, 10:21:09 AM
I think I'd be shocked to if someone chose citizenship from a do-nothing country over that of the US.
That's because you're stupid. What good does the status of the US as a superpower do for the average citizen, especially a dual citizen living abroad?
We're a bit better at protecting our citizens who weren't caught in the commission of a crime. More muscle and what not. And then of course, there is the free access to the country.
You guys really aren't that good at it though. Look at all those truck drivers who got their heads sawed off in Iraq.
Free access to the country doesn't really do your average dual citizen much good, especially when it comes with your punishing taxation regime. Especially for someone with EU-area citizenship, the US doesn't really have much to offer.
Quote from: Neil on February 06, 2012, 01:04:24 PM
You guys really aren't that good at it though. Look at all those truck drivers who got their heads sawed off in Iraq.
I'm not really sure a warzone is a great example. No citizenship would help you there.
Quote from: Siege on February 05, 2012, 03:50:26 AM
blah blah. I still ain't talking to you.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 05, 2012, 09:33:17 AM
I ain't talking to you, either.
And yet here the posts are....
regarding the thread topic.. I'm pretty sure that the cost is much reduced from the figure as of 1863 for renouncing ones citizenship.
Did we plunge Singapore into a blackout in its deadly 50 degree winters when they caned that guy for spitting on a sidewalk or something? No.
We should bring extraterritoriality back.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 06, 2012, 11:30:07 AM
Grabon, your schtick about San Francisco/NY/US is great and everybody else sucks is getting pretty tired.
QFT.
Ain't no fucking schticks getting tired. I won't have it.
I still enjoy Garbon's schtick. I can play off his East Coast elitism.
Quote from: Ideologue on February 06, 2012, 03:37:40 PM
I still enjoy Garbon's schtick. I can play off his East Coast elitism.
It is dreadful to think of myself as someone from/living on the East Coast. :weep:
See? It's not tired. :D
Quote from: garbon on February 06, 2012, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on February 06, 2012, 03:37:40 PM
I still enjoy Garbon's schtick. I can play off his East Coast elitism.
It is dreadful to think of myself as someone from/living on the East Coast. :weep:
I know - I hate to think of myself as living south of 60. :weep:
Quote from: Barrister on February 06, 2012, 04:21:58 PM
I know - I hate to think of myself as living south of 60. :weep:
Shouldn't that tear freeze solid on the way down?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 06, 2012, 11:30:07 AM
Grabon, your schtick about San Francisco/NY/US is great and everybody else sucks is getting pretty tired.
Should he at some point achieve a wider experience of the world you can rest assured that whatever that is will be elevated to exalted status as well. The thing is, the lad has only done so much that could be pegged as mildly interesting in his life - lived in a couple of cool big cities and gone to a prestigious school. Clearly he has a need to be smugly superior (and I'm pretty good at identifying that sort of thing) and that's all he has to hang it on.
Give it time and there'll be more added to the schtick.
Quote from: garbon on February 06, 2012, 01:23:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 06, 2012, 01:04:24 PM
You guys really aren't that good at it though. Look at all those truck drivers who got their heads sawed off in Iraq.
I'm not really sure a warzone is a great example. No citizenship would help you there.
Outside of raging warzones, I don't think the US has a particular edge at protecting its citizens abroad compared to most other Western countries.
Quote from: Jacob on February 07, 2012, 12:45:20 AM
Outside of raging warzones, I don't think the US has a particular edge at protecting its citizens abroad compared to most other Western countries.
Plenty of missionaries would agree with you if they weren't already dead.
Quote from: Jacob on February 07, 2012, 12:43:39 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 06, 2012, 11:30:07 AM
Grabon, your schtick about San Francisco/NY/US is great and everybody else sucks is getting pretty tired.
Should he at some point achieve a wider experience of the world you can rest assured that whatever that is will be elevated to exalted status as well. The thing is, the lad has only done so much that could be pegged as mildly interesting in his life - lived in a couple of cool big cities and gone to a prestigious school. Clearly he has a need to be smugly superior (and I'm pretty good at identifying that sort of thing) and that's all he has to hang it on.
Give it time and there'll be more added to the schtick.
I thought he did a spell in London.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 07, 2012, 07:46:32 AM
I thought he did a spell in London.
Impossible. An American Patriot would never step foot in the UK!
I'm the guy who hates the brits. ick. A grubby little people.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 06, 2012, 05:35:21 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 06, 2012, 04:21:58 PM
I know - I hate to think of myself as living south of 60. :weep:
Shouldn't that tear freeze solid on the way down?
That's the problem. It was above freezing this last weekend. :weep:
Quote from: garbon on February 06, 2012, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: Neil on February 06, 2012, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 06, 2012, 10:21:09 AM
I think I'd be shocked to if someone chose citizenship from a do-nothing country over that of the US.
That's because you're stupid. What good does the status of the US as a superpower do for the average citizen, especially a dual citizen living abroad?
We're a bit better at protecting our citizens who weren't caught in the commission of a crime. More muscle and what not. And then of course, there is the free access to the country.
Ah, but as a general rule Danes get that as well ;), no restrictions on access, especially not back then (this was the 80s)
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You (Americans) still have it better than us (CAnadians). We have to renew our passports every five years (I think it's 10 for you), and each time it's close to $100.
Quote from: Josephus on February 07, 2012, 10:03:48 AM
You (Americans) still have it better than us (CAnadians). We have to renew our passports every five years (I think it's 10 for you), and each time it's close to $100.
Yeah but you get to go to Cuba.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 07, 2012, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: Josephus on February 07, 2012, 10:03:48 AM
You (Americans) still have it better than us (CAnadians). We have to renew our passports every five years (I think it's 10 for you), and each time it's close to $100.
Yeah but you get to go to Cuba.
3 more weeks. :-)
PS...You can still get to Cuba. I've met Americans there. You just have to fly from Canada or Mexico. The Cubans won't stamp your passport if you ask them not to.
Quote from: Valdemar on February 07, 2012, 09:52:10 AM
Ah, but as a general rule Danes get that as well ;), no restrictions on access
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I doubt that. Non-citizens can't just remain in most any country without applying for permanent residence or some such. Or unless you're low enough on the radar to remain illegally. -_-
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2012, 10:59:50 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on February 07, 2012, 09:52:10 AM
Ah, but as a general rule Danes get that as well ;), no restrictions on access
V
I doubt that. Non-citizens can't just remain in most any country without applying for permanent residence or some such. Or unless you're low enough on the radar to remain illegally. -_-
Ah, but that wasn't what you said :) you used entry as example, not residence, almost no limitations on entry, and visa for such freedom loving folks as us has never been tha hard, not even long term ones :)
Quote from: Valdemar on February 07, 2012, 12:05:50 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2012, 10:59:50 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on February 07, 2012, 09:52:10 AM
Ah, but as a general rule Danes get that as well ;), no restrictions on access
V
I doubt that. Non-citizens can't just remain in most any country without applying for permanent residence or some such. Or unless you're low enough on the radar to remain illegally. -_-
Ah, but that wasn't what you said :) you used entry as example, not residence, almost no limitations on entry, and visa for such freedom loving folks as us has never been tha hard, not even long term ones :)
It is what I meant though. Unencumbered entry doesn't mean much if you still have to get your ass out within a certain period of time.
I suppose that could be disadvantageous if you wanted to stay in the US. But First World people generally find that the US is a nice place to visit, but that they wouldn't want to live there.
Quote from: Valdemar on February 07, 2012, 12:05:50 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2012, 10:59:50 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on February 07, 2012, 09:52:10 AM
Ah, but as a general rule Danes get that as well ;), no restrictions on access
V
I doubt that. Non-citizens can't just remain in most any country without applying for permanent residence or some such. Or unless you're low enough on the radar to remain illegally. -_-
Ah, but that wasn't what you said :) you used entry as example, not residence, almost no limitations on entry, and visa for such freedom loving folks as us has never been tha hard, not even long term ones :)
Whatever happened to publicly subsidized prostitute services? That was pretty much the greatest, kindest act of any government ever.