If Kerrey runs the Dems have chance, if not it'll go GOP no matter who they nominate.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/27/9744407-ben-nelson-wont-seek-re-election-in-12
QuoteBen Nelson won't seek re-election in '12
By NBC's Mark Murray
First Read has confirmed, per a high-ranking Democratic source, that Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson (D) will NOT seek re-election in 2012.
Due to some tough polling numbers for Nelson, Democrats already had a pretty good chance of losing this seat next year. But Nelson's decision not to seek re-election makes it harder to keep the seat in the red state of Nebraska.
*** UPDATE *** That is, if the Democrats can't find a top-notch recruit. The same high-ranking Democratic source tells NBC News that former Nebraska Sen. Bob Kerrey (D) is considering a run with Nelson's seat open.
And the source sends this shot at the conservative Nelson, who often voted with Republicans: "He will be the least missed member of the Democratic caucus next year."
Did you lose track of the other half dozen threads you've started about the impending GOP landslide?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 27, 2011, 06:25:46 PM
Did you lose track of the other half dozen threads you've started about the impending GOP landslide?
This is specific news that is new, it deserves its own thread.
As for a GOP landslide, that's assured in the Senate due to geography, but the House and the Presidency are up in the air.
The Presidency is not really up in the air.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 27, 2011, 06:29:58 PM
This is specific news that is new, it deserves its own thread.
What is there to be said about Nelson's retirement specifically? The primary newsworthiness of this article, as even your comment states, is as a bullet point on the subject of how the Dems are going to have trouble keeping the Senate.
Not in the slightest. Nor is Congress. The GOP is finished.
Nelson may be gone, but this is your Trafalgar, bitches.
Quote from: Zoupa on December 27, 2011, 06:32:51 PM
The Presidency is not really up in the air.
Depending on how the economy goes in 2012, it's definitely up in the air.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 27, 2011, 07:33:50 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on December 27, 2011, 06:32:51 PM
The Presidency is not really up in the air.
Depending on how the economy goes in 2012, it's definitely up in the air.
The economy will continue to collapse but everyone knows whose fault it is.
Quote from: Ideologue on December 27, 2011, 06:40:13 PM
Nelson may be gone, but this is your Trafalgar, bitches.
:lol:
Quote from: Ideologue on December 27, 2011, 07:48:11 PM
The economy will continue to collapse but everyone knows whose fault it is.
Bush's? :hmm:
Actually, I don't blame any party for the recession itself. I blame the GOP for the wholly inadequate measures used to combat it. I blame Obama for not shifting leftward and leading instead of misevaluating his opponents utterly, but what are you gonna do?
Now I do blame Bush for making our obscenely low tax burden the new normal and then prosecuting two underfunded wars, leading to the huge debt that the GOPpies are now using as a political bludgeon for stupid people who think that government debt is in any wise the same as household debt.
If Democrats had to lose someone in the Senate, I'm sure Bill Nelson would be at the top of their wish list. Wasn't he the main "Blue Dog" who held out for a bribe when Democrats actually had the 60 votes to pass healthcare law? Of course they still only had 4 votes in the chamber that matters, but that would come later.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 27, 2011, 06:25:46 PM
Did you lose track of the other half dozen threads you've started about the impending GOP landslide?
Furthermore who the fuck cares if the GOP wins a landslide? They had control in from 2000 to 2006 and what did they do? Disastrous bullshit mostly and they hardly look more competent now.
So why should I give a crap Tim?
A GOP House/Senate with Mubarak Obama would be pretty interesting to watch. :hmm:
Quote from: Habbaku on December 27, 2011, 11:52:47 PM
A GOP House/Senate with Mubarak Obama would be pretty interesting to watch. :hmm:
How so? Maybe if Republicans were interested in cutting deals rather than doing their best to sabotage a Democrat's presidency, then something good could be ironed out in a compromise. But we know this isn't really the situation right now, and won't be in the near future.
Quote from: Habbaku on December 27, 2011, 11:52:47 PM
A GOP House/Senate with Mubarak Obama would be pretty interesting to watch. :hmm:
I think a Dem House/GOP Senate could get stuff done whether Obama or Romney was President.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 28, 2011, 12:31:56 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on December 27, 2011, 11:52:47 PM
A GOP House/Senate with Mubarak Obama would be pretty interesting to watch. :hmm:
a Dem House/GOP Senate could fail to get stuff done whether Obama or Romney was President.
Fixed
I'll side with Timmy on this one. The same quality that makes Democrats terrible knife fighters in the electoral game also makes them fairly good legislators. They're perfectly fine with compromises rather than instilling Prussian military discipline within their ranks.
Of course, as sympathetic as I generally am to Democrats, I also realize that Democrats hold a fair number of terrible ideas as well that are best left unimplemented, so they do need a check on their power. It's a tragedy of today's politics that the only other party we have acts as a political terrorist rather than as a counterbalance.
Quote from: Habbaku on December 27, 2011, 11:52:47 PM
A GOP House/Senate with Mubarak Obama would be pretty interesting to watch. :hmm:
Yeah, I saw that movie. We had that back in the 1990's. GOP House/Senate impeached the President. It was asinine.
Quote from: Habbaku on December 27, 2011, 11:52:47 PM
A GOP House/Senate with Mubarak Obama would be pretty interesting to watch. :hmm:
How so? Would they be better at undercutting him than the Dem congress?
Quote from: Ideologue on December 27, 2011, 09:53:09 PM
Now I do blame Bush for making our obscenely low tax burden the new normal and then prosecuting two underfunded wars, leading to the huge debt that the GOPpies are now using as a political bludgeon for stupid people who think that government debt is in any wise the same as household debt.
Still haven't come completely to terms with the fact that it was the Democrats who extended the Bush tax cuts for two years, have you?
Quote from: garbon on December 28, 2011, 02:26:41 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on December 27, 2011, 11:52:47 PM
A GOP House/Senate with Mubarak Obama would be pretty interesting to watch. :hmm:
How so? Would they be better at undercutting him than the Dem congress?
Touche!
But the Republican undercutting could be more amusing. What's the record for the most impeachment proceedings against a president in a single term? That one could go bye-bye, even if the record is three or even four.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 28, 2011, 12:03:08 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 27, 2011, 09:53:09 PM
Now I do blame Bush for making our obscenely low tax burden the new normal and then prosecuting two underfunded wars, leading to the huge debt that the GOPpies are now using as a political bludgeon for stupid people who think that government debt is in any wise the same as household debt.
Still haven't come completely to terms with the fact that it was the Democrats who extended the Bush tax cuts for two years, have you?
Because they'd have been crucified for raisin' taxes. That's what I meant by "new normal." Bush and the GOPgress left a time bomb that would explode in the Dems' face. Clever plan. Monstrous, but very clever. And for a while it was looking like they were going to get what they really wanted in the first place: the destruction of the U.S. government as the referee of the U.S. economy, perhaps as much more than a strorage service for tanks and nuclear weapons.
But we've read their book. Everyone now knows the GOP is not just inept, not merely associated with a malevolent fringe, but true evil through and through. I'm winning the our wager. And my party is winning the world! :yeah:
Anyway, how are you? :)
Quote from: Ideologue on December 28, 2011, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 28, 2011, 12:03:08 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 27, 2011, 09:53:09 PM
Now I do blame Bush for making our obscenely low tax burden the new normal and then prosecuting two underfunded wars, leading to the huge debt that the GOPpies are now using as a political bludgeon for stupid people who think that government debt is in any wise the same as household debt.
Still haven't come completely to terms with the fact that it was the Democrats who extended the Bush tax cuts for two years, have you?
Because they'd have been crucified for raisin' taxes. That's what I meant by "new normal." Bush and the GOPgress left a time bomb that would explode in the Dems' face. Clever plan. Monstrous, but very clever.
Given the general incompetence of our elected officials, I'm not sure why things would be better if these benevolent Dems who know "what's best for us, even when we don't want it" had full charge of the government.
Quote from: Ideologue on December 28, 2011, 05:14:05 PM
But we've read their book. Everyone now knows the GOP is not just inept, not merely associated with a malevolent fringe, but true evil through and through. I'm winning the our wager. And my party is winning the world! :yeah:
Have you been hanging out with Fireblade lately?
Quote from: Ideologue on December 28, 2011, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 28, 2011, 12:03:08 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 27, 2011, 09:53:09 PM
Now I do blame Bush for making our obscenely low tax burden the new normal and then prosecuting two underfunded wars, leading to the huge debt that the GOPpies are now using as a political bludgeon for stupid people who think that government debt is in any wise the same as household debt.
Still haven't come completely to terms with the fact that it was the Democrats who extended the Bush tax cuts for two years, have you?
Because they'd have been crucified for raisin' taxes. That's what I meant by "new normal." Bush and the GOPgress left a time bomb that would explode in the Dems' face. Clever plan. Monstrous, but very clever. And for a while it was looking like they were going to get what they really wanted in the first place: the destruction of the U.S. government as the referee of the U.S. economy, perhaps as much more than a strorage service for tanks and nuclear weapons.
But we've read their book. Everyone now knows the GOP is not just inept, not merely associated with a malevolent fringe, but true evil through and through. I'm winning the our wager. And my party is winning the world! :yeah:
Anyway, how are you? :)
You are more delusion than the revolutionaries of 1848 or the Decemberists. WTG. You are nearly in Bolshie territory.
Quote from: Scipio on December 29, 2011, 12:38:14 PM
You are more delusion than the revolutionaries of 1848 or the Decemberists. WTG. You are nearly in Bolshie territory.
:huh:
The Bolsheviks were successful in their revolution.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 29, 2011, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: Scipio on December 29, 2011, 12:38:14 PM
You are more delusion than the revolutionaries of 1848 or the Decemberists. WTG. You are nearly in Bolshie territory.
:huh:
The Bolsheviks were successful in their revolution.
Successful in murdering millions of innocent Kulaks, which Ide wants to do in America, for the same reason Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin did: they were on the outside looking in. Ide didn't give a shit about the revolution until his personal life went kablooie. If Ide and his ilk can kill several million of us who refuse to give up and surrender to the will to violence, then he can have his worker's paradise.
Until then, he can STFU about the triumph of his overeducated and underworked peers in the Occupy Red Ass zone.
Quote from: Scipio on December 29, 2011, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 29, 2011, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: Scipio on December 29, 2011, 12:38:14 PM
You are more delusion than the revolutionaries of 1848 or the Decemberists. WTG. You are nearly in Bolshie territory.
:huh:
The Bolsheviks were successful in their revolution.
Successful in murdering millions of innocent Kulaks, which Ide wants to do in America, for the same reason Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin did: they were on the outside looking in. Ide didn't give a shit about the revolution until his personal life went kablooie. If Ide and his ilk can kill several million of us who refuse to give up and surrender to the will to violence, then he can have his worker's paradise.
Until then, he can STFU about the triumph of his overeducated and underworked peers in the Occupy Red Ass zone.
...I vote Democrat. I've only mentioned that about ten thousand times.
Of course, if you think the Democratic Party stands for "killing millions of kulaks," maybe someone else is the delusional one. :whistle:
All statists are the same.
Anarchists are too.
Quote from: Scipio on December 29, 2011, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 29, 2011, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: Scipio on December 29, 2011, 12:38:14 PM
You are more delusion than the revolutionaries of 1848 or the Decemberists. WTG. You are nearly in Bolshie territory.
:huh:
The Bolsheviks were successful in their revolution.
Successful in murdering millions of innocent Kulaks, which Ide wants to do in America, for the same reason Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin did: they were on the outside looking in. Ide didn't give a shit about the revolution until his personal life went kablooie. If Ide and his ilk can kill several million of us who refuse to give up and surrender to the will to violence, then he can have his worker's paradise.
Until then, he can STFU about the triumph of his overeducated and underworked peers in the Occupy Red Ass zone.
:lol: Almost missed this.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 30, 2011, 04:21:39 PM
Quote from: Scipio on December 29, 2011, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 29, 2011, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: Scipio on December 29, 2011, 12:38:14 PM
You are more delusion than the revolutionaries of 1848 or the Decemberists. WTG. You are nearly in Bolshie territory.
:huh:
The Bolsheviks were successful in their revolution.
Successful in murdering millions of innocent Kulaks, which Ide wants to do in America, for the same reason Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin did: they were on the outside looking in. Ide didn't give a shit about the revolution until his personal life went kablooie. If Ide and his ilk can kill several million of us who refuse to give up and surrender to the will to violence, then he can have his worker's paradise.
Until then, he can STFU about the triumph of his overeducated and underworked peers in the Occupy Red Ass zone.
:lol: Almost missed this.
Glad I made someone laugh. ;)
I assumed you were serious. We're usually pretty antagonistic toward each other.
Mind, it doesn't mean I don't like you, Aleks. :)
Quote from: Ideologue on December 30, 2011, 10:16:25 PM
I assumed you were serious. We're usually pretty antagonistic toward each other.
Mind, it doesn't mean I don't like you, Aleks. :)
Most laughable posts on Languish are serious.