Firing squad for anyone guilty, regardless of the gender of the victim.
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/04/03/the-military-s-secret-shame.html
QuoteThe Military's Secret Shame
When men in the military rape other men in the ranks, no one wants to talk about it. Why the sexual assault of males in the service is finally being confronted.
Greg Jeloudov was 35 and new to America when he decided to join the Army. Like most soldiers, he was driven by both patriotism for his adopted homeland and the pragmatic notion that the military could be a first step in a career that would enable him to provide for his new family. Instead, Jeloudov arrived at Fort Benning, Ga., for basic training in May 2009, in the middle of the economic crisis and rising xenophobia. The soldiers in his unit, responding to his Russian accent and New York City address, called him a "champagne socialist" and a "commie faggot." He was, he told NEWSWEEK, "in the middle of the viper's pit." Less than two weeks after arriving on base, he was gang-raped in the barracks by men who said they were showing him who was in charge of the United States. When he reported the attack to unit commanders, he says they told him, "It must have been your fault. You must have provoked them."
What happened to Jeloudov is a part of life in the armed forces that hardly anyone talks about: male-on-male sexual assault. In the staunchly traditional military culture, it's an ugly secret, kept hidden by layers of personal shame and official denial. Last year nearly 50,000 male veterans screened positive for "military sexual trauma" at the Department of Veterans Affairs, up from just over 30,000 in 2003. For the victims, the experience is a special kind of hell—a soldier can't just quit his job to get away from his abusers. But now, as the Pentagon has begun to acknowledge the rampant problem of sexual violence for both genders, men are coming forward in unprecedented numbers, telling their stories and hoping that speaking up will help them, and others, put their lives back together. "We don't like to think that our men can be victims," says Kathleen Chard, chief of the posttraumatic-stress unit at the Cincinnati VA. "We don't want to think that it could happen to us. If a man standing in front of me who is my size, my skill level, who has been raped—what does that mean about me? I can be raped, too."
In fact, it is the high victimization rate of female soldiers—women in the armed forces are now more likely to be assaulted by a fellow soldier than killed in combat—that has helped cast light on men assaulting other men. For most of military history, there was neither a system nor language in place to deal with incidents of soldier-on-soldier sexual assault. It wasn't until 1992 that the Defense Department even acknowledged such incidents as an offense, and initially only female victims were recognized. But last year more than 110 men made confidential reports of sexual assault by other men, nearly three times as many as in 2007. The real number of victims is surely much higher. Even among civilians, sexual assault is a vastly underreported crime. In the military the silence is nearly complete. By the Pentagon's own estimate, figures for assaults on women likely represent less than 20 percent of actual incidents. Another study released in March found that just one in 15 men in the Air Force would report being sexually assaulted, compared with one in five women.
While many might assume the perpetrators of such assaults are closeted gay soldiers, military experts and outside researchers say assailants usually are heterosexual. Like in prisons and other predominantly male environments, male-on-male assault in the military, experts say, is motivated not by homosexuality, but power, intimidation, and domination. Assault victims, both male and female, are typically young and low-ranking; they are targeted for their vulnerability. Often, in male-on-male cases, assailants go after those they assume are gay, even if they are not. "One of the reasons people commit sexual assault is to put people in their place, to drive them out," says Mic Hunter, author of Honor Betrayed: Sexual Abuse in America's Military. "Sexual assault isn't about sex, it's about violence."
According to Hunter and others, the repeal of the military's policy of "don't ask, don't tell" might actually help the institution address the issue. Under that rule, being gay meant being fundamentally unfit to serve; it meant you didn't belong. It also meant that victims were even more reluctant to report their attacks. "I wouldn't say that the repeal is going to make it safe," says Aaron Belkin, director of the Palm Center, a think tank on gays in the military. "But male victims will be a little bit less reluctant to report their assaults." Belkin notes that it's not just the military that avoids the issue: even gay-rights organizations are wary of it. "We don't like to talk about it because it makes rape look like a gay issue," Belkin says. "The military doesn't want to talk about it because, as embarrassing as male-female rape is, [from their perspective] this is even worse. The very fact that there's male-on-male rape in the military means that there are warriors who aren't strong enough to fight back."
Blake Stephens, now 29, joined the Army in January 2001, just seven months after graduating from high school. The verbal and physical attacks started quickly, he says, and came from virtually every level of the chain of command. In one of the worst incidents, a group of men tackled him, shoved a soda bottle into his rectum, and threw him backward off an elevated platform onto the hood of a car. When he reported the incident, Stephens says, his platoon sergeant told him, "You're the problem. You're the reason this is happening," and refused to take action. "You just feel trapped," he says. "They basically tell you you're going to have to keep working with these people day after day, night after night. You don't have a choice." His assailants told him that once deployed to Iraq, they would shoot him in the head. "They told me they were going to have sex with me all the time when we were there," he says.
Stephens twice attempted suicide. His marriage fell apart. He became paranoid and explosive. In June 2003 his mother wrote a letter to Sen. Barbara Boxer, detailing her son's "continued humiliation." "Congressional inquiries have been know [sic] to jeopardize a soldier's rank and standing," Boxer's office responded. "There is no way for our office to administratively protect your son's military standing once a congressional examination is in progress." The following August, Stephens was discharged for his "physical condition."
Fear of a ruined career is a major factor preventing victims from coming forward. In 2010 the Pentagon anonymously surveyed active-duty soldiers who had been sexually assaulted about why they declined to report their attacks. Almost half the responding men said they kept silent because they didn't want anyone to know, a third said they didn't think anything would be done, and almost 30 percent said they were afraid of retaliation or reprisals.
In recent years the Pentagon has tried to show that it takes the issue seriously, defining sexual assault in broad terms as a "spectrum of offenses from rape to nonconsensual sodomy to wrongful sexual contact, as well as attempts to commit these offenses." In 2005 it established a special unit, the Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office, and provided training for 1,200 officers to handle incident reports. Yet critics believe that the Pentagon has moved too slowly and that military procedures for prosecuting such crimes are far less effective than civilian laws. In February, Jeloudov and 16 other former and active-duty service members filed a class-action lawsuit against Defense Secretary Robert Gates and his predecessor, Donald Rumsfeld, charging they "ran institutions in which perpetrators were promoted...and Plaintiffs and other victims were openly subjected to retaliation."
Because reports of such crimes happen outside the reach of police and are handled by a unit's commanding officer, according to the Pentagon's own figures, last year just 15 percent of reported cases were actually prosecuted. "There's no investigatory training. They don't tell you to look for evidence," says Greg Jacob, who retired as a captain after 10 years in the Marines and is now policy director for the Service Women's Action Network. "Military justice imbued me with the ability to be judge and jury. Honestly, I had no idea what to do." Commanders often decline to take any action at all. "I have nothing bad to say about the military. There's sick bastards in all walks of life," says Michael F. Matthews, who was raped during basic training in 1972 but didn't tell anyone until 30 years later. "I get angry with the military system sometimes, but I understand it. What happens is on small levels. You take [a complaint] to your commanding officer. He doesn't want that black eye. He wants the promotion. So he tries to keep it under the carpet."
But dismissing such brutality can produce more victims. Twenty-two years ago, Jamey Michael Harding, then a baby-faced 17-year-old enlistee, says he was raped repeatedly by a drill sergeant at basic training. He attempted to report his assault, but his complaint was ignored, he says. The sergeant stayed in the armed forces, ultimately retiring as a decorated officer. Almost two decades later, the man whom Harding says raped him was arrested for raping multiple underage cadets at a junior ROTC program. He pleaded guilty to lewd and lascivious acts on a child and is now in prison. Harding, meanwhile, struggles with an array of mental-health issues he says stem from his attacks. "Many men and women will experience symptoms like PTSD or depression after experiencing sexual assault. But the experience seems even more detrimental for men's mental health," says Amy Street, a psychologist with the Boston VA hospital who has worked with both male and female survivors. "The way I make sense of that is that women, for better or worse, live their lives with this idea that they might experience sexual assault at some point. There are public models of how to recover from rape. Men don't have any expectation that this might happen to them. It's very difficult to figure out how those experiences fit into your sense of self as a man."
What's clear is that the Pentagon has only just begun to figure out how to treat men who have been sexually traumatized. Until 2006, sexual assault was classified as a women's health issue, and even today, Pentagon awareness campaigns target women almost exclusively. Kathleen Chard, the Cincinnati VA psychologist who runs PTSD programs, says that more than 11 percent of the men she works with eventually admit that they were sexually victimized. Nationwide, there are just six programs like hers, and there is a single VA facility, in Bay Pines, Fla., that specifically treats male survivors of sexual trauma. When Matthews finally sought treatment for the PTSD caused by his rape, he says he had to wait six months for a space to open up. "I went to the group and there's all these guys from the Korean War through Desert Storm," he recalls. "And you say, 'Oh, my God.' "
Since Matthews served a full 20 years and sustained physical injuries during the course of his service, he receives 100 percent of his disability benefits. The others aren't so lucky. In order to receive full benefits for mental and physical health issues stemming from sexual assault, veterans must first prove that the assault occurred. Last year the VA loosened its rules pertaining to those who file claims for combat-related PTSD, reducing the burden of proof. But that change did not apply to sexual trauma. In March, Rep. Chellie Pingree, a Maine Democrat, introduced a bill that would make it easier for victims like Blake Stephens to get benefits and medical coverage. "It's the hardest thing we hear: people who have suffered a sexual trauma and then have to prove it," she says. "We can't leave them out there hanging. It's unconscionable." Even if the bill passes, it will likely be too late to help Jeloudov, the soldier who was raped in basic training. Shortly after his attack, with his assailants threatening to send him "back to Russia in half," his commanding officer told him to sign a document stating that he was a practicing homosexual. He was subsequently discharged under "don't ask, don't tell." Less than two years later, his wife has left him, he is unemployed, and he is racked by emotional problems. His VA doctors have prescribed him half a dozen psychotropic drugs that target, variously, his PTSD, insomnia, flashbacks, and depression. He receives a fraction of full VA benefits, which helps explain his determination to prove that he was raped. Embroiled in the bureaucracy of the VA system, he easily descends into despair. But he's insistent on telling his story. "America to me is justice, truth, and fairness," he says. "Everything that happened there, none of it had to do with any of that."
If you are the victim of a sexual assault and you're seeking assistance, go to the National Center for PTSD to find a service provider in your area. For immediate help, contact the Safe Helpline, the Department of Defense's new crisis support service, via phone call, text, or instant message. Operated by RAINN, the nation's largest anti-sexual-violence organization, your information will be kept confidential and will not be shared with anyone on your chain of command.
Was this posted for Siege's benefit? :hmm:
TL, DR.
About that russian dude in the first paraghraph.
He must really be a fag weak mothefucker.
I mean, I ain't defending the faggots the raped him.
It is gay wether your are giving or taking. (Yeah, in middle eastern culture giving is nowhere near as bad as taking)
However, the dude is friggin what? 35? Really? And he can't own that friggin basic training platoon?
I don't know if you guys remember when I told you years ago about the egyptian dude that was with me in basic?
He wasn't in my platoon but he was in my company.
There were a bunch of foreign previous service dudes in my basic training company.
This egyptian guy didn't get raped, but he got beaten the fuck up, and not by me.
Why? He was weak. He was a fucking pussy, drafted into the egyptian army back when he was 18, but not a fucking warrior.
Brand new american soldiers, 18 or so, can smell weakness from 100 miles away. Especially in older men with previous service.
Especially in foreign men with previous military service.
So this egyptian dude got beaten, and he quit. Just like that. Didn't even got through half basic, let alone graduation and the crossed rifle ceremony.
Now, this russian dude in the op, did he really got raped?
I don't know.
I have to tell you though, from my basic training experience, which I went through 3 times in 3 diferent countries before serving in 3 diferent wars in 2 diferent continents, in basic training, nobody can get the dick up, not even for masturbation, especially not in Week Two. Are you fucking kidding me? Week 2 you are still under Total Control. You can't fucking BREATHE without you Drill Sergeant knowing you are fucking breathing.
I say this story is bullshit.
If is real the details MUST be wrong.
QuoteAccording to Hunter and others, the repeal of the military's policy of "don't ask, don't tell" might actually help the institution address the issue. Under that rule, being gay meant being fundamentally unfit to serve; it meant you didn't belong. It also meant that victims were even more reluctant to report their attacks. "I wouldn't say that the repeal is going to make it safe," says Aaron Belkin, director of the Palm Center, a think tank on gays in the military.
I think they got it backwards - apparently, a lot of people used to cry rape when they got caught, because they were afraid of being thrown out under DADT.
Quote"The military doesn't want to talk about it because, as embarrassing as male-female rape is, [from their perspective] this is even worse. The very fact that there's male-on-male rape in the military means that there are warriors who aren't strong enough to fight back."
WTF. I thought all the talk about "warriors" from Siegy was just him being a tribal tard, but they are using this in formal language? WTF? This ain't Diablo or WoW. What has always made the West more civilized and superior to all the tribal shit elsewhere ever since we crawled out of middle ages, is that we have soldiers not warriors.
Its not gay if you're the giver. :contract:
Quote from: Tyr on April 07, 2011, 04:54:43 AM
Its not gay if you're the giver. :contract:
:homestar:
So not hot.
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2011, 01:28:34 AM
WTF. I thought all the talk about "warriors" from Siegy was just him being a tribal tard, but they are using this in formal language? WTF? This ain't Diablo or WoW. What has always made the West more civilized and superior to all the tribal shit elsewhere ever since we crawled out of middle ages, is that we have soldiers not warriors.
The word "warrior" has been used to refer to soldiers for quite a while in our jargon though. For example, army reservists = "weekend warriors".
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2011, 01:28:34 AM
Quote"The military doesn't want to talk about it because, as embarrassing as male-female rape is, [from their perspective] this is even worse. The very fact that there's male-on-male rape in the military means that there are warriors who aren't strong enough to fight back."
WTF. I thought all the talk about "warriors" from Siegy was just him being a tribal tard, but they are using this in formal language? WTF? This ain't Diablo or WoW. What has always made the West more civilized and superior to all the tribal shit elsewhere ever since we crawled out of middle ages, is that we have soldiers not warriors.
And now the pendulum is swinging back to warriors with the rise of the professional militaries. As a gay, I don't expect you to understand things.
It's the inevitable result of nationalism, which is just tribalism on a larger scale.
QuoteIn fact, it is the high victimization rate of female soldiers—women in the armed forces are now more likely to be assaulted by a fellow soldier than killed in combat—that has helped cast light on men assaulting other men.
I love comments like this. The use of "now" to imply that this is some kind of growing problem, the "high" victimization rate based on a completely spurious comparison...
It's nice to come across a comment like this and realize the author has an agenda, and you can assume the rest of the article is just as dishonest and full of shit as this comment. It's like a little marker that saves me from having to read the rest of the article. I only wish it had been the FIRST comment, to save me even more time.
I have no problem believing same-sex rape is a not insignificant problem in the US military. As an organization it has all the hallmarks of an organization where such attitudes could flourish - highly structured, high deference to authority, largely sex segregated.
I of course have no idea about the US military specifically - but in general it all fits.
Quote from: Berkut on April 07, 2011, 08:56:00 AM
QuoteIn fact, it is the high victimization rate of female soldiers—women in the armed forces are now more likely to be assaulted by a fellow soldier than killed in combat—that has helped cast light on men assaulting other men.
I love comments like this. The use of "now" to imply that this is some kind of growing problem, the "high" victimization rate based on a completely spurious comparison...
It's nice to come across a comment like this and realize the author has an agenda, and you can assume the rest of the article is just as dishonest and full of shit as this comment. It's like a little marker that saves me from having to read the rest of the article. I only wish it had been the FIRST comment, to save me even more time.
I was thinking the same thing...
so female soldiers in 1993 were more likely to be killed in combat than be sexually assaulted?
Raping is a common behavior in any male dominated army - whether 'intra muros' or against outsiders. One could call it an extension of their training. At various periods throughout History soldiers/warriors would routinely rape the defeated enemy to mark their superiority - because as we all know - penetration is for many the ultimate proof of one's manhood.
G.
Quote from: Neil on April 07, 2011, 08:15:39 AM
And now the pendulum is swinging back to warriors with the rise of the professional militaries.
No it's not. Discipline and obedience are still hallmarks of a modern military.
Quote from: Berkut on April 07, 2011, 08:56:00 AM
QuoteIn fact, it is the high victimization rate of female soldiers—women in the armed forces are now more likely to be assaulted by a fellow soldier than killed in combat—that has helped cast light on men assaulting other men.
I love comments like this. The use of "now" to imply that this is some kind of growing problem, the "high" victimization rate based on a completely spurious comparison...
It's nice to come across a comment like this and realize the author has an agenda, and you can assume the rest of the article is just as dishonest and full of shit as this comment. It's like a little marker that saves me from having to read the rest of the article. I only wish it had been the FIRST comment, to save me even more time.
Yeah, given that female soldiers aren't in front line combat units, infantry, etc - jobs which are heavily male, even though women in support roles still come under fire and suffer casualties. So it would seem to make sense that crimes against women are much more likely than combat casualties. :hmm:
I saw the words "US military" and vomited.
Quote from: Grallon on April 07, 2011, 09:41:30 AM
Raping is a common behavior in any male dominated army - whether 'intra muros' or against outsiders. One could call it an extension of their training. At various periods throughout History soldiers/warriors would routinely rape the defeated enemy to mark their superiority - because as we all know - penetration is for many the ultimate proof of one's manhood.
You have a historical example of a mass rape of a defeated army?
Quote from: Tyr on April 07, 2011, 04:54:43 AM
Its not gay if you're the giver. :contract:
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Siege on April 07, 2011, 12:58:53 AM
TL, DR.
About that russian dude in the first paraghraph.
He must really be a fag weak mothefucker.
I mean, I ain't defending the faggots the raped him.
It is gay wether your are giving or taking. (Yeah, in middle eastern culture giving is nowhere near as bad as taking)
However, the dude is friggin what? 35? Really? And he can't own that friggin basic training platoon?
I don't know if you guys remember when I told you years ago about the egyptian dude that was with me in basic?
He wasn't in my platoon but he was in my company.
There were a bunch of foreign previous service dudes in my basic training company.
This egyptian guy didn't get raped, but he got beaten the fuck up, and not by me.
Why? He was weak. He was a fucking pussy, drafted into the egyptian army back when he was 18, but not a fucking warrior.
Brand new american soldiers, 18 or so, can smell weakness from 100 miles away. Especially in older men with previous service.
Especially in foreign men with previous military service.
So this egyptian dude got beaten, and he quit. Just like that. Didn't even got through half basic, let alone graduation and the crossed rifle ceremony.
Now, this russian dude in the op, did he really got raped?
I don't know.
I have to tell you though, from my basic training experience, which I went through 3 times in 3 diferent countries before serving in 3 diferent wars in 2 diferent continents, in basic training, nobody can get the dick up, not even for masturbation, especially not in Week Two. Are you fucking kidding me? Week 2 you are still under Total Control. You can't fucking BREATHE without you Drill Sergeant knowing you are fucking breathing.
I say this story is bullshit.
If is real the details MUST be wrong.
My first reaction to this article was : lol wut?
champagne socialist? :lol:
But siegy is kind of right, nobody really has any desire for quite a long time, I don't think I had the urge for the entire 3 months. You're surrounded by dudes, and you don't see any women at all.
And the second part, where he says it happened in week 2? You are literally supervised 24 hours a day by a drill sergeant, never left alone for the first 4 weeks. And then they scale it back.
So....what ever you champagne socialist.
I saw female recruits on Parris Island. :perv:
Quote from: Grallon on April 07, 2011, 09:41:30 AM
Raping is a common behavior in any male dominated army - whether 'intra muros' or against outsiders. One could call it an extension of their training. At various periods throughout History soldiers/warriors would routinely rape the defeated enemy to mark their superiority - because as we all know - penetration is for many the ultimate proof of one's manhood.
It's threads like these that make me miss rufweed.
Was he a rapist in the military?
Siegebreaker would never rape a soldier. Unless he got posted to one of those places with child soldiers, in which case he'd be on that like it was a twelve-year old Palestinian girl.
Quote from: Tyr on April 07, 2011, 04:54:43 AM
Its not gay if you're the giver. :contract:
Fuck no. That's as gay as taking it.
If you really think about it, giving is even more gay than taking it, because you have to actually get it up getting exited by a dude.
It doens't get any gayer than this.
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2011, 01:28:34 AM
Quote"The military doesn't want to talk about it because, as embarrassing as male-female rape is, [from their perspective] this is even worse. The very fact that there's male-on-male rape in the military means that there are warriors who aren't strong enough to fight back."
WTF. I thought all the talk about "warriors" from Siegy was just him being a tribal tard, but they are using this in formal language? WTF? This ain't Diablo or WoW. What has always made the West more civilized and superior to all the tribal shit elsewhere ever since we crawled out of middle ages, is that we have soldiers not warriors.
What? You never heard about the Warrior's Creed?
I am an American Soldier.
I am a Warrior and a member of a team.
I serve the people of the United States and live the Army Values.
I will always place the mission first.I will never accept defeat.I will never quit.I will never leave a fallen comrade.I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills.
I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
I am an expert and I am a professional.
I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
I am an American Soldier
Quote from: Maximus on April 07, 2011, 08:19:16 AM
It's the inevitable result of nationalism, which is just tribalism on a larger scale.
I disagree. Nationalism is the opposite of Tribalism.
Nationalism tries to undermine Tribalism in order to achieve its goals of creating a larger and more powerful social entity.
Quote from: Grallon on April 07, 2011, 09:41:30 AM
Raping is a common behavior in any male dominated army - whether 'intra muros' or against outsiders. One could call it an extension of their training. At various periods throughout History soldiers/warriors would routinely rape the defeated enemy to mark their superiority - because as we all know - penetration is for many the ultimate proof of one's manhood.
G.
You are talking out of your ass.
Not a surprise, to say the least.
Homosexuality have always been shun from in the military.
Yes, we are constantly making gay jokes, but that doesn't mean gayness is acceptable. On the contrary.
Quote from: The Brain on April 07, 2011, 10:47:55 AM
I saw the words "US military" and vomited.
Lucky you, that I wasn't there to make you eat your vomit.
Quote from: Siege on April 07, 2011, 08:04:04 PM
I disagree. Nationalism is the opposite of Tribalism.
Nationalism tries to undermine Tribalism in order to achieve its goals of creating a larger and more powerful social entity.
Nationalism is tribalism with a larger, more broadly defined and better organized tribe.
Quote from: Siege on April 07, 2011, 08:07:06 PM
Homosexuality have always been shun from in the military.
Tell that to all those Greek homos.
Quote from: Siege on April 07, 2011, 07:52:48 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2011, 01:28:34 AM
Quote"The military doesn't want to talk about it because, as embarrassing as male-female rape is, [from their perspective] this is even worse. The very fact that there's male-on-male rape in the military means that there are warriors who aren't strong enough to fight back."
WTF. I thought all the talk about "warriors" from Siegy was just him being a tribal tard, but they are using this in formal language? WTF? This ain't Diablo or WoW. What has always made the West more civilized and superior to all the tribal shit elsewhere ever since we crawled out of middle ages, is that we have soldiers not warriors.
What? You never heard about the Warrior's Creed?
I am an American Soldier.
I am a Warrior and a member of a team.
I serve the people of the United States and live the Army Values.
I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.
I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills.
I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
I am an expert and I am a professional.
I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
I am an American Soldier
That's the
Soldiers Creed, and you highlighted the
Warrior ethos, moron.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 07, 2011, 12:07:08 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 07, 2011, 12:58:53 AM
TL, DR.
About that russian dude in the first paraghraph.
He must really be a fag weak mothefucker.
I mean, I ain't defending the faggots the raped him.
It is gay wether your are giving or taking. (Yeah, in middle eastern culture giving is nowhere near as bad as taking)
However, the dude is friggin what? 35? Really? And he can't own that friggin basic training platoon?
I don't know if you guys remember when I told you years ago about the egyptian dude that was with me in basic?
He wasn't in my platoon but he was in my company.
There were a bunch of foreign previous service dudes in my basic training company.
This egyptian guy didn't get raped, but he got beaten the fuck up, and not by me.
Why? He was weak. He was a fucking pussy, drafted into the egyptian army back when he was 18, but not a fucking warrior.
Brand new american soldiers, 18 or so, can smell weakness from 100 miles away. Especially in older men with previous service.
Especially in foreign men with previous military service.
So this egyptian dude got beaten, and he quit. Just like that. Didn't even got through half basic, let alone graduation and the crossed rifle ceremony.
Now, this russian dude in the op, did he really got raped?
I don't know.
I have to tell you though, from my basic training experience, which I went through 3 times in 3 diferent countries before serving in 3 diferent wars in 2 diferent continents, in basic training, nobody can get the dick up, not even for masturbation, especially not in Week Two. Are you fucking kidding me? Week 2 you are still under Total Control. You can't fucking BREATHE without you Drill Sergeant knowing you are fucking breathing.
I say this story is bullshit.
If is real the details MUST be wrong.
My first reaction to this article was : lol wut?
champagne socialist? :lol:
But siegy is kind of right, nobody really has any desire for quite a long time, I don't think I had the urge for the entire 3 months. You're surrounded by dudes, and you don't see any women at all.
And the second part, where he says it happened in week 2? You are literally supervised 24 hours a day by a drill sergeant, never left alone for the first 4 weeks. And then they scale it back.
So....what ever you champagne socialist.
Yeah. We used to joke that they were putting something in our food so our dicks wouldn't work.
In reality of course, it was just the stress of basic training.
People don't realize that in basic training everything is contraband, from cigarrettes and candy, to pornography and alcohol.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 07, 2011, 08:13:15 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 07, 2011, 07:52:48 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 07, 2011, 01:28:34 AM
Quote“The military doesn't want to talk about it because, as embarrassing as male-female rape is, [from their perspective] this is even worse. The very fact that there's male-on-male rape in the military means that there are warriors who aren't strong enough to fight back.”
WTF. I thought all the talk about "warriors" from Siegy was just him being a tribal tard, but they are using this in formal language? WTF? This ain't Diablo or WoW. What has always made the West more civilized and superior to all the tribal shit elsewhere ever since we crawled out of middle ages, is that we have soldiers not warriors.
What? You never heard about the Warrior's Creed?
I am an American Soldier.
I am a Warrior and a member of a team.
I serve the people of the United States and live the Army Values.
I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.
I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills.
I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
I am an expert and I am a professional.
I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
I am an American Soldier
That's the Soldiers Creed, and you highlighted the Warrior ethos, moron.
Fuck you, faggot.
I had to many beers today.
I started at a mexican restaurant, by the way, where I saw a dude that looked just like Jaron.
Hey, Alcifaggot, do you know your Commissioned Officer's Creed?
No one is less professional than I. I am a Commissioned Officer, definitively not a leader of soldiers. As a Commissioned Officer, I realize that I am not a member of any time honored corps, let alone one which is known as "The Backbone of the Army". I am ashamed of the Corps of Commissioned Officers and will at all times conduct myself so as to bring discredit upon the Corps, the Military Service and my country regardless of the situation in which I find myself. I will always use my grade and position to attain pleasure, profit, and personal safety.
Incompetence is my watchword. My two basic responsibilities will always be farthest from my mind -- accomplishment of my mission and the welfare of my soldiers. I will strive to remain technically and tactically deficient. I am unaware of my role as a Commissioned Officer. I will unfulfill my responsibilities inherent in that role. All soldiers are entitled to outstanding leadership; I will definitively not provide that leadership. I don't know my soldiers and I will never place their needs above my own. I will communicate unconsistently with my soldiers and always leave them uninformed. I will be unfair and partial when recommending both rewards and punishment.
NCOs of my unit will have minimum time to accomplish their duties; they will have to accomplish mine. I will earn their disrespect and unconfidence as well as that of my soldiers. I will be disloyal to those with whom I serve; seniors, peers, and subordinates alike. I will exercise initiative by taking unappropriate action in the presence of orders. I will compromise my integrity, and my moral courage. I will not remember, nor will I allow my comrades to remember that we are suppossed to be professionals, Commissioned Officers, leaders!
Alci should have you court martialed.
Quote from: Siege on April 07, 2011, 08:09:22 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 07, 2011, 10:47:55 AM
I saw the words "US military" and vomited.
Lucky you, that I wasn't there to make you eat your vomit.
Fortunately, he doesn't need anyone to make him do it.
Quote from: Siege on April 07, 2011, 08:31:25 PM
Hey, Alcifaggot, do you know your Commissioned Officer's Creed?
No one is less professional than I. I am a Commissioned Officer, definitively not a leader of soldiers. As a Commissioned Officer, I realize that I am not a member of any time honored corps, let alone one which is known as "The Backbone of the Army". I am ashamed of the Corps of Commissioned Officers and will at all times conduct myself so as to bring discredit upon the Corps, the Military Service and my country regardless of the situation in which I find myself. I will always use my grade and position to attain pleasure, profit, and personal safety.
Incompetence is my watchword. My two basic responsibilities will always be farthest from my mind -- accomplishment of my mission and the welfare of my soldiers. I will strive to remain technically and tactically deficient. I am unaware of my role as a Commissioned Officer. I will unfulfill my responsibilities inherent in that role. All soldiers are entitled to outstanding leadership; I will definitively not provide that leadership. I don't know my soldiers and I will never place their needs above my own. I will communicate unconsistently with my soldiers and always leave them uninformed. I will be unfair and partial when recommending both rewards and punishment.
NCOs of my unit will have minimum time to accomplish their duties; they will have to accomplish mine. I will earn their disrespect and unconfidence as well as that of my soldiers. I will be disloyal to those with whom I serve; seniors, peers, and subordinates alike. I will exercise initiative by taking unappropriate action in the presence of orders. I will compromise my integrity, and my moral courage. I will not remember, nor will I allow my comrades to remember that we are suppossed to be professionals, Commissioned Officers, leaders!
Hey, Siege? You realize that Alci was infantry for a few years before going into Officers' Training, right? He's done what you do... and now he's learning how to do it better and how to teach it to others better.
In other words, you're not only dumber than him; you're worth less. Literally.
And Meri comes out swinging for no apparent reason.
Isn't Alci a neighbor of Meri and Max? That's an apparent enough reason.
Quote from: merithyn on April 07, 2011, 10:23:27 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 07, 2011, 08:31:25 PM
Hey, Alcifaggot, do you know your Commissioned Officer's Creed?
No one is less professional than I. I am a Commissioned Officer, definitively not a leader of soldiers. As a Commissioned Officer, I realize that I am not a member of any time honored corps, let alone one which is known as "The Backbone of the Army". I am ashamed of the Corps of Commissioned Officers and will at all times conduct myself so as to bring discredit upon the Corps, the Military Service and my country regardless of the situation in which I find myself. I will always use my grade and position to attain pleasure, profit, and personal safety.
Incompetence is my watchword. My two basic responsibilities will always be farthest from my mind -- accomplishment of my mission and the welfare of my soldiers. I will strive to remain technically and tactically deficient. I am unaware of my role as a Commissioned Officer. I will unfulfill my responsibilities inherent in that role. All soldiers are entitled to outstanding leadership; I will definitively not provide that leadership. I don't know my soldiers and I will never place their needs above my own. I will communicate unconsistently with my soldiers and always leave them uninformed. I will be unfair and partial when recommending both rewards and punishment.
NCOs of my unit will have minimum time to accomplish their duties; they will have to accomplish mine. I will earn their disrespect and unconfidence as well as that of my soldiers. I will be disloyal to those with whom I serve; seniors, peers, and subordinates alike. I will exercise initiative by taking unappropriate action in the presence of orders. I will compromise my integrity, and my moral courage. I will not remember, nor will I allow my comrades to remember that we are suppossed to be professionals, Commissioned Officers, leaders!
Hey, Siege? You realize that Alci was infantry for a few years before going into Officers' Training, right? He's done what you do... and now he's learning how to do it better and how to teach it to others better.
In other words, you're not only dumber than him; you're worth less. Literally.
Connect-four!
C-c-c-c-c-ombo!
Quote from: DGuller on April 07, 2011, 10:39:29 PM
Isn't Alci a neighbor of Meri and Max? That's an apparent enough reason.
We're almost neighbors. Don't expect the same service.
Quote from: garbon on April 07, 2011, 10:31:18 PM
And Meri comes out swinging for no apparent reason.
On the best of days, Siegey drives me crazy. Listening to him go on and on about how Alci is less than him because Alci is going to be an officer pushed all the wrong buttons. It deserved to be pointed out that Alci was a peon first, and an officer second.
Quote from: DGuller on April 07, 2011, 10:39:29 PM
Isn't Alci a neighbor of Meri and Max? That's an apparent enough reason.
And yes, he's a neighbor and a friend. And a hell of a guy that I have a great deal of respect for. I don't like him much since his most recent trip, but I still think he's a great guy in general. :P
Quote from: merithyn on April 07, 2011, 10:48:58 PM
It deserved to be pointed out that Alci was a peon first, and an officer second.
And don't think for a moment all the West Pointers won't let him know it, either.
The problem with recruiting officers out of the ranks of the enlisted men, is that they will lack the moral fortitude which will allow them to expend their men in a manner necessary for the successful completion of their mission.
War is a Gentleman's game, and no matter how hard you try, you cannot remove the grease from under the finger nails of the grunt infantry.
Slargos, as an unrepentant Nazi fanboi, simply adores officers in leather outerwear.
Which is sort of fitting in a male on male rape thread.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 07, 2011, 11:12:21 PM
Slargos, as an unrepentant Nazi fanboi, simply adores officers in leather outerwear.
Which is sort of fitting in a male on male rape thread.
The Swedish army started recruiting from the rank and file before your founding fathers were even a lustful glimmer in their mothers' rapists' eyes, you coon-fucking ne'erdowell layabout. :mad:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 07, 2011, 11:12:21 PM
Slargos, as an unrepentant Nazi fanboi, simply adores officers in leather outerwear.
Which is sort of fitting in a male on male rape thread.
Lulz
:face:
Quote from: garbon on April 07, 2011, 10:43:52 PMWe're almost neighbors. Don't expect the same service.
I don't think anyone expects any kind of service from you, dear :hug:
Well, except maybe Siegy.
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Quote from: Jacob on April 07, 2011, 11:42:44 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 07, 2011, 10:43:52 PMWe're almost neighbors. Don't expect the same service.
I don't think anyone expects any kind of service from you, dear :hug:
Well, except maybe Siegy.
:goodboy:
Quote from: Slargos on April 07, 2011, 11:10:04 PM
The problem with recruiting officers out of the ranks of the enlisted men, is that they will lack the moral fortitude which will allow them to expend their men in a manner necessary for the successful completion of their mission.
War is a Gentleman's game, and no matter how hard you try, you cannot remove the grease from under the finger nails of the grunt infantry.
Yes, that's the kind of approach to military I could agree with. Well-born and well-educated officers sending cannon fodder into front lines, not some sort of neo-tribalist "warriors" who can't afford college rising up in the ranks. :P
Quote from: Martinus on April 08, 2011, 04:33:52 PM
Quote from: Slargos on April 07, 2011, 11:10:04 PM
The problem with recruiting officers out of the ranks of the enlisted men, is that they will lack the moral fortitude which will allow them to expend their men in a manner necessary for the successful completion of their mission.
War is a Gentleman's game, and no matter how hard you try, you cannot remove the grease from under the finger nails of the grunt infantry.
Yes, that's the kind of approach to military I could agree with. Well-born and well-educated officers sending cannon fodder into front lines, not some sort of neo-tribalist "warriors" who can't afford college rising up in the ranks. :P
Why the "warriors"?
Do you think we are not real warriors?
Do you think any sword-yielding faggot got anything on me?
I am the greatest not because I am the strongest, or fastest, or smartest, or bravest.
I am the greatest because I have the biggest dick.
Bigger is not always better.
Quote from: merithyn on April 07, 2011, 10:23:27 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 07, 2011, 08:31:25 PM
Hey, Alcifaggot, do you know your Commissioned Officer's Creed?
Hey, Siege? You realize that Alci was infantry for a few years before going into Officers' Training, right? He's done what you do... and now he's learning how to do it better and how to teach it to others better.
In other words, you're not only dumber than him; you're worth less. Literally.
Whoa. :lol:
Meri, hold your guns.
I love Alci, and that's why I give him a hard time.
Rivalry within the military is a natural thing, and it builds morale.
Soldiers from diferent units constantly snap at each other, in a competitive way.
It was something I figured out myself.
Quote from: garbon on April 08, 2011, 06:42:54 PM
It was something I figured out myself.
You lied to yourself.
My jaw doesn't lie.
Oh I'm sorry. That information is above your pay grade.
lol, and at the gun it's game set match to garbon 6-0 6-0 for the last 4 posts.
Quote from: Martinus on April 08, 2011, 04:33:52 PM
Yes, that's the kind of approach to military I could agree with. Well-born and well-educated officers sending cannon fodder into front lines, not some sort of neo-tribalist "warriors" who can't afford college rising up in the ranks. :P
Wouldn't such a military immediately turn itself to your destruction?
Martinus: yearning for the return of early 18th century warfare, the kind that Poland was so good at.