http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110403/pl_afp/afghanistanunrestusreligionkoranprotestobama
Quote from: HNIC"No religion tolerates the slaughter and beheading of innocent people, and there is no justification for such a dishonorable and deplorable act,"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110403/ap_on_re_as/as_afghan_un_attack
Quote from: Swedish UN envoy"The demonstration was meant to protest against the insane and totally despicable gesture by one person who burned the holy Quran,"
Well. I don't know what more to add. By their own words shall they be condemned.
I can't find the quote in English, but a Norwegian daily has the Dhimmi saying "I don't think we can blame any Afghans. We shall blame the person behind the news - he who burned the Koran."
A shaved head and social ostracization will not be enough for these folks when the war is concluded.. :hmm:
I liked the mindset of one outraged demonstrator who was shown on BBC: "we were holding a peaceful demonstration, but they killed two of ours when we tried to disarm their guards and take away their guns"...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on April 03, 2011, 03:18:16 AM
I liked the mindset of one outraged demonstrator who was shown on BBC: "we were holding a peaceful demonstration, but they killed two of ours when we tried to disarm their guards and take away their guns"...
Muslim sense of entitlement. Who are these kuffars to deny these peaceful demonstrators when they wished to seize the guns in order to ensure that there was no killing [of muslims].
Quote from: Swedish UN fag"Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of offending culture, religion or traditions," de Mistura said.
It does in Florida, fag.
Quote from: Slargos on April 03, 2011, 03:15:26 AM
I can't find the quote in English, but a Norwegian daily has the Dhimmi saying "I don't think we can blame any Afghans. We shall blame the person behind the news - he who burned the Koran."
A shaved head and social ostracization will not be enough for these folks when the war is concluded.. :hmm:
Saying not to blame the Afghans is too much but we most certainly should heavily blame the troll who started this too.
I don't see why. The troll is contemptible and pathetic, but it is not a wise policy to go on a killing spree whenever someone somewhere does something that irritates. The Afghans who react in that way are simply murderous savages.
Quote from: The Brain on April 03, 2011, 04:50:51 AM
Quote from: Swedish UN fag"Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of offending culture, religion or traditions," de Mistura said.
It does in Florida, fag.
Another sign of the greatness of Florida. :cool:
hilarious.
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on April 03, 2011, 03:18:16 AM
I liked the mindset of one outraged demonstrator who was shown on BBC: "we were holding a peaceful demonstration, but they killed two of ours when we tried to disarm their guards and take away their guns"...
I think the NRA has found a new pet project. Gun rights in Afghanistan.
Hitchens schools a Muslim on free speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7aS7m3odqI)
Quote from: Viking on April 03, 2011, 09:27:10 AM
Hitchens schools a Muslim on free speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7aS7m3odqI)
He's looking much better.
Calling them savages would be giving them too much credit, they're just senseless animals.
Muslims are NOT animals. :mad:
Quote from: The Brain on April 03, 2011, 11:24:48 AM
Muslims are NOT animals. :mad:
They're not vegetables or minerals. They don't know the kings of England and can't quote the fights historical, from Marathon to Waterloo in order catagorical.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 03, 2011, 07:19:56 AM
I don't see why. The troll is contemptible and pathetic, but it is not a wise policy to go on a killing spree whenever someone somewhere does something that irritates. The Afghans who react in that way are simply murderous savages.
I agree on all counts. Getting tired of this nutcase, backwards extremist wackoism by some Muslims, in reaction to things that they don't agree with. I also agree that the idiot who burned the Koran was, well, an idiot. Too bad he can't be brought up on hate crimes or something. But the reaction to it is just animalistic savagery, uncivilised, with no place in the modern world. That belongs to centuries ago attitudes and even then it was wrong headed and mindless.
If there ever was an appropriate use of "soft bigotry of low expectations", this is it. It's taken as a given that anytime some troll insults Islam, Muslims are going to form into lynching mobs.
Quote from: The Brain on April 03, 2011, 11:24:48 AM
Muslims are NOT animals. :mad:
At the very least they're eukaryotes.
Quote from: KRonn on April 03, 2011, 11:40:05 AM
I also agree that the idiot who burned the Koran was, well, an idiot. Too bad he can't be brought up on hate crimes or something.
:bleeding:
I second the :bleeding:. The purpose of hate crimes is to punish extra hard crimes that are done with intent to terrorize a group to which the victim belonged. Doing something inflammatory is not a hate crime, unless you're living in some of those countries in Europe with a "special" take on free speech. The members of the lynch mob would be the ones guilty of hate crimes, had they done it in US, not that idiot in Florida.
Quote from: DGuller on April 03, 2011, 12:45:07 PM
I second the :bleeding: . The purpose of hate crimes is to punish extra hard crimes that are done with intent to terrorize a group to which the victim belonged. Doing something inflammatory is not a hate crime, unless you're living in some of those countries in Europe with a "special" take on free speech. The members of the lynch mob would be the ones guilty of hate crimes, had they done it in US, not that idiot in Florida.
There's a very clear divide between the Euro and the US understanding of the concept of free speech, that much becomes obvious during these situations.
Say what you will about Americans, but there is no ubiquitous ", but they had it coming because they were really asking for it" after insinsere token condemnations.
Europe sucks ass.
I should burn a Qur'an at my school for fun just to see what would happen.
Quote from: KRonn on April 03, 2011, 11:40:05 AMToo bad he can't be brought up on hate crimes or something.
Hate crime against a piece of literature? What next, fines and imprisonment for burning a copies of the Twilight books because they might offend fans of Twilight?
Quote from: DGuller on April 03, 2011, 12:45:07 PM
I second the :bleeding:. The purpose of hate crimes is to punish extra hard crimes that are done with intent to terrorize a group to which the victim belonged. Doing something inflammatory is not a hate crime, unless you're living in some of those countries in Europe with a "special" take on free speech. The members of the lynch mob would be the ones guilty of hate crimes, had they done it in US, not that idiot in Florida.
Damn, I realize that of course. But it's so frustrating sometimes what actions cause, like what this one guy did. He probably undermined much of the work that the US and others are trying to do in Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Muslim world. I'm all in favor of US type freedom of speech/expression; wouldn't want it any other way. Just gets frustrating when people don't act responsibly and something quite nasty results.
That said, I still put the majority of blame on the backwards, savagery of the cultures that breed the reactions to the burning. If the guy had burned a Bible no Christians would have been up in arms in anything resembling what the Afghans did. They're the ones that need to advance, to realize what freedoms actually mean and that entails.
Quote from: JonasSalk on April 03, 2011, 01:23:55 PM
Quote from: KRonn on April 03, 2011, 11:40:05 AMToo bad he can't be brought up on hate crimes or something.
Hate crime against a piece of literature? What next, fines and imprisonment for burning a copies of the Twilight books because they might offend fans of Twilight?
Hyperbole on my part. Don't get too bent out of shape over it. ;)
KRonn, while the burning of the Koran was rude and tacky, the fault lies with those who went ballistic. Burning any book shouldn't be an excuse for bloody protests thousands of miles away.
I think there may be a gray area in the realm of "fighting words."
People say terrible things* about gays and blacks all the time. You don't see me flipping out and killing people.
*actually they do terrible things to them as well
Quote from: garbon on April 03, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
KRonn, while the burning of the Koran was rude and tacky, the fault lies with those who went ballistic. Burning any book shouldn't be an excuse for bloody protests thousands of miles away.
That is what I said already. :)
I think a gray area is introduced by the notion of "fighting words."
Quote from: KRonn on April 03, 2011, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 03, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
KRonn, while the burning of the Koran was rude and tacky, the fault lies with those who went ballistic. Burning any book shouldn't be an excuse for bloody protests thousands of miles away.
That is what I said already. :)
No, you keep Euroing your statements.
Fact is that eventually someone will burn a koran or hack your poorly constructed nuke arsenal firewall. If a single person can make a huge difference, eventually someone will do it whether it's out of political, ideological, malicious or simply self-aggrandizing intent. It's stupid beyond the pale to think that you can stop something as simple as a book burning when a world full of trolls knows that it will piss off the muslims.
You might as well rage against nature for the horrible crime of the Tsunami.
The blame for the 7 deaths among the UN and NATO personnel in Kandahar lies squarely on the shoulders of the people who killed them. Not the book burning pastor. Not the people who supplied them their firearms and cudgels. Not the bullets. Guns and bookburnings don't kill people. People kill people.
Quote from: KRonn on April 03, 2011, 01:28:18 PM
Quote from: JonasSalk on April 03, 2011, 01:23:55 PM
Quote from: KRonn on April 03, 2011, 11:40:05 AMToo bad he can't be brought up on hate crimes or something.
Hate crime against a piece of literature? What next, fines and imprisonment for burning a copies of the Twilight books because they might offend fans of Twilight?
Hyperbole on my part. Don't get too bent out of shape over it. ;)
And come on.
"I was just joking."
"I was being sarcastic."
"It was an attempt at provoking debate."
Fuck you. You meant every goddamned word, and when they back fire on you, you back pedal like a French tank.
Quote from: Slargos on April 03, 2011, 01:59:25 PM
Quote from: KRonn on April 03, 2011, 01:28:18 PM
Quote from: JonasSalk on April 03, 2011, 01:23:55 PM
Quote from: KRonn on April 03, 2011, 11:40:05 AMToo bad he can't be brought up on hate crimes or something.
Hate crime against a piece of literature? What next, fines and imprisonment for burning a copies of the Twilight books because they might offend fans of Twilight?
Hyperbole on my part. Don't get too bent out of shape over it. ;)
And come on.
"I was just joking."
"I was being sarcastic."
"It was an attempt at provoking debate."
Fuck you. You meant every goddamned word, and when they back fire on you, you back pedal like a French tank.
Slargos, I mean exactly what I said. Read my first post. I blame the Muslims who did this, while expressing just annoyance at the preacher. Enough said.
Quote from: KRonn on April 03, 2011, 01:26:19 PM
That said, I still put the majority of blame on the backwards,
The
majority?
QuoteToo bad he can't be brought up on hate crimes or something.
Ah, yes, too damn bad that he is protected by
law.
QuoteI'm all in favor of US type freedom of speech/expression;
NO. YOU'RE NOT.
Admit it, you little hairy communist cunt: You'd love Euro-style "free" speech.
Wait burning Korans in the US will get UN employees killed abroad? I see millions of anti-UN conspiracy nuts across the US burning Korans.
Quote from: The Brain on April 03, 2011, 02:15:40 PM
Islam needs a makeover. An atomic makeover.
I find it comforting that no matter how much we might disagree about the little things, when it comes to the big picture we are as brothers. :hug:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 03, 2011, 01:55:27 PM
I think a gray area is introduced by the notion of "fighting words."
That's why that notion is such a dreadful one. It introduces a gray area where there should be none. Once you accept that any words can justify violence in response, you are abandoning the civilized concept of lawful use of force.
Quote from: The Brain on April 03, 2011, 04:50:51 AM
Quote from: Swedish UN fag"Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of offending culture, religion or traditions," de Mistura said.
It does in Florida, fag.
This guy was cheering on the Catholic church when they arrested Gallileo.
Quote from: JonasSalk on April 03, 2011, 01:22:30 PM
I should burn a Qur'an at my school for fun just to see what would happen.
I doubt they have Koran's in kindergarten.
Quote from: grumbler on April 03, 2011, 02:24:17 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 03, 2011, 01:55:27 PM
I think a gray area is introduced by the notion of "fighting words."
That's why that notion is such a dreadful one. It introduces a gray area where there should be none. Once you accept that any words can justify violence in response, you are abandoning the civilized concept of lawful use of force.
I think it's a good thing that the law recognizes that sometimes punching someone in the face is a valid form of conflict resolution.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 03, 2011, 05:29:47 PM
Quote from: JonasSalk on April 03, 2011, 01:22:30 PM
I should burn a Qur'an at my school for fun just to see what would happen.
I doubt they have Koran's in kindergarten.
I thought adults knew how to use apostrophes.
:huh: Why would you think Raz is an adult?
He thinks I'm a kid; I think he's a pseudo-adult. Glad to know we're both wrong and that our roles are actually reversed.
This whole situation is unfortunate, but it does highlight exactly why Mooselimbs are the imbecile morons they are as a culture, versus a single imbecile moron in Florida.
I just love how we're supposed to be tolerant of the most intolerant culture on the planet. As if that'll, like, make them like us.
WHAT PART OF SPILLING YOUR INFIDEL JEW BLOOD DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND
http://youtu.be/4HX5-ulcdXc
Islam is like a disease - a gangrene and we should amputate it from the face of the Earth.
G.
So what are your opinions of the guys who keep burning down Mosques in the US?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 03, 2011, 07:44:37 PM
This whole situation is unfortunate, but it does highlight exactly why Mooselimbs are the imbecile morons they are as a culture, versus a single imbecile moron in Florida.
I just love how we're supposed to be tolerant of the most intolerant culture on the planet. As if that'll, like, make them like us.
WHAT PART OF SPILLING YOUR INFIDEL JEW BLOOD DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND
Yeah, it drives me nuts when Muslims, or anyone else, claim that the West is intolerant, and need to show tolerance towards Islam! The Western style democracies, the most tolerant possible societies! In fact, Muslims hate us partly because of our tolerance for others, our openness. The term Great Satan refers to our open, free attitudes, which cause people to behave more as they want, rather than follow the strict tenets of conservative Islam.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 03, 2011, 10:54:06 PM
So what are your opinions of the guys who keep burning down Mosques in the US?
Links, please.
And while you're at it, go run the number of churches in the US that are targets of arson per year.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 04, 2011, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 03, 2011, 10:54:06 PM
So what are your opinions of the guys who keep burning down Mosques in the US?
Links, please.
And while you're at it, go run the number of churches in the US that are targets of arson per year.
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/11/29/after-mosque-arson-oregon-somalis-fear-retribution/
There you go.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-08-29-arson28_ST_N.htm
Here's a pre-Mosque burning.
Whoopdeefuckingdo. A mosque, and a construction site.
10 churches burned in Texas the first two months of 2010; 10 burned in a two-week span in Alabama in 2006.
Wake me up when there are 1,507 mosques burned down in a ten year span like the churches and Jewshacks of 1990-2000, you fucking toad.
One of the local mosques here, Masjid Al-Hedaya in Marietta, Georgia, was burned down. Cause? Arson.
Guy who did it? Devout Muslim from Gambia.
Oops.
Quote from: JonasSalk on April 05, 2011, 12:32:50 AM
One of the local mosques here, Masjid Al-Hedaya in Marietta, Georgia, was burned down. Cause? Arson.
Guy who did it? Devout Muslim from Gambia.
And an illegal alien at that. He was just doing the job we Americans are too lazy to do.
Quote from: KRonn on April 03, 2011, 01:26:19 PM
Damn, I realize that of course. But it's so frustrating sometimes what actions cause, like what this one guy did. He probably undermined much of the work that the US and others are trying to do in Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Muslim world.
This is a pretty bad slippery slope you are getting on here.
"US trying to get a good trade deal with China? Charge people who speak out against Chinese human rights abuses."
I dislike and oppose "blasphemy laws" but they are imo more justified than what you are proposing.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 04, 2011, 09:40:02 PM
the number of churches in the US that are targets of arson per year.
Not enough. <_<
On a more serious note, I think you guys are wrong in considering this kind of idiotic, violent response to be a Muslim or an Arab thing.
This kind of "dignity outrage" is quite common not just among Muslims, but a lot of shitty nations that consider themselves "downtrodden" (usually because they are poor and/or have lived under a dictator) - the same kind of tendency to overreact to perceived "insults" can be found in Poles, Hungarians, Russians, Balkantards etc.
It's just that the West is currently more prone to poke Muslims than Eastern-eurotards, but you should see people freaking out here when some inconsequential US newspaper writes about "Polish concentration camps" or something like that.
And Middle-Eastern / Central Asian cultures have a higher tolerance for violence in public life, hence their reactions are usually violent. We are more "civilized" so we send an official diplomatic protest when a satyrical niche newspaper calls a potato a potato. :bleeding:
Also, do you reconcile condemnation of Muslim violence in response to Koran burning with saying that you would not condemn a hypothetical violent response to Westboro Baptists picketing a soldier funeral?
Quote from: Grallon on April 03, 2011, 09:05:44 PM
Islam is like a disease - a gangrene and we should amputate it from the face of the Earth.
G.
You ghey are just sooooooo intolerant of people who want to kill you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn
Quote from: Martinus on April 05, 2011, 01:44:36 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 04, 2011, 09:40:02 PM
the number of churches in the US that are targets of arson per year.
Not enough. <_<
Just because the only place you're on your knees is a bus stop restroom doesn't mean you have to give shit about other places where people are on theirs.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 04, 2011, 10:13:35 PM
Whoopdeefuckingdo. A mosque, and a construction site.
10 churches burned in Texas the first two months of 2010; 10 burned in a two-week span in Alabama in 2006.
Wake me up when there are 1,507 mosques burned down in a ten year span like the churches and Jewshacks of 1990-2000, you fucking toad.
We'll have to wait till they shore up the numbers.
Man people in the West really hate freedom. I remember a time when being killed for insulting some religion was just " :huh: ". Now people blame the harmless speaker and let the murderous thugs off with a slap on the wrist. The West is taking it in the ass and liking it.
What are your feelings about this, Mr. Horse? Hmmmm... No Sir, I don't like it!
Quote from: Martinus on April 05, 2011, 01:57:18 AM
Also, do you reconcile condemnation of Muslim violence in response to Koran burning with saying that you would not condemn a hypothetical violent response to Westboro Baptists picketing a soldier funeral?
If someone wants to rotten egg the Westboro Baptist clowns, I wouldn't have a big problem with that.
There is a big difference in kind and in severity with killing a bunch of unconnected innocent people to make a point to some ass halfway around the world.
Quote from: Martinus on April 05, 2011, 01:57:18 AM
Also, do you reconcile condemnation of Muslim violence in response to Koran burning with saying that you would not condemn a hypothetical violent response to Westboro Baptists picketing a soldier funeral?
My gibberish-to-English translator makes this out as "Bar-bar-bar."
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 05, 2011, 11:10:25 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 05, 2011, 01:57:18 AM
Also, do you reconcile condemnation of Muslim violence in response to Koran burning with saying that you would not condemn a hypothetical violent response to Westboro Baptists picketing a soldier funeral?
If someone wants to rotten egg the Westboro Baptist clowns, I wouldn't have a big problem with that.
There is a big difference in kind and in severity with killing a bunch of unconnected innocent people to make a point to some ass halfway around the world.
It is despicable what the reaction of the Afghan Muslims were. This has made me think more strongly that we should just leave that place, abandoned it to the mad culture they so apparently desire, while the rest of the world continues to pass them by. Where before I was hoping that there were enough Afghans/Muslims there who wanted a better future, in place of the centuries old mind set and dogma so present now. Maybe there still is hope, but it's a long way off, and it's up to them to get the golden opportunity offered before it's too late.
Quote from: KRonn on April 05, 2011, 11:35:30 AM
It is despicable what the reaction of the Afghan Muslims were. This has made me think more strongly that we should just leave that place, abandoned it to the mad culture they so apparently desire, while the rest of the world continues to pass them by. Where before I was hoping that there were enough Afghans/Muslims there who wanted a better future, in place of the centuries old mind set and dogma so present now. Maybe there still is hope, but it's a long way off, and it's up to them to get the golden opportunity offered before it's too late.
We've tried that route. Didn't end well.
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Quote from: grumbler on April 05, 2011, 11:39:19 AM
We've tried that route. Didn't end well.
We tried not being involved in the Muslim world in 2001? News to me.
It doesn't mean that staying is the only option. We can just fuck up the government that fucks with us, like Taliban did, and leave the inhabitants to pick up the pieces and remember what happened when they fucked with us.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 05, 2011, 11:10:25 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 05, 2011, 01:57:18 AM
Also, do you reconcile condemnation of Muslim violence in response to Koran burning with saying that you would not condemn a hypothetical violent response to Westboro Baptists picketing a soldier funeral?
If someone wants to rotten egg the Westboro Baptist clowns, I wouldn't have a big problem with that.
There is a big difference in kind and in severity with killing a bunch of unconnected innocent people to make a point to some ass halfway around the world.
:yes:
Quote from: Valmy on April 05, 2011, 11:42:35 AM
We tried not being involved in the Muslim world in 2001? News to me.
Someone was arguing that we tried not being involved in the Muslim world in 2001? News to me. When you find out who that was, let me know.
Quote from: DGuller on April 05, 2011, 11:42:49 AM
It doesn't mean that staying is the only option. We can just fuck up the government that fucks with us, like Taliban did, and leave the inhabitants to pick up the pieces and remember what happened when they fucked with us.
Agreed. That's a language they understand quite well. What doesn't work is to "[abandon] it to the mad culture they so apparently desire."
Of course, there are alternatives that don't assume that everyone in the country apparently desires a "mad culture," but the alternative you suggest is certainly feasible.
Quote from: grumbler on April 05, 2011, 11:39:19 AM
Quote from: KRonn on April 05, 2011, 11:35:30 AM
It is despicable what the reaction of the Afghan Muslims were. This has made me think more strongly that we should just leave that place, abandoned it to the mad culture they so apparently desire, while the rest of the world continues to pass them by. Where before I was hoping that there were enough Afghans/Muslims there who wanted a better future, in place of the centuries old mind set and dogma so present now. Maybe there still is hope, but it's a long way off, and it's up to them to get the golden opportunity offered before it's too late.
We've tried that route. Didn't end well.
Agreed on that. That's another reason why I've been supportive of the involvement in Afghanistan. Rather than leave it a broken mess, susceptible to what ever radical type is the strongest to take over.
Quote from: DGuller on April 05, 2011, 11:42:49 AM
It doesn't mean that staying is the only option. We can just fuck up the government that fucks with us, like Taliban did, and leave the inhabitants to pick up the pieces and remember what happened when they fucked with us.
I doubt that really works unless you go to the kind of draconian levels that would never get support from the limp-wristed western public. Fuck up the governments of Somalia and Afghanistan? How? Kill the leaders? They're like Hydras. Destroy the infrastructure? There is none to destroy. Additionally the terrorism we're facing now may sometimes be state sponsored, but it is certainly far from state regulated. What does Al Qaeda care if you destroy the Taleban leadership?
No, reprisals really only work if you make it hurt so badly that even the zealots hesitate.
You'd probably need to decimate the population and pick up a completely random selection for heinous torture and make sure everyone knows what will happen to their families and friends if they fuck with the West.
I'm not saying I would have a problem with this policy, but I think things will have to progress a bit further before people in general will stomach it.
I propose a hearts and minds policy. Tear their hearts out and mind the blood so you don't get it on your nice shirt.
Quote from: The Brain on April 05, 2011, 03:08:56 PM
I propose a hearts and minds policy. Tear their hearts out and mind the blood so you don't get it on your nice shirt.
:lol: I like the jib of your cut.
Quote from: Slargos on April 05, 2011, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 05, 2011, 11:42:49 AM
It doesn't mean that staying is the only option. We can just fuck up the government that fucks with us, like Taliban did, and leave the inhabitants to pick up the pieces and remember what happened when they fucked with us.
I doubt that really works unless you go to the kind of draconian levels that would never get support from the limp-wristed western public. Fuck up the governments of Somalia and Afghanistan? How? Kill the leaders? They're like Hydras. Destroy the infrastructure? There is none to destroy. Additionally the terrorism we're facing now may sometimes be state sponsored, but it is certainly far from state regulated. What does Al Qaeda care if you destroy the Taleban leadership?
No, reprisals really only work if you make it hurt so badly that even the zealots hesitate.
You'd probably need to decimate the population and pick up a completely random selection for heinous torture and make sure everyone knows what will happen to their families and friends if they fuck with the West.
I'm not saying I would have a problem with this policy, but I think things will have to progress a bit further before people in general will stomach it.
reverse psychology is the answer here. Since these people hate the west they'll always do anything that is 180° the opposite of what we want. So instead of trying to establish a democracy there we go in give them what they want, but far more efficient and harsh than they ever could do themselves. As a result they'll create a liberal democracy just to spite our plans there. :p
Here's a suggestion for Afghanistan.
Round up every male in the country, neuter most of them and intern all in camps for several years. Give the tools to the females to rebuild the country. Muslim females *may* be able to learn democracy. The males are a lost cause, caught between tribal patriarchy and the death cult that is Islam.
G.
Not sure where this popular notion comes that women will be peaceful when they're in charge. Historically there hasn't been much difference between male and female rulers.
Quote from: Grallon on April 06, 2011, 11:15:38 AM
Here's a suggestion for Afghanistan.
Round up every male in the country, neuter most of them and intern all in camps for several years. Give the tools to the females to rebuild the country. Muslim females *may* be able to learn democracy. The males are a lost cause, caught between tribal patriarchy and the death cult that is Islam.
Sounds like a plan, Himmler. :)
Quote from: Caliga on April 06, 2011, 11:21:22 AM
Quote from: Grallon on April 06, 2011, 11:15:38 AM
Here's a suggestion for Afghanistan.
Round up every male in the country, neuter most of them and intern all in camps for several years. Give the tools to the females to rebuild the country. Muslim females *may* be able to learn democracy. The males are a lost cause, caught between tribal patriarchy and the death cult that is Islam.
Sounds like a plan, Himmler. :)
Yeah. A ludicrous plan.
If we're going to go ahead and play cultural engineering, might as well simply wipe them all out and replace them with less culturally corrupt peoples.
Quote from: Caliga on April 06, 2011, 11:21:22 AM
Sounds like a plan, Himmler. :)
:yes: Nothing much more fun on the entire forum than Grallon and Slargos trying to out-racist one another. :)
Quote from: grumbler on April 06, 2011, 11:33:25 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 06, 2011, 11:21:22 AM
Sounds like a plan, Himmler. :)
:yes: Nothing much more fun on the entire forum than Grallon and Slargos trying to out-racist one another. :)
Is Languish: Dieing? :hmm:
Quote from: Slargos on April 06, 2011, 11:28:28 AM
If we're going to go ahead and play cultural engineering, might as well simply wipe them all out and replace them with less culturally corrupt peoples.
*shrug* I was merely trying to spare sensibilities. Anyhow who would want that piece of mountainous backwater other than the barbarians already living in it?
G.
Quote from: Grallon on April 06, 2011, 11:54:15 AM
Quote from: Slargos on April 06, 2011, 11:28:28 AM
If we're going to go ahead and play cultural engineering, might as well simply wipe them all out and replace them with less culturally corrupt peoples.
*shrug* I was merely trying to spare sensibilities. Anyhow who would want that piece of mountainous backwater other than the barbarians already living in it?
G.
Hint: Trillions of $$ worth of unexploited mineral resources.
Quote from: Slargos on April 06, 2011, 11:35:34 AM
Is Languish: Dieing? :hmm:
No, but most of the world will be if one of us ever gets put in charge.
Quote from: DGuller on April 06, 2011, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: Slargos on April 06, 2011, 11:35:34 AM
Is Languish: Dieing? :hmm:
No, but most of the world will be if one of us ever gets put in charge.
Nukes can be wielded as precisely as a surgeon's scalpel.
Quote from: DGuller on April 06, 2011, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: Slargos on April 06, 2011, 11:35:34 AM
Is Languish: Dieing? :hmm:
No, but most of the world will be if one of us ever gets put in charge.
I would leave most of a remnant alive. :hmm:
Which Languishite currently holds the highest social/political rank?
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2011, 12:04:33 PM
Which Languishite currently holds the highest social/political rank?
Raz. :(
BB maybe. He's the only one who's had people put in gaol.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 06, 2011, 12:16:33 PM
BB maybe. He's the only one who's had people put in gaol.
Yeeeesssss... :shifty:
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2011, 12:04:33 PM
Which Languishite currently holds the highest social/political rank?
One of the Jewish laywers would be an obvious guess.
Quote from: DGuller on April 06, 2011, 12:26:29 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2011, 12:04:33 PM
Which Languishite currently holds the highest social/political rank?
One of the Jewish laywers would be an obvious guess.
:hmm:
Quote from: DGuller on April 06, 2011, 12:26:29 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2011, 12:04:33 PM
Which Languishite currently holds the highest social/political rank?
One of the Jewish laywers would be an obvious guess.
Is Languish: secretly controlled by the Elders of Zion?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 06, 2011, 12:16:33 PM
BB maybe. He's the only one who's had people put in gaol.
:Canuck:
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2011, 01:59:23 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 06, 2011, 12:26:29 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2011, 12:04:33 PM
Which Languishite currently holds the highest social/political rank?
One of the Jewish laywers would be an obvious guess.
Is Languish: secretly controlled by the Elders of Zion?
Secretly? No.
Quote from: grumbler on April 06, 2011, 02:35:14 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2011, 01:59:23 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 06, 2011, 12:26:29 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2011, 12:04:33 PM
Which Languishite currently holds the highest social/political rank?
One of the Jewish laywers would be an obvious guess.
Is Languish: secretly controlled by the Elders of Zion?
Secretly? No.
Dammit, beaten to the punch!
Minsky I think. He's a level 4 lawyer.