This one's a total mystery to me:
Do you tip when you get take out? How about when you get the kind of take-out where they bring it out to your car (curbside take-away or whatever). I usually don't tip with the former but feel obligated to provide something with the latter. I'm never sure how much is appropriate (because I'm not totally sure anything is) so the amount fluctuates wildly.
I know we have some former restaurant workers in our midst, any enlightenment on what the "right" thing is to do here? Are the wait staff that are on take-out duty paid with the "you'll get tips" assumption like the interior staff?
What do you do in these circumstances?
Well, my tipping is entirely circumstantial, and depends on a host of factors, from whether the service impressed me, or I have change, or I am paying with plastic.
But then again, in Europe/Poland the culture of tipping is not as robust as it is in the US, because here waiters are not expected to get a considerable part of their income from tips, so dunno.
I never ever tipped when getting take-away food in the US. I didn't have impression as if anybody expected me to do so either. :unsure: I paid for the food and there is no service in take-away.
I've never done curbside but I wouldn't tip. They're doing about as much work as the person at a drive through window.
Curbside is bullshit designed to make you feel obligated to tip; I'm perfectly fine with going inside to pick up the food.
This is why I don't patronize Sonic.
Something like Chinese takeout? Pizza? No tip. I know for a fact (at least in the ones ran legally) these people are not paid based on an assumption of getting tipped.
The curb-side takeaway is a different thing. I've only done it a few times and I've tipped only because about two years ago I asked about it on a different forum and some restaurant workers chimed in that it was expected that you still tip in that situation. The way they described it, it's still a decent amount of work for them. Honestly I can't imagine it'd be nearly as much work as a real table, I think the kitchen staff is doing 90% of the work in that scenario but I don't feel like it is my place to judge something like that. If it's expected, and if people who are making $2.50/hour because most of their take home is in the form of tips are the ones bringing it to me, I feel like it's a situation where I should tip.
I usually tip 20% as standard at a restaurant, I drop it down to 15% for the curb side.
Quote from: Caliga on April 12, 2009, 04:17:08 PM
This is why I don't patronize Sonic.
Sonic is the only good fast food in America.
My impression was that Vinnie was talking more about the chain full-service restaurants that do this (Applebee's, Outback, places like that), not places like Sonic.
Oh... well, I like Sonic, but I don't elect to go there because the way they operate annoys me.
Nope. Don't tip at Taco Bell either.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 12, 2009, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 12, 2009, 04:17:08 PM
This is why I don't patronize Sonic.
Sonic is the only good fast food in America.
My impression was that Vinnie was talking more about the chain full-service restaurants that do this (Applebee's, Outback, places like that), not places like Sonic.
I love Sonic (and adore the way they operate, they're the only genuinely convenient fast food chain I know), but yeah I was thinking of Outback, Tumbleweed, Applebee's, that kind of thing.
As an extravagant man, I always tip, everybody I meet, with the gems of wisdom that I create every time I speak. As for money, those take out shysters can eat a dick.
If I'm picking it up at a counter, no tip.
If someone's bringing it out to me curbside, just a little tip, but nothing to feel guilty about.*
If it's delivery, definitely.
*No curbside places in Maryland, though. Too many opportunities for robbery and drive-offs, so no Sonics. Fucking niggers ruin everything.
How much do you typically tip for delivery?
Quote from: PDH on April 12, 2009, 04:43:05 PM
As an extravagant man, I always tip, everybody I meet, with the gems of wisdom that I create every time I speak.
:unsure:
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 04:48:36 PM
How much do you typically tip for delivery?
For a $20 delivery, I'll tip an even $5. Those poor bastards are taking their lives in their hands in this town.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 12, 2009, 04:49:58 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 04:48:36 PM
How much do you typically tip for delivery?
For a $20 delivery, I'll tip an even $5. Those poor bastards are taking their lives in their hands in this town.
Damn, I'm cheap. I always assumed that delivery tip is a smaller percentage than a full service in a restaurant tip. I'd tip to a round figure that would fall between 10-15%.
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 04:48:36 PM
How much do you typically tip for delivery?
Enough to ensure they don't spit in your pizza next time you order.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 12, 2009, 05:02:45 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 04:48:36 PM
How much do you typically tip for delivery?
Enough to ensure they don't spit in your pizza next time you order.
No shit. I've always tipped so well, they'll deliver to me first. Hell, I've had such great relationships with my delivery guys in the past, they actually picked me up cigarettes on the way over first.
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 04:55:52 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 12, 2009, 04:49:58 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 04:48:36 PM
How much do you typically tip for delivery?
For a $20 delivery, I'll tip an even $5. Those poor bastards are taking their lives in their hands in this town.
Damn, I'm cheap. I always assumed that delivery tip is a smaller percentage than a full service in a restaurant tip. I'd tip to a round figure that would fall between 10-15%.
Yeah, for delivery I usually tip about 10% and then round up to the nearest dollar. Then again delivery people don't need to wear bullet proof vests around here, so there's no mark-up.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 12, 2009, 05:02:45 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 04:48:36 PM
How much do you typically tip for delivery?
Enough to ensure they don't spit in your pizza next time you order.
I usually order from Domino's, so spit is only going to improve it.
I give 20% to delivery people. They drove 15 minutes to get to my place, the waiter only walked 50 feet to my table.
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 05:06:05 PMI usually order from Domino's, so spit is only going to improve it.
Goddamn. Not only are you cheap, you've got shitty taste.
If the Sonic girl is cute, 4 or 5 bucks.
Pizza delivery fucks, usually none as I refuse to pay a gas fee and eat their shitty pizza.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 12, 2009, 05:02:45 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 04:48:36 PM
How much do you typically tip for delivery?
Enough to ensure they don't spit in your pizza next time you order.
See, this is the concern with the curbside thing. It isn't "do they deserve a tip," it's "how much do THEY think they deserve a tip and how hostile are they going to be about not getting one" which is why I ask about how they're paid.
Quote from: vinraith on April 12, 2009, 05:23:52 PM
See, this is the concern with the curbside thing. It isn't "do they deserve a tip," it's "how much do THEY think they deserve a tip and how hostile are they going to be about not getting one" which is why I ask about how they're paid.
That's why I despise the culture of tipping. Tips effectively become bribes to get a good service, with all the same numerous negative consequences.
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 05:40:42 PM
Quote from: vinraith on April 12, 2009, 05:23:52 PM
See, this is the concern with the curbside thing. It isn't "do they deserve a tip," it's "how much do THEY think they deserve a tip and how hostile are they going to be about not getting one" which is why I ask about how they're paid.
That's why I despise the culture of tipping. Tips effectively become bribes to get a good service, with all the same numerous negative consequences.
You're not wrong. Really, it's just bullshit that restaurants pay their wait staff a pittance on the grounds that the customers will make it up in "voluntary" donations. Ideally, tips would be for genuinely great service, but I don't blame wait staff for being hostile to non-tippers considering the way they're paid.
I'd go one step further and say that tips shouldn't be allowed at all. Once you allow the tips, you open the door to the messy situations we have now. If you're a good waitress, then a smart restaurant owner would consider you an asset, and compensate you accordingly, just like it works in any other field.
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 06:29:53 PM
I'd go one step further and say that tips shouldn't be allowed at all. Once you allow the tips, you open the door to the messy situations we have now. If you're a good waitress, then a smart restaurant owner would consider you an asset, and compensate you accordingly, just like it works in any other field.
Except that if you disallow tipping and that awesome waitress is already working at full capacity her awesomeness doesn't add anything to the bottom line so the owner has no incentive to increase her wages.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 12, 2009, 06:33:54 PM
Except that if you disallow tipping and that awesome waitress is already working at full capacity her awesomeness doesn't add anything to the bottom line so the owner has no incentive to increase her wages.
Keeping the clients happy is worth something to the bottom line.
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 06:29:53 PM
I'd go one step further and say that tips shouldn't be allowed at all. Once you allow the tips, you open the door to the messy situations we have now. If you're a good waitress, then a smart restaurant owner would consider you an asset, and compensate you accordingly, just like it works in any other field.
Sure, but that kind of thing doesn't happen very often. In reality good employees usually get shat on.
Quote from: DGuller on April 12, 2009, 06:36:03 PM
Keeping the clients happy is worth something to the bottom line.
OK, you're probably right. But you're still asking the manager, who has zero customer/waitress interaction, to make a guess about the quality of the service, and then to make another guess about the relationship of that service to the bottom line. As opposed to the customer, who has immediate and up close information about the quality of the service.
I tip 2 to 3 bucks to delivery drivers, and nothing when I pick up food. AFAIK, they have a different salary base than tipped staff, and therfore I don't feel obligated to leave anything. Sometimes those people give me dirty looks, or seem surprised after I sign the receipt and leave no tip, but meh.
I tip all the time and generously so that people do not hate Cambodians.
Quote from: Phillip V on April 12, 2009, 08:02:07 PM
I tip all the time and generously so that people do not hate Cambodians.
:ultra:
You fuckers should have thought about that before you harbored VC.
It is amazing how much people resent tipping (I'm basing that on how often these threads pop up).
I hardly think that wait staff are overpaid right now. And if we are either going to pay either in the form of a tip or through increased meal cost, we are better off paying through tips to keep our servers on their toes.
If you are unsure what to tip in a certain situation, rather than wildly guessing and feeling awkward about the situation, why not ask what is expected at the restaurant?
Quote from: alfred russel on April 12, 2009, 09:59:02 PM
It is amazing how much people resent tipping (I'm basing that on how often these threads pop up).
I hardly think that wait staff are overpaid right now. And if we are either going to pay either in the form of a tip or through increased meal cost, we are better off paying through tips to keep our servers on their toes.
If you are unsure what to tip in a certain situation, rather than wildly guessing and feeling awkward about the situation, why not ask what is expected at the restaurant?
It's not the amounts involved that cause resentment, it's the fact that it's bribery. The implied threat behind the tipping is the issue. No one likes being threatened, even if the threats can be dealt with easily.
My rule of thumb with tipping is if anybody touched it other than food prep and cashier. If a waiter/waitress or delivery person was involved, I tip.
I actually tip high for pizza places after finding out that they make peanuts and most are still expected to pay for their own gas, plus the difference in insurance for using their own vehicle for delivery.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 12, 2009, 09:59:02 PM
I hardly think that wait staff are overpaid right now. And if we are either going to pay either in the form of a tip or through increased meal cost, we are better off paying through tips to keep our servers on their toes.
Since their employer is forced to make up the difference between their wage plus tips and the federal minimum wage, I don't see the point.
Quote from: vinraith on April 12, 2009, 06:50:09 PMSure, but that kind of thing doesn't happen very often. In reality good employees usually get shat on.
That varies drastically depending on the industry, the employee's role, and indeed the individual business.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 12, 2009, 09:59:02 PM
It is amazing how much people resent tipping (I'm basing that on how often these threads pop up).
Languish has an extremely high proportion of misanthropes. Tipping isn't an issue in the real world to the vast majority of people.
I certainly don't mind tipping, but the average amount generally considered acceptable appears to be slowly creeping upwards. When I was a teen, 10% was considered average, then it was 15%, and now some people are tipping 20% ...
Generally, I tip if it's the kind of restaurant you would normally sit down in and have a meal like Outback or whatever, yeah.
Quote from: DGuller on April 13, 2009, 01:20:04 AM
It's not the amounts involved that cause resentment, it's the fact that it's bribery. The implied threat behind the tipping is the issue. No one likes being threatened, even if the threats can be dealt with easily.
:huh:
Quote from: DGuller on April 13, 2009, 01:20:04 AM
It's not the amounts involved that cause resentment, it's the fact that it's bribery. The implied threat behind the tipping is the issue. No one likes being threatened, even if the threats can be dealt with easily.
You've got to be joking.
Quote from: vonmoltke on April 13, 2009, 07:24:51 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 12, 2009, 09:59:02 PM
I hardly think that wait staff are overpaid right now. And if we are either going to pay either in the form of a tip or through increased meal cost, we are better off paying through tips to keep our servers on their toes.
Since their employer is forced to make up the difference between their wage plus tips and the federal minimum wage, I don't see the point.
Of tipping? I expect that most waiters do much better than minimum wage, which is probably why you have a better grade of employee at decent restaurants than at McDonald's.
Quote from: DGuller on April 13, 2009, 01:20:04 AM
It's not the amounts involved that cause resentment, it's the fact that it's bribery. The implied threat behind the tipping is the issue. No one likes being threatened, even if the threats can be dealt with easily.
I guess it is a bribe, in the same way I have to bribe Target to give me a pair of socks. Target has a sign in the front that if I don't pay I will be prosecuted, whereas if I don't tip, a restaurant may turn away my business next time.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 13, 2009, 06:36:34 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 13, 2009, 01:20:04 AM
It's not the amounts involved that cause resentment, it's the fact that it's bribery. The implied threat behind the tipping is the issue. No one likes being threatened, even if the threats can be dealt with easily.
I guess it is a bribe, in the same way I have to bribe Target to give me a pair of socks. Target has a sign in the front that if I don't pay I will be prosecuted, whereas if I don't tip, a restaurant may turn away my business next time.
He's talking about the tendency of some wait staff to... extract biological retribution against people that don't tip to their satisfaction.
In which case, if I find out I've been the victim of Tipping Rage, I extract bloody vengeance by getting their ass fired.
Quote from: vonmoltke on April 13, 2009, 07:24:51 AMSince their employer is forced to make up the difference between their wage plus tips and the federal minimum wage, I don't see the point.
Nobody's
forced to come up with the difference between federal minimum wage and the cost of living for a given area, that's the point.
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 13, 2009, 08:30:28 PM
In which case, if I find out I've been the victim of Tipping Rage, I extract bloody vengeance by getting their ass fired.
Of course, but then again if it were easy to detect these people would have been weeded out of the business a long time ago.
Quote from: vinraith on April 13, 2009, 08:24:05 PM
He's talking about the tendency of some wait staff to... extract biological retribution against people that don't tip to their satisfaction.
I'm sure there are people that spit in food because they don't like their tip, or because they don't like overweight people, minorities, blondes, or just being at work that day. Considering that the tip is usually given after the opportunity to spit has passed, I'd be much more concerned about a spitting incident for ordering something complicated that isn't on the menu.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 13, 2009, 08:38:04 PM
Quote from: vinraith on April 13, 2009, 08:24:05 PM
He's talking about the tendency of some wait staff to... extract biological retribution against people that don't tip to their satisfaction.
I'm sure there are people that spit in food because they don't like their tip, or because they don't like overweight people, minorities, blondes, or just being at work that day. Considering that the tip is usually given after the opportunity to spit has passed, I'd be much more concerned about a spitting incident for ordering something complicated that isn't on the menu.
Obviously this is principally an issue at places you frequent, not restaurants you encounter while traveling.
Quote from: vinraith on April 13, 2009, 08:35:10 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 13, 2009, 08:30:28 PM
In which case, if I find out I've been the victim of Tipping Rage, I extract bloody vengeance by getting their ass fired.
Of course, but then again if it were easy to detect these people would have been weeded out of the business a long time ago.
Maybe they are. Excluding stories on television, neither a current nor former waiter/waitress has ever told me that he/she spit in someone's food.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 13, 2009, 08:40:38 PM
Quote from: vinraith on April 13, 2009, 08:35:10 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 13, 2009, 08:30:28 PM
In which case, if I find out I've been the victim of Tipping Rage, I extract bloody vengeance by getting their ass fired.
Of course, but then again if it were easy to detect these people would have been weeded out of the business a long time ago.
Maybe they are. Excluding stories on television, neither a current nor former waiter/waitress has ever told me that he/she spit in someone's food.
I don't claim to know one way or another about the issue, I'm just clarifying that it's what DG is talking about when he refers to "bribery."
Quote from: alfred russel on April 13, 2009, 06:30:49 PM
Of tipping? I expect that most waiters do much better than minimum wage, which is probably why you have a better grade of employee at decent restaurants than at McDonald's.
No, I don't see the point of expecting a certain percentage almost regardless of service.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 13, 2009, 08:31:10 PM
Quote from: vonmoltke on April 13, 2009, 07:24:51 AMSince their employer is forced to make up the difference between their wage plus tips and the federal minimum wage, I don't see the point.
Nobody's forced to come up with the difference between federal minimum wage and the cost of living for a given area, that's the point.
That's true of any job.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 13, 2009, 08:40:38 PM
Quote from: vinraith on April 13, 2009, 08:35:10 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 13, 2009, 08:30:28 PM
In which case, if I find out I've been the victim of Tipping Rage, I extract bloody vengeance by getting their ass fired.
Of course, but then again if it were easy to detect these people would have been weeded out of the business a long time ago.
Maybe they are. Excluding stories on television, neither a current nor former waiter/waitress has ever told me that he/she spit in someone's food.
I worked in a McDonalds for 5-6 months when I was a 17 and I never saw anything like that.
Quote from: Caliga on April 12, 2009, 04:17:08 PM
This is why I don't patronize Sonic.
Lol, I've never tipped the Sonic carhops.
Unless I was drunk and the girl is hot. ;)
Quote from: vinraith on April 13, 2009, 08:24:05 PM
He's talking about the tendency of some wait staff to... extract biological retribution against people that don't tip to their satisfaction.
I thought that would be too obvious to spell out, but thanks for helping when it turned out otherwise.
Yes, I was of course talking about a not-so-legal but hard-to-detect retribution against those considered to be bad tippers. It could be anything from just giving intentionally terrible service, to something clearly illegal. Incidentally, those are exactly the same consequences that await those who don't bribe when bribes are expected (something I'm very familiar with from my former country).
I tip because my wife makes me to.
If it were for me, I wouldn't tip nobody.
If a waiter wants to make money, should get a real job.
Quote from: Siege on April 13, 2009, 10:35:53 PM
I tip because my wife makes me to.
If it were for me, I wouldn't tip nobody.
If a waiter wants to make money, should get a real job.
that's because you're a cheap ass kike.
Quote from: Fireblade on April 13, 2009, 10:38:34 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 13, 2009, 10:35:53 PM
I tip because my wife makes me to.
If it were for me, I wouldn't tip nobody.
If a waiter wants to make money, should get a real job.
that's because you're a cheap ass kike.
Nope, I don't mind paying for services rendered.
Paying tips looks to me like extortion.
Quote from: Siege on April 13, 2009, 10:45:05 PMNope, I don't mind paying for services rendered.
Paying tips looks to me like extortion.
uhhhh but the waiter DID render a service. Do you think your food teleports to your table, or the cooks telepathically know what you want?
Maybe this is how things work in Israel, I dunno.
I usually tell delivery guys to keep the change - £20 on an £18 delivery, for example, or bung 'em a couple of quid if it's nearer a round sum. I don't stress about it if I don't have the change or can't afford any extra.
Quote from: Brazen on April 14, 2009, 05:22:02 AM
I usually tell delivery guys to keep the change - £20 on an £18 delivery, for example, or bung 'em a couple of quid if it's nearer a round sum. I don't stress about it if I don't have the change or can't afford any extra.
:thumbsup:
I dunno, tipping always seemed to me to be something in the nature of a social convention rather than extortion - unless something is badly out of wack, you tip for service at a restaurant. It isn't written on the bill but it might as well be. I never for a second even considered that the waiter would spit in my food if I don't tip - unless it is a place I go every day, they'd have to have the memory of a vengeful elephant to remember my lack of tip, for one thing, since they would only find out I didn't tip after the meal was over (and for another, I'd only not tip if the service was shit, and if so I'd probably not be back).
What I find slightly questionable is the slow upward creep over time of what is expected for average service.
I only tip chicks.
Quote from: vonmoltke on April 13, 2009, 09:14:59 PM
No, I don't see the point of expecting a certain percentage almost regardless of service.
The percentage I give varies by service.
Quote from: Malthus on April 14, 2009, 08:08:23 AM
I dunno, tipping always seemed to me to be something in the nature of a social convention rather than extortion - unless something is badly out of wack, you tip for service at a restaurant. It isn't written on the bill but it might as well be. I never for a second even considered that the waiter would spit in my food if I don't tip - unless it is a place I go every day, they'd have to have the memory of a vengeful elephant to remember my lack of tip, for one thing, since they would only find out I didn't tip after the meal was over (and for another, I'd only not tip if the service was shit, and if so I'd probably not be back).
Agree with all of this. :hug:
Quote from: Siege on April 13, 2009, 10:35:53 PM
I tip because my wife makes me to.
If it were for me, I wouldn't tip nobody.
If a waiter wants to make money, should get a real job.
:lol: :lol: Way to represent, Siegy.