Polish president Lech Kaczynski's plane crashes on approach to Smolensk.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6390K120100410 (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6390K120100410)
87 dead, stay classy Tamas, stay classy.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2010, 02:49:23 AM
87 dead, stay classy Tamas, stay classy.
We dont know if they died yet :rolleyes:
Edit: oh wait, no, we do. Well at least they did not die completely in vain if that douchebag went with them.
QuoteA plane carrying Polish President Lech Kaczynski has crashed near a Russian airport, officials say.
Russian media reported that 87 people were killed in the crash, but it is not yet known if anyone survived.
The plane was reportedly heading to an airport in the western city of Smolensk when it crashed.
Mr Kaczynski was due to visit Smolensk to mark the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre, when Soviet troops killed thousands of Poles.
The Russian emergencies ministry told Itar-Tass news agency the plane crashed at 1056 Moscow time (0656 GMT).
Ministry spokeswoman Irina Andrianova said it had been flying from Moscow to Smolensk, but had no details on the identities of those killed.
The Polish Foreign Ministry said the president and his wife were aboard the plane, according to the Associated Press news agency.
:( Fuck you, Martinus and all the conservative-hating Polish gay society you represent.
'Potato Splash' thread beat ya to it
RIP Poles. :(
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 10, 2010, 03:08:36 AM
'Potato Splash' thread beat ya to it
I won't comment in a thread with that name. :mad:
RIP. :(
Looks like it several other senior government figures were onboard.
Hmm...I wonder if it was sabotaged? :hmm:
:lol:
Oh and my condolences on the other 86 people who went with him.
Yeah, RIP, 86 Poles. :(
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 10, 2010, 03:16:10 AM
Hmm...I wonder if it was sabotaged? :hmm:
No, Russia will deal with Ukraine first before going for Poland so no need to stear shit up just yet.
However we are lucky that the twin potato is not in office anymore, since the Polish army would already be massing on the border and Martinus would be pushed into service to clean latrines.
Hmm... :hmm:
It's a historical irony that this happened on the way to Katyn...
QuotePolish President's Plane Crashes in Russia; 87 Dead
By ELLEN BARRY and CLIFFORD J. LEVY
MOSCOW — A plane carrying the Polish president, Lech Kaczynski, and his wife crashed in western Russia on Saturday morning, and there were no survivors, according to Russia media.
Officials did not have immediately information on the identities of the dead.
A spokeswoman for the emergency situations ministry said on Russian television that the plane, a Tupolev 154, crashed as it was landing in Smolensk, and 87 people on board had died.
Mr. Kaczynski had been due in western Russia to commemorate the anniversary of the murder of thousands of Polish officers by the Soviet Union at the beginning of World War II.
The ceremonies were to be held at a site in the Katyn forest close to Smolensk, where 70 years ago members of the Soviet secret police executed more than 20,000 Polish officers captured after the Soviet Army invaded Poland in 1939.
HOLY SHIT.
Holy shit. I learned it from here. :huh:
The Russians were confused and thought it was a reenactment. :(
Also, please merge this thread with the other one.
Holy shit. A lot of other key people died too:
First Lady
Socialdemocrat Presidential candidate
Last Polish President-in-Exile
Chief of Staff
Ombudsman
Governor of the National Bank of Poland
:huh:
Presidents and Plane Crashes always make me suspicious.
(Lin Biao (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Biao), Cyprien Ntaryamira (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprien_Ntaryamira) and Juvénal Habyarimana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juv%C3%A9nal_Habyarimana))
That's a sizeable chunk of Poland's government. Conspiracy theorists are probably already buzzing. Bad that it happened in Russia, worse that it happened at Smolensk (where a ton of battles between Poland and Russia happened), and awful that it happened on a trip to commemorate Katyn.
Apparently 132 people were on board.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36352097/ns/world_news-europe/
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 03:59:13 AM
Holy shit. A lot of other key people died too:
First Lady
Socialdemocrat Presidential candidate
Last Polish President-in-Exile
Chief of Staff
Ombudsman
Governor of the National Bank of Poland
:huh:
Cui bono?
RIP Poles. :(
The ruling party (Civil Platform/PO), easily.
First of all, most of the deadies were appointees of PiS from the time the other twin was the Prime Minister (and couldn't be removed by the current government due to the fixed office term). They were loyal to PiS and had some conflicts with the current government.
Secondly, with the Presidential elections planned for this autumn, the only real candidates were the sitting President (now dead), and the Speaker of Seym from the Civic Platform, Mr Komorowski (the social democrat guy who also died in the crash may have gained about 10% of votes). Komorowski was a clear favourite but it could have turned differently. Now, as the Speaker, he is the constitutional "President-in-absentia" until the elections, so this pretty much makes him a shoe-in.
The toll is up to 132 according to the latest reports.
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 04:15:28 AM
The ruling party (Civil Platform/PO), easily.
First of all, most of the deadies were appointees of PiS from the time the other twin was the Prime Minister (and couldn't be removed by the current government due to the fixed office term). They were loyal to PiS and had some conflicts with the current government.
Secondly, with the Presidential elections planned for this autumn, the only real candidates were the sitting President (now dead), and the Speaker of Seym from the Civic Platform, Mr Komorowski (the social democrat guy who also died in the crash may have gained about 10% of votes). Komorowski was a clear favourite but it could have turned differently. Now, as the Speaker, he is the constitutional "President-in-absentia" until the elections, so this pretty much makes him a shoe-in.
So Gloucester will be Lord Protector? I fear our happiness is at the height.
Also 5 generals and one admiral.
:ph34r:
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 04:20:57 AM
Also 5 generals and one admiral.
:ph34r:
Katyn II. :bleeding:
Was this a Polish government plane?
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 10, 2010, 04:23:56 AM
Was this a Polish government plane?
Yeah. It was the Presidential plane. The President was giving a lift to politicians etc. who were attending the Katyn events in Russia. This plane had mostly PiS people, socialdemocrats, clergy and military guys. The ruling party's politicians went on the prime minister's plane. :secret: :ph34r:
Quote from: Alexandru H. on April 10, 2010, 03:07:37 AM
:( Fuck you, Martinus and all the conservative-hating Polish gay society you represent.
I actually kinda liked him, though thought he was not cut out for his job. It's still a tragedy, not to mention a lot of politicians I actually supported died too.
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 04:28:46 AM
Quote from: Alexandru H. on April 10, 2010, 03:07:37 AM
:( Fuck you, Martinus and all the conservative-hating Polish gay society you represent.
I actually kinda liked him, though thought he was not cut out for his job. It's still a tragedy, not to mention a lot of politicians I actually supported died too.
Ok, I forgive you. Frankly, I'm in no mood to be aggressive today, one of my favourite conservative european politicians has died.:(
Our news outlets say that the twin brother of Lech, Jaroslaw, was also in the plane. Is this true?
Quote from: Alexandru H. on April 10, 2010, 04:41:20 AM
Our news outlets say that the twin brother of Lech, Jaroslaw, was also in the plane. Is this true?
He is not on the list that I have.
The full list I have is:
President and First Lady
Last "president-in-exile"
Three vice-speakers of the Parliament
Chief and Vice-Chief of President's Bureau
Chief of the National Security Bureau
Seven secretaries of state
Chief of diplomatic protocol
Chief of Staff (Military)
14 MPs
Polish ambassador to Russia
Ombudsman
National Bank Governor
President of the National Remembrance Institute (sorta Polish equivalent of the Gauck Institute in Germany)
Director of the Office for Veterans and the Oppressed
10 members of the clergy of various religions
General Commander of Operational Forces
General Commander of Air Forces
General Commander of Land Forces
General Commander of Special Forces
Admiral Commander of Naval Forces
General Commander of Warsaw Garrison
and a bunch of private people.
Seriously, this is pretty damn stupid. Our fucking lawfirm has a rule that more than two partners shouldn't travel on the same plane, ffs. :bleeding:
So Marty, basically this solved a lot of the governing party's problems? :tinfoil:
Is that the most important Polish military leadership? :glare:
Quote from: Tamas on April 10, 2010, 04:54:47 AM
So Marty, basically this solved a lot of the governing party's problems? :tinfoil:
Yeah. Essentially everybody who was in any position of power and was hindering the government is dead.
Quote from: Alexandru H. on April 10, 2010, 04:55:25 AM
Is that the most important Polish military leadership? :glare:
I am not very familiar with the leadership structure, but it looks like it.
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 04:49:58 AM
The full list I have is:
President and First Lady
Last "president-in-exile"
Three vice-speakers of the Parliament
Chief and Vice-Chief of President's Bureau
Chief of the National Security Bureau
Seven secretaries of state
Chief of diplomatic protocol
Chief of Staff (Military)
14 MPs
Polish ambassador to Russia
Ombudsman
National Bank Governor
President of the National Remembrance Institute (sorta Polish equivalent of the Gauck Institute in Germany)
Director of the Office for Veterans and the Oppressed
10 members of the clergy of various religions
General Commander of Operational Forces
General Commander of Air Forces
General Commander of Land Forces
General Commander of Special Forces
Admiral Commander of Naval Forces
General Commander of Warsaw Garrison
and a bunch of private people.
Seriously, this is pretty damn stupid. Our fucking lawfirm has a rule that more than two partners shouldn't travel on the same plane, ffs. :bleeding:
Next time book 2 planes? :huh:
Anyway, apparently it seems like these were weather conditions and the fact that Russians apparently build airports in the middle of a fucking forest, than the plane's technical state.
QuoteThe crash occurred in foggy conditions (500m visibility without instrument landing system) about 1.5km from the airport, about 300–400 metres off the landing path,[8] after the pilots attempted a go-around.[9] The airport was closed because of thick fog and the pilot was offered a choice of landing instead in either Moscow or Minsk, however he decided to continue with the original flight plan and the crash occurred on the fourth approach after three failed attempts.[10][11] The cause of the crash was initially attributed to crew error.[12][13] Pilot was offered landing in the Sheremetyevo International Airport or Minsk International Airport but he did not accept the proposal.[14]
Must....not...make.....Polak....joke....
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 05:33:47 AM
Anyway, apparently it seems like these were weather conditions and the fact that Russians apparently build airports in the middle of a fucking forest,
:rolleyes: Yeah and Katyn I was a collective case of the sniffles. Wake up people.
The best joke so far was made by Zanza, but then he deleted the post before I could have LOLed. :P
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 05:40:57 AM
The best joke so far was made by Zanza, but then he deleted the post before I could have LOLed. :P
If you need volunteers in an anti-Russian war, I'll be there for Poland... :ph34r:
Quote from: Alexandru H. on April 10, 2010, 05:42:04 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 05:40:57 AM
The best joke so far was made by Zanza, but then he deleted the post before I could have LOLed. :P
If you need volunteers in an anti-Russian war, I'll be there for Poland... :ph34r:
<_<
Should have figure'd you'd throw your lot in with the Papists.
Norwegian News is reporting that Vladimir Putin will personally lead the Accident Inquiry. I think this is russian for "lol we killed UR president whachagonnadoabout it? kthnxby"
A Russian involvement is quite unlikely.
Quote from: Alexandru H. on April 10, 2010, 05:48:12 AM
A Russian involvement is quite unlikely.
A planeload of the Polish government on the way to rub Katyn in their faces? I wouldn't put it past any of those fuckers. Remember, these Russians whack journalists, for fuck's sake.
Heh, "Potato Splash". I wonder if that was the FSB code name for the operation.
TATER DOWN TATER DOWN
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 10, 2010, 05:55:05 AM
Quote from: Alexandru H. on April 10, 2010, 05:48:12 AM
A Russian involvement is quite unlikely.
A planeload of the Polish government on the way to rub Katyn in their faces? I wouldn't put it past any of those fuckers. Remember, these Russians whack journalists, for fuck's sake.
Too much exposure: Russian plane, Russian airspace, Russian airport, Russian massacre... too obvious... Besides, Putin already condemned the Katyn tragedy several days ago in a historical speech.
Lech was anti-russian but not pro-west. He actually was the main force behind the refusal to host the NATO anti-air shield. From the point of view of a Russian official, he was a solid choice for a country of such importance as Poland. I can blame the ruskies of many things, but I can't see how they would think that this would be a perfect chance for a political assasination.
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 04:27:23 AM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 10, 2010, 04:23:56 AM
Was this a Polish government plane?
Yeah. It was the Presidential plane.
I guess they forgot to wind up the rubber band enough times. :(
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:D
Quote from: Alexandru H. on April 10, 2010, 06:00:05 AM
Too much exposure: Russian plane, Russian airspace, Russian airport, Russian massacre... too obvious... Besides, Putin already condemned the Katyn tragedy several days ago in a historical speech.
Lech was anti-russian but not pro-west. He actually was the main force behind the refusal to host the NATO anti-air shield. From the point of view of a Russian official, he was a solid choice for a country of such importance as Poland. I can blame the ruskies of many things, but I can't see how they would think that this would be a perfect chance for a political assasination.
You got it wrong, he was very pro-shield and generally extremely anti-Russian.
QuoteObituary: Lech Kaczynski
Polish President Lech Kaczynski was a controversial figure on the world stage but his right-wing stance on many issues found ready reception among many Poles, especially traditionalist and rural voters.
Throughout his political career, he was not afraid to appeal to populist sentiments. As mayor of Warsaw, he twice banned gay parades and spoke in support of reintroducing the death penalty.
He was elected as Poland's president in 2005 as candidate of the Law and Justice Party.
During the campaign, Mr Kaczynski insisted Poles needed a president who would stand up for their interests.
He said post-communist Poland, often called the "Third Republic", needed radical transformation into a "Fourth Republic", based on social justice and a strong state.
The Law and Justice party, which stresses the traditional values of the Roman Catholic Church, was founded by Mr Kaczynski and his twin brother, Jaroslaw, in 2001.
But they had already played an important role in shaping Poland's post-Communist identity. In the 1990 presidential election, they were key players in securing the victory of the Solidarity leader Lech Walesa.
Kaczynskis in charge
Lech Kaczynski, who was born in 1949, had followed his brother into the anti-government movement in the late 1970s and served as an adviser to the strike committee at the Gdansk shipyard during the August 1980 Solidarity-led protests.
But the brothers found themselves outside mainstream politics in the early 1990s after falling out with President Walesa.
LECH KACZYNSKI
Born in Warsaw in 1949
Arrested under martial law in 1981
Elected Warsaw Mayor in 2002
Elected president in October 2005
The relationship between the one-time allies in the fight against Communism soured further in recent years. In 2009, Mr Walesa sued President Kaczynski for alleging that he had actually spied for the Communist secret service in the 1970s.
In the wake of the 2005 election, Poland had two Kaczynskis holding the reins of power - Lech as president and, from 2006, Jaroslaw as prime minister.
Since 2007, however, President Kaczynski had to work with Donald Tusk, who was his defeated rival in the presidential poll two years earlier.
He asked Mr Tusk to form a government after the victory of his centre-right Civic Platform in elections in October 2007.
Under the Polish constitution, the president has fewer powers than the prime minister, but has a significant say in foreign policy.
It was at time a difficult relationship. Mr Kaczynski was a critic of Mr Tusk's liberal economic policies and often vetoed the government's bills.
In retrospect, the Kaczynski twins were perhaps destined to be prominent - on whatever stage. At the age of 12, they shot to fame as stars in the 1962 film "Two boys who stole the moon".
Their father was a World War II resistance fighter and it was from his tales of Polish heroism that Mr Kaczynski developed his keen sense of Polish nationalism.
Mr Kaczynski, 60, was married with one daughter.
Not my kind of President, but still would have preferred to see him voted out instead of go like this. Despite this I have had a lot of sympathy for him - his bio is not unlike that of my parents, and living most of your life under communism fucks people up.
Quote from: Sahib on April 10, 2010, 06:15:20 AM
Quote from: Alexandru H. on April 10, 2010, 06:00:05 AM
Too much exposure: Russian plane, Russian airspace, Russian airport, Russian massacre... too obvious... Besides, Putin already condemned the Katyn tragedy several days ago in a historical speech.
Lech was anti-russian but not pro-west. He actually was the main force behind the refusal to host the NATO anti-air shield. From the point of view of a Russian official, he was a solid choice for a country of such importance as Poland. I can blame the ruskies of many things, but I can't see how they would think that this would be a perfect chance for a political assasination.
You got it wrong, he was very pro-shield and generally extremely anti-Russian.
Yeah, my bad... so who was anti-shield in Poland?
I predict his twin will be the next elected president of Poland riding on a wave of sympathy for the old president and his party.
Edit: during our US shield negotiations a few anti-shield papers explained that we're US slaves and that Poland, through its president, is not keen on seeing the US place an aerial umbrella all over the Polish soil. So they lied... :lmfao:
What if the airplane Lech was actually his brother? Lech is responsible for the accident as this tragedy would make him a shoe-in for the next elections (riding on popular support), plus he got rid of his brother and wife, while managing to create a public turmoil in Poland and the world regarding the Katyn deaths.
Quote from: PJL on April 10, 2010, 06:37:16 AM
I predict his twin will be the next elected president of Poland riding on a wave of sympathy for the old president and his party.
Highly unlikely.
First of all, despite the dead twin being widely disliked, he was still considered the "better twin" of the two - Jaroslaw is much more divisive and obnoxious.
Second, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually had a breakdown over this.
I think the best political move for PiS would be for Jaroslaw to "retire" as grief-stricken and put some rare popular politician from his party (I can only think of Ziobro, who was the "tough sheriff" attorney general in his government) as a Presidential candidate.
OK, I know this is important (and for Poland, tragic) news, but do we really have to have three threads related to it?
Quote from: Agelastus on April 10, 2010, 07:26:12 AM
OK, I know this is important (and for Poland, tragic) news, but do we really have to have three threads related to it?
We've had more threads on the shaving of balls. It's fine.
Was that the one with a twin?
G.
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 04:49:58 AM
Seriously, this is pretty damn stupid.
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:yes:
:ph34r:
Well, that took the pis out of Polish politics in a hurry.
Quote from: PDH on April 10, 2010, 09:30:35 AM
Well, that took the pis out of Polish politics in a hurry.
I am not familiar with the exact situation, but such a tragedy could actually improve PiS' standings. New leadership and a topic that would bring tears and pity votes...
Polish Prime Minister announced he is going to fly to the site of the crash to investigate. :frusty:
In other news, the Russian President is going to send a televised speech to Polish people.
My guess on the opening words:
"People of Poland. Resistance is futile."
4th Partition, here we go! Germans in Silesia and Danzig by the end of the weekend! :yeah:
Quote from: Alexandru H. on April 10, 2010, 09:47:06 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 10, 2010, 09:30:35 AM
Well, that took the pis out of Polish politics in a hurry.
I am not familiar with the exact situation, but such a tragedy could actually improve PiS' standings. New leadership and a topic that would bring tears and pity votes...
I don't think so. First of all, unless Jaroslaw (the other twin, who is the leader of the party and was the "bad cop" to Lech's "good cop") retires, there will be no change of leadership and he is pretty much unelectable (he has a very "hard core" electorate, which guarantees he will always be at least second when it comes to Parliamentary elections, but he is so hated by everybody else, he won't ever get majority required to win Presidential elections).
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 09:53:03 AM
Polish Prime Minister announced he is going to fly to the site of the crash to investigate. :frusty:
A 747 recently crashed in a cemetery in Poland.
Polish officials have so far retrieved 4000 bodies.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 10, 2010, 10:03:25 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 09:53:03 AM
Polish Prime Minister announced he is going to fly to the site of the crash to investigate. :frusty:
A 747 recently crashed in a cemetery in Poland.
Polish officials have so far retrieved 4000 bodies.
:XD:
I'm pretty sure this was the fastest this board has given in to gallows humor during a tragedy, btw. The fact that it was Poles affected probably helped a whole lot.
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 09:53:03 AM
Polish Prime Minister announced he is going to fly to the site of the crash to investigate. :frusty:
With the remains of the Polish government, I presume?
Quote from: Queequeg on April 10, 2010, 10:07:45 AM
I'm pretty sure this was the fastest this board has given in to gallows humor during a tragedy, btw. The fact that it was Poles affected probably helped a whole lot.
I've seen faster.
The worst thing about this tragedy is that the irony of it all is so obvious that it kind of cramps your style in making a joke. Good luck trying to think of a joke about the Polish elite dying in Russia again that wasn't already obvious to everyone who first read this story.
Quote from: DGuller on April 10, 2010, 10:14:32 AM
The worst thing about this tragedy is that the irony of it all is so obvious that it kind of cramps your style in making a joke. Good luck trying to think of a joke about the Polish elite dying in Russia again that wasn't already obvious to everyone who first read this story.
Did you hear about the Polish Admiral who wanted to be buried at sea when he died?
Five sailors died digging his grave.
Quote from: DGuller on April 10, 2010, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 09:53:03 AM
Polish Prime Minister announced he is going to fly to the site of the crash to investigate. :frusty:
With the remains of the Polish government, I presume?
Apparently, he is going to meet Putin on the site.
Frankenthread. :bleeding:
Polandball cannot into air. :(
Been reading a lot more about it, feeling a lot worse about making jokes. :(
Didn't Sikorski also die in a plane crash during WWII? :ph34r:
Quote from: Queequeg on April 10, 2010, 10:20:38 AM
Been reading a lot more about it, feeling a lot worse about making jokes. :(
You'll never be cool then.
Quote from: DGuller on April 10, 2010, 10:23:05 AM
Didn't Sikorski also die in a plane crash during WWII? :ph34r:
Yes. It was suggested the Brits may have killed him.
And now another Sikorski (nb, married to Anne Applebaum) is the foreign affairs minister and had a feud with the late President Kaczynski, who implied that he knows some facts about Sikorski that compromise his position as loyal solely to Poland. (He studied in Oxford and had extensive ties to the British government).
Coincidence? :ph34r:
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 10:31:22 AM
Quote from: DGuller on April 10, 2010, 10:23:05 AM
Didn't Sikorski also die in a plane crash during WWII? :ph34r:
Yes. It was suggested the Brits may have killed him.
And now another Sikorski (nb, married to Anne Applebaum) is the foreign affairs minister and had a feud with the late President Kaczynski, who implied that he knows some facts about Sikorski that compromise his position as loyal solely to Poland. (He studied in Oxford and had extensive ties to the British government).
Coincidence? :ph34r:
LaRouche is right. You can't trust the Queen.
Quote from: sbr on April 10, 2010, 10:36:32 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 10:19:52 AM
Polandball cannot into air. :(
:lmfao:
I give full credit for the joke to Zanza who first posted it but then deleted (I think he thought it would be inappropriate - clearly he didn't know Languish :P).
LOL. Fun fact.
All heads of state (Medvedev, Sarkozy, etc.) called Bronislaw Komorowski, the Speaker of the Parliament, who is the acting President, with condolences, while Prime Ministers (Brown, Putin, Merkel, etc.) called Donald Tusk who is the Prime Minister, according to the diplomatic protocol... except for one President who called Mr Tusk instead of Mr Komorowski.
Guess who. :D
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 10:17:01 AM
Apparently, he is going to meet Putin on the site.
Where are they going to meet, in the basement?
Quote from: DGuller on April 10, 2010, 10:41:49 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 10:17:01 AM
Apparently, he is going to meet Putin on the site.
Where are they going to meet, in the basement?
Yes, Putin asked him to come alone, and not to tell anyone where he is going.
Georgia has made Kaczynski "The National Hero". :bleeding:
Speaking of which, Georgia is pretty fucked now, since the last President in Europe who cared about it is dead. :P
The other Kaczynski is also flying to Smolenski. :frusty:
I think he, the Prime Minister and all ministers should take one plane and take most MPs with them. :yuk:
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 10:52:01 AM
The other Kaczynski is also flying to Smolenski. :frusty:
I think he, the Prime Minister and all ministers should take one plane and take most MPs with them. :yuk:
And then have them all surrender as POWs on the off chance they land successfully.
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 10:41:02 AM
LOL. Fun fact.
All heads of state (Medvedev, Sarkozy, etc.) called Bronislaw Komorowski, the Speaker of the Parliament, who is the acting President, with condolences, while Prime Ministers (Brown, Putin, Merkel, etc.) called Donald Tusk who is the Prime Minister, according to the diplomatic protocol... except for one President who called Mr Tusk instead of Mr Komorowski.
Guess who. :D
Everymana Obama?
Reading the Russian sites, there is a strong and not subtle hinting that Kaczynski may ultimately be to blame for the crash. The Russian pilots state that no competent pilot in their right mind would continue trying to land in those conditions, and therefore the pilots must have been ordered to do so against their better judgment. They also state that Kaczynski was known the past to give orders to pilots that went against the safety recommendations.
Maskirovka.
Quote from: The Brain on April 10, 2010, 12:00:52 PM
Maskirovka.
Maskirovka? Are you saying the Russians painted the tree tops to look like a runway?
Quote from: Queequeg on April 10, 2010, 10:07:45 AM
I'm pretty sure this was the fastest this board has given in to gallows humor during a tragedy, btw. The fact that it was Poles affected probably helped a whole lot.
Okay, Tuna. :rolleyes:
Quote from: garbon on April 10, 2010, 12:29:06 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on April 10, 2010, 10:07:45 AM
I'm pretty sure this was the fastest this board has given in to gallows humor during a tragedy, btw. The fact that it was Poles affected probably helped a whole lot.
Okay, Tuna. :rolleyes:
Tuna. the only twit that ever cried over Afghanis that got whacked for firing their weapons into the air at a wedding. You know, the same air with combat aircraft in it.
The Eastern Orthodox Field Bishop of the Polish Army died in that crash. Damn papists, killing our Bishops!
LOL like anyone cares. For the record, the Catholic and the Protestant field bishops/chaplins also died.
There was no imam or rabbi on board of the plane*, though. :ph34r:
*Admittedly, I am not sure if there is one at all in the Polish army, but still. :P
For the record, Mr Tusk was to the official celebrations with Mr Putin few days ago, which Mr Kaczynski didn't attend (for reason of his feud with Tusk and his animosity towards Putin).
So essentially today Kaczynski was traveling with all these people to a separate ceremony, without either of Tusk or Putin. Now, this sounds like a more plausible motive to whack him. :ph34r:
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 10:38:35 AM
Quote from: sbr on April 10, 2010, 10:36:32 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 10:19:52 AM
Polandball cannot into air. :(
:lmfao:
I give full credit for the joke to Zanza who first posted it but then deleted (I think he thought it would be inappropriate - clearly he didn't know Languish :P).
Is this some kind of reference I'm not getting?
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 01:04:14 PM
There was no imam or rabbi on board of the plane*, though. :ph34r:
In fact, some time before this tragedy, all the Jews were told to leave Poland. Coincidence? :ph34r:
Quote from: PDH on April 10, 2010, 09:30:35 AM
Well, that took the pis out of Polish politics in a hurry.
I wonder if Tusk's party will glide to the top on the wings of this disaster.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 10, 2010, 01:31:31 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 10:38:35 AM
Quote from: sbr on April 10, 2010, 10:36:32 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 10:19:52 AM
Polandball cannot into air. :(
:lmfao:
I give full credit for the joke to Zanza who first posted it but then deleted (I think he thought it would be inappropriate - clearly he didn't know Languish :P).
Is this some kind of reference I'm not getting?
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/polandball
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:lmfao:
Quote from: Agelastus on April 10, 2010, 11:49:14 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 10:41:02 AM
LOL. Fun fact.
All heads of state (Medvedev, Sarkozy, etc.) called Bronislaw Komorowski, the Speaker of the Parliament, who is the acting President, with condolences, while Prime Ministers (Brown, Putin, Merkel, etc.) called Donald Tusk who is the Prime Minister, according to the diplomatic protocol... except for one President who called Mr Tusk instead of Mr Komorowski.
Guess who. :D
Everymana Obama?
That would be my guess.
Of course, in our government system, the President is both Head of State and Head of Government, so it doens't really make any difference.
Poles don't realize how most governments work. :(
Especially Polish lawyers, a hilarious joke to the rest of us.
As long as we are explain missed references can someone explain the Potato Splash title, I don't follow E European news much.
Well, shit. Good Luck Poland.
Quote from: sbr on April 10, 2010, 02:50:28 PM
As long as we are explain missed references can someone explain the Potato Splash title, I don't follow E European news much.
Some german newspaper caused a stir by comparing Kaczynskis to potatoes - because, they, well, look like ones.
I only read Völkischer Beobachter.
Quote from: The Brain on April 10, 2010, 03:26:59 PM
I only read Völkischer Beobachter.
You're probably not very well informed these days :(
Quote from: Sahib on April 10, 2010, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 10, 2010, 03:26:59 PM
I only read Völkischer Beobachter.
You're probably not very well informed these days :(
Contemporary events are overrated.
Quote from: Sahib on April 10, 2010, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 10, 2010, 02:50:28 PM
As long as we are explain missed references can someone explain the Potato Splash title, I don't follow E European news much.
Some german newspaper caused a stir by comparing Kaczynskis to potatoes - because, they, well, look like ones.
After having google imaged him that is terrible.
:lol:
Quote from: The Brain on April 10, 2010, 03:26:59 PM
I only read Völkischer Beobachter.
I liked
Das Schwarze Korps.
Next time make do with commemorating Katyn, don't try to reenact it, mmkay. :huh:
The Russians are saying that the airport staff told the plane 4 times not to land due to weather conditions, but the pilot decided to land anyway.
It seems feasible Kaczynski ordered him to do so - he had a history of acting like this (for example he ordered the pilot to land during his trip to Georgia despite security concerns there). Probably he saw the flight as an issue of personal pride (he didn't want "his" Katyn celebration to be cancelled due to bad weather).
At least this event will strenghten Catholicism, Nationalism, Patriotism in Poland, leaving the likes of LGBT traitors to rot in their dirty holes as sub-human lowly slaves...
Quote from: Queequeg on April 10, 2010, 10:07:45 AM
I'm pretty sure this was the fastest this board has given in to gallows humor during a tragedy, btw. The fact that it was Poles affected probably helped a whole lot.
Egyptian ferry sinking?
Quote from: Neil on April 10, 2010, 05:44:02 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on April 10, 2010, 10:07:45 AM
I'm pretty sure this was the fastest this board has given in to gallows humor during a tragedy, btw. The fact that it was Poles affected probably helped a whole lot.
Egyptian ferry sinking?
Yeah. That was the one that made Tuna quit. You were right.
Sinking a whole boat full of people just to get one tuna sounds like a bit of an overkill.
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 04:16:39 PM
Probably he saw the flight as an issue of personal pride (he didn't want "his" Katyn celebration to be cancelled due to bad weather).
Pride goeth before the fall (from 10,000 feet).
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 10:17:01 AM
Quote from: DGuller on April 10, 2010, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 09:53:03 AM
Polish Prime Minister announced he is going to fly to the site of the crash to investigate. :frusty:
With the remains of the Polish government, I presume?
Apparently, he is going to meet Putin on the site.
Hopefully at 200+ mph.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on April 10, 2010, 11:11:29 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 10:17:01 AM
Quote from: DGuller on April 10, 2010, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 09:53:03 AM
Polish Prime Minister announced he is going to fly to the site of the crash to investigate. :frusty:
With the remains of the Polish government, I presume?
Apparently, he is going to meet Putin on the site.
Hopefully at 200+ mph.
:lmfao:
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on April 10, 2010, 11:11:29 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 10:17:01 AM
Quote from: DGuller on April 10, 2010, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 10, 2010, 09:53:03 AM
Polish Prime Minister announced he is going to fly to the site of the crash to investigate. :frusty:
With the remains of the Polish government, I presume?
Apparently, he is going to meet Putin on the site.
Hopefully at 200+ mph.
:lol:
So what is the Polish for "Kamikaze"? Inquiring minds wish to know.
Quote from: Agelastus on April 11, 2010, 05:32:59 AM
So what is the Polish for "Kamikaze"? Inquiring minds wish to know.
Hussar
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DUN DUN DUN!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7094775.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2
QuoteThe presidential jet was a Tupolev 154 - only Bulgaria, Azerbaijan and Slovakia still use these Soviet machines for Government business - that had recently been serviced in Russia.
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More pictures and narrative why Jews did it at: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash :lol:
I'm so going to hell for laughing at this website. :blush:
"only Poland can lose it's entire government because of minor fog" :lol:
:Embarrass:
Funniest huge-ass tragedy of recent times, that's for sure.
I don't know - I think the funny part mostly comes from the fact that I laugh at it and I should be the one mourning. The same kind of jokes could have been made on the day of 911, but people were all OMG AMERIKKA SAD AND MAD! :mad:
Being able to laugh at oneself is one trait Americans do not have.
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 05:16:09 AM
Being able to laugh at oneself is one trait Americans do not have.
Shit ain't funny, yo.
Chief Rabbi of Poland refused Kaczynski's invitation because of shabbat :ph34r:
Quote from: Sahib on April 12, 2010, 05:48:34 AM
Chief Rabbi of Poland refused Kaczynski's invitation because of shabbat :ph34r:
UH OH JEWSPIRACY
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 02:04:41 AM
More pictures and narrative why Jews did it at: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash) :lol:
I'm so going to hell for laughing at this website. :blush:
Whoa, what the fuck is this: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews)
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 05:16:09 AM
I don't know - I think the funny part mostly comes from the fact that I laugh at it and I should be the one mourning. The same kind of jokes could have been made on the day of 911, but people were all OMG AMERIKKA SAD AND MAD! :mad:
Being able to laugh at oneself is one trait Americans do not have.
I am sorry but 9/11 had much less chance for funny jokes, plus it was a historical event.
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 05:16:09 AM
I don't know - I think the funny part mostly comes from the fact that I laugh at it and I should be the one mourning. The same kind of jokes could have been made on the day of 911, but people were all OMG AMERIKKA SAD AND MAD! :mad:
Being able to laugh at oneself is one trait Americans do not have.
It's a little different when it's an attack rather than an accident caused by the stupidity and recklessness of a countryman.
Quote from: Siege on April 12, 2010, 06:22:31 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 02:04:41 AM
More pictures and narrative why Jews did it at: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash) :lol:
I'm so going to hell for laughing at this website. :blush:
Whoa, what the fuck is this: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews)
Humor.
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 05:16:09 AM
I don't know - I think the funny part mostly comes from the fact that I laugh at it and I should be the one mourning. The same kind of jokes could have been made on the day of 911, but people were all OMG AMERIKKA SAD AND MAD! :mad:
Being able to laugh at oneself is one trait Americans do not have.
Do you know any good Katyn Forest Massacre jokes? :)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 12, 2010, 06:46:55 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 05:16:09 AM
I don't know - I think the funny part mostly comes from the fact that I laugh at it and I should be the one mourning. The same kind of jokes could have been made on the day of 911, but people were all OMG AMERIKKA SAD AND MAD! :mad:
Being able to laugh at oneself is one trait Americans do not have.
Do you know any good Katyn Forest Massacre jokes? :)
The link he provided had a variation of the "Plane in cemetery" joke. It was something like "Polish president's plane falls down on Katyn forest. 22.000 bodies found so far."
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 12, 2010, 05:51:43 AM
Quote from: Sahib on April 12, 2010, 05:48:34 AM
Chief Rabbi of Poland refused Kaczynski's invitation because of shabbat :ph34r:
UH OH JEWSPIRACY
The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing. :)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 12, 2010, 06:46:55 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 05:16:09 AM
I don't know - I think the funny part mostly comes from the fact that I laugh at it and I should be the one mourning. The same kind of jokes could have been made on the day of 911, but people were all OMG AMERIKKA SAD AND MAD! :mad:
Being able to laugh at oneself is one trait Americans do not have.
Do you know any good Katyn Forest Massacre jokes? :)
Sure. But Katyn happened seventy years ago, and time heals all wounds. In seventy years, 9-11 won't be out of bounds either.
Quote from: Sahib on April 12, 2010, 05:48:34 AM
Chief Rabbi of Poland refused Kaczynski's invitation because of shabbat :ph34r:
Smartest guy in the room.
LOL despite there being 96 people on the plane, according to one Polish tabloid they somehow managed to recover corpses of 98 people. :frusty: :bleeding:
Quote from: Siege on April 12, 2010, 06:22:31 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 02:04:41 AM
More pictures and narrative why Jews did it at: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash) :lol:
I'm so going to hell for laughing at this website. :blush:
Whoa, what the fuck is this: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews)
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Gays
:D
I'd say "don't feed the troll," but in this case, wouldn't that be starving out your own kind? :P
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 12, 2010, 06:22:31 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 02:04:41 AM
More pictures and narrative why Jews did it at: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash) :lol:
I'm so going to hell for laughing at this website. :blush:
Whoa, what the fuck is this: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews)
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Gays
:D
That one was a bit to graphic. Should put a NSFW warning there.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 12, 2010, 01:45:48 PM
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 12, 2010, 06:22:31 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 02:04:41 AM
More pictures and narrative why Jews did it at: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash) :lol:
I'm so going to hell for laughing at this website. :blush:
Whoa, what the fuck is this: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews)
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Gays
:D
That one was a bit to graphic. Should put a NSFW warning there.
You don't work. :huh:
-Why do Polish airplanes fly so low?
So the pilots can read the street signs.
-Did you hear about the polack who hijacked a submarine?
He demanded $200,000 and a parachute.
-What's delaying the Polish space program?
Development of a working match.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 12, 2010, 01:51:53 PM
-Why do Polish airplanes fly so low?
So the pilots can read the street signs.
-Did you hear about the polack who hijacked a submarine?
He demanded $200,000 and a parachute.
-What's delaying the Polish space program?
Development of a working match.
How do you get a one-armed polack out of a tree?- Wave at him.
Why did the Polack fly to New Orleans, eat a salad, and fly back?- He had a hankering for surf and turf.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 12, 2010, 04:39:05 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 12, 2010, 01:51:53 PM
-Why do Polish airplanes fly so low?
So the pilots can read the street signs.
-Did you hear about the polack who hijacked a submarine?
He demanded $200,000 and a parachute.
-What's delaying the Polish space program?
Development of a working match.
Why did the Polack fly to New Orleans, eat a salad, and fly back?
- He had a hankering for surf and turf.
That one is lame. Its not even funny.
Quote from: Jaron on April 12, 2010, 04:40:44 PM
That one is lame. Its not even funny.
Experimental joke cover blown. Needs tweaking. :hmm:
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 12, 2010, 06:22:31 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 02:04:41 AM
More pictures and narrative why Jews did it at: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash) :lol:
I'm so going to hell for laughing at this website. :blush:
Whoa, what the fuck is this: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews)
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Gays
:D
:bleeding:
That site is entirely fucked up. Kids these days are weird.
It got Marty off.
OMFG they are gonna bury the potato in the Wawel Castle's crypts. Where of all 20th century leaders, only Pilsudski is buried, and before him Bathory and Sobieski. FFS. Only because he died in a retarded crash (he most likely himself caused by forcing the pilot to land so he won't miss his celebration), does not make him a great leader. :bleeding:
In other news: Obama is coming to the Burial of the Potato. :rolleyes:
Welcome to the celebrity Big Brother reality: where you become great by doing something incredibly stupid and attention-grabbing.
Okay, what's the "potato" joke? :unsure:
Quote from: derspiess on April 13, 2010, 02:53:10 PM
Okay, what's the "potato" joke? :unsure:
It was on the last page.
Quote from: Sahib on April 10, 2010, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 10, 2010, 02:50:28 PM
As long as we are explain missed references can someone explain the Potato Splash title, I don't follow E European news much.
Some german newspaper caused a stir by comparing Kaczynskis to potatoes - because, they, well, look like ones.
Quote from: Martinus on April 13, 2010, 02:46:50 PM
OMFG they are gonna bury the potato in the Wawel Castle's crypts. Where of all 20th century leaders, only Pilsudski is buried, and before him Bathory and Sobieski. FFS. Only because he died in a retarded crash (he most likely himself caused by forcing the pilot to land so he won't miss his celebration), does not make him a great leader. :bleeding:
In other news: Obama is coming to the Burial of the Potato. :rolleyes:
Welcome to the celebrity Big Brother reality: where you become great by doing something incredibly stupid and attention-grabbing.
It's hardly a modern phenomenon. Why do you think JFK was so idolized?
I still don't get your overall hatred in this thread though. I know you didn't care for Kaczynski's politics, but it's still a loss to any nation to have your President (along with 90 other people) die in a plane crash.
Quote from: Barrister on April 13, 2010, 02:56:44 PM
I still don't get your overall hatred in this thread though. I know you didn't care for Kaczynski's politics, but it's still a loss to any nation to have your President (along with 90 other people) die in a plane crash.
Huh? He was actually very tactful/sympathetic up until the last post. I guess It's Martinus way to go from extreme to extreme :P
Quote from: Sahib on April 13, 2010, 03:07:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 13, 2010, 02:56:44 PM
I still don't get your overall hatred in this thread though. I know you didn't care for Kaczynski's politics, but it's still a loss to any nation to have your President (along with 90 other people) die in a plane crash.
Huh? He was actually very tactful/sympathetic up until the last post. I guess It's Martinus way to go from extreme to extreme :P
From one end of the stupid spectrum to the other.
Quote from: Sahib on April 13, 2010, 03:07:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 13, 2010, 02:56:44 PM
I still don't get your overall hatred in this thread though. I know you didn't care for Kaczynski's politics, but it's still a loss to any nation to have your President (along with 90 other people) die in a plane crash.
Huh? He was actually very tactful/sympathetic up until the last post. I guess It's Martinus way to go from extreme to extreme :P
I stand corrected then. I haven't closely followed this thread.
Quote from: Barrister on April 13, 2010, 03:08:45 PM
Quote from: Sahib on April 13, 2010, 03:07:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 13, 2010, 02:56:44 PM
I still don't get your overall hatred in this thread though. I know you didn't care for Kaczynski's politics, but it's still a loss to any nation to have your President (along with 90 other people) die in a plane crash.
Huh? He was actually very tactful/sympathetic up until the last post. I guess It's Martinus way to go from extreme to extreme :P
I stand corrected then. I haven't closely followed this thread.
I feel for him and his family and I think it is sad to lose anyone this way. I also think he was more mumbling than evil, and sorta got the whole presidency thing thrust on him by his brother, and it killed him which is doubly sorry. None of this is a reason to put him in line with the greatest heros and leaders of the nation. I am just ranting at the idiotic times we live in (and I am not the only one in Poland who opposes his burial at the Wawel castle crypts).
If Mr. Potato did bring about his own death by ordering the pilots to land, then in my book he's more deserving of the honor, not less. Few people are capable of sacrificing themselves for the good of their country.
It brought a great more attention to Katyan then before.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 13, 2010, 04:39:55 PM
It brought a great more attention to Katyan then before.
You can't even spell that right. :lol:
Also, most people who were buried in the Wawel Crypts after the end of the monarchy were actually moved there from their graves long after their deaths - this is unprecedented and a political move.
There are already street protests against the decision, and a Facebook group against this, started 3 hours ago, already has 30,000 members.
Good Lord, a Facebook group!
Quote from: Martinus on April 13, 2010, 05:15:43 PM
There are already street protests against the decision, and a Facebook group against this, started 3 hours ago, already has 30,000 members.
Maybe it will be as successful as the Facebook group to stop Harper from proroguing Parliament, or the one to have George Bush arrested and charged as a war criminal.
LOLZ
Perhaps facebook groups have relevance in Eastern Europe. :unsure:
What about tweets? This can't possibly be stopped without them
QuotePlan to Bury Leader With 'Heroes' Splits Poland
By MARCIN SOBCZYK
Poland's late president Lech Kaczynski is to be buried alongside the nation's most revered kings and generals, in a decision Tuesday that instantly fractured the national unity surrounding the death of leader who in his lifetime was controversial.
Mr. Kaczynski and his wife Maria Kaczynska will be buried Sunday at Wawel Castle in Krakow, southern Poland and will rest with "heroes," Krakow's Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz said Tuesday. The couple died Saturday in a tragic plane crash along with 94 others.
The White House said in a statement Tuesday that President Barack Obama will travel to Poland for Sunday's funeral, "to express the depth of our condolences to an important and trusted ally and our support for the Polish people, on behalf of the American people."
Mr. and Mrs. Kaczynski will join nine of Poland's kings and several military leaders entombed at Wawel Castle's Cathedral. They will be laid in a crypt next to the tomb of Marshall Jozef Pilsudski, Cardinal Dziwisz said. Although a dictator, Marshall Pilsudski is a giant of modern Polish history. He is widely considered to have secured Poland's independence in 1918, after more than a century of partition by Russia and Germany. He also is credited with defeating the Bolshevik Red Army.
"Is he really worthy of the Kings?" read a banner held up by a few dozen protesters, who gathered outside the castle Tuesday evening to protest Mr. Kaczynski's burial at Wawel.
Tuesday's decision, made by the president's family, came as Russian investigators said they had found a third black box from the Tupolev-154 that crashed Saturday in western Russia. The plane was carrying a large Polish delegation as it attempted to land in dense fog at Smolensk airport in Western Russia. They had planned to attend the 70th anniversary of the 1940 Katyn massacre, in which Soviet secret police killed some 22,000 Polish prisoners of war.
Usually, aircraft carry only two black boxes and it wasn't immediately clear what function the Polish-made third box served. Investigators said they would send the box to Poland for examination, with Russian experts present. The other two boxes have been examined in Moscow. So far, investigators have focused on pilot error as the cause of the crash.
"The president, who died a heroic death when flying to Katyn to pay homage to the martyrs, and his wife will get a dignified place for their eternal rest," said Cardinal Dziwisz. "The final decision is that the most dignified place is Wawel, where he can rest together with those who have achieved so much for our fatherland—kings, heroes, commanders."
Though announced by the government representative and Krakow mayor in the morning, it wasn't until evening that the decision was confirmed. A spokeswoman for the presidential chancellery declined to comment on the reason for the delay, but the choice of resting place was instantly controversial.
"It is damaging to the memory of the late president to forcefully try to make him look like the father of the nation... he wasn't," said Jan Hartman, professor of ethics at the Jagiellon University in Krakow, adding that the decision looked "political." Mr. Kaczynski is from Gdansk, on Poland's northern coast.
Presidential elections, which had been due in the fall, must be held by June in the wake of the president's death. Mr. Kaczynski had planned to run again, but was trailing in opinion polls. It isn't yet clear who his political party, Law and Justice, will choose to replace him as a candidate. One possibility is the late president's identical twin brother and former prime minister, Jaroslaw Kaczynski.
Political commentators who opposed President Kaczynski while he was alive, but have avoided making any comments that could be seen as negative since his death, attacked the choice of Wawel as a burial site. A Facebook group launched Tuesday, called "No to Kaczynski at Wawel" had 8,000 members by evening.
"A dispute is unavoidable," said Daniel Passent, a commentator for the left-leaning weekly Polytika, because Mr. Kaczynski had been a divisive figure until his death.
Krakow was Poland's capital until the end of the 16th century and the cathedral of the royal Wawel Castle. Among those buried in the Cathedral are Sigismund the Old, who ruled Poland for more than four decades in its 16th-century Golden Age, and Jan Sobieski, famous for his victory over the Turks in the 1683 Battle of Vienna. The most recent figure buried in the castle's Cathedral is Gen. Wladyslaw Sikorski, Poland's World War II leader in exile and another hero of Poland's defeat of the Red Army. He died in a plane crash off Gibraltar in 1943.
President Kaczynski was an active member of the Solidarity movement that helped to topple Poland's communist regime. He was elected president in 2005, ruling for two years alongside his twin brother, until Jaroslaw Kaczynski's government collapsed. Since then Lech Kaczynski had ruled in an uneasy cohabitation with political opponents. The twins' anticorruption platform was popular, but the zeal with which they pursued their conservative agenda drew passionate opposition.
Cardinal Dziwisz, who said the choice of Wawel Castle came as a surprise to him, urged respect for the family's decision.
"I trust the entire society, especially of Krakow, will accept this decision," he said. "A heroic death shouldn't divide us. Divisions don't serve anyone, especially in those circumstances."
Also on Tuesday, the casket of First Lady Maria Kaczynska was flown back to Warsaw from Moscow. As for her husband, crowds gathered along the route to pay their respects and threw flowers on the hearse carrying her coffin.
The First Lady's casket put next to that of her late husband in the Presidential Palace's Column Room, where the 1955 Warsaw Pact was signed and the scene of the 1989 Round Table that helped to dismantle communism in Poland. Lech and Jaroslaw Kaczynski took part in those talks.
From WSJ
QuotePoland's Unity Is Disrupted by Plans for President's Interment
By NICHOLAS KULISH and DAN BILEFSKY
WARSAW — Public discontent erupted on Tuesday for the first time in the grievous aftermath of the plane crash that claimed the lives of Poland's president and dozens of top politicians and military leaders, as hundreds of people in Krakow protested the decision to inter the president and his wife in a crypt holding the remains of many Polish kings.
Opposition was building over the plan to lay President Lech Kaczynski and his wife, Maria, to rest in Wawel Cathedral in Krakow, which also holds the remains of leading historical figures like Marshal Jozef Pilsudski, the post-World War I leader of Poland, and Gen. Wladyslaw Sikorski, leader of the government-in-exile during World War II.
Those opposed to placing the often divisive Mr. Kaczynski in such august company demonstrated Tuesday night outside the Palace of Bishops, the seat of the Krakow curia. Witnesses at the protest said they were chanting "Krakow, say no!" and holding signs reading, "Is he fit to be a king?"
Sylwia Plucisz, 32, a lecturer in English who learned about the protest after joining a group of more than 20,000 on Facebook called "No to Kaczynski at Wawel," said she thought it was wrong to bury the late president in a rarefied place for national icons.
"They are exploiting Wawel for political ends, and I don't think it should be used in this way," Ms. Plucisz said in a telephone interview. "Wawel is the heart of Polishness, and nobody should be buried there, especially President Kaczynski, who was a divisive person. He deserves to be buried with dignity, but not there."
Opposition to the plan raised the specter of a state funeral on Sunday marred by protests, even as world leaders, including President Obama, are expected to attend. And the difficult process of replacing crucial members of the government could become much harder if the political atmosphere was poisoned by the dispute.
Mr. Kaczynski and his wife were devout Catholics popular among more conservative voters. But his tough stand against gay rights alienated many social liberals and his zealous drive to purge former Communists from the media and the civil service angered opponents on the left.
Mateusz Zurawik, 24, an accountant and sometime political blogger, said that burying the president at Wawel would glorify someone who in life was far less popular than he has become in death.
"Burying him there would be overestimating him and smacks of megalomania," he said. "This is too big a thing for any president. He doesn't deserve to be there. It is not the will of the Polish people."
But many Poles supported the idea as a fitting tribute. "If Sikorski is buried at Wawel, then why not Lech Kaczynski? He died as a president while performing his duties and not while going on holiday," said Aleksander Jablonowski, who stood outside the Presidential Palace in Warsaw on Tuesday night.
The president's death on Saturday morning in a plane crash in western Russia that killed 96 people had prompted exceptional unity across Poland in the days immediately after the accident.
But privately, supporters of Mr. Kaczynski's nationalist-conservative Law and Justice Party grumbled that not all the sympathetic outpouring was sincere. Opponents of the president bit their tongues in the face of a national tragedy, in which members from several parties across the political spectrum were killed, along with the flight crew, the president's security detail, clergy members and senior generals.
Wawel is a national landmark, where kings once held their coronations, and is the cathedral of the Krakow Archdiocese, where Pope John Paul II was once archbishop. The decision to inter the Kaczynskis there was approved by John Paul's longtime personal secretary, Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz, the current archbishop.
"I trust that the entire society will accept this decision with understanding," Cardinal Dziwisz said Tuesday, according to the Polish news service PAP. "During such occasions, we should unite, and never divide. Divisions serve no one."
The body of Poland's first lady was flown to Warsaw on Tuesday. As with the arrival of her husband's remains on Sunday, mourners lined the route from the airport to the Presidential Palace, throwing flowers at the hearse carrying her coffin. Their bodies lay in state in the palace for Poles to pay their respects.
A special joint session of the lower and upper houses of Parliament was also held to honor the dead, with photographs of the members of Parliament killed in the crash placed on their seats.
Michal Piotrowski contributed reporting.
From New york Times.
Ordering your plane to land in a forest and then dying because of it doesn't seem to heroic a death.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 14, 2010, 04:40:54 AM
Ordering your plane to land in a forest and then dying because of it doesn't seem to heroic a death.
Neither does ordering your plane to land in the ocean and then dying because of it, yet Sikorski is buried as a hero.
Philby did it.
On second thought, as a modern leftist, why the fuck should I care if they bury an isolated, pompous prick who got the job because of his brother among other isolated, pompous pricks who got their jobs because of their fathers.
Titanic handles the event with proper decorum:
Poland without leadership - What now?
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Merkel: The president, the military leadership - all dead!
Putin: You the West, we the East? As usual?
:lol:
I love this picture. :D
Ok Marti, admit it: you'd love being ruled by the Germans. :)
On second thought, this would be a bad time to invade Poland. With all their main generals dead, their troops might actually be able to make intelligent moves.
It's best to wait until new generals have been promoted by Warsaw, so as to guarantee that polish troops will be placed in impossible positions, make idiotic counter-attacks and so on.
Quote from: Martinus on April 15, 2010, 03:11:55 AM
On second thought, as a modern leftist, why the fuck should I care if they bury an isolated, pompous prick who got the job because of his brother among other isolated, pompous pricks who got their jobs because of their fathers.
By (at least) posture of your family, your income, your attitude, you are bourgeois. So drop that leftie fashion, not all gays were commies.
Quote from: Siege on April 12, 2010, 06:22:31 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 12, 2010, 02:04:41 AM
More pictures and narrative why Jews did it at: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Polish_crash) :lol:
I'm so going to hell for laughing at this website. :blush:
Whoa, what the fuck is this: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jews)
Quote
This is what Jews actually believe:
* Menahoth 43b-44a: A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave.
* Baba Mezia 114a-114b: Non-Jews are not human. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").
* Baba Mezia 24a, Sanhedrin 57a Baba Kamma 113a: Jews may lie to, steal from, kill and rob non-Jews.
* Rosh Hashanah 17a: Christians and others who reject the Talmud will go to Hell and be punished there for all generations.
* Sanhedrin 55b: A Jewish man may marry a three-year-old girl. (Specifically, three years "and a day" old).
* Kethuboth 11b: When an older Jew has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing because her virginity will grow back.
* Gittin 70a: The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."
:o
Quote from: Caliga on April 15, 2010, 11:19:54 AM
Ok Marti, admit it: you'd love being ruled by the Germans. :)
Yes. The problem is Warsaw usually goes to Russia.
DEMON OF THE PRIVY!
Quote from: Tamas on April 15, 2010, 11:37:36 AM
By (at least) posture of your family, your income, your attitude, you are bourgeois. So drop that leftie fashion, not all gays were commies.
Marty's a Hampstead liberal.
No-one knows if he's there for the heath or the politics.
Dear god, this national orgy of death is becoming unbearable. The conservatives are now painting the dead Kaczynski as some sort of the Greatest President Poland Ever Had (tm), and public hysteria (stoked by tabloids and other media) is reaching new levels of grotesque and farcical.
I have seen politicians describing it as the "greatest tragedy in the world's recent history" (Haiti, hello?), a proof positive that "Poland is the Christ of the world" being "the nation most tried by fate" of all nations in the world (Poland, really? :rolleyes: ), and "Second Katyn" (yeah, brutal murder of 20,000 people = plane with 100 people crashing into the ground because the pilot was landing despite bad conditions).
Suddenly, "all the world is looking at us" and recognizing the greatness of Kaczynski.
SNAP THE FUCK OUT OF IT ALREADY.
Quote from: Tamas on April 15, 2010, 11:37:36 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 15, 2010, 03:11:55 AM
On second thought, as a modern leftist, why the fuck should I care if they bury an isolated, pompous prick who got the job because of his brother among other isolated, pompous pricks who got their jobs because of their fathers.
By (at least) posture of your family, your income, your attitude, you are bourgeois. So drop that leftie fashion, not all gays were commies.
His mother is a doctor. I strongly suspect that his family were party members. It was probably a sad day in Marty's household when the Soviets left.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 16, 2010, 02:05:23 AM
Quote from: Tamas on April 15, 2010, 11:37:36 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 15, 2010, 03:11:55 AM
On second thought, as a modern leftist, why the fuck should I care if they bury an isolated, pompous prick who got the job because of his brother among other isolated, pompous pricks who got their jobs because of their fathers.
By (at least) posture of your family, your income, your attitude, you are bourgeois. So drop that leftie fashion, not all gays were commies.
His mother is a doctor. I strongly suspect that his family were party members. It was probably a sad day in Marty's household when the Soviets left.
Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful. :(
Oh, it's not like you'd admit to your family being party members.
Quote from: Martinus on April 16, 2010, 01:59:36 AM
Dear god, this national orgy of death is becoming unbearable. The conservatives are now painting the dead Kaczynski as some sort of the Greatest President Poland Ever Had (tm), and public hysteria (stoked by tabloids and other media) is reaching new levels of grotesque and farcical.
I have seen politicians describing it as the "greatest tragedy in the world's recent history" (Haiti, hello?), a proof positive that "Poland is the Christ of the world" being "the nation most tried by fate" of all nations in the world (Poland, really? :rolleyes: ), and "Second Katyn" (yeah, brutal murder of 20,000 people = plane with 100 people crashing into the ground because the pilot was landing despite bad conditions).
Suddenly, "all the world is looking at us" and recognizing the greatness of Kaczynski.
SNAP THE FUCK OUT OF IT ALREADY.
:lol:
This constant feeling of national martyrdom is probably what I hate most in eastern european nations.
Quote from: Tamas on April 16, 2010, 03:45:57 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 16, 2010, 01:59:36 AM
Dear god, this national orgy of death is becoming unbearable. The conservatives are now painting the dead Kaczynski as some sort of the Greatest President Poland Ever Had (tm), and public hysteria (stoked by tabloids and other media) is reaching new levels of grotesque and farcical.
I have seen politicians describing it as the "greatest tragedy in the world's recent history" (Haiti, hello?), a proof positive that "Poland is the Christ of the world" being "the nation most tried by fate" of all nations in the world (Poland, really? :rolleyes: ), and "Second Katyn" (yeah, brutal murder of 20,000 people = plane with 100 people crashing into the ground because the pilot was landing despite bad conditions).
Suddenly, "all the world is looking at us" and recognizing the greatness of Kaczynski.
SNAP THE FUCK OUT OF IT ALREADY.
:lol:
This constant feeling of national martyrdom is probably what I hate most in eastern european nations.
At least Karpatia kicks ass :)
VESSZEN TRIANON
Quote from: Martinus on April 16, 2010, 01:59:36 AM
Dear god, this national orgy of death is becoming unbearable. The conservatives are now painting the dead Kaczynski as some sort of the Greatest President Poland Ever Had (tm), and public hysteria (stoked by tabloids and other media) is reaching new levels of grotesque and farcical.
I have seen politicians describing it as the "greatest tragedy in the world's recent history" (Haiti, hello?), a proof positive that "Poland is the Christ of the world" being "the nation most tried by fate" of all nations in the world (Poland, really? :rolleyes: ), and "Second Katyn" (yeah, brutal murder of 20,000 people = plane with 100 people crashing into the ground because the pilot was landing despite bad conditions).
Suddenly, "all the world is looking at us" and recognizing the greatness of Kaczynski.
SNAP THE FUCK OUT OF IT ALREADY.
What do you expect from a nation full of Martis? Polish headlines read like the titles to your threads. :P
Doesn't sound different from any normal martyrdom of a dead leader.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 16, 2010, 09:13:00 AM
Doesn't sound different from any normal martyrdom of a dead leader.
You have to admit that the "Poland is the Christ of the world" line is a tad bombastic.
Jesus is King.
Quote from: The Larch on April 16, 2010, 10:08:24 AM
You have to admit that the "Poland is the Christ of the world" line is a tad bombastic.
You got me there. :weep:
Quote from: Martinus on April 16, 2010, 01:59:36 AM
"the nation most tried by fate" of all nations in the world
Poor Romania always gets forgotten.
I don't know what to make of this:
You know that little cloud of volcanic ashes is severely hampering air travel. The Czech president traveled by railroad. The German in a helicopter. Putin... well, allegedly Putin arrived by air, he just flew at tree top level (I wonder if that means he arrived in Warsaw piloting his very own Mig fighter; surely that would increase his already evident 'Evil Overlord Aura'(TM).
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Quote from: Alatriste on April 19, 2010, 01:44:35 AM
(I wonder if that means he arrived in Warsaw piloting his very own TIE fighter; surely that would increase his already evident 'Evil Overlord Aura'(TM).
;)
Well he can turn into a bat.
Quote from: Valmy on April 16, 2010, 10:41:15 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 16, 2010, 01:59:36 AM
"the nation most tried by fate" of all nations in the world
Poor Romania always gets forgotten.
And Haiti. :(
Quote from: Alatriste on April 19, 2010, 01:44:35 AM
I don't know what to make of this:
You know that little cloud of volcanic ashes is severely hampering air travel. The Czech president traveled by railroad. The German in a helicopter. Putin... well, allegedly Putin arrived by air, he just flew at tree top level (I wonder if that means he arrived in Warsaw piloting his very own Mig fighter; surely that would increase his already evident 'Evil Overlord Aura'(TM).
:huh:
Medvedev represented Russia, Putin wasn't there
Or was he :ph34r:
Poland has raised QQ to the level of national art.
Quote from: Sahib on April 19, 2010, 03:09:48 AM
Quote from: Alatriste on April 19, 2010, 01:44:35 AM
I don't know what to make of this:
You know that little cloud of volcanic ashes is severely hampering air travel. The Czech president traveled by railroad. The German in a helicopter. Putin... well, allegedly Putin arrived by air, he just flew at tree top level (I wonder if that means he arrived in Warsaw piloting his very own Mig fighter; surely that would increase his already evident 'Evil Overlord Aura'(TM).
:huh:
Medvedev represented Russia, Putin wasn't there
Or was he :ph34r:
Putin is Medvedev.
Quote from: Sahib on April 19, 2010, 03:09:48 AM
Quote from: Alatriste on April 19, 2010, 01:44:35 AM
I don't know what to make of this:
You know that little cloud of volcanic ashes is severely hampering air travel. The Czech president traveled by railroad. The German in a helicopter. Putin... well, allegedly Putin arrived by air, he just flew at tree top level (I wonder if that means he arrived in Warsaw piloting his very own Mig fighter; surely that would increase his already evident 'Evil Overlord Aura'(TM).
:huh:
Medvedev represented Russia, Putin wasn't there
Or was he :ph34r:
My sources said Putin, and I have to protect them :ph34r: