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Poll
Question: Which animal is the tastiest when brutally slaughtered and cooked
Option 1: Cow votes: 35
Option 2: Pig votes: 38
Option 3: Deer votes: 10
Option 4: Chicken votes: 17
Option 5: Fish or other sea creature votes: 17
Option 6: Turkey votes: 7
Option 7: Sheep votes: 15
Option 8: Dog votes: 0
Option 9: Guinea Pig/other rodent votes: 0
Option 10: Other votes: 8
Option 11: I'm a communist hippie vegetarian votes: 2
Title: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on December 02, 2009, 04:53:17 AM
Well? You can pick 3.

I've eaten all of those listed except deer (and commie vegans). I'd have to go with sheep (lamb kebab :mmm: ), cow (beef :mmm: ), and pig (bacon :mmm: )
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Kaeso on December 02, 2009, 05:02:03 AM
Horse is delicious...
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Sheilbh on December 02, 2009, 05:04:03 AM
Lamb, fish and gamey stuff (I'm conflating deer, rabbit and fowl for that) :mmm:
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Brazen on December 02, 2009, 05:17:24 AM
Bambi.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: garbon on December 02, 2009, 05:17:40 AM
Chicken and bacon!
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Pedrito on December 02, 2009, 05:22:47 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 02, 2009, 05:04:03 AM
Lamb, fish and gamey stuff (I'm conflating deer, rabbit and fowl for that) :mmm:
Almost there: baby goat (kid?) is better than lamb IMO, crustaceans are delicious, deer and other big game (boar!) are excellent.

L.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Sheilbh on December 02, 2009, 05:44:14 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on December 02, 2009, 05:22:47 AM
Almost there: baby goat (kid?) is better than lamb IMO, crustaceans are delicious, deer and other big game (boar!) are excellent.
I've only had kid once, in Spain.  A braised shoulder I think.  It was very good, but it's very rare in this country.  Where I live you can get plenty of goat but not kid.

Boar's a good pick too.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: katmai on December 02, 2009, 05:45:51 AM
Pig, cow, and alligator
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: BVN on December 02, 2009, 05:48:56 AM
This is my favorite season to go to a restaurant: deer, boar, pheasant, pidgeon,... on the menu. :mmm:
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Brazen on December 02, 2009, 05:52:25 AM
Just for you, my dear carniverous friends. A meat advent calendar:
http://theridiculant.metro.co.uk/2009/12/meat-advent-calendar-december-2nd.html

Today's meat is... ostrich :)
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Warspite on December 02, 2009, 05:53:07 AM
Quote from: Kaeso on December 02, 2009, 05:02:03 AM
Horse is delicious...

Horse is great. It tastes more like steak than steak does.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Caliga on December 02, 2009, 06:33:01 AM
Voted pig, cow, and sheep.  I would have included deer in the mix but venison SUCKS if it's not prepared well.... not as true with the others.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Razgovory on December 02, 2009, 06:34:52 AM
What about live animals?
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on December 02, 2009, 06:43:26 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 02, 2009, 06:34:52 AM
What about live animals?

I've only eaten live octopus (well, it was alive up until we cut its legs off, then dipped the legs in sauce and ate it).
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Josquius on December 02, 2009, 07:43:05 AM
I dunno, duck? I really don't feel comfortable eating duck though. I'm still guilty off that one time I did.

I guess in more general meats its between beef and pork.

Awesome beef > awesome pork
Average pork > average beef
Rubbish beef > rubbish pork.

I'm not big on lamb, I prefer mutton, but still don't like that too much. Chicken and turkey are ok but are rather meh. Deer is OK but a bit fragmentary, you find it in your teeth for days to come.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Sheilbh on December 02, 2009, 07:51:48 AM
I forgot about duck :mmm:
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2009, 07:54:00 AM
Sea cockroach, pig, and cow.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Grey Fox on December 02, 2009, 07:55:13 AM
Kangaroo is wonderfull.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Scipio on December 02, 2009, 08:01:46 AM
Pig, fish or other sea creature, and Other.

Personally, duck, horse, scallops, kangaroo, ostrich, goat, beef, the many forms of pig, alligator.... so much to choose from...
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: DontSayBanana on December 02, 2009, 08:33:01 AM
Pig, sheep, and duck.  Duck's awesome, as long as you know someone who can dry it out and prepare it properly.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: PDH on December 02, 2009, 08:44:02 AM
Hmmm

Bighorn sheep was very tasty. I also liked moose a lot.  The best burger is buffalo, I can buy it in the Safeway here, but elk burger is a close second.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Alexandru H. on December 02, 2009, 08:47:23 AM
Pig, deer and sheep.

In this order.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 08:49:24 AM
Ox.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Jaron on December 02, 2009, 08:50:16 AM
sea horse is the steak of the sea.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: DisturbedPervert on December 02, 2009, 09:03:48 AM
Pig and sea creatures, shrimp, crab, lobster, scallops, mussels, clams
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on December 02, 2009, 09:13:45 AM
Duck is great. If I'd remembered I would've put it on the list.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Valmy on December 02, 2009, 09:15:31 AM
Pigs, chickens, cows but pigs are the best.  Their non-kosher deliciousness simply cannot be rivaled.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:17:28 AM
Frankly, I don't see what the pork craze is about. I don't think pork is particulary tasty per se.

Unless we're speaking about Iberic ham or other cold cuts.  :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm:
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2009, 09:21:21 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:17:28 AM
Frankly, I don't see what the pork craze is about. I don't think pork is particulary tasty per se.

Unless we're speaking about Iberic ham or other cold cuts.  :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm:
:mad:

Bacon??? Ribs?  SAUSAGE??? Pork chops?
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Valmy on December 02, 2009, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:17:28 AM
Frankly, I don't see what the pork craze is about. I don't think pork is particulary tasty per se.

Ham...sausage...bacon...pork ribs...

I mean seriously how can so much goodness come from just one magical animal?
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:24:13 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2009, 09:21:21 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:17:28 AM
Frankly, I don't see what the pork craze is about. I don't think pork is particulary tasty per se.

Unless we're speaking about Iberic ham or other cold cuts.  :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm:
:mad:

Bacon??? Ribs?  SAUSAGE??? Pork chops?

Ribs and chops I don't particulary care for. Veal is better for the former and lamb for the latter. Bacon and sausages are spiced a lot, so the flavour of the meat is not "pure".
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Iormlund on December 02, 2009, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:17:28 AM
Unless we're speaking about Iberic ham or other cold cuts.  :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm:

Of course we are you silly Galician! :mad:
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:27:06 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on December 02, 2009, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:17:28 AM
Unless we're speaking about Iberic ham or other cold cuts.  :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm: :mmm:

Of course we are you silly Galician! :mad:

You should see the faces that a friend of mine's girlfriend when she tries the local stuff. She's from Extremadura and they have an almost religious veneration to Iberian pork products at her home.  :lol:
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 02, 2009, 09:34:42 AM
I wonder if pig is winning because of the format of the poll. I voted for it, but it's a clear #2 to cow imo.

Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Valmy on December 02, 2009, 09:36:53 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 02, 2009, 09:34:42 AM
I wonder if pig is winning because of the format of the poll. I voted for it, but it's a clear #2 to cow imo.

It is winning because it is awesome.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2009, 09:40:32 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:24:13 AM
Ribs and chops I don't particulary care for. Veal is better for the former and lamb for the latter. Bacon and sausages are spiced a lot, so the flavour of the meat is not "pure".
Veal ribs?  That's a new one on me.

Yes pork sausage gets spiced, but we have to credit the pig for it's ability to merge with the spice and become greater than the sum of the parts.

Never heard of spicing bacon.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: ulmont on December 02, 2009, 09:55:15 AM
Shrimp, bacon, steak.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Iormlund on December 02, 2009, 09:56:16 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:27:06 AM
You should see the faces that a friend of mine's girlfriend when she tries the local stuff. She's from Extremadura and they have an almost religious veneration to Iberian pork products at her home.  :lol:

I know. Whenever someone goes to one of the solar power plants we've done in Extremadura he invariably returns with the vehicle full of the stuff for the rest of the workmates. :D
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Barrister on December 02, 2009, 11:53:21 AM
Quote from: PDH on December 02, 2009, 08:44:02 AM
Hmmm

Bighorn sheep was very tasty. I also liked moose a lot.  The best burger is buffalo, I can buy it in the Safeway here, but elk burger is a close second.

Don't mind caribou either. :mmm:

I had moose soup yesterday.  It was good.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Martinus on December 02, 2009, 12:13:57 PM
I voted fish / sea food (on account of there being so many possible tastes and kinds), pig (on account on so many parts of pigs being edible and tasting so good) and deer (since I included other types of venison in that).
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: derspiess on December 02, 2009, 12:27:56 PM
Cow, Turkey, and Other: Bison.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 12:28:40 PM
Quite a few votes for fish/sea creatures, I didn't have Languish pegged as a seafood loving community.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2009, 12:55:06 PM
Quote from: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 12:28:40 PM
Quite a few votes for fish/sea creatures, I didn't have Languish pegged as a seafood loving community.
How else do you figure we all maintain our attractive runway model physiques?
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: DisturbedPervert on December 02, 2009, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 12:28:40 PM
Quite a few votes for fish/sea creatures, I didn't have Languish pegged as a seafood loving community.

I'm more surprised at the number for birds.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Sheilbh on December 02, 2009, 01:19:25 PM
Quote from: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:17:28 AM
Frankly, I don't see what the pork craze is about. I don't think pork is particulary tasty per se.
I'm slowly starting to enjoy pork.  I think it got ruined for me because when I was a kid the only pork I ever remember eating was ridiculously over-cooked - at the time I just thought I didn't like it.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Ed Anger on December 02, 2009, 02:26:53 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 02, 2009, 01:19:25 PM
Quote from: The Larch on December 02, 2009, 09:17:28 AM
Frankly, I don't see what the pork craze is about. I don't think pork is particulary tasty per se.
I'm slowly starting to enjoy pork.  I think it got ruined for me because when I was a kid the only pork I ever remember eating was ridiculously over-cooked - at the time I just thought I didn't like it.

They have Spam with bacon in it now.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: MadImmortalMan on December 02, 2009, 02:59:54 PM
Turkey is the best. In fact, the turkey is proof that God exists and that he loves us. Tastiness is not a trait that would be favored by natural selection, and so therefore the existence of the turkey must require divine intervention. Divine, tasty, delicious intervention.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 02, 2009, 03:17:59 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 02, 2009, 02:59:54 PM
Tastiness is not a trait that would be favored by natural selection,

That was only true until man discovered: Animal Husbandry.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Jacob on December 02, 2009, 03:19:20 PM
Pig, cow, creatures of the sea.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Capetan Mihali on December 02, 2009, 07:20:06 PM
Chicken needs some advocacy.  The culinary achievement of fried chicken alone guarantees an esteemed place for the chicken, not to mention delicious roasted and rotisserie chicken, and chicken salad.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: The Larch on December 03, 2009, 11:13:53 AM
I've been reflecting on the pork craze, and came to realize that all the pork stuff I like is, basically, processed in some way or another, and the one I don't like so much is more or less "pure" meat, which has lead me to conclude that pork is great as base meat for processing, but not so much to eat as it is.

Comments?
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 03, 2009, 11:27:41 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 03, 2009, 11:13:53 AM
I've been reflecting on the pork craze, and came to realize that all the pork stuff I like is, basically, processed in some way or another, and the one I don't like so much is more or less "pure" meat, which has lead me to conclude that pork is great as base meat for processing, but not so much to eat as it is.

Comments?
Pork loins and pork chops make mighty fine eating just plain.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Caliga on December 03, 2009, 11:29:28 AM
Not sure what exactly you mean by processing, but pulled pork: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: DontSayBanana on December 03, 2009, 12:25:54 PM
Larch is teh goofy.  Pork's fine pure; it's just not a meat that you can simply stick in the oven and bake.  Broiled pork chops, though, I don't even need a marinade for (although I'm fond of marinating them and then basting in sesame teriyaki).

I also happen to like straight-up pork better than straight-up either beef or chicken (fried chicken is okay, but I get sick of it pretty quickly).
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: dps on December 03, 2009, 12:46:15 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 02, 2009, 06:33:01 AM
Voted pig, cow, and sheep.  I would have included deer in the mix but venison SUCKS if it's not prepared well.... not as true with the others.

I didn't vote for deer for the same reason.  Yeah, it's possible to screw up anything when cooking it, but venison is much easier to screw up than beef.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on December 03, 2009, 01:20:15 PM
Actually the best meats of any variety I've ever had have all been from Animals that were slaughtered in not quite a brutal way as most. - Organic free range  beef, chicken, pork.

I do like lamb occasionally, and fish? well fish is like a whole other world of meat. there is too much variety to put it all in one camp. but my favorite sea creatures to eat are Atlantic Salmon, Pacific Salmon, scallops, lobster, shrimp, in that order...
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Lucidor on December 03, 2009, 03:09:49 PM
Moose
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Sheilbh on December 03, 2009, 03:16:48 PM
I was thinking about the pig thing too.  I rate sausages over bacon and with pork itself I like fatty slow cooked stuff like pork belly :mmm:
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Capetan Mihali on December 03, 2009, 03:23:32 PM
I love sausages more than life itself, but I felt the need to cut down after finding out how carcinogenic they are.   :(  I can only court so many cancers with one body.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Ed Anger on December 03, 2009, 07:04:52 PM
I bought a can of Spam with bacon today, and tried it. Sliced thin and fried on toasted bread with Miracle Whip.

Ed's rating:

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Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Caliga on December 03, 2009, 07:07:08 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on December 03, 2009, 03:23:32 PM
I love sausages more than life itself, but I felt the need to cut down after finding out how carcinogenic they are.   :(  I can only court so many cancers with one body.
Dude stop worrying about cancer so much. :blink:
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Strix on December 03, 2009, 07:10:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 03, 2009, 07:04:52 PM
I bought a can of Spam with bacon today, and tried it. Sliced thin and fried on toasted bread with Miracle Whip.

Ed's rating:

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Have you tried BACONAISE?
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Ed Anger on December 03, 2009, 07:12:19 PM
Quote from: Strix on December 03, 2009, 07:10:31 PM


Have you tried BACONAISE?

Nope.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Strix on December 03, 2009, 07:14:27 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 03, 2009, 07:12:19 PM
Quote from: Strix on December 03, 2009, 07:10:31 PM


Have you tried BACONAISE?

Nope.

I suppose since you ate Miracle Whip that you don't like Mayo? Baconaise is everything good but bad for you about Bacon combined with everything good but bad for you about Mayo.

You can feel your arteries hardening as you eat it but don't care.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Ed Anger on December 03, 2009, 07:34:37 PM
Can't stand regular mayo. However, Miracle Whip is god's spunk.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: citizen k on December 03, 2009, 07:36:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 03, 2009, 07:34:37 PM
Can't stand regular mayo. However, Miracle Whip is god's spunk.

I'm just the opposite.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Ed Anger on December 03, 2009, 07:38:54 PM
Then, based on this issue alone, we are arch enemies.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: citizen k on December 03, 2009, 07:44:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 03, 2009, 07:38:54 PM
Then, based on this issue alone, we are arch enemies.
Give me Hellmanns or give me death.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on December 03, 2009, 07:48:32 PM
What's the best way to cook Spam? I've got a tin of it that's been sitting in my fridge since March. Should I fry it in a pan, maybe with some eggs?
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Ed Anger on December 03, 2009, 07:50:46 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 03, 2009, 07:48:32 PM
What's the best way to cook Spam? I've got a tin of it that's been sitting in my fridge since March. Should I fry it in a pan, maybe with some eggs?

Sliced thin, fried. When it browns a bit, its ready. On toast.

Skip the eggs.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Ed Anger on December 03, 2009, 07:52:15 PM
If anybody else needs help with their poor food, I'd be glad to help. After all, I lived on this shit for awhile.

Address me as "CHEF" though.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on December 03, 2009, 08:07:24 PM
Thanks, chef. I'll try it out tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: DisturbedPervert on December 03, 2009, 08:09:38 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 03, 2009, 07:48:32 PM
What's the best way to cook Spam? I've got a tin of it that's been sitting in my fridge since March. Should I fry it in a pan, maybe with some eggs?

Feed it to an animal.  Eat the animal.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Caliga on December 03, 2009, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 03, 2009, 07:52:15 PM
If anybody else needs help with their poor food, I'd be glad to help. After all, I lived on this shit for awhile.

Address me as "CHEF" though.
:huh:

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Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Josquius on December 03, 2009, 08:40:24 PM
I discovered something tasy tonight:
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Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on December 03, 2009, 08:45:41 PM
I'm having this for dinner:

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Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: saskganesh on December 03, 2009, 09:04:22 PM
salmon and bison. otherwise I am a hippy vegetarian.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Ed Anger on December 04, 2009, 08:57:55 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 03, 2009, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 03, 2009, 07:52:15 PM
If anybody else needs help with their poor food, I'd be glad to help. After all, I lived on this shit for awhile.

Address me as "CHEF" though.
:huh:

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I don't get it.
Title: Re: Tastiest Dead Animal
Post by: Caliga on December 04, 2009, 08:59:18 AM
 :(