My Tim momment :)
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/27/california.missing.girl/index.html
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A 29-year old woman walked into a northern California police station, saying she was abducted 18 years ago, authorities said Thursday. Two people are being held in connection with the case.
Jaycee Dugard is in good health, el Dorado County sheriff's office said in a statement, but provided no further details.
Meanwhile, in Contra Costa County, another sheriff's spokesman confirmed that that a man and a woman have been arrested in connection with the case but could provide no other details.
CNN affiliates have reported that Phillip Garrido, 58, and his wife, Nancy Garrido, have been charged.
Phillip Garrido is a registered sex offender and listed on the Department of Justice's Megan's Law page because of a previous forcible rape charge.
An officer at the Contra Costa County Jail in Martinez, California, told CNN that the two had been at the jail and both were ordered held on $1 million bail. The officer said the pair was no longer in the jail but that Phillip Garrido had been booked on charges of kidnapping, conspiracy and related offenses. Nancy Garrido was booked on charges of kidnapping and conspiracy.
Earlier Thursday, Carl Probyn, Dugard's stepfather, told CNN that an FBI agent had called his wife, Terry, on Wednesday afternoon to tell her that Dugard had been found.
The blond-haired, blue-eyed 11-year-old was last seen (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/missing_children) walking to her bus stop in South Lake Tahoe, California, on June 10, 1991, according to the FBI. She was wearing a pink windbreaker and pink stretch pants.
At the time, "it was reported that a vehicle occupied by two individuals drove up to Jaycee Dugard and abducted (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Missing_Children) her in view of her stepfather," the El Dorado County sheriff's office said on Thursday.
Despite extensive investigations, no sign of her or her possible abductors was ever found, authorities said.
Probyn said Dugard walked into a police station earlier Wednesday. He said the FBI agent told his wife that authorities had "Jaycee and the people who she was with." He said no further details were provided, and that the conversation with the FBI agent was brief.
"It was short and sweet, and 'Can you fly up here?'" he said.
The El Dorado County Sheriff's office has scheduled a news conference for 3 p.m. (6 p.m. ET) to discuss the case.
Probyn said his wife, who is flying Thursday from Southern California to meet with Dugard, spoke to her on Wednesday.
"Jaycee remembers everything," he said. "They talked back and forth and she had the right answers to all my wife's questions."
He said, "I'm feeling great! ... It's like winning the lotto."
Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, said the reappearance of Dugard is "absolutely huge." "One of the things that we preach to searching families all the time ... is that even in these long-term cases there's hope," he said. "Even in these long-term cases ... it's important that we not let the world forget."
Wow.
Quote from: Barrister on August 27, 2009, 04:39:58 PM
Wow.
I agree.
Will be interesting if there is anything worthwhile to hear at the press conference or if it will just be the FBI and cops patting themselves on the back.
Why'd she come forward now?
Yuck. Looks like that Austrian situation.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,543640,00.html
How weird.
Will probally give new impetus to those McCan gits though.
Quote from: Tyr on August 27, 2009, 06:18:15 PM
How weird.
Will probally give new impetus to those McCan gits though.
meowtf?
So, this person was able to keep a woman as a sex slave in his backyard, despite being a registered sex offender and being visited by a probation officer. Doesn't do much to maintain any confidence in the bureaucratic management of serious sex offenders.
Wow, fucking crazy. At least the Austrian had a secret room in his house.
I can only roll my eyes in disgust at this. :rolleyes:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32583149/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
QuoteGarrido was on lifetime parole, and his arrest raises questions about how closely parolees are monitored. But Kollar said a visitor to Garrido's house would not notice anything was amiss — the compound was well concealed by shrubs, garbage cans and a tarp.
So there is a guy who kidnaps, rapes and procreates with a girl. And all this in a place run by an Austrian.
Is there a pattern emerging?
Quote from: Viking on August 28, 2009, 03:01:48 AM
So there is a guy who kidnaps, rapes and procreates with a girl. And all this in a place run by an Austrian.
Is there a pattern emerging?
:huh:
Garrido sounds Hispanic or Italian... not Austrian. And this took place in California.
I look forward to this....
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/08/28/2009-08-28_kidnapped_girl_found_years_later.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/08/28/2009-08-28_kidnapped_girl_found_years_later.html)
QuoteIn an interview with KCRA3, Garrido on Thursday night urged people to wait for more details about the case to come out before making a judgment.
"What's kept me busy the last several years is I've completely turned my life around," he said.
"And you're going to find the most powerful story coming from the witness, the victim - you wait. If you take this a step at a time, you're going to fall over backwards and in the end, you're going to find the most powerful heartwarming story."
And if anyone is interested, here's his blogg: http://www.voicesrevealed.blogspot.com/ (http://www.voicesrevealed.blogspot.com/)
Quote from: merithyn on August 28, 2009, 06:31:21 AM
:huh:
Garrido sounds Hispanic or Italian... not Austrian. And this took place in California.
:lol:
He was referring to Arnie, who runs California and is an Austrian. ;)
Quote from: Caliga on August 28, 2009, 06:52:17 AM
:lol:
He was referring to Arnie, who runs California and is an Austrian. ;)
Oh. :blush:
Carry on.
I saw this on the news yesterday. What a horror show. This nut case kept this girl locked away, fathered two kids by her, who will also be very messed up as they have to start dealing with what their father is. Just a nasty horror, so sad.
Quote from: Caliga on August 28, 2009, 06:52:17 AM
Quote from: merithyn on August 28, 2009, 06:31:21 AM
:huh:
Garrido sounds Hispanic or Italian... not Austrian. And this took place in California.
:lol:
He was referring to Arnie, who runs California and is an Austrian. ;)
Austrian-American :contract:
just like Charlize Theron is African-American :hug:
Edit: or is that Afrikaans-American or Afrikaner-American I'm confused...
Quote from: Viking on August 28, 2009, 08:07:49 AM
Austrian-American :contract:
Is there such a thing? I mean, he's ethnically German. ;)
Quote from: KRonn on August 28, 2009, 07:34:06 AM
I saw this on the news yesterday. What a horror show. This nut case kept this girl locked away, fathered two kids by her, who will also be very messed up as they have to start dealing with what their father is. Just a nasty horror, so sad.
I don't believe in the death penalty, but if I did this is one non-murder case that I think in theory warrants the death penalty. What this guy did is equal to first degree murder in magnitude IMO.
Quote from: Caliga on August 28, 2009, 08:48:15 AM
Quote from: KRonn on August 28, 2009, 07:34:06 AM
I saw this on the news yesterday. What a horror show. This nut case kept this girl locked away, fathered two kids by her, who will also be very messed up as they have to start dealing with what their father is. Just a nasty horror, so sad.
I don't believe in the death penalty, but if I did this is one non-murder case that I think in theory warrants the death penalty. What this guy did is equal to first degree murder in magnitude IMO.
Very much agreed. I'm neutral on the death penalty. I don't like it but I can certainly understand when/where some would want it used. This is one of those cases.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 28, 2009, 08:17:14 AM
Quote from: Viking on August 28, 2009, 08:07:49 AM
Austrian-American :contract:
Is there such a thing? I mean, he's ethnically German. ;)
That never stops the Scottish-Americans :p
Quote from: Tyr on August 28, 2009, 10:13:13 AM
That never stops the Scottish-Americans :p
Or English-Brits. :contract:
Quotefathered two children with her, the first when Jaycee was about 14. Those children, both girls now 11 and 15, also were kept hidden away in the backyard compound.
I didn't realize how old the daughters were.
Do we know if he raped them as well? :(
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 28, 2009, 11:56:36 AM
Quotefathered two children with her, the first when Jaycee was about 14. Those children, both girls now 11 and 15, also were kept hidden away in the backyard compound.
I didn't realize how old the daughters were.
Do we know if he raped them as well? :(
It is part of my ever more low view of human morality that I must answer, "we don't know yet."
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 28, 2009, 11:56:36 AM
Quotefathered two children with her, the first when Jaycee was about 14. Those children, both girls now 11 and 15, also were kept hidden away in the backyard compound.
I didn't realize how old the daughters were.
Do we know if he raped them as well? :(
One story I read was that would be determined as the police/FBI performed investigations into this whole nasty incident.
Quote from: merithyn on August 28, 2009, 06:35:52 AM
I look forward to this....
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/08/28/2009-08-28_kidnapped_girl_found_years_later.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/08/28/2009-08-28_kidnapped_girl_found_years_later.html)
QuoteIn an interview with KCRA3, Garrido on Thursday night urged people to wait for more details about the case to come out before making a judgment.
"What's kept me busy the last several years is I've completely turned my life around," he said.
"And you're going to find the most powerful story coming from the witness, the victim - you wait. If you take this a step at a time, you're going to fall over backwards and in the end, you're going to find the most powerful heartwarming story."
And if anyone is interested, here's his blogg: http://www.voicesrevealed.blogspot.com/ (http://www.voicesrevealed.blogspot.com/)
I'm not really interested in the delusional rantings of a wackjob.
Here's a powerful heartwarming story, starring you, you fucking lunatic:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgallerydriver.com%2FArt%2F03ElectricChair.gif&hash=4ca7eb5b06b7153fd0f957ed192fc98d759a5ba9)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 28, 2009, 12:20:12 PM
I'm not really interested in the delusional rantings of a wackjob.
:(
I knew people were ignoring my posts.
Quote from: Caliga on August 28, 2009, 12:23:04 PM
Here's a powerful heartwarming story, starring you, you fucking lunatic:
That is literally heart-warming. In the sense of how 100 amps will warm up the heart to a nice crispy well done.
That's what I was getting at. ;)
Quote from: Caliga on August 28, 2009, 12:42:41 PM
That's what I was getting at. ;)
I'm starting to get the impression we are blind to each other's jokes.
Quote from: Viking on August 28, 2009, 01:04:30 PM
I'm starting to get the impression we are blind to each other's jokes.
You are Odin, I am negative-Odin. Between us we are missing both eyes. :cool:
Several videos here on the subject.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32593926#32596726
You know, one of the things worse about this is that two people were involved in this horror show. The guy and his wife. Usually it's one freak, as even that maniac in Austria hid his captors from his wife's knowledge.
Of course, it must have been a lovely marriage, the two of them sharing holidays, maybe toss some cake and ice cream to the captives in the back yard. Ah yes, domestic bliss.... :mad:
Wow, too bad.. this could have been ended a few years earlier. This guy's house was in a crowded residential neighborhood, with houses all around. I'm surprised he got away with this for so long. From the pictures I saw it appears that he had the area fairly well concealed, but it's hard to say. Need more pics of the yard and surroundings.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,544000,00.html
Sheriff: We Should Have Caught Sex Offender Who Kidnapped California Girl Earlier
DEVELOPING: The Contra Costa sheriff in California admitted Friday that his department "missed an opportunity" three years ago to catch registered sex offender Phillip Garrido and rescue the young woman he was allegedly holding captive, Jaycee Lee Dugard.
Sheriff Warren E. Rupf apologized for what he characterized as an "organizational failure" in November 2006, when a neighbor called 911 to report that Garrido was psychotic, there were people living in tents in his backyard and children could be heard there.
"On Nov. 30, 2006, we missed an opportunity for earlier closure to this situation," Rupf said. "A caller to our 911 dispatch offered that there were tents in the neighbor's backyard, that people were living in them and that there were young children. The caller also said that Garrido was psychotic and had a sexual addiction."
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 28, 2009, 12:20:12 PM
I'm not really interested in the delusional rantings of a wackjob.
Why do you even come here then?
Quote from: KRonn on August 28, 2009, 02:44:08 PM
"On Nov. 30, 2006, we missed an opportunity for earlier closure to this situation," Rupf said. "A caller to our 911 dispatch offered that there were tents in the neighbor's backyard, that people were living in them and that there were young children. The caller also said that Garrido was psychotic and had a sexual addiction."
Money was on the police force at that time, fielded the call, and decided the guy should be rewarded for his ingenuity by 'losing' the paperwork. :cool:
Quote from: Caliga on August 28, 2009, 03:02:08 PM
Quote from: KRonn on August 28, 2009, 02:44:08 PM
"On Nov. 30, 2006, we missed an opportunity for earlier closure to this situation," Rupf said. "A caller to our 911 dispatch offered that there were tents in the neighbor's backyard, that people were living in them and that there were young children. The caller also said that Garrido was psychotic and had a sexual addiction."
Money was on the police force at that time, fielded the call, and decided the guy should be rewarded for his ingenuity by 'losing' the paperwork. :cool:
Ah, too bad then, that the neighbor's call didn't mention anything about cats or kittens also living out in that back yard. ;)
Apparently some psychiatrist on CNN has said that this girl will be scarred for life. :huh:
How many years of school do you have to take to become a psychiatrist?
Quote from: Josephus on August 28, 2009, 03:06:00 PM
Apparently some psychiatrist on CNN has said that this girl will be scarred for life. :huh:
How many years of school do you have to take to become a psychiatrist?
Um...did they mention anything about Stockholm Syndrome?? :huh:
Quote from: Josephus on August 28, 2009, 03:06:00 PMHow many years of school do you have to take to become a psychiatrist?
4 years of undergraduate, 4 years of medical school, and then a 4 year psychiatric residency.
My point being that I could have said "scarred for life" without 12 years of higher education. :lol:
Woah, this guy's now being investigated for the murder of several prostitutes.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32583149/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
QuoteCops: Kidnap suspect eyed for murder links
Sex offender's Calif. home searched for clues to prostitute deaths
NBC, msnbc.com and news services
updated 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
ANTIOCH, Calif. - The twisted kidnapping case of a woman reportedly held captive for 18 years in a secluded backyard compound took another disturbing turn Friday as authorities searched the home of her alleged captor for evidence in the murders of several prostitutes.
Officers executed a search warrant at Phillip Garrido's Antioch home for clues in the unsolved slayings, Contra Costa sheriff's Capt. Daniel Terry said.
Several of the murdered women's bodies were dumped near an industrial park where Garrido, a sex offender, worked during the 1990s.
Garrido and his wife, Nancy, were charged Friday with kidnapping 11-year-old Jaycee Lee Dugard in 1991. Authorities said they held her and two children she had with Garrido as prisoners in a backyard encampment.
The couple pleaded not guilty Friday afternoon in El Dorado Superior Court in Placerville to rape, kidnapping and other charges in the Dugard case.
Meanwhile, new evidence surfaced of missed opportunities to arrest Garrido years ago.
Contra Costa County Sheriff Warren E. Rupf said a neighbor reported three years ago there were people living in tents in a backyard encampment at Garrido's home in an unincorporated area of Antioch, about 45 miles northeast of San Francisco, Rupf said.
The neighbor also told police Garrido was psychotic and had a sexual addiction. Rupf said the deputy who visited the home did not know Garrido was a registered sex offender, even though the sheriff's department had the information.
The deputy gave Garrido a warning that people living outdoors was a code violation. The deputy did not go into the backyard of the house, Rupf said.
More suspicion and curiosity on the deputy's part could have uncovered the secret encampment where Dugard allegedly was held, he said.
They "missed an opportunity" and there are "absolutely no excuses," Rupf said, apologizing to the Dugard family.
Stepdad: Victim feels guilt
Phillip Garrido, 58, was arrested Wednesday. Authorities said his 54-year-old wife was with him during the 1991 kidnapping in South Lake Tahoe.
Dugard reunited with her mother, sister and another relative Thursday. They are at an undisclosed San Francisco Bay area hotel, and Dugard's stepfather Carl Probyn said Dugard is doing well under the circumstances.
Dugard, now 29, apparently feels guilty for bonding with her abductor through 18 years in captivity, Probyn said.
Authorities say she was kept behind a series of fences, sheds and tents, even giving birth to her suspected abductor's children in the suburban backyard compound less than 200 miles from her childhood home.
"My wife says Jaycee is really feeling guilty for bonding with this guy. She's really having a problem with that," Probyn told NBC's TODAY show Friday.
Phillip Garrido' s father told The Associated Press his son is "absolutely out of his mind."
Manuel Garrido said his son fell into a bad crowd when he was younger and started taking LSD. The elder Garrido said the drugs changed him from a good boy, whom everybody loved, to an unbalanced person.
Speaking by phone from his house in Brentwood, Manuel Garrido said he hasn't seen his son in years and has never been to the house where Phillip Garrido allegedly held Dugard captive.
Backyard compound
Dugard was taken directly to Garrido's house and sheltered from the world in a secret, leafy backyard, investigators said Thursday. Her abductor, investigators said, raped her and fathered two children with her, the first when Jaycee was about 14. Those girls, now 11 and 15, also were kept hidden away in the backyard compound behind the home.
"None of the children have ever been to school, they've never been to a doctor," El Dorado County Undersheriff Fred Kollar said. "They were kept in complete isolation in this compound."
Even a parole agent who visited Garrido's home didn't have an inkling about the hidden compound, Kollar said. Garrido is a registered sex offender on federal parole for rape and kidnapping convictions.
"The way the house is set up, the way the backyard is set up, you could walk through the backyard, walk through the house, and never know," Kollar said.
But neighbors said there were clues even before a parole agent on Wednesday noticed Dugard, now 29, who accompanied Garrido, his wife and the children to a parole office.
Neighbor Diane Doty said she could see the tents and often heard children playing in the backyard, the corner of which abuts her own backyard. She said she even suspected the children lived in the tents, but her husband said she should leave the family alone.
"I asked my husband, 'Why is he living in tents?'" she said. "And he said, 'Maybe that is how they like to live.'"
Family overjoyed
Dugard's stepfather, who witnessed her abduction and was a longtime suspect in the case, said he was overwhelmed by the news after doing everything he could to help find her.
"I'm really shocked to get her back," Probyn said on the TODAY show.
"Jaycee was really a mellow girl, so that's probably what kept her alive. She just bonded with this guy and she didn't try to get away and it probably kept her alive. If she would have been really spunky and fight and try to escape, maybe she would have been killed. It's just a shock after 18 years that she's still around."
Probyn, 60, said the kidnapping killed his marriage. He is separated from his wife, Terry Probyn. "We were just happy. This destroyed us," he told TODAY.
As for Garrido, Probyn said he had little to say other than he hopes he will spend the rest of his life behind bars. "You're pretty sick," he said.
Break in case
The case broke after Garrido was spotted Tuesday with two children as he tried to enter the University of California, Berkeley, campus to hand out religious literature. Officers said he was acting suspiciously toward the children. They questioned him and did a background check, determined that he was a parolee and informed his parole officer.
Garrido was ordered to appear for a parole meeting and arrived Wednesday with Dugard, who identified herself as "Allissa," his wife, and two children. During questioning, corrections officials said he admitted to kidnapping Dugard.
Police said they had no evidence that Dugard had ever reached out to anyone beyond the compound walls.
"She was in good health, but living in a backyard for the past 18 years does take its toll," Kollar said.
The backyard compound had electricity from extension cords and a rudimentary outhouse and shower, "as if you were camping," Kollar said.
Authorities said they do not know if Garrido also abused his daughters, but they are investigating.
'Little blond girls'
Garrido's compound was about 170 miles from the Dugard family home in South Lake Tahoe.
People who knew Garrido said he became increasingly fanatic about his religious beliefs in recent years, sometimes breaking out into song and claiming that God spoke to him through a box.
"In the last couple years he started getting into this strange religious stuff. We kind of felt sorry for him," said Tim Allen, president of East County Glass and Window Inc. in Pittsburg, Calif., who bought business cards and letterhead from Garrido's printing business for the last decade.
Three times in recent years, Garrido arrived at Allen's showroom with two "cute little blonde girls" in tow, he said.
In April 2008, Garrido registered a corporation called Gods Desire at his home address, according to the California Secretary of State. During recent visits to the showroom, Garrido would talk about quitting the printing business to preach full time and gave the impression he was setting up a church, Allen said.
"He rambled. It made no sense," he said.
Blog postings
In a blog that appears to have been maintained by Garrido, he wrote that he had hired a private investigator to verify his ability to speak to people using only his mind. In an "affadavit" posted there, he said he had the ability to "control sound with my mind and have developed a device for others to witness this phenomena."
Garrido gave a phone interview to KCRA-TV from the El Dorado County jail Thursday in which he said he had not admitted to a kidnapping and that he had turned his life around since the birth of his first daughter 15 years ago.
"I tell you here's the story of what took place at this house, and you're going to be absolutely impressed. It's a disgusting thing that took place from the end to the beginning. But I turned my life completely around," he said.
In addition to kidnapping allegations, court records showed both Garridos were being held for investigation of rape by force, lewd and lascivious acts with a minor and kidnapping someone under 14 with intent to rape. Phillip Garrido also faces allegations of sexual penetration.
Rap sheet
Garrido has a long rap sheet dating to the 1970s.
He was convicted of kidnapping a 25-year-old woman whom he snatched from a South Lake Tahoe parking lot, handcuffed, tied down and held in a mini-warehouse in Reno, according to a November 1976 story in the Reno Gazette-Journal.
He also has a conviction for rape by force or fear stemming from the same incident, and was paroled from a Nevada state prison in 1988, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.
In 1991, police believe he was trolling for victims in South Lake Tahoe in a Ford Granada when he snatched Dugard from a bus stop outside her home. The case attracted national attention and was featured on TV's "America's Most Wanted," which broadcast a composite drawing of a suspect seen in the car.
Dugard has retained custody of her children and was staying at a Bay area motel, authorities said.
NBC News, The Associated Press and most other media, as a matter of policy, avoid identifying victims of alleged sexual abuse by name in its news reports. However, Dugard's disappearance had been known and reported for nearly two decades, making impossible any effort to shield her identity now.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 28, 2009, 11:56:36 AM
I didn't realize how old the daughters were.
Do we know if he raped them as well? :(
According to one of the articles I read, he claims that the girls "slept in my arms every night" but he didn't touch them. He'd become a born-again Christian once his second daughter was born, he claims. They "touched him deeply". :rolleyes:
Quote
The case broke after Garrido was spotted Tuesday with two children as he tried to enter the University of California, Berkeley, campus to hand out religious literature.
:lol:
I'm horribly disappointed that it wasn't Yashua Man or Chinese Happy Happy Happy Man
I think Cal already said this, but its cases like this that make me question my view of capital punishment.
If only there was a way to draft death penalty legislation exclusively for cases like this.
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 28, 2009, 06:25:37 PM
I think Cal already said this, but its cases like this that make me question my view of capital punishment.
If only there was a way to draft death penalty legislation exclusively for cases like this.
But he has found God.
God will know his own then
Quote from: Maximus on August 28, 2009, 07:47:03 PM
God will know his own then
I was just about to post that. :mad:
Quote from: Maximus on August 28, 2009, 07:47:03 PM
God will know his own then
You really needed to say "motherfucker" at the end of that; especially with that avatar. :)
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on August 28, 2009, 12:48:03 AM
So, this person was able to keep a woman as a sex slave in his backyard, despite being a registered sex offender and being visited by a probation officer. Doesn't do much to maintain any confidence in the bureaucratic management of serious sex offenders.
It's the wave of the future. They want less hands on management of parolees and probationers so that they can pay less and create bigger caseloads. In some places the convicts don't even see officers they just come in and fill out a questionnaire which is than processed.
Hate to say it, but this really makes me want to reread The Collector. :Embarrass:
"Scarred for life." No shit, sherlock. Especially when it's already been stated that she probably survived by forming an attachment with her captor. Sounds nonconfrontational, but considering that attachment was formed and solidified over 18 years, I see possible bad things on the horizon, such as refusing to take the stand.
Quote from: Queequeg on August 28, 2009, 10:57:03 PM
Hate to say it, but this really makes me want to reread The Collector. :Embarrass:
Hector the Collector?
Stockholm syndrome was strong with this one.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32605622/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/
QuoteKidnapping victim was not always locked away
Jaycee Dugard never hinted at real identity during series of e-mails, chats
By Jesse McKinley and Carol Pogash
updated 5:17 a.m. ET, Sat., Aug 29, 2009
SAN FRANCISCO - About a year ago, Ben Daughdrill drove to the home of Phillip Garrido near the Bay Area suburb of Antioch to check on a printing job he had hired Mr. Garrido to do.
Mr. Daughdrill was met by a polite young woman with blonde hair who Mr. Garrido had said was his daughter Allissa.
"She was the design person; she did the art work; she was the genius," Mr. Daughdrill said.
Mr. Daughdrill said that he had regularly exchanged e-mail messages and even spoken on the phone with Allissa, but that she had never hinted at her real identity or at the secret of her life with Mr. Garrido.
The woman, in fact, was Jaycee Dugard, the authorities say, and on Friday, Mr. Garrido, 58, and his wife, Nancy, 54, were arraigned on more than two dozen counts of kidnapping, rape, false imprisonment and other charges in connection with Ms. Dugard's abduction in 1991 as she walked to a bus stop in South Lake Tahoe. She was 11.
Ms. Dugard and her two daughters — both fathered by Mr. Garrido, the police said, when Ms. Dugard was a teenager — had been living in a squalid compound hidden behind Mr. Garrido's plain single-story house. Her seemingly normal interaction with customers of Mr. Garrido's printing business was just one of the many revelations on Friday in the bizarre and unfolding story about her life over the last 18 years.
"We were in hell," said Ms. Dugard's stepfather, Carl Probyn, who had been watching from a distance when Ms. Dugard was abducted near their home. "We climbed out, and here we are, still climbing."
'She is feeling guilt'
Mr. Probyn said that Ms. Dugard had told her mother, Terry Probyn, that her rescue had unleashed a tangle of emotions. Ms. Dugard was reunited with her real family after revealing her identity to Mr. Garrido's parole officer on Wednesday, but she has not spoken publicly.
"Jaycee expressed some regret, like guilt when she saw her mother, that she hadn't escaped," Mr. Probyn said. "She is feeling guilt for having bonded with this guy the way she did. He had her for 18 years. We had her for 11."
According to the authorities, Ms. Dugard, 29, and her children, 11 and 15, lived in a dirt-floor compound about the size of a tennis court and consisting of several ragged tents, hand-built sheds and small efforts at creature comforts: a set of wind chimes, for example, and a dingy couch.
Mr. Probyn said Ms. Dugard had told her mother that she sometimes was forced to live in a box, and the police said that at least one of the sheds was soundproof. As investigators prowled the compound this week, a wire cage could be seen next to a tent.
Religious rants
Even as Mr. Garrido — a convicted sex offender who had recently taken to posting religious rants on the Internet — and his wife pleaded not guilty on Friday in the kidnapping case, the police searched their home for clues in a string of nine murders. The killings, from 1998 to 2002, involved mostly prostitutes, many of whom were sexually violated, said Capt. Daniel Terry of the investigations unit of the Contra Costa County Sheriff's Department.
Investigators said the victims' bodies had been found in industrialized areas of the cities of Pittsburg and Bay Point, which are near Antioch. Captain Terry said that the method of killing was similar in many of the murders, and that the police believed that Mr. Garrido once worked at the location where several of the bodies were found.
Law enforcement officials also bemoaned missed opportunities.
In a news conference Friday, Sheriff Warren E. Rupf of Contra Costa County, which includes Antioch, offered a blunt assessment of his department's performance, saying it had not adequately investigated a 911 call in 2006 reporting that Mr. Garrido was a psychotic sex addict who was housing children in tents in his backyard. In 2008, during an unannounced visit, an even larger team of investigators checking up on sexual predators also failed to notice the secretive backyard area behind an eight-foot fence.
"Organizationally, we should have been more inquisitive or curious and turned over a rock or two," Sheriff Rupf said, adding that there were "absolutely no excuses."
"We should have had a better result," he said.
How Ms. Dugard and her children lived outside in a lot surrounded by other homes without detection for nearly two decades, as the authorities suspect, remains one of the questions in the case.
With a criminal record dating to the 1970s, including convictions for rape and kidnapping, Mr. Garrido was on federal parole. His arrest on Wednesday came after he attracted attention from the campus police at the University of California, Berkeley, two days before, when he wanted to hand out religious pamphlets. A university spokesman, Dan Mogulof, said Mr. Garrido had been accompanied by two children, who caught the eye of campus personnel because they were "almost robotic."
The campus police ran Mr. Garrido's name through databases and learned of his criminal past. After the children told the campus police that they had "an older sister" at home, university officials alerted Mr. Garrido's parole officer in Contra Costa County, who had never heard of Mr. Garrido's having children.
'A very stealth operation'
Gordon Hinkle, a spokesman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, said Mr. Garrido's parole officer then interviewed Mr. Garrido, his wife and Ms. Dugard and learned of her true identity.
Mr. Hinkle praised his departments' work and defended it against suggestions that parole officers had neglected to notice the backyard compound during numerous home visits.
"The way that the backyard was arranged, he basically cut the property in two," Mr. Hinkle said. "It was very camouflaged with trees. It was a very stealth operation."
Neighbors and acquaintances said they knew all too well that Mr. Garrido was an eccentric character — his nickname in the neighborhood was "creepy Phil" — but had little clue as to the depth of his alleged depravity.
Cheyvonne Molino and her husband, James, said they had known Mr. Garrido in a professional relationship for about a decade but only recently met his two daughters with Ms. Dugard — apparently named Starlite and Angel — most recently at a birthday party on Aug. 15 at a local community center.
While the younger child seemed happy and carefree, Ms. Molino said, the 15-year-old seemed overly dependent on her father. "Before walking across the room, she was checking to see if that's O.K.," Ms. Molino said. "She'd ask, 'Dad is it O.K. if I go here?' "
Diane Doty, a neighbor, said she had encountered Mr. Garrido on the street recently and was even more disturbed than usual by his demeanor. "He said he hadn't seen me in a while," Ms. Doty said. "And he said, 'You'll see me on the news soon.' "
Maria Newman contributed from New York, Rebecca Cathcart from Los Angeles and Sandy Harrison from Placerville, Calif.
This story, "Kidnapping Victim Was Not Always Locked Away," originally appeared in The New York Times.
Quotehis nickname in the neighborhood was "creepy Phil"
:lol:
Nice to see a story where the neighbors weren't really surprised
LULZ, awesome. Check this out. Go to maps.google.com (http://maps.google.com) and enter this address:
1554 walnut avenue, antioch, ca
(this is the address the chick was held captive at)
First, observe how fucked up the backyard looks with tents pitched all over the place.
Second, switch to street view and 'drive' the Google car south toward Bown Avenue. You'll see the guy, via the still photos, actually pull his creepo child molester van out of his driveway and tail the Google car for like a block or two. :lol:
Quote from: Caliga on August 29, 2009, 09:18:16 PM
LULZ, awesome. Check this out. Go to maps.google.com (http://maps.google.com) and enter this address:
1554 walnut avenue, antioch, ca
(this is the address the chick was held captive at)
First, observe how fucked up the backyard looks with tents pitched all over the place.
Second, switch to street view and 'drive' the Google car south toward Bown Avenue. You'll see the guy, via the still photos, actually pull his creepo child molester van out of his driveway and tail the Google car for like a block or two. :lol:
His property does look wacky.
How long do you have to wait for him to pull out with his van?
He pulls out immediately. Click once to the left and turn around, he's starting to pull out.
Wow, creepy.
How the hell does google get these street level images?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 30, 2009, 03:18:32 AM
Wow, creepy.
How the hell does google get these street level images?
A car with cameras mounted on top. They have to anonymize all people's faces, though.
:yes:
Because the guy was so insane he probably thought it was some government vehicle trying to record his brainwaves or something similar.
This gets weirder, eh? I wonder how the case will go given that the woman chose to stay? She had chances to escape, even worked in the abductor's printing business. But she was just eleven years old when taken, a mellow, shy child, so maybe she was more easily changed or just bonded with the guy.
The perp will have a lot to answer to though, even if the girl chose to remain when she got older. Kidnap, rape and more, and I don't know if the statues of limitations count since the crime was still going on; however that's all taken into consideration. Then he's a sex offender, ankle bracelet for life, and having kids around is against the law, probably even his own, especially given how they came to be around.
Just amazing the living conditions. She and the kids were in tents and sheds in the backyard. What's the climate like there I wonder? There were pics of the kids at a party, faces blurred, so they were out and about at least sometimes.
Very disturbing...
Quote from: KRonn on August 31, 2009, 01:37:03 PM
This gets weirder, eh? I wonder how the case will go given that the woman chose to stay? She had chances to escape, even worked in the abductor's printing business. But she was just eleven years old when taken, a mellow, shy child, so maybe she was more easily changed or just bonded with the guy.
Non-issue. First you can't retroactively consent to something - you have to consent at the time.
Second an 11 year old can not consent.
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 01:46:10 PM
Quote from: KRonn on August 31, 2009, 01:37:03 PM
This gets weirder, eh? I wonder how the case will go given that the woman chose to stay? She had chances to escape, even worked in the abductor's printing business. But she was just eleven years old when taken, a mellow, shy child, so maybe she was more easily changed or just bonded with the guy.
Non-issue. First you can't retroactively consent to something - you have to consent at the time.
Second an 11 year old can not consent.
Ok, that makes sense. I figured that it had to be something like that. As for her bonding, I realize that as a kidnap victim and a child, that her bonding with the guy makes no legal difference. That was just my pondering some reasons of how she wound up remaining in that circumstance.
Quote from: KRonn on August 31, 2009, 01:37:03 PM
This gets weirder, eh? I wonder how the case will go given that the woman chose to stay? She had chances to escape, even worked in the abductor's printing business. But she was just eleven years old when taken, a mellow, shy child, so maybe she was more easily changed or just bonded with the guy.
The perp will have a lot to answer to though, even if the girl chose to remain when she got older. Kidnap, rape and more, and I don't know if the statues of limitations count since the crime was still going on; however that's all taken into consideration. Then he's a sex offender, ankle bracelet for life, and having kids around is against the law, probably even his own, especially given how they came to be around.
Just amazing the living conditions. She and the kids were in tents and sheds in the backyard. What's the climate like there I wonder? There were pics of the kids at a party, faces blurred, so they were out and about at least sometimes.
Very disturbing...
I wouldn't worry about statute of limitations. In California, it looks like there's none on rape , and while it's 10 years for molestation, there's a 1-year window for prosecution when a victim comes forward, regardless of the SOL, IIRC.
Interesting article on what the woman and her children will likely face as they deal with what went on, and try to move on with their lives. Seems pretty good hope, as the article talks about others who have been in similar situations. But it can take a long time.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32638086/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/
For longtime captives, a complex road home
Experts say Jaycee Dugard's transition to a new life is likely to take years
A fragment of bone has been found on the adjoining property.
video
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32639250#32639250
Hmm... police are looking into this kidnapper/sex offender as a possible suspect in some murders of women.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2009, 10:36:56 AM
A fragment of bone has been found on the adjoining property.
video
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32639250#32639250
AFAIK there is doubt that it is a human bone. I think if the guy was dumping corpses over there more than just one bone fragment would have been unearthed.
Quote from: Caliga on August 29, 2009, 09:18:16 PM
LULZ, awesome. Check this out. Go to maps.google.com (http://maps.google.com) and enter this address:
1554 walnut avenue, antioch, ca
(this is the address the chick was held captive at)
First, observe how fucked up the backyard looks with tents pitched all over the place.
Second, switch to street view and 'drive' the Google car south toward Bown Avenue. You'll see the guy, via the still photos, actually pull his creepo child molester van out of his driveway and tail the Google car for like a block or two. :lol:
Heh, this has turned into a news story: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,545141,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,545141,00.html)
Quote from: Caliga on September 01, 2009, 12:05:31 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 29, 2009, 09:18:16 PM
LULZ, awesome. Check this out. Go to maps.google.com (http://maps.google.com) and enter this address:
1554 walnut avenue, antioch, ca
(this is the address the chick was held captive at)
First, observe how fucked up the backyard looks with tents pitched all over the place.
Second, switch to street view and 'drive' the Google car south toward Bown Avenue. You'll see the guy, via the still photos, actually pull his creepo child molester van out of his driveway and tail the Google car for like a block or two. :lol:
Heh, this has turned into a news story: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,545141,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,545141,00.html)
And you broke the story here!! ;)
:lol: I actually saw someone mention it in an article comment, but I independently verified it before I reposted here. ;)
Larry King strikes again! Or rather senility strikes again :lol:
Quote from: transcript excerpt, Larry King Live
KING: Where were you, what happened?
HALL: I was on my way to my boyfriend's house with dinner in my car, he asked me to stop at a grocery store.
KING: Where was this?
HALL: In South Lake Tahoe. And he asked me to stop at a grocery store and pick up some coffee. And so I did.
KING: Your boyfriend.
Story continues below
HALL: Uh-huh. And I did, and as I came out of the grocery store and got in my car, Phillip knocked on my window and said, you know, I can't seem to get my car to start, it's cold, do you think you could give me a ride, you know, which way are you going? And, of course, he was going to go anyway -- any which way I was going. And so, I did.
KING: Why did you let him in the car?
HALL: I don't know. It was the worst decision I've ever made, I think. It truly was.
KING: What happened when he got in?
HALL: When he got in, I filled his hands with a lot of food that I had in the front seat anyway -- I tried to engage him.
KING: He was holding your food?
HALL: He was. I tried to engage him in small conversation on the trip. Tried to stay on the main street, and when I got ready to turn, he said, where I'm staying is right up the road here. And it was again on another main street that I turned. So I took him a little further up, and then he said, well, it's just around this corner, and I said, well, okay, and I just turned around the corner and pulled over, and he slammed my head into the steering wheel, and pulled out handcuffs. He took my keys out, threw them on the floor, and pulled out handcuffs, and handcuffed me, and said, 'I just want a piece of ass. If you be good, you won't get hurt.'
KING: What did he do with the food?
Dude....
RETIRE.
That's almost macabre. Like Larry King by way of Monty Python.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy3pIxX7sGw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy3pIxX7sGw)
Here's the clip.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 01, 2009, 05:07:49 PM
That's almost macabre. Like Larry King by way of Monty Python.
Phillip "Two Hands" Garrido.
I can barely stand to watch that. It's like Larry King is raping her all over again (except her mind in this case). :mad:
Quote from: Caliga on September 01, 2009, 06:03:13 PM
I can barely stand to watch that. It's like Larry King is raping her all over again (except her mind in this case). :mad:
Yeah, very poor taste(and the typical disinterest in his voice) on his part. She seemed to handle it well though.
Seriously, he is the absolute WORST interviewer I've ever seen. How in the fuck can he keep that kickass job he's got?
That was awful.
"How was he able to consummate that?"
"You mean how did he handcuff me?"
"No, how did he RAPE you."
Quote from: Jaron on September 01, 2009, 06:19:55 PM
That was awful.
"How was he able to consummate that?"
"You mean how did he handcuff me?"
"No, how did he RAPE you."
Dude.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 01, 2009, 07:59:17 PM
Quote from: Jaron on September 01, 2009, 06:19:55 PM
That was awful.
"How was he able to consummate that?"
"You mean how did he handcuff me?"
"No, how did he RAPE you."
Dude.
Where's your car?
Larry King died years ago. His corpse keeps showing up for work.
He looks like one of those lizard people from V now (without their human disguises).
Quote from: Jaron on September 01, 2009, 06:19:55 PM
That was awful.
"How was he able to consummate that?"
"You mean how did he handcuff me?"
"No, how did he RAPE you."
I'm not going to put myself through the torment of watching Larry King. Did he really say that Caliga?
Quote from: Caliga on September 01, 2009, 08:53:20 PM
He looks like one of those lizard people from V now (without their human disguises).
V is being remade. Coincidence?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2009, 08:56:06 PM
I'm not going to put myself through the torment of watching Larry King. Did he really say that Caliga?
Dunno, I couldn't stand to watch the rest of the interview. I would rather the Japs drive bamboo sticks under my fingernails... his line of questioning seemed so creepy I thought he was getting off on the story almost.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 01, 2009, 08:59:57 PM
V is being remade. Coincidence?
lol is Larry King: the George's Yankee Boss guy from Seinfeld?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2009, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: Jaron on September 01, 2009, 06:19:55 PM
That was awful.
"How was he able to consummate that?"
"You mean how did he handcuff me?"
"No, how did he RAPE you."
I'm not going to put myself through the torment of watching Larry King. Did he really say that Caliga?
I watched it, and he did say that. But withouth the emphasis on the "rape" word though.
Quote from: Caliga on September 01, 2009, 09:03:02 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 01, 2009, 08:59:57 PM
V is being remade. Coincidence?
lol is Larry King: the George's Yankee Boss guy from Seinfeld?
The difference is that guy made more sense.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 01, 2009, 08:59:57 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 01, 2009, 08:53:20 PM
He looks like one of those lizard people from V now (without their human disguises).
V is being remade. Coincidence?
Dammit, now
my childhood is gonna get raped. V was awesome (the miniseries- the series sucked). :(
:huh: Aren't you like 22?
Quote from: Caliga on September 02, 2009, 06:49:57 AM
:huh: Aren't you like 22?
Probably watched in on SciFi channel.
Oh, didn't realize it had been run on SciFi.
Wait, I'm sorry... SyFy :bleeding: :face: :x
What jackass came up with that stupidity?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32654460/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
Police find no link between Garrido, slayings
Jaycee Dugard's alleged kidnapper was suspect in 1990s prostitute killings
Not surprised. Serial killers derive alot of their excitement through the act of killing, and if that's what this guy was he would have killed her a long time ago. I can't think of any of them who kept anybody 'prisoner' long-term. The kidnappers have a different pathology. There are other dudes who have done this besides Fritzl and Garrido (I can think of a guy whose name was Jamelske or something from NY State), and I don't think any have been murderers.
One possible exception would be Gary Heidnik in Philly, though.
Isn't it a bit odd for her lawyer to be discussing her status and his possible strategies this openly? :huh:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32654795/ns/today-today_people/
QuoteNancy Garrido's lawyer: 'She seems a little lost'
He says 'state of mind' of woman charged in Dugard case could be an issue
By Mike Celizic
TODAYShow.com contributor
updated 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
The attorney for Nancy Garrido, the California woman accused of helping her husband hold Jaycee Dugard captive for 18 years, said Wednesday that her "state of mind" could become a defense issue when the sensational case moves forward in court.
"She's distraught. She's scared. She seems to be a little lost," Gilbert Maines told TODAY's Meredith Vieira. "She doesn't seem to be able to really focus well at the moment."
Maines, who was appointed by the court to represent Nancy Garrido, said he has spent just a couple of hours with his client, whom he last saw on Saturday.
"I am five days into this case. I spoke with my client for two hours. I can't say right now that I've formed an opinion of who she is," Maines told Vieira.
'A robot'
But he did say that his client thought of Dugard and the two daughters she had by Garrido's husband, Phillip, as her family. The two girls are now 11 and 15 years old; Dugard, who was kidnapped from in front of her home when she was 11, is 29.
"What she said that I can tell you about is that there came a time when she felt they were a family, and she loved the girls very much, and she loved Jaycee very much," Maines said. He added, "That seemed a little strange under the circumstances."
Phillip Garrido's brother has been quoted as saying that Nancy Garrido was "under his [brother's] spell." He described her as "a robot" who would "do anything he asked."
Maines declined to discuss any specific plans for Nancy Garrido's defense. According to reports, it was she who allegedly snatched Dugard from the street while her husband drove the car they were in when the girl was kidnapped in South Lake Tahoe in 1991. Two years later, in 1993, she had sole custody and care of Dugard while her husband served months in jail for parole violation on an earlier offense.
Vieira asked Maines how Nancy Garrido could argue she had no knowledge or control when she was alone for that much time with the girl and did nothing to free her.
"That seems to be a fair question," Maines admitted. "The argument goes to her mental condition at the time, not so much what physically happened. I don't know that I can argue successfully that she didn't know what was going on."
Vieira asked if he would suggest that Nancy Garrido was the victim of mind control.
"I would be derelict in my duty if I didn't pursue every avenue that was available. One of them would be her state of mind at the time," he said. The attorney said that he will seek to have his client evaluated by experts to determine her state of mind.
The Garridos' story
Nancy Garrido, 54, met Phillip Garrido while he was serving 11 years in prison in Leavenworth, Kan., for rape. They were married while he was still behind bars.
The couple lived in a compound in Contra Costa County, Calif. Dugard and her children lived in a warren of tents and outbuildings hidden behind fences in the backyard. Neither parole officers who checked on Phillip Garrido nor local police who visited the compound after neighbors complained about the tents ever discovered the captive woman and her children.
Garrido ran a printing business from his home and also claimed to talk to God. He was captured after he visited UC-Berkeley and told a campus police officer he wanted to hold a religious event at the university. He had Dugard and their two daughters with him.
The officer, her suspicions raised, arranged a meeting the following day, at which time the Garridos were taken into custody and Dugard's true identity discovered. Dugard has been reunited with her parents. Her daughters have reportedly been told that their father kidnapped and raped their mother.
Police searched the Garrido property for evidence that might connect him to the unsolved murders of nine women. That search turned up an unidentified bone fragment, but no direct evidence to link the Garridos to the murders.
Phillip and Nancy Garrido are being held without bail. They face 29 criminal counts that could land them behind bars for life, including rape and kidnapping. They've both entered not guilty pleas.
The assistant district attorney says Nancy Garrido is legally charged with rape based on the theory she participated in it. They don't have to prove she physically raped Jaycee Dugard, according to the prosecutor. He says they just have to prove she aided and abetted the crime.
The Associated Press contributed reporting to this story.
Garrido ran a printing business from his home and also claimed to talk to God. He was captured after he visited UC-Berkeley and told a campus police officer he wanted to hold a religious event at the university. He had Dugard and their two daughters with him.
The officer, her suspicions raised, arranged a meeting the following day, at which time the Garridos were taken into custody and Dugard's true identity discovered. Dugard has been reunited with her parents. Her daughters have reportedly been told that their father kidnapped and raped their mother.
Good that at least the campus police were properly suspicious, finally someone taking action to check things out. Good going by them.
Just saw this little tidbit over at the BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8237074.stm
QuoteOn Thursday, police also released details about a previous case involving Garrido. They said he was arrested in 1972 on suspicion of raping a 14-year-old girl but the charges were dropped when she refused to testify...
In releasing details of the 1972 case, police in Antioch said the 14-year-old girl and a friend had met Garrido, then 21, and another man near an unspecified library.
Antioch police Lt Leonard Orman said the 14-year-old girl was drugged and raped in a hotel.
Lt Orman said Garrido was to be prosecuted but the girl would not testify.
When asked whether other victims might come to light, Lt Orman said there was a "good chance".
Quote from: Caliga on September 02, 2009, 06:49:57 AM
:huh: Aren't you like 22?
Little bit older. And yes, watched it on the
Sci Fi Channel, but still going back a ways to when they reran good, or at least notable, shows on there, like Forever Knight and Alien Nation.
Quote from: Caliga on September 02, 2009, 06:49:57 AM
:huh: Aren't you like 22?
Put it this way: IIRC, I'm
older than Timmay. And yes, watched it on the
Sci Fi Channel, but still going back a ways to when they reran good, or at least notable, shows on there, like Forever Knight and Alien Nation.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 03, 2009, 05:19:20 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 02, 2009, 06:49:57 AM
:huh: Aren't you like 22?
Put it this way: IIRC, I'm older than Timmay. And yes, watched it on the Sci Fi Channel, but still going back a ways to when they reran good, or at least notable, shows on there, like Forever Knight and Alien Nation.
I just turned 27.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 03, 2009, 05:18:49 PM
Forever Knight
My favorite cop show ever. I probably saw a dozen episodes. :lol:
I did enjoy it when Sci Fi ran older shows, especially the older cartoons. Some nostalgia value. Though when they started the five hour blocks of short run series and just kept running them over and over, it got old. Right now most of what they have is filler.
Wow, creepy.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/09/06/2009-09-06_jaycee_freak_wrote_sick_love_songs_to_little_kids.html
QuoteSicko Phillip Garrido, accused of abducting Jaycee Lee Dugard, recorded creepy love songs in prison
BY Christina Boyle
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Sunday, September 6th 2009, 4:00 AM
The sicko accused of abducting Jaycee Lee Dugard recorded creepy love songs about young girls, showing his twisted fascination with children began long before the 1991 kidnapping.
"The way she walks, yeah, subtle, sexy. What can I do?" Phillip Garrido croons down the microphone in one of 20 songs on the two CDs.
"I fall victim too. A little child, yeah, look what you do."
Phillip Garrido's former business associate, Marc Lister, came forward with the CDs Friday after finding them in storage.
He said he was given the tracks several years ago because the deranged man had hopes of making it in the music industry - and Lister had connections.
He told Lister he wrote them while in a federal lockup in 1976 for the kidnap and rape of another woman.
"For every little girl in the world, they want to be in love, yeah. Please tell me that you want me," Garrido sings in another song on the album, which also features him playing bass.
"The language, the lyrics, they're suggestive and they're provocative in a lot of the songs," Lister told the San Francisco Chronicle.
"When he gave them to me, he said, 'Someday, these are going to be worth millions,' and I just thought, 'Well, Phil's just being weird again,'" Lister said.
Garrido, 58, is accused of snatching 11-year-old Jaycee from South Lake Tahoe in 1991 and fathering her two children.
His wife, Nancy Garrido, 54, has also been charged in connection with the alleged crimes. Both have pleaded not guilty.
Lister, a former glass shop owner from Antioch, Calif., said he knew Garrido for 15 years. He received the songs several years ago, and listened to them without paying close attention to the lyrics before putting them in storage.
"I will tell you about the only one," Garrido sings. "She's a dream, dream come true....with a note saying you're my baby blue."
Lister said he wanted to share the lyrics with law enforcement and raise money from the songs to benefit abused women.
He also visited the Garridos' home on Walnut Ave., where Jaycee was held captive for 18 years, several times and had met her and her two daughters.
"There was absolutely nothing that I saw that would have raised suspicion," Lister said.
Jaycee "always looked healthy to me," he said.
The elderly mother of sicko Phillip Garrido said she was told the girl her son held captive for 18 years - Jaycee Lee Dugard - and the two girls he fathered with her were her granddaughters.
Patricia Garrido, 88, told London's Sunday Mirror newspaper that her son introduced Dugard as "Allissa," his daughter by a former lover.
Garrido told his mother that the two daughters he fathered with Dugard - now 15 and 11 - also were from a previous relationship.
"I don't remember how her two little girls came to be there, but I thought they were Phillip's. He told me they were all his children," Patricia Garrido said.
She said she was unaware her son allegedly kidnapped Dugard until last month when police raided Garrido's California home.
"I didn't know she was being kept there against her will. I was in my bed, and all I knew was this smiley girl who came to see me," Patricia Garrido said.
"She always seemed happy to be there. I thought she was my granddaughter. I don't know what's happened to her now, but I love her. I hope she's okay."
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 06, 2009, 10:59:58 AM
The sicko accused of abducting Jaycee Lee Dugard
Christina Boyle is a true professional and an inspiration to us all. -_-
Quote from: Caliga on September 01, 2009, 12:18:02 PM
:lol: I actually saw someone mention it in an article comment, but I independently verified it before I reposted here. ;)
I don't see anything. :huh:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 01, 2009, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: Jaron on September 01, 2009, 06:19:55 PM
That was awful.
"How was he able to consummate that?"
"You mean how did he handcuff me?"
"No, how did he RAPE you."
I'm not going to put myself through the torment of watching Larry King. Did he really say that Caliga?
Yes. Yes he did. :blink: She really did handle it well and kind of just let it slide by.
Well, with extensive experience dealing with one creepy, old man, I suppose she was prepared for anything from another one.
Quote from: Habbaku on September 06, 2009, 12:23:13 PM
Well, with extensive experience dealing with one creepy, old man, I suppose she was prepared for anything from another one.
Since the rape took place in 1976 Garrido wasn't an old man then.
Quote from: Korea on September 06, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
I don't see anything. :huh:
Maybe they took it down. :huh:
Wow, guy has chutzpah.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/kidnapper-garrido-told-wife-to-take-cute-girl-20090906-fcqz.html
QuoteKidnapper Garrido told wife to take 'cute' girl
PHILIP SHERWELL, ANTIOCH, CALIFORNIA
September 7, 2009
New testimony sheds light on couple's predatory methods.
PHILLIP Garrido selected the pretty blonde girl with the gap-toothed grin as his prey during a ''child shopping'' trip because she looked cute, his wife, Nancy, has told police in California.
But the couple decided not to try to snatch 11-year-old Jaycee Dugard that day in June 1991 because she was walking through South Lake Tahoe with a group of school friends.
Instead, they apparently followed her home before returning the next morning to complete their horrific mission. Mrs Garrido allegedly jumped out of their car and grabbed the girl as she walked to a nearby bus stop while her husband stayed behind the wheel.
She has described the chilling precision that went into the abduction as prosecutors put together the case for multiple charges of kidnapping and rape against the husband and wife. ''That's the one I want,'' Garrido told her when he saw Jaycee in the resort town. ''She's cute, but she's with the other kids. Let's come back later and get her.''
Lawyer and former prosecutor Michael Cardoza revealed the planning after being briefed on Mrs Garrido's testimony by law enforcement contacts at the weekend.
''This was nothing less than a child shopping trip,'' Mr Cardoza said. ''It just makes their actions all the more horrendous and reprehensible.''
Mrs Garrido's version of how Jaycee was snatched throws more light on the advice her husband gave a decade later to a child safety campaigner for whom he was printing a kidnap prevention fact sheet.
''Phillip offered a couple of suggestions if we were updating the leaflet,'' said Janice Gomes, who set up the National Community Empowerment Program after one of her daughters was molested three decades ago.
''He said, 'Children should never walk to a bus stop by themselves. They are no match for an adult, so there should always be an adult with them.''
Garrido also dismissed the theory of ''safety in numbers'' for a group of unaccompanied children, telling her that a determined attacker could always pick off one of the bunch.
''It just seemed like sensible advice that children should always be in the company of an adult, even if you think they are safe,'' Mrs Gomes said.
Garrido, now 58, was printing the fliers from the business he ran in the same backyard in Antioch that was home to Jaycee - and by then the two daughters he allegedly fathered after repeated rapes.
Quote from: Caliga on September 06, 2009, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: Korea on September 06, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
I don't see anything. :huh:
Maybe they took it down. :huh:
I dunno. But I couldn't see a backyard or pedo van. I could be blind though.
It's still there. :console:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 06, 2009, 10:59:58 AM
"When he gave them to me, he said, 'Someday, these are going to be worth millions,' and I just thought, 'Well, Phil's just being weird again,'" Lister said.
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Yeah, that wacky weirdo with his songs and underage prisoner! Lister must have had quite the stories on bowling night
I'm really enjoying the frenzy on this one. The paranoia of the ignorant amuses me.
This is a link from a Boston lawyer who is often in the media on cases like this and such. This Garrido guy should have been in prison, probably for good. :mad: Instead he had been released early, after 10 years of a 50 year term, and went on to more crimes, finally culminating in this kidnapping. As usual for what usually occurs - people with long and/or heinous criminal records are let out early or let out when they shouldn't be, and are caught again when they commit the next heinous crime, the one that finally (hopefully) puts them away for good.
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/opinion/x1467270548/Murphy-Garrido-case-Police-stupidity-Obama-should-condemn
Murphy: Garrido case: Police stupidity Obama should condemn
When 11-year-old Jaycee Dugard was kidnapped in 1991 by Phillip and Nancy Garrido, police focused on Dugard's stepfather as a likely suspect. This was the first stupid act of government. Even the dimmest cops know that parents who do dastardly things to their children don't facilitate a kidnapping in broad daylight, at a school bus stop - where countless witnesses would be around to take notes.
The more serious "stupid" law enforcement stuff started in 1999 when the California Department of Parole began monitoring Garrido in connection with his release from prison for raping and kidnapping a young woman in 1976.
Garrido had taken the victim to a shed and held her captive while he brutalized her. Garrido told authorities he was a compulsive sex offender who had already committed numerous sex crimes. One situation involved a 14 year old he'd drugged and raped in 1972. Charges were dropped when the child refused to testify.
Stupid act of government No. 2.
Failure to prosecute Garrido left him free to attack the woman in 1976.
Garrido was sentenced on that case in 1978 and ordered to serve 50 years, but was released 40 years early, in 1988, because he claimed to be "reformed."
Stupid act of government No. 3.
That early release enabled him to kidnap Jaycee Dugard in 1991. Garrido took the child to his home where she was raped, impregnated and enslaved for 18 years while living in tents and sheds in Garrido's backyard.
When California officials took over Garrido's parole in 1999, they knew he targeted women and children for sex crimes, and that he was on the sex offender registry. They also knew the guy was a kidnapper who violated one of his victims in a shed.
Garrido's home had bars on the windows, and it was well known that children were living in tents and sheds in his backyard. Yet parole officers, who regularly visited his house, did nothing to ascertain the truth about who the children were, why they were there, or what was going on in the back yard.
Stupid act of government No. 4.
Untrained neighbors who knew Garrido was a registered sex offender called police more than once to express their concerns about the children. But when the cops showed up, they never went in the back yard. Instead, they told Garrido the tents and sheds might constitute a code violation.
Stupid act of government No. 5.
When Jaycee was finally rescued last month, the Parole Department issued a statement in which they claimed Garrido didn't have a single violation from 1999 to 2009.
Stupid act of government No. 6.
The guy had a whopping violation going on right under their noses. That parole didn't care enough to notice is hardly proof of no violations.
The failure of government in this case is so profound, Jaycee's family should file as many lawsuits as possible. If law enforcement can't protect kids simply because it's their job, they should be forced to give a damn in order to avoid expensive litigation.
The Supreme Court has ruled that police cannot be sued no matter how deficient their failure to protect the public. But parole officers are held to a higher standard and thus can be sued if a parolee poses a special risk of harm to an identifiable class of people, such as women and children.
In addition to lawsuits, activists should be marching in the streets and demanding reforms so that a disaster like this can never happen again.
Organizations like N.O.W. and rape crisis centers should be leading the effort because these are the groups that claim to be fighting for a fair legal system and equal protection of the laws so that women and children can live violence free lives. But thus far, they have been silent - which raises disturbing questions about why such an extreme example of government failure isn't worth their time.
The silence from Washington, D.C., is also disturbing - especially given President Obama's willingness to use his bully pulpit to criticize cops for acting "stupidly" during the incident involving Harvard Professor "Skip" Gates.
While many people agreed with Obama that racism remains a serious social problem, most thought there was nothing "stupid" about a cop arresting a guy who would not stop screaming and publicly accusing the police of racism in a case where race was irrelevant.
Whatever one makes of the Gates fiasco, there can be no doubt law enforcement acted "stupidly" in this case - and that the epidemic of child sexual abuse and violence against women in this country is a matter of national importance at least as worthy of the president's attention as the arrest of his buddy from Harvard.
Obama's silence on the Jaycee Dugard case is stupid act of government No. 7.
I love how it is, somehow, all Obama's fault. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on September 10, 2009, 08:25:07 AM
I love how it is, somehow, all Obama's fault. :lol:
The article makes a good point, though. Where is Obama's faux outrage? You'd think he'd score universal points with people due to the "won't someone please think of the children!?" nature of this case.
Quote from: Malthus on September 10, 2009, 08:25:07 AM
I love how it is, somehow, all Obama's fault. :lol:
Forget the Obama part, that was a bit lame. I thought this a good highlight of how bad the guy's past criminal record is. I think Murphy was mainly making the point of the guy being let out due to police or judicial, or systemic "stupidity", using an Obama phrase to make her point.
QuoteThe silence from Washington, D.C., is also disturbing - especially given President Obama's willingness to use his bully pulpit to criticize cops for acting "stupidly" during the incident involving Harvard Professor "Skip" Gates.
Wait after Obama's embarrasing gaff on the Gates affair it is disturbing he does not repeat the performance?
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2009, 08:35:25 AM
QuoteThe silence from Washington, D.C., is also disturbing - especially given President Obama's willingness to use his bully pulpit to criticize cops for acting "stupidly" during the incident involving Harvard Professor "Skip" Gates.
Wait after Obama's embarrasing gaff on the Gates affair it is disturbing he does not repeat the performance?
How could he embarass himself in this case? The couples' behavior is totally indefensible, and he can safely assail incompetent law enforcement officials in a general sense because so many people/agencies are involved... no need to single anyone out.
Quote from: Caliga on September 10, 2009, 08:42:05 AM
How could he embarass himself in this case? The couples' behavior is totally indefensible, and he can safely assail incompetent law enforcement officials in a general sense because so many people/agencies are involved... no need to single anyone out.
I don't know but bringing up that case as a reason he should speak out, and not a reason he should not, is bizarre.
I guess I would rather the President not be expected to speak out on every law enforcement issue that takes place.
Quote from: Valmy on September 10, 2009, 08:46:31 AM
I don't know but bringing up that case as a reason he should speak out, and not a reason he should not, is bizarre.
I guess I would rather the President not be expected to speak out on every law enforcement issue that takes place.
I would too, but by jumping into the Gates fray he indicated a willingness to get involved in what I would consider complete minutiae for someone at his level. So I'm just saying if he wants to do shit like that, here's a good case to comment on.
Quote from: Caliga on September 10, 2009, 08:34:01 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 10, 2009, 08:25:07 AM
I love how it is, somehow, all Obama's fault. :lol:
The article makes a good point, though. Where is Obama's faux outrage? You'd think he'd score universal points with people due to the "won't someone please think of the children!?" nature of this case.
If you really want your President to spend his time composing messages about local-level law enforcement. :huh: Considering the number of cases in the US going on at any one time, he'd have no time to do anything else.
Thing is, he ought to have kept his big yap shut in the Gates matter, not open it in others.
A lawyer calling for nuisance lawsuits. I am less than shocked.
Creepy excerpts from Jaycee's diary.
:yucky:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35352354/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
QuoteJaycee Dugard diary: 'I want to be free'
Journal entries give eerie glimpse of girl's 18-year imprisonment
msnbc.com staff and news service reports
updated 1:06 p.m. PT, Thurs., Feb. 11, 2010
New court documents give an eerie glimpse of Jaycee Dugard's 18 years in captivity at the hands of alleged kidnappers, with diary entries by her painting a picture of growing despair.
"It feels like I'm sinking. I'm afraid I want control of my life ... this is supposed to be my life to do with what I like ... but once again he has taken it away," Dugard writes in a July 5, 2004, entry. "How many times is he allowed to take it away from me? I'm afraid he doesn't see how the things he says makes me a prisoner."
The journal entries are included in court documents filed Thursday by the El Dorado County district attorney to oppose a motion by Phillip Garrido's lawyer for information on the current whereabouts of Dugard, who is in seclusion.
Dugard was abducted from the street where she lived in South Lake Tahoe, Calif., on June 10, 1991, when she was 11 years old. Prosecutors allege Phillip Garrido and his wife, Nancy, kept the girl in their hidden backyard compound, where she was sexually assaulted and imprisoned for the next 18 years. Garrido allegedly fathered two children by Dugard during her ordeal.
Dugard, now, 29, was found by police in late August. She and her children have been staying at a secret location, and prosecutors say she does not want any further contact from the Garridos.
Acting as a family?
Public defender Susan Gellman has asked the district attorney to provide photos of Dugard's daughters, videos of interviews with the girls, and permission to talk with Dugard in preparation for trial.
Gellman's court request claims the Garridos, Dugard and her two daughters acted as a family in recent years.
"They took vacations together; they went to the library together; they ran a family business together," the defense motion said. "The children home schooled. They kept pets and had a garden. They took care of ailing family members together. They had special names for each other."
However, the district attorney's response filed Thursday paints a different picture, saying Dugard and her children were not part of a "family," but rather captives.
'I want to be free'
The court documents contain several journal entries that prosecutors say exemplify the Garridos' attempt to gain trust and control over Dugard.
On July 16, 1993, two years after her abduction, Dugard wrote: "I got [a cat] for my birthday from Phil and Nancy ... they did something for me that no one else would do for me, they paid 200 dollars just so I could have my own kitten."
On Sept. 5 of that year, she wrote: "I don't want to hurt him ... sometimes I think my very presence hurts him ... so how can I ever tell him I want to be free. I will never cause him pain if it's in my power to prevent it. FREE."
Prosecutors contend that even after his arrest, Garrido has continued to try to exert control over Dugard. As recently as Jan. 28, according to court documents, Garrido's attorney sent a letter to her that stated, "Mr. Garrido has asked me to convey that he does not harbor any ill will toward [Dugard] or the children and loves them very much."
Gellman has also asked that Garrido and his wife, Nancy, be allowed to meet in the jail while they prepare for trial. That motion is scheduled to be heard in court Feb. 26.
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Quote from: Malthus on September 10, 2009, 08:25:07 AM
I love how it is, somehow, all Obama's fault. :lol:
It does, however, give all of us potential chicknappers cause for hope that we could get away with it. At least, long enough to build up a lifetime of whacking material memories.