Pulling out separately.
I wonder if this was just a stupid kid doing it for the LOLs. Either way, what an idiot. <_<
Also who knew that making a terrorist threat came with such a cheap bond.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/university-missouri-authorities-apprehend-suspect-behind-social-media-threats-n461311
QuoteUniversity of Missouri police have apprehended a suspect accused of threatening black students and faculty on social media — the latest incident at a school on edge following weeks of racial tension.
Police identified the suspect Wednesday as Hunter Park, a 19-year-old sophomore at Missouri University of Science and Technology, which is part of the University of Missouri System.
Park, a computer science student, was taken into custody around 1:50 a.m. at a residence hall in Rolla, about 100 miles south of the flagship campus in Columbia, school officials said.
Park was arrested on suspicion of "making a terrorist threat" and transported to the Boone County Jail. His $4,500 bond was revoked, NBC station KSDK of St. Louis reported.
The Columbia campus has been roiled by racial unrest, forcing both university President Tim Wolfe and campus Chancellor R. Bowen Loftin to announce their resignations Monday.
University police said Tuesday that warnings were made on the anonymous social media sharing app YikYak and other platforms, with a threat to "shoot every black person I see."
No weapons were found during the investigation, police said.
In addition, a "phoned-in threat" was made earlier in the day to the Black Culture Center on campus. The building was locked down and searched, but nothing suspicious was found and there were no arrests, police said.
A few dorms on campus were seen to have security notices Tuesday night notifying visitors that only those with identification for the buildings would be allowed inside.
"Threats of violence of any kind are not tolerated," Missouri Science and Technology Chancellor Cheryl Schrader said in a statement. "As a campus, we are grateful that the situation did not escalate."
The campus green, which had been bustling this week with protesters calling for top officials to resign, was quiet Wednesday morning in the wake of the threat.
University leaders released a statement Wednesday afternoon calling the threats "reprehensible" and announcing a series of steps to bring calm back to the Columbia campus.
The effort will include counseling and "learning opportunities," including a Friday panel of faculty members who will discuss the week's events.
"The process of making our campus as inclusive as it must be will not be easy," the administrators wrote. "We have difficult conversations ahead, and we must all dedicate ourselves to learning together."
Black students at the mostly white Columbia campus say they've been taunted by white students using racial slurs, leading to protests on campus. On Oct. 24, a swastika was drawn with human feces on a dormitory wall.
The crisis drew national attention Saturday when black members of the University of Missouri's football team said they would boycott all team activities until Wolfe, who was accused of turning a blind eye, resigned.
Wolfe stepped down immediately after more than three years on the job. Loftin said he would exit by the end of the year.
Wolfe said he was to blame for failing to communicate with protesters and resigning was "the right thing to do."
Meanwhile, a second Missouri college student, identified as Connor B. Stottlemyre, 19, of Blue Springs, was being held for 24 hours for while campus police investigated allegations that he sent a racial threat via Yik Yak at Northwest Missouri State University in Maryville.
There have been no protests at that college, which isn't part opf the University of Missouri System. The Nodaway County Sheriff's Office said no connection to the unrest in Columbia had been established Wednesday night.
Also, I wonder if there will be new information about resignations:
http://blavity.com/threats-made-toward-black-students-at-the-university-of-missouri/
QuoteDespite the very real threats, not everyone is taking the students' safety seriously.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTf-g8LWsAA7Sum.jpg:large)
And if this professor will eventually get flak for offering a 'separate' lecture for black students. :ph34r:
QuoteHowever, some faculty members are keeping the safety of the students in mind.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTf25D4VEAEHlug.jpg)
Should a mod move all the posts from OTT on this topic to this thread?
Quote from: garbon on November 12, 2015, 03:47:56 AM
Also, I wonder if there will be new information about resignations:
If there's a valid threat, it's up to the university administration to cancel classes. Otherwise, the professor is within his rights to treat the day as business as usual.
Now, if he doesn't allow black students to make up the test, that would be stupid from a pr standpoint.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 12, 2015, 04:58:04 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 12, 2015, 03:47:56 AM
Also, I wonder if there will be new information about resignations:
If there's a valid threat, it's up to the university administration to cancel classes. Otherwise, the professor is within his rights to treat the day as business as usual.
Now, if he doesn't allow black students to make up the test, that would be stupid from a pr standpoint.
Agreed though, I think email tone was a bit off. Of course, that's really the danger right now. I'm not sure as a staff member at that University, I would want to say anything via email right now. :o
Oh and I was behind the times.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/11/dale-brigham-university-of-missouri-associate-prof/
QuoteUniversity of Missouri associate professor resigns amid backlash after refusing to cancel exam
An associate professor at the University of Missouri has resigned following backlash after he refused to cancel an exam for students who claimed to feel unsafe, the latest twist in turmoil that is increasingly being seen as a threat to free speech on campus.
"If you don't feel safe coming to class, then don't come to class," Dale E. Brigham, an associate professor at the school's Department of Nutrition and Exercise Physiology, initially told students in an email, Campus Reform reported.
Mr. Brigham quickly made headlines for his stance, with many on social media calling for him to be fired.
According to screenshots posted online Wednesday of a second email from Mr. Brigham to his students, the exam has been canceled and he is resigning from his position.
"The exam is cancelled. Our students will be able to take the exam at an alternate date with no loss of points," the email read. "No one will have to come to class today. And, I am resigning my position."
The resignation — there was no immediate word Wednesday on when the university would accept it — was one of a series of events that have free speech and civil liberties advocates increasingly concerned about the atmosphere on the campus.
The previous week of racial turmoil already had led to the resignations of university President Tim Wolfe and Chancellor R. Bowen Loftin on Monday.
On Tuesday the campus police department sent an email to students telling them how to report "hateful and/or hurtful" speech, even if it isn't illegal, because the speakers could still be punished by the Office of Student Conduct.
The code's "harassment" provision defines that act as "unwelcome verbal or physical conduct" related to "actual or perceived membership in a protected class ... that creates a hostile environment."
The American Civil Liberties Union of Missouri said in a statement that "mistakenly addressing symptoms — instead of causes — and doing it in a way that runs counter to the First Amendment is not the wise or appropriate response."
The campus chapter of Young Americans for Liberty responded to the police solicitation by setting up a "free speech wall" on campus Wednesday.
"Basically, if your feelings are hurt, the police are going to crack down on whoever hurt your feelings," Ian Paris, the Missouri chapter's president, told The Associated Press. "I think that's terrifying, because I have opinions every single day that people find offensive or hurt their feelings because I disagree with them."
Also this week, a video that went viral showed an assistant professor in the communications department, who held a courtesy appointment with the school's highly regarded journalism school, soliciting force to stop student journalist Mark Schierbecker from covering a public demonstration.
Melissa Click told him "you need to go" repeatedly, trying to cover the camera lens with her hand, and scoffing "that's a really good one" at his correctly noting that this was public property.
I read some reports that certain aspects of this story may be fabrications or blown out of proportion (for example, that there are no actual eye witnesses of the "shit swastika").
I think the real problem is people losing jobs so quickly these days because of "Facebook outcry".
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2015, 05:11:56 AM
I think the real problem is people losing jobs so quickly these days because of "Facebook outcry".
I think that is a problem but no, I don't think that is the 'real' problem. As though racism is not a problem nor people making death threats. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2015, 05:10:28 AM
I read some reports that certain aspects of this story may be fabrications or blown out of proportion (for example, that there are no actual eye witnesses of the "shit swastika").
Slate has the police report on the shit swastika, with the officer writing down that he/she saw it.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/11/11/the_federalist_and_sean_davis_say_the_feces_swastika_at_mizzou_was_a_hoax.html
I know, Slate, but I don't think they will forge police reports.
I like that Slate notes all the sources of it potentially being a hoax - all the crazed right wing blogs. :D
That feces drawn swastika in the bathroom (perfect marriage of content and medium?) reminded me of an Oatmeal cartoon, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a source for this claim:
http://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences6/restroom
Quote from: Syt on November 12, 2015, 05:52:04 AM
That feces drawn swastika in the bathroom (perfect marriage of content and medium?) reminded me of an Oatmeal cartoon, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a source for this claim:
http://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences6/restroom
That strikes me as a drawing by someone who never has spend time in a woman's restroom. :hmm:
I'm surprised that the environment can be so poisonous for minorities in a XXIth century uni campus, by the way. Some of the stuff that has come up to the light is truly shocking.
Quote from: garbon on November 12, 2015, 05:53:09 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 12, 2015, 05:52:04 AM
That feces drawn swastika in the bathroom (perfect marriage of content and medium?) reminded me of an Oatmeal cartoon, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a source for this claim:
http://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences6/restroom
That strikes me as a drawing by someone who never has spend time in a woman's restroom. :hmm:
He may have exaggerated for comedic effect. He does that sometimes.
Quote from: Syt on November 12, 2015, 05:57:26 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 12, 2015, 05:53:09 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 12, 2015, 05:52:04 AM
That feces drawn swastika in the bathroom (perfect marriage of content and medium?) reminded me of an Oatmeal cartoon, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a source for this claim:
http://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences6/restroom
That strikes me as a drawing by someone who never has spend time in a woman's restroom. :hmm:
He may have exaggerated for comedic effect. He does that sometimes.
I'd note it is just plain wrong. ;)
Only difference, I've ever seen (though admittedly it has been since my college days that I've been in a women's restroom) is that sometimes they were fancier with places to sit.
I think the men's room drawing must be from an airport. :x
In my last office we had unisex bath rooms on our floor. Which confused the heck out of female visitors when they ran into you coming out. :lol:
Quote from: celedhring on November 12, 2015, 05:55:04 AM
I'm surprised that the environment can be so poisonous for minorities in a XXIth century uni campus, by the way. Some of the stuff that has come up to the light is truly shocking.
You just get to hear about it all now thanks to the internet.
It is kind of disturbing that a problem with a professor and a test required forming an internet mob to destroy the guys life and not simply appealing to the Dean of Students or something.
Quote from: Valmy on November 12, 2015, 06:34:20 AM
It is kind of disturbing that a problem with a professor and a test required forming an internet mob to destroy the guys life and not simply appealing to the Dean of Students or something.
Well, I also don't know if that student intended this as an outcome. Isn't to hard to imagine someone taking a screenshot, post that up just complaining about their professor - but then goes viral and the internet mob calls for blood. Though to be honest, I don't think I would ever be posting screenshots of my correspondence with anyone, particularly if I hadn't gone ahead to block out any names/personal details.
Quote from: garbon on November 12, 2015, 03:45:40 AM
I wonder if this was just a stupid kid doing it for the LOLs. Either way, what an idiot. <_<
I had a feeling that is what it was.
Quote from: garbon on November 12, 2015, 06:38:06 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 12, 2015, 06:34:20 AM
It is kind of disturbing that a problem with a professor and a test required forming an internet mob to destroy the guys life and not simply appealing to the Dean of Students or something.
Well, I also don't know if that student intended this as an outcome. Isn't to hard to imagine someone taking a screenshot, post that up just complaining about their professor - but then goes viral and the internet mob calls for blood. Though to be honest, I don't think I would ever be posting screenshots of my correspondence with anyone, particularly if I hadn't gone ahead to block out any names/personal details.
True. This may have been just one guy venting a bit on twitter (or whatever) and it quickly got out of hand.
Quote from: Valmy on November 12, 2015, 06:39:44 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 12, 2015, 06:38:06 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 12, 2015, 06:34:20 AM
It is kind of disturbing that a problem with a professor and a test required forming an internet mob to destroy the guys life and not simply appealing to the Dean of Students or something.
Well, I also don't know if that student intended this as an outcome. Isn't to hard to imagine someone taking a screenshot, post that up just complaining about their professor - but then goes viral and the internet mob calls for blood. Though to be honest, I don't think I would ever be posting screenshots of my correspondence with anyone, particularly if I hadn't gone ahead to block out any names/personal details.
True. This may have been just one guy venting a bit on twitter (or whatever) and it quickly got out of hand.
One woman. Though I suppose it could be a male Jasmine. :P
Quote from: Valmy on November 12, 2015, 06:39:44 AM
True. This may have been just one guy venting a bit on twitter (or whatever) and it quickly got out of hand.
What? That never happens!
Quote from: garbon on November 12, 2015, 06:41:38 AM
One woman. Though I suppose it could be a male Jasmine. :P
Whoops :blush:
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2015, 05:10:28 AM
I read some reports that certain aspects of this story may be fabrications or blown out of proportion (for example, that there are no actual eye witnesses of the "shit swastika").
All sorts of rumors are being reported now. For instance yesterday there were claims that the Klan was going to mount an attack and a black woman was chased by three whites with a bats. These were re-tweeted by the Student body president, but had no basis in fact. The two threats of violence came from people over 100 miles away from the MU campus, and neither student was from the Columbia area.
The weird thing about this is that Columbia, Missouri is probably the least racist place in the state. It's a very liberal college town.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 12, 2015, 10:59:15 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2015, 05:10:28 AM
I read some reports that certain aspects of this story may be fabrications or blown out of proportion (for example, that there are no actual eye witnesses of the "shit swastika").
All sorts of rumors are being reported now. For instance yesterday there were claims that the Klan was going to mount an attack and a black woman was chased by three whites with a bats. These were re-tweeted by the Student body president, but had no basis in fact. The two threats of violence came from people over 100 miles away from the MU campus, and neither student was from the Columbia area.
The weird thing about this is that Columbia, Missouri is probably the least racist place in the state. It's a very liberal college town.
Revolutionary action tends to lead to paranoia.
Activists are now segregating all the white activists. Hilarious.
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/mizzou-protesters-now-segregating-their-members-by-race/
Quote from: Scipio on November 12, 2015, 01:34:17 PM
Activists are now segregating all the white activists. Hilarious.
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/mizzou-protesters-now-segregating-their-members-by-race/
Oddly, only the conservative blogosphere seems to have any mentions of a black only healing space.
America has failed. Again.
Quote from: garbon on November 12, 2015, 01:39:09 PM
Quote from: Scipio on November 12, 2015, 01:34:17 PM
Activists are now segregating all the white activists. Hilarious.
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/mizzou-protesters-now-segregating-their-members-by-race/
Oddly, only the conservative blogosphere seems to have any mentions of a black only healing space.
It seems like there is a lot of conflicting information floating around regarding this situation.
I will wait for our eyes and ears in Missouri, Raz, confirms or denies this report.
I wonder to what extent this has been a prank by some jokesters that now spiralled out of proportion? I mean, the shit swastika and other reports, such as someone changing the library wallpaper to read "hangings will begin on [a December date here]" sounds more like someone with a sick sense of humour than an actual threat.
Incidentally:
Quotethe Black Culture Center
:hmm:
Is it common for US students to segregate themselves by race?
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2015, 02:46:30 PM
Incidentally:
Quotethe Black Culture Center
:hmm:
Is it common for US students to segregate themselves by race?
Its not uncommon for various groups to have separate clubs, meeting spaces etc.
Define "black culture".
Why is that necessary?
White culture is stiff and boring.
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2015, 02:50:55 PM
Define "black culture".
There you go!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_culture
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2015, 02:50:55 PM
Define "black culture".
Oh come on Marty. What is Black culture (in the US)? It's slavery. Segregation. Motown. Rap music. Black churches. Black hair. Soul food.
African-Americans have lived in the US for hundreds of years and have a very definite "culture".
Quote from: Barrister on November 12, 2015, 03:00:38 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2015, 02:50:55 PM
Define "black culture".
Oh come on Marty. What is Black culture (in the US)? It's slavery. Segregation. Motown. Rap music. Black churches. Black hair. Soul food.
African-Americans have lived in the US for hundreds of years and have a very definite "culture".
:unsure:
Quote from: The Brain on November 12, 2015, 03:03:25 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 12, 2015, 03:00:38 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2015, 02:50:55 PM
Define "black culture".
Oh come on Marty. What is Black culture (in the US)? It's slavery. Segregation. Motown. Rap music. Black churches. Black hair. Soul food.
African-Americans have lived in the US for hundreds of years and have a very definite "culture".
:unsure:
Don't worry, there's a Swedish-American culture too.
Quote from: Barrister on November 12, 2015, 03:00:38 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2015, 02:50:55 PM
Define "black culture".
Oh come on Marty. What is Black culture (in the US)? It's slavery. Segregation. Motown. Rap music. Black churches. Black hair. Soul food.
African-Americans have lived in the US for hundreds of years and have a very definite "culture".
I am not part of a culture of slavery, cracker. :angry:
Quote from: garbon on November 12, 2015, 03:10:36 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 12, 2015, 03:00:38 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 12, 2015, 02:50:55 PM
Define "black culture".
Oh come on Marty. What is Black culture (in the US)? It's slavery. Segregation. Motown. Rap music. Black churches. Black hair. Soul food.
African-Americans have lived in the US for hundreds of years and have a very definite "culture".
I am not part of a culture of slavery, cracker. :angry:
Get it right - I'm a honky. :mad:
But even from your own link:
QuoteThe distinct identity of African-American culture is rooted in the historical experience of the African-American people, including the Middle Passage.
Yeah, historical experience shaped the culture. Doesn't mean culture today should be described as 'It's slavery.'
Quote from: garbon on November 12, 2015, 03:17:33 PM
Yeah, historical experience shaped the culture. Doesn't mean culture today should be described as 'It's slavery.'
I didn't just say "it's slavery" though. I listed a bunch of other factors (and it was hardly an exhaustive list).
Black culture seems to be all about stereotypes.
Quote from: Barrister on November 12, 2015, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 12, 2015, 03:17:33 PM
Yeah, historical experience shaped the culture. Doesn't mean culture today should be described as 'It's slavery.'
I didn't just say "it's slavery" though. I listed a bunch of other factors (and it was hardly an exhaustive list).
Lesson is that "It's slavery" is not the start of an acceptable response. ;)
Quote from: The Brain on November 12, 2015, 03:25:03 PM
Black culture seems to be all about stereotypes.
I think it is generally easiest to describe any culture with its stereotypes, no?
Quote from: garbon on November 12, 2015, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: The Brain on November 12, 2015, 03:25:03 PM
Black culture seems to be all about stereotypes.
I think it is generally easiest to describe any culture with its stereotypes, no?
Yes, let's take the easy way out.
Quote from: Valmy on November 12, 2015, 01:54:07 PM
I will wait for our eyes and ears in Missouri, Raz, confirms or denies this report.
I've been busy all afternoon.
Quote from: The Brain on November 12, 2015, 03:25:03 PM
Black culture seems to be all about stereotypes.
Bork bork lutefisk.
Well, this is the incident that seemed to trigger this. Remarkably people who came to watch a parade were not that keen on it being interrupted by a Black Power protest where they lectured the crowd about things that happened in 1839.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6zwnmlzZSQ
Actually, I thought the trigger was the racist slurs on students earlier...the parade thing was a reaction to the non-action of the president...
Quote from: PDH on November 12, 2015, 11:19:48 PM
Actually, I thought the trigger was the racist slurs on students earlier...the parade thing was a reaction to the non-action of the president...
This is the beginning of the protest. They are making the case of institutional racism, the founding of the school in a slave state eventually leading to a drunk calling someone a nasty name.
Not sure if using a clenched fist as your logo is such a great idea if you want to reach out to get more people for your cause. Especially when your opponents already stereotypise you as violent and dangerous. :hmm:
Quote from: Martinus on November 13, 2015, 01:54:07 AM
Not sure if using a clenched fist as your logo is such a great idea if you want to reach out to get more people for your cause. Especially when your opponents already stereotypise you as violent and dangerous. :hmm:
Oh the ignorance, it hurts me.
Quote from: Martinus on November 13, 2015, 01:54:07 AM
Not sure if using a clenched fist as your logo is such a great idea if you want to reach out to get more people for your cause. Especially when your opponents already stereotypise you as violent and dangerous. :hmm:
Yeah, what has a raised clenched fist ever done for black power?
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 03:00:49 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 13, 2015, 01:54:07 AM
Not sure if using a clenched fist as your logo is such a great idea if you want to reach out to get more people for your cause. Especially when your opponents already stereotypise you as violent and dangerous. :hmm:
Oh the ignorance, it hurts me.
It's funny considering that a Polish athlete at the 1980s Olympics used a fist gesture to piss off the Russian hosts.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffreespeechdebate.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F07%2Folympics.jpg&hash=0183cac3b43447d6c504d29308df0c33d96d4e56)
Quote from: Syt on November 13, 2015, 08:42:08 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 03:00:49 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 13, 2015, 01:54:07 AM
Not sure if using a clenched fist as your logo is such a great idea if you want to reach out to get more people for your cause. Especially when your opponents already stereotypise you as violent and dangerous. :hmm:
Oh the ignorance, it hurts me.
It's funny considering that a Polish athlete at the 1980s Olympics used a fist gesture to piss off the Russian hosts.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffreespeechdebate.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F07%2Folympics.jpg&hash=0183cac3b43447d6c504d29308df0c33d96d4e56)
How's that comparable? So the US public is to blacks what Soviet Russia was to subjugated Poland? I am not sure I follow. :huh:
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 03:00:49 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 13, 2015, 01:54:07 AM
Not sure if using a clenched fist as your logo is such a great idea if you want to reach out to get more people for your cause. Especially when your opponents already stereotypise you as violent and dangerous. :hmm:
Oh the ignorance, it hurts me.
All I am saying that if one was a member of the general, white public not very well verse in the "Black culture", one could easily see this gesture as threatening.
Quote from: Martinus on November 13, 2015, 02:55:59 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 03:00:49 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 13, 2015, 01:54:07 AM
Not sure if using a clenched fist as your logo is such a great idea if you want to reach out to get more people for your cause. Especially when your opponents already stereotypise you as violent and dangerous. :hmm:
Oh the ignorance, it hurts me.
All I am saying that if one was a member of the general, white public not very well verse in the "Black culture", one could easily see this gesture as threatening.
Well good, it is supposed to be. :mellow:
I guess I just don't get the black culture. :(
Quote from: Martinus on November 13, 2015, 03:56:30 PM
I guess I just don't get the black culture. :(
They don't want white people to feel comfortable. White people should never feel comfortable.
Can't we all just feel comfortable? :(
Quote from: Tonitrus on November 13, 2015, 04:08:04 PM
Can't we all just feel comfortable? :(
No, I think that is sort of the point of all this.
Or rather yes it would be nice if we all could be, but we aren't there.
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 04:40:40 PM
Or rather yes it would be nice if we all could be, but we aren't there.
Yeah, that is my meaning...that we all get to a point where we can all be comfortable with feeling comfortable. :)
But I know that will never happen until Siege's singularity thing.
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 04:39:22 PM
No, I think that is sort of the point of all this.
This sort of thinking is fucked. If one yahoo yells nigger from his pickup, everyone else shouldn't pay the price.
Microaggressions put other poblems in the world into perspective, which I think is healthy.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 13, 2015, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 04:39:22 PM
No, I think that is sort of the point of all this.
This sort of thinking is fucked. If one yahoo yells nigger from his pickup, everyone else shouldn't pay the price.
If it was just one yahoo doing simply that sort of action, you wouldn't see all this.
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 06:38:49 PM
If it was just one yahoo doing simply that sort of action, you wouldn't see all this.
If three people yell nigger, that makes everyone else guilty of yelling nigger? I don't get the logic.
Quote from: The Brain on November 13, 2015, 06:36:28 PM
Microaggressions put other poblems in the world into perspective, which I think is healthy.
:D
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 13, 2015, 06:41:23 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 06:38:49 PM
If it was just one yahoo doing simply that sort of action, you wouldn't see all this.
If three people yell nigger, that makes everyone else guilty of yelling nigger? I don't get the logic.
I don't get that logic either. I guess that might be a problem with your hypothetical.
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 06:45:40 PM
I don't get that logic either. I guess that might be a problem with your hypothetical.
I think the problem lies with the people who base their actions on this logic.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 13, 2015, 06:41:23 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 06:38:49 PM
If it was just one yahoo doing simply that sort of action, you wouldn't see all this.
If three people yell nigger, that makes everyone else guilty of yelling nigger? I don't get the logic.
No but if others do nothing about three people yelling nigger then there is a problem.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 13, 2015, 06:48:04 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 06:45:40 PM
I don't get that logic either. I guess that might be a problem with your hypothetical.
I think the problem lies with the people who base their actions on this logic.
Perhaps you don't understand the logic of people who think a response of some sort is required.
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 06:38:49 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 13, 2015, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 04:39:22 PM
No, I think that is sort of the point of all this.
This sort of thinking is fucked. If one yahoo yells nigger from his pickup, everyone else shouldn't pay the price.
If it was just one yahoo doing simply that sort of action, you wouldn't see all this.
Could you give us a rough number on how many yahoos are needed? Because this occurred after two alleged incidents occurred this year.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 13, 2015, 06:49:01 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 13, 2015, 06:48:04 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 06:45:40 PM
I don't get that logic either. I guess that might be a problem with your hypothetical.
I think the problem lies with the people who base their actions on this logic.
Perhaps you don't understand the logic of people who think a response of some sort is required.
I don't think anyone here is questioning a response of some sort was required. Some people are, however, questioning whether a response that constitutes a veiled threat of violence to the general public was the appropriate one.
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 03:00:49 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 13, 2015, 01:54:07 AM
Not sure if using a clenched fist as your logo is such a great idea if you want to reach out to get more people for your cause. Especially when your opponents already stereotypise you as violent and dangerous. :hmm:
Oh the ignorance, it hurts me.
Because it is just so fucking true.
Quote from: Martinus on November 13, 2015, 07:43:23 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 13, 2015, 06:49:01 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 13, 2015, 06:48:04 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 13, 2015, 06:45:40 PM
I don't get that logic either. I guess that might be a problem with your hypothetical.
I think the problem lies with the people who base their actions on this logic.
Perhaps you don't understand the logic of people who think a response of some sort is required.
I don't think anyone here is questioning a response of some sort was required. Some people are, however, questioning whether a response that constitutes a veiled threat of violence to the general public was the appropriate one.
:huh:
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 13, 2015, 06:48:21 PM
No but if others do nothing about three people yelling nigger then there is a problem.
In the one case somebody else was present the other kid told him he shouldn't say that. And he did not shout it he drunkenly uttered it because he was fucking drunk and just saying shit. Or allegedly the facts of this case seem fuzzy.
What is an appropriate response to hearing that that word had been uttered? I honestly do not know what is expected. I mean obviously if a bunch of people are present the situation will get ugly but in both of these cases there were not.
QuotePerhaps you don't understand the logic of people who think a response of some sort is required.
Have you called the mounties on Grallon yet? It seems like he still roams free.
The problem is the people who think a response is required lack real concrete demands and they are hoping militancy will solve the problem. I also do not think what they are really mad about was a few anonymous cretins shouting slurs. It is the deeper structural institutional problems which are confounding and difficult for us to get our hands around. They are flailing around for something. I can certainly empathize with their frustration.
Or maybe not maybe they do really just want to be able to call the campus cops next time. But I don't think so.
Quote from: Valmy on November 13, 2015, 11:44:35 PM
The problem is the people who think a response is required lack real concrete demands and they are hoping militancy will solve the problem.
:huh:
Quote from: Valmy on November 13, 2015, 11:44:35 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 13, 2015, 06:48:21 PM
No but if others do nothing about three people yelling nigger then there is a problem.
In the one case somebody else was present the other kid told him he shouldn't say that. And he did not shout it he drunkenly uttered it because he was fucking drunk and just saying shit. Or allegedly the facts of this case seem fuzzy.
What is an appropriate response to hearing that that word had been uttered? I honestly do not know what is expected. I mean obviously if a bunch of people are present the situation will get ugly but in both of these cases there were not.
QuotePerhaps you don't understand the logic of people who think a response of some sort is required.
Have you called the mounties on Grallon yet? It seems like he still roams free.
The problem is the people who think a response is required lack real concrete demands and they are hoping militancy will solve the problem. I also do not think what they are really mad about was a few anonymous cretins shouting slurs. It is the deeper structural institutional problems which are confounding and difficult for us to get our hands around. They are flailing around for something. I can certainly empathize with their frustration.
Or maybe not maybe they do really just want to be able to call the campus cops next time. But I don't think so.
I don't think they are mad about some alleged racial slurs or actual institutional racism which they can't actually demonstrate occurring. They are mad about Ferguson. It seems that the big mover of this is named Jonathan Butler, (he's the one who was on the hunger strike). Butler is a rich kid from Omaha who became enraged at the Ferguson affair last year and is now refighting that battle. Of Course, the police in Columbia are not the police in St. Louis country. Columbia police are sort of a dopey Maybury type, and while they get into trouble doing stupid things like tazing a suicidal man so that he fell off the bridge he was threatening to jump from, or shooting some poor bastard's dog, they don't beat up protesters and try to avoid shooting people. So he's unlikely to get the big clash that occurred in North County.
I think in a lot of cases people just like being mad about something, because it is exciting. And when they get to their "safe space"/segregated culture centre, it becomes an echo chamber.
Are you saying that about this case? I don't think there is anything exciting about the state of race relations in America...and I can say that getting angry hasn't increased my excitement level.
I meant exciting in the broader sense - it puts one into a fight or flight mode, raises adrenaline levels, gives an illusion of meaning and purpose. Being a crusader makes one's life seem less shitty.
As for this particular case - I can't really comment on emotional responses as mine often are but I would like to be more calm and collected. So I would like to think that if someone yelled faggot at me I would get angry only initially and then realised I should not waste my time or breath on the troglodyte and moved on with my life.
http://www.amherstsoul.com/post/133122838315/amherst-uprising-what-we-stand-for
WUT
#5 gets 3 WUTS
LOL no kidding. What a bunch of fucking lunatics.
And the parody Twitter account
https://mobile.twitter.com/amherstuprising
At least I hope it's parody. :homestar:
Quote from: Martinus on November 14, 2015, 04:01:31 AM
I think in a lot of cases people just like being mad about something, because it is exciting. And when they get to their "safe space"/segregated culture centre, it becomes an echo chamber.
Are you speaking out of experience or just speculating?
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 14, 2015, 09:08:31 AM
And the parody Twitter account
https://mobile.twitter.com/amherstuprising
At least I hope it's parody. :homestar:
Poe's Law - any parody of extremism is indistinguishable from the extremism.