Poll
Question:
Do you attend your religion's services?
Option 1: I'm religious and I do attend services regularly.
votes: 11
Option 2: I'm religious and I do attend services occasionally (Easter, Christmas, etc.).
votes: 4
Option 3: I'm religious and I don't attend services.
votes: 3
Option 4: I'm not religious but I do attend services regularly.
votes: 0
Option 5: I'm not religious but I do attend services occasionally (Easter, Christmas, etc.).
votes: 9
Option 6: I'm not religious and I don't attend services.
votes: 31
Option 7: I worship at the altar of Jaron.
votes: 2
I thought about making a US/non-US split, but I didn't want to inflate the options even more. :P
Me: Not religious, not attending services.
Not religious, but I have attended weddings/funerals for people which are.
Last time I attended church outside of that was when my mother took me to Christmas Mass when I was a teenager. God was that boring.
No. No.
The most common reason for me to visit churches is tourism, though of course the occasional funeral or wedding is unavoidable.
I'm not religious but I attend weddings, christenings and funerals I'm invited to and occasionally the odd sing-along carol concert.
I regularly attend an English language service at a Methodist church in Daejeon.
Yes, a Methodist church regularly.
Not religious and do not attend religious services. But my old school was a religious school and every student had to attend morning assemblies. We sang a hymn every day and recited the Lord's prayer. Also did church services twice every year, just before Christmas and Easter. The majority of students and teachers were atheists but everybody went along.
Atheist here. Answered that I do not attend services, but I might, perhaps, do it *very* occasionally just out of curiosity. For example, a few years ago I was in Rome and attended a Catholic Mass in St. Peter's just because I happened to be there at the time. I've also attended a couple of Jewish ceremonies in the local synagogue.
I'm a nominal Lutheran at best and I gladly attend all the usual weddings, christenings, confirmations and funerals I'm invited to.
I've long since hunted down and murdered any edgelord Internet atheist tendencies with regard to my church attendance.
There is no option "I'm religious and I would attend religious services if they were available in my area." :P
I attended church every week until I turned 18. Only weddings and funerals since.
That's funny, T.
No and no, apart from the funeral stuff.
I used to attend when I was young but I don't attend services nowadays. There are barely any weddings in my family (when it happens it is mostly civil marriage) and funerals are most often not celebrated at church.
Not religious but I still usually go for Easter and Christmas and then will attend the random odd service or two throughout the year.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 05, 2015, 04:52:38 AM
Not religious and do not attend religious services. But my old school was a religious school and every student had to attend morning assemblies. We sang a hymn every day and recited the Lord's prayer. Also did church services twice every year, just before Christmas and Easter. The majority of students and teachers were atheists but everybody went along.
That's pretty much the same as my school. Though I did have additional obligations due to singing in the choir.
Not religious, occasionally.
Yes and yes.
Quote from: Syt on October 05, 2015, 04:02:37 AM
I thought about making a US/non-US split, but I didn't want to inflate the options even more. :P
Me: Not religious, not attending services.
I usually don't attend services, unless it is for funeral, marriages and other stuff like that.
Not religious. Weddings and funerals. I used to go to the Holy Eve mass as there was organ music and the boys choir to listen to and sing along. That gave a festive mood, but somehow we did not go in the last few years.
No and no
Not religious, no. I'm not particularly opposed to going for things like weddings or funerals, but the majority of the ones I attend are either non-religious or only tangentially religious (as in, say, a token religious officiant offering a prayer or two as part of a vastly secular ceremony).
Parents brought me constantly as a kid, but I don't go now. I don't get anything out of it. Some people like the group dynamic, and that's fine for them I guess. Plus, you can tell they tailor the services toward a particular demographic for business reasons and I am not in that demo.
Once in a great while, usually on vacation, I find an empty catholic church with the doors open and sit in there for a while. I like that about the papists. Our churches lock the door as soon as service is over.
Oh this is funny: The last church service I attended was while visiting my sis in law in Phoenix. It's a huge church with five or so different campuses. One pastor. We went to the place, a huge auditorium with adjacent event facilities, playgrounds and whatnot. Maybe a school. They had their own bands and everything, but when it came time to hear the sermon, the dude came up on a screen.
He was preaching his sermon to all the campuses via videoconference. I don't think he was actually at any of them. I asked my sis why she needs to go to church when you can just log in to the webcam and hear the service. "For the experience." The audience was 85% female. So I guess if you're a single religious dude there could be a point to it.
Sad to see the Church of Jaronianity has faded so much over the years.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 05, 2015, 02:21:56 PM
Oh this is funny: The last church service I attended was while visiting my sis in law in Phoenix. It's a huge church with five or so different campuses. One pastor. We went to the place, a huge auditorium with adjacent event facilities, playgrounds and whatnot. Maybe a school. They had their own bands and everything, but when it came time to hear the sermon, the dude came up on a screen.
He was preaching his sermon to all the campuses via videoconference. I don't think he was actually at any of them. I asked my sis why she needs to go to church when you can just log in to the webcam and hear the service. "For the experience." The audience was 85% female. So I guess if you're a single religious dude there could be a point to it.
:bleeding:
Though I have to say religion is partially a social experience. For some reason it is more intense when you are part of a mob. Burning heretics alone is just not the same.
It can still be fun by yourself.
I worship at the Temple of Reason.
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 05, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
I worship at the Temple of Reason.
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:wub:
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 05, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
I worship at the Temple of Reason.
There is a reason there is one letter difference between reason and treason.
Quote from: DGuller on October 05, 2015, 03:14:20 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 05, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
I worship at the Temple of Reason.
There is a reason there is one letter difference between reason and treason.
Wow, gosh, that's rather remarkable! :huh:
Naggers annoy me.
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 05, 2015, 03:22:11 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 05, 2015, 03:14:20 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 05, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
I worship at the Temple of Reason.
There is a reason there is one letter difference between reason and treason.
Wow, gosh, that's rather remarkable! :huh:
The more you know, the less you don't know. :smarty:
Quote from: Valmy on October 05, 2015, 03:14:14 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 05, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
I worship at the Temple of Reason.
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:wub:
Since the words are not separated, it seemed to me for an instant it was
Temple de la Déraison :blush: :lol:
Yes, and yes.
I even teach Sunday School to Middle Schoolers. :)
No, but I would previously go to Christmas services with my stepmom.
Quote from: Valmy on October 05, 2015, 03:14:14 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 05, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
I worship at the Temple of Reason.
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:wub:
:thumbsup:
Not religious and do not attend, though I actually do like going to certain types of religious services... I've enjoyed Unitarian services, Catholic services, Quaker services, and Jewish services. I also used to like to go to Lutheran services when my grandfather would conduct them in German.
Quote from: DGuller on October 05, 2015, 03:14:20 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 05, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
I worship at the Temple of Reason.
There is a reason there is one letter difference between reason and treason.
And a one letter difference between reason and former New England Patriots Super Bowl QB Tony Eason...
So a one letter difference between Eason and reason, and treason and reason...This links Eason to treason, with the connecting point of reason...You don't have to be Dan Brown to see the hidden message that the only "reasonable" explanation for this "coincidence" is that Eason was a leading edge of a treasonous plot by the Patriots to undermine America--the "Patriot" name likely chosen ironically.
Tom Brady, with his deflated balls, Ugg endorsements, and foreign born wife, is attempting to subvert our values. :hmm:
Quote from: alfred russel on October 05, 2015, 07:47:58 PM
Tom Brady, with his deflated balls,
I read a credible explanation by a statistic specialist the other day that suggests it is entirely possible it wasn't deflated on purpose, given the differences observed and previous fluctuations due to outside temperature and low sample of the other team's balls.
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 05, 2015, 03:12:27 PM
I worship at the Temple of Reason.
Lousy religion. After Zeno logically proved that time is an illusion the services go on for ever.
Quote from: merithyn on October 05, 2015, 05:55:09 PM
Yes, and yes.
I even teach Sunday School to Middle Schoolers. :)
Now that is fucked up.
I did not used to, but after moving to Utah I've become ever more spiritual and participatory in local religious ceremonies.
Quote from: Jaron on October 06, 2015, 12:15:43 AM
I did not used to, but after moving to Utah I've become ever more spiritual and participatory in local religious ceremonies.
Has it paid off?
Every Saturday and Sunday from Aug through January.
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 12:08:11 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 05, 2015, 05:55:09 PM
Yes, and yes.
I even teach Sunday School to Middle Schoolers. :)
Now that is fucked up.
The peer pressure for attending Sunday School when I was a kid was truly obnoxious (me and brother didn't attend, but most of our friends did), and probably a contributor for my general distaste of religion when I grew up. God (pun intended) has this country changed for good.
As some of you know I have mellowed out greatly about religion lately and generally think that people who get something good out of religion should not be discouraged from worship and living according with its tenets - as long as they do not try to impose their religious commandments on others.
But "teaching" religion to kids is where I draw the line - like sex and drugs, religion should be something that is done between consenting adults.
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 02:38:16 AM
As some of you know I have mellowed out greatly about religion lately and generally think that people who get something good out of religion should not be discouraged from worship and living according with its tenets - as long as they do not try to impose their religious commandments on others.
Congratulations on your 17th birthday Marti. :thumbsup:
Really, we should refrain from teaching children anything.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2015, 07:54:18 AM
Really, we should refrain from teaching children anything.
I am not sure about it. But we could at least refrain from teaching them lies.
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 08:06:01 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2015, 07:54:18 AM
Really, we should refrain from teaching children anything.
I am not sure about it. But we could at least refrain from teaching them lies.
That really depends on what you believe doesn't it?
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 02:38:16 AM
As some of you know I have mellowed out greatly about religion lately and generally think that people who get something good out of religion should not be discouraged from worship and living according with its tenets - as long as they do not try to impose their religious commandments on others.
But "teaching" religion to kids is where I draw the line - like sex and drugs, religion should be something that is done between consenting adults.
Have you ever met someone who found religion in adult life? I think society is better off with 10 religious people who were brainwashed in childhood than with 9 critically-thinking atheists and a neophyte.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2015, 08:08:44 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 08:06:01 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2015, 07:54:18 AM
Really, we should refrain from teaching children anything.
I am not sure about it. But we could at least refrain from teaching them lies.
That really depends on what you believe doesn't it?
Yes. Which is why we should probably teach only facts to children, instead of things that are not proven and vary based on a personal belief, shouldn't we?
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2015, 08:08:44 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 08:06:01 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2015, 07:54:18 AM
Really, we should refrain from teaching children anything.
I am not sure about it. But we could at least refrain from teaching them lies.
That really depends on what you believe doesn't it?
I think it depends on more on your tolerance for saying things that 80%+ of your fellow citizens will not like hearing.
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 02:38:16 AM
But "teaching" religion to kids is where I draw the line - like sex and drugs, religion should be something that is done between consenting adults.
Well doing anything with children is going to get you labelled Hitler by somebody.
Quote from: DGuller on October 06, 2015, 08:19:54 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 02:38:16 AM
As some of you know I have mellowed out greatly about religion lately and generally think that people who get something good out of religion should not be discouraged from worship and living according with its tenets - as long as they do not try to impose their religious commandments on others.
But "teaching" religion to kids is where I draw the line - like sex and drugs, religion should be something that is done between consenting adults.
Have you ever met someone who found religion in adult life? I think society is better off with 10 religious people who were brainwashed in childhood than with 9 critically-thinking atheists and a neophyte.
I disagree. Besides, it rather depends on the religion they find. Adult-life buddhists are quite agreeable.
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 08:21:00 AM
Yes. Which is why we should probably teach only facts to children, instead of things that are not proven and vary based on a personal belief, shouldn't we?
This is why I hate public school boards. This would lead to hours of furious accusations about who has the facts and who is evil. :lol:
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 08:22:14 AM
I disagree. Besides, it rather depends on the religion they find. Adult-life buddhists are quite agreeable.
But those raised Buddhists are evil?
The newly converted are actually typically the fanatics.
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2015, 08:21:44 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 02:38:16 AM
But "teaching" religion to kids is where I draw the line - like sex and drugs, religion should be something that is done between consenting adults.
Well doing anything with children is going to get you labelled Hitler by somebody.
Perhaps. But we probably can agree that teaching children how to swim will probably get you labelled Hitler by fewer people than, say, raping them, right?
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 08:27:52 AM
Perhaps. But we probably can agree that teaching children how to swim will probably get you labelled Hitler by fewer people than, say, raping them, right?
Depends upon how you teach them. Using the 'wrong' method of teaching will probably be equated to child abuse many times worse than rape by some obnoxious idiot on the internet.
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 08:21:00 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2015, 08:08:44 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 08:06:01 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 06, 2015, 07:54:18 AM
Really, we should refrain from teaching children anything.
I am not sure about it. But we could at least refrain from teaching them lies.
That really depends on what you believe doesn't it?
Yes. Which is why we should probably teach only facts to children, instead of things that are not proven and vary based on a personal belief, shouldn't we?
Well, that prevents you from teaching any thing like poetry, morality, manners, politics and a whole host of other things.
I once considered starting my own religion where evil is due to the incarcerated souls of the victims of a galactic emperor zooming around in space DC-9s, but I figure'd there's fuck all chance anyone would sign up.
Quote from: merithyn on October 06, 2015, 12:19:55 PM
:huh:
How so?
Oh he explains it. Read on :P
It is basically the whole 'religion is child abuse' thing.
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 02:38:16 AM
As some of you know I have mellowed out greatly about religion lately and generally think that people who get something good out of religion should not be discouraged from worship and living according with its tenets - as long as they do not try to impose their religious commandments on others.
But "teaching" religion to kids is where I draw the line - like sex and drugs, religion should be something that is done between consenting adults.
You might want to ask what I teach the kids before you burst a spleen. :)
My church is Unitarian Universalist, which is a humanist church. Our class is called "Coming of Age". We're providing a safe space for these middle schoolers to explore their own belief systems, morals, ethics, question what they've been taught, and to come up with their own statement of belief.
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 06, 2015, 12:15:36 PM
I once considered starting my own religion where evil is due to the incarcerated souls of the victims of a galactic emperor zooming around in space DC-9s, but I figure'd there's fuck all chance anyone would sign up.
Is the kind of nonsense they preach at the Temple of Reason?
Quote from: merithyn on October 06, 2015, 12:22:06 PM
You might want to ask what I teach the kids before you burst a spleen. :)
My church is Unitarian Universalist, which is a humanist church. Our class is called "Coming of Age". We're providing a safe space for these middle schoolers to explore their own belief systems, morals, ethics, question what they've been taught, and to come up with their own statement of belief.
BRAINWASHING!
You monster.
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2015, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 06, 2015, 12:15:36 PM
I once considered starting my own religion where evil is due to the incarcerated souls of the victims of a galactic emperor zooming around in space DC-9s, but I figure'd there's fuck all chance anyone would sign up.
Is the kind of nonsense they preach at the Temple of Reason?
It's the kind of nonsense we chat about at the pub afterwards, yes.
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 06, 2015, 12:27:41 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2015, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 06, 2015, 12:15:36 PM
I once considered starting my own religion where evil is due to the incarcerated souls of the victims of a galactic emperor zooming around in space DC-9s, but I figure'd there's fuck all chance anyone would sign up.
Is the kind of nonsense they preach at the Temple of Reason?
It's the kind of nonsense we chat about at the pub afterwards, yes.
Well clearly in their teachings they failed to tell you that the more ridiculous the basis for a religion is the more popular it will be.
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2015, 12:29:01 PM
Well clearly in their teachings they failed to tell you that the more ridiculous the basis for a religion is the more popular it will be.
You mean like scientology and raelians? "We're against all religions, so we'll act like a combination of the worst of them instead".
Quote from: merithyn on October 06, 2015, 12:22:06 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 02:38:16 AM
As some of you know I have mellowed out greatly about religion lately and generally think that people who get something good out of religion should not be discouraged from worship and living according with its tenets - as long as they do not try to impose their religious commandments on others.
But "teaching" religion to kids is where I draw the line - like sex and drugs, religion should be something that is done between consenting adults.
You might want to ask what I teach the kids before you burst a spleen. :)
My church is Unitarian Universalist, which is a humanist church. Our class is called "Coming of Age". We're providing a safe space for these middle schoolers to explore their own belief systems, morals, ethics, question what they've been taught, and to come up with their own statement of belief.
I doesn't matter, what your church is. He just hasn't thought through what he said.
Church service on Sunday is easy. The stuff they want you to do before and after is the hard part.
Quote from: Phillip V on October 06, 2015, 07:10:27 PM
Church service on Sunday is easy. The stuff they want you to do before and after is the hard part.
:unsure: drink coffee and chat with the other parishioners?
I'm generally cool with the singing (unless it's a total oddball hymn that no one knows) but it can be a chore at times to sit through a sermon.
Oh yeah, and the "greet your neighbors thing" usually creeps me out. Churches that hug totally creep me out.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 06, 2015, 08:07:25 PM
Oh yeah, and the "greet your neighbors thing" usually creeps me out. Churches that hug totally creep me out.
Then stay away from my church :P
Grown men cry at my church as well. We keep it real.
Quote from: Phillip V on October 06, 2015, 07:10:27 PM
Church service on Sunday is easy. The stuff they want you to do before and after is the hard part.
You got that backward. The before and after stuff is what you would have done anyway. The service is the time-consuming bit.
Quote from: Phillip V on October 06, 2015, 07:10:27 PM
Church service on Sunday is easy. The stuff they want you to do before and after is the hard part.
Sermons are dull, singing is dull. The only good part about church attendance is the pot luck dinners.
I enjoy the sermons and the music :unsure:
Best part of church attendance is the dolled up church girls.
I liked the way they dressed for school better.
I attend mass regularly. :pope:
Quote from: merithyn on October 06, 2015, 12:22:06 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 06, 2015, 02:38:16 AM
As some of you know I have mellowed out greatly about religion lately and generally think that people who get something good out of religion should not be discouraged from worship and living according with its tenets - as long as they do not try to impose their religious commandments on others.
But "teaching" religion to kids is where I draw the line - like sex and drugs, religion should be something that is done between consenting adults.
You might want to ask what I teach the kids before you burst a spleen. :)
My church is Unitarian Universalist, which is a humanist church. Our class is called "Coming of Age". We're providing a safe space for these middle schoolers to explore their own belief systems, morals, ethics, question what they've been taught, and to come up with their own statement of belief.
Ok, sorry, I withdraw my objection then. It actually sounds very useful. :hug:
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2015, 08:20:54 PM
Grown men cry at my church as well.
I guess that's one say of saying that you follow the Church of Pussy. :P
The occasional Christmas carol service.
There's a Afro-Carribbean church at the bottom of my road. Folk come in for miles to it. As far as I know it's 100% black. I'd actually like to go but I'm pretty sure that the services are 2 hours+ long.
Quote from: Martinus on October 07, 2015, 02:08:09 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2015, 08:20:54 PM
Grown men cry at my church as well.
I guess that's one say of saying that you follow the Church of Pussy. :P
Not everybody can be as macho as you :(
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 06, 2015, 08:07:25 PM
Oh yeah, and the "greet your neighbors thing" usually creeps me out. Churches that hug totally creep me out.
I *hate* this part of the service. It's the most awkward thing to do, and serves no real purpose. It's not like they'll chat with me around the coffee cake after, anyway.
Quote from: Martinus on October 07, 2015, 02:06:00 AM
Ok, sorry, I withdraw my objection then. It actually sounds very useful. :hug:
I was telling the RE director yesterday that it would be a useful class for adults, and they should look into an adaptation for Adult Ed. :D
Never been to a "hugging church".
Jewish religious services are very tedious, I found. And very lengthy. Much of the service is devoted to ritual praises of God in Hebrew - though on Yom Kippur, the most significant prayer is in Aramaic - which no-one but serious scholars speaks!
Quote from: merithyn on October 07, 2015, 08:54:53 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 07, 2015, 02:06:00 AM
Ok, sorry, I withdraw my objection then. It actually sounds very useful. :hug:
I was telling the RE director yesterday that it would be a useful class for adults, and they should look into an adaptation for Adult Ed. :D
I just found it amusing that Marty thought you were some fire breathing bible thumper given your post history here. 'Today's lesson will be why God blessed the White Race to rule over all others.'
Quote from: Malthus on October 07, 2015, 08:59:03 AM
Never been to a "hugging church".
Jewish religious services are very tedious, I found. And very lengthy. Much of the service is devoted to ritual praises of God in Hebrew - though on Yom Kippur, the most significant prayer is in Aramaic - which no-one but serious scholars speaks!
A long tedious ritualistic exercise using language nobody understands? Obviously it is just preparing Jewish youth for careers in the law.
Quote from: Valmy on October 07, 2015, 09:01:30 AM
Quote from: Malthus on October 07, 2015, 08:59:03 AM
Never been to a "hugging church".
Jewish religious services are very tedious, I found. And very lengthy. Much of the service is devoted to ritual praises of God in Hebrew - though on Yom Kippur, the most significant prayer is in Aramaic - which no-one but serious scholars speaks!
A long tedious ritualistic exercise using language nobody understands? Obviously it is just preparing Jewish youth for careers in the law.
:D
Actually, that comes from other aspects of Judaism - disputation over the arcane and (mostly) meaningless Halakhah rules. ;)
You alternate church people are so weird.
Quote from: Valmy on October 07, 2015, 09:00:15 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 07, 2015, 08:54:53 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 07, 2015, 02:06:00 AM
Ok, sorry, I withdraw my objection then. It actually sounds very useful. :hug:
I was telling the RE director yesterday that it would be a useful class for adults, and they should look into an adaptation for Adult Ed. :D
I just found it amusing that Marty thought you were some fire breathing bible thumper given your post history here. 'Today's lesson will be why God blessed the White Race to rule over all others.'
Yeah. I'm a recovering Catholic. I'm not exactly overly enthusiastic about organized religion on a good day.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 07, 2015, 09:26:48 AM
You alternate church people are so weird.
:)
In what way?
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 07, 2015, 09:26:48 AM
You alternate church people are so weird.
It is the alternative to the lies of the heretics.
Quote from: merithyn on October 07, 2015, 12:59:54 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 07, 2015, 09:00:15 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 07, 2015, 08:54:53 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 07, 2015, 02:06:00 AM
Ok, sorry, I withdraw my objection then. It actually sounds very useful. :hug:
I was telling the RE director yesterday that it would be a useful class for adults, and they should look into an adaptation for Adult Ed. :D
I just found it amusing that Marty thought you were some fire breathing bible thumper given your post history here. 'Today's lesson will be why God blessed the White Race to rule over all others.'
Yeah. I'm a recovering Catholic. I'm not exactly overly enthusiastic about organized religion on a good day.
Well, I'm a recovering spiritual-phobe and a former recovering Catholic. ;)
Quote from: Valmy on October 07, 2015, 09:00:15 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 07, 2015, 08:54:53 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 07, 2015, 02:06:00 AM
Ok, sorry, I withdraw my objection then. It actually sounds very useful. :hug:
I was telling the RE director yesterday that it would be a useful class for adults, and they should look into an adaptation for Adult Ed. :D
I just found it amusing that Marty thought you were some fire breathing bible thumper given your post history here. 'Today's lesson will be why God blessed the White Race to rule over all others.'
It was a knee-jerk reaction. I just haven't encountered anything like Unitarians in this country. Sometimes I am thinking I should move to the US, to a place like Oregon. :P
Not religious but I particularly enjoyed watching Mass in the cathedral in Assisi.
My main beef with Catholic mass (based on one data point) is the constant kneeling and getting up.
The churches are beautiful though. I spent my childhood going to church in places that looked like warehouses and school gyms.
The stuffy, incense-filled atmosphere of Catholic churches, which, while spiritually fulfilling made me feel nauseous constantly as a child, may have contributed to me abandoning the Catholic Church.
That, or the dick sucking thing.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 07, 2015, 04:27:22 PM
My main beef with Catholic mass (based on one data point) is the constant kneeling and getting up.
Yeah, but when you are just watching it that doesn't affect the viewer. I found the singing during the service quite beautiful. And when you watch in Assisi you get a number of Masses to choose from during the day as various religious tour groups come in. I sat there for hours listening to Mass being said, and sung, in a variety of languages.
Quote from: merithyn on October 07, 2015, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 07, 2015, 09:26:48 AM
You alternate church people are so weird.
:)
In what way?
I do not understand how, while shedding the more theological or fundamentalist parts of organized religion, one can still want to bother with all the theatre that religious entities have imposed on humanity for 3000 years.
That or I understand and you are all edging your bets.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 07, 2015, 06:48:25 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 07, 2015, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 07, 2015, 09:26:48 AM
You alternate church people are so weird.
:)
In what way?
I do not understand how, while shedding the more theological or fundamentalist parts of organized religion, one can still want to bother with all the theatre that religious entities have imposed on humanity for 3000 years.
That or I understand and you are all edging your bets.
Rituals have meaning. They have always had meaning. Being involved with a group of like-minded people who choose to share a ritual - whether god-oriented or not - often brings a feeling of peace and camaraderie.
For some, it's going to a church on Sundays (or Saturdays in a synagogue, or during a full moon in a forest); for others is Sunday football, or RPG Saturdays, or whatever.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 07, 2015, 06:48:25 PM
I do not understand how, while shedding the more theological or fundamentalist parts of organized religion, one can still want to bother with all the theatre that religious entities have imposed on humanity for 3000 years.
That or I understand and you are all edging your bets.
Edge my bets?
Because how else does one practice a religion? Have a message board? It just isn't the same. And brick and mortar churches require too much effort to troll and hack.
He means hedge. Frenchies can't hear the letter H.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 07, 2015, 04:27:22 PM
My main beef with Catholic mass (based on one data point) is the constant kneeling and getting up.
If you pretend to be Jewish, you're excused. :contract:
Quote from: DGuller on October 07, 2015, 07:40:22 PM
If you pretend to be Jewish, you're excused. :contract:
I was pretending to be Protestant but I didn't want to be the only knucklehead sitting when everyone else was kneeling.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 07, 2015, 07:47:31 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 07, 2015, 07:40:22 PM
If you pretend to be Jewish, you're excused. :contract:
I was pretending to be Protestant but I didn't want to be the only knucklehead sitting when everyone else was kneeling.
:hmm: Good point. I'd go to a funeral mass in that case, there will be far more non-Catholics there to keep you company.
It was a heavily Irish Catholic church and you really don't want to piss those people off, especially on their home turf.
Fun fact: it was Yo Yo Ma's church, but he didn't play that day.
Hmm, I really think I've only attended one genuine -- not counting weddings, funerals, or bar/bat mitzvahs -- religious service, a Christmas Eve mass my step-grandfather took me to when I was a kid. I was brought up to the communion line, but I had to cross my arms over my chest as a non-baptized. :ph34r:
But oddly enough, I might go to a Compline at the big Episcopalian cathedral in town this Sunday night, although that's also a choir concert.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 07, 2015, 07:55:19 PM
It was a heavily Irish Catholic church and you really don't want to piss those people off, especially on their home turf.
Fun fact: it was Yo Yo Ma's church, but he didn't play that day.
You should be okay so long as you aren't English. Or wearing Orange.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 07, 2015, 07:06:49 PM
He means hedge. Frenchies can't hear the letter H.
They can hear it if it's silent though aspirated ;) cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirated_h (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirated_h) :smarty:
QuoteIn French spelling, aspirated "h" (French: "h" aspiré) is an initial silent letter "h" that represents a hiatus at a word boundary, in this case between the word in question's first vowel and the preceding word's last vowel. At the same time, the aspirated "h" blocks the normally expected processes of contraction and liaison from occurring.[1] The name of this now silent "h" refers not to aspiration but to its former pronunciation as the voiceless glottal fricative [h] in Old French and in Middle French.
Not that Le Renard Gris is a Frenchie or even knows and uses the rule. :P
Huh. I learned a new meaning for the word "aspirate". The only meaning I knew involved big needles.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 07, 2015, 07:06:49 PM
He means hedge. Frenchies can't hear the letter H.
Yeah, it is really annoying when they speak English but do not pronounce "H" - you can sometimes hardly understand what they are saying.
Quote from: merithyn on October 07, 2015, 06:53:13 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 07, 2015, 06:48:25 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 07, 2015, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 07, 2015, 09:26:48 AM
You alternate church people are so weird.
:)
In what way?
I do not understand how, while shedding the more theological or fundamentalist parts of organized religion, one can still want to bother with all the theatre that religious entities have imposed on humanity for 3000 years.
That or I understand and you are all edging your bets.
Rituals have meaning. They have always had meaning. Being involved with a group of like-minded people who choose to share a ritual - whether god-oriented or not - often brings a feeling of peace and camaraderie.
For some, it's going to a church on Sundays (or Saturdays in a synagogue, or during a full moon in a forest); for others is Sunday football, or RPG Saturdays, or whatever.
This.
In 'ertford, 'ereford and 'ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly hever 'appen.
This just in: Martinus is close minded trash.
I've visited a lot of churches as I'm into history and architecture.
Going to actual services?....most of it was when I was a kid so off the top of my head:
1x with the cub scouts.
2-3 (?) times with school.
1-2 weddings.
1-2 christenings.
1-2 random occasions where I did for some reason.
It helps that pretty much nobody gets married in churches anymore and I don't go to funerals.
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2015, 08:20:54 PMGrown men cry at my church as well.
We keep it real.
:lol: ^_^