Sparked by a slate article, like so many topics on languish.
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/gentleman_scholar/2014/07/undershirts_and_fashion_should_a_gentleman_wear_a_t_shirt_under_a_dress.html
The article states that an exposed undershirt when wearing a dress shirt is a fashion faux pas. I found this immediately concerning, because I dress like that a lot. Alarmed, I started looking around and it seems most guys are doing the same as me--though not the europeans.
My general rule is that I lean toward crew necks, but if it is a dark shirt I sometimes go with a v neck that can't be seen. I tend to think that if you wear a v neck the undershirt should stay invisible. With a light shirt you can often seen the outline.
So what says languish?
White crew neck. Exposed sometimes. Seems not to be the thing with the young uns but don't care.
As stocky and hairy as I am? If the top button's not done, you'd better believe there's a white crew neck underneath. Young'uns be damned- I'm not skinny enough for the way they dress.
I wear a slip
I used to expose the undershirt proudly, to show that I can afford it. However, eventually I did hear that it's a fashion faux-pas, so when it was time to get a new undershirt, I got a v-neck.
Quote from: DGuller on July 16, 2014, 08:46:49 PM
I used to expose the undershirt proudly, to show that I can afford it.
:huh:
IN SOVIET RUSSIA, SHIRT WEARS YOU
V-necks are more convenient in any case. They're much easier to put on and take off, and I don't even need to take my glasses off to do it.
Don't wear undershirts.
Should a gentleman wear a t-shirt under a dress? Absolutely not.
I often wear t-shirts under dress shirts though, largely because I don't want to sweat through a powder blue button-up when it's hot, and because I don't want to shiver when it's cold. I went undershirtless today, however, for it was pleasant and I was wearing a dark purple shirt.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 16, 2014, 10:13:09 PM
I often wear t-shirts under dress shirts though, largely because I don't want to sweat through a powder blue button-up when it's hot, and because I don't want to shiver when it's cold.
Also, you can rewear the same shirt without putting it through the wash. :outback:
Depends if you sweat a lot.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 16, 2014, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 16, 2014, 10:13:09 PM
I often wear t-shirts under dress shirts though, largely because I don't want to sweat through a powder blue button-up when it's hot, and because I don't want to shiver when it's cold.
Also, you can rewear the same shirt without putting it through the wash. :outback:
:shifty:
It's true that I don't like to spend a lot of money to adhere to our "business casual" standard, which would make more sense if we saw clients more often than "maybe once, usually never." Although granted there was that weird client that sent two guys from their outside counsel to hang out with us for like a week, even though they made it obvious that the reason they were sent out was that they were junior lawyers (they were marginally-trained legal neophytes who also knew nothing about doc review).
I will say that one of them dressed sharp as a fucking tack. Never an undershirt, but only an always-pressed dress shirt with matching socks, his head crowned by an immaculate pompadour. Really good looking guy if you're into femmy twinks with a 50s flavor, and some folks are. I honestly am jealous of the little fucker's hair.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 16, 2014, 10:13:09 PM
Should a gentleman wear a t-shirt under a dress? Absolutely not.
I often wear t-shirts under dress shirts though, largely because I don't want to sweat through a powder blue button-up when it's hot, and because I don't want to shiver when it's cold. I went undershirtless today, however, for it was pleasant and I was wearing a dark purple shirt.
Ick. Those powder blue dress shirts tend to be almost transparent on me. Nobody wants to see my nipples, let alone my dark chest hair.
Agreed.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 16, 2014, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 16, 2014, 10:13:09 PM
I often wear t-shirts under dress shirts though, largely because I don't want to sweat through a powder blue button-up when it's hot, and because I don't want to shiver when it's cold.
Also, you can rewear the same shirt without putting it through the wash. :outback:
So undershirts are a good thing for poor people?
Quote from: alfred russel on July 16, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
The article states that an exposed undershirt when wearing a dress shirt is a fashion faux pas. I found this immediately concerning, because I dress like that a lot.
Jesus H. Titty Sprinkled Christ.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 16, 2014, 11:54:50 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 16, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
The article states that an exposed undershirt when wearing a dress shirt is a fashion faux pas. I found this immediately concerning, because I dress like that a lot.
Jesus H. Titty Sprinkled Christ.
What some people worry about. :lol:
Quote from: 11B4V on July 17, 2014, 12:01:24 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 16, 2014, 11:54:50 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 16, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
The article states that an exposed undershirt when wearing a dress shirt is a fashion faux pas. I found this immediately concerning, because I dress like that a lot.
Jesus H. Titty Sprinkled Christ.
What some people worry about. :lol:
I don't know why that wouldn't be common knowledge.
I wear A-Shirts. Otherwise known as vests (UK?) or unfortunately wife-beaters.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on July 17, 2014, 12:30:29 AM
I wear A-Shirts. Otherwise known as vests (UK?) or unfortunately wife-beaters.
See, I don't get that. Part of the purpose--at least for me-- of an undershirt is to help with containing perspiration, saving your dress shirt from an ugly death from armpit stains. Wifebeaters defeat that concept.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2014, 12:34:06 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on July 17, 2014, 12:30:29 AM
I wear A-Shirts. Otherwise known as vests (UK?) or unfortunately wife-beaters.
See, I don't get that. Part of the purpose--at least for me-- of an undershirt is to help with containing perspiration, saving your dress shirt from an ugly death from armpit stains. Wifebeaters defeat that concept.
Yeah, I don't know why, but they feel right. Though my pops has said I "look like a Puerto Rican" when I wear them. He wasn't really being negative with that, I should say.
Quote from: garbon on July 16, 2014, 10:44:51 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 16, 2014, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 16, 2014, 10:13:09 PM
I often wear t-shirts under dress shirts though, largely because I don't want to sweat through a powder blue button-up when it's hot, and because I don't want to shiver when it's cold.
Also, you can rewear the same shirt without putting it through the wash. :outback:
So undershirts are a good thing for poor people?
Fuck you. Your job will be gone soon and you'll wish you had a t-shirt.
I haven't worn an undershirt or vest or anything of he sort as a regular thing since I was a kid. Only ever somewhat do it, and usually with a second regular shirt rather than a special undershirt, on particular days when I'm working outside and it is cold.
QuoteI often wear t-shirts under dress shirts though, largely because I don't want to sweat through a powder blue button-up when it's hot, and because I don't want to shiver when it's cold.
Don't you sweat more on account of wearing two layers though?
What's an undershirt?
edit:
come to that, what's 'fashion'? :bowler:
I alway were a t-shirt under my shirts and they're normally exposed. Fuck fashion
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on July 17, 2014, 12:30:29 AM
I wear A-Shirts. Otherwise known as vests (UK?) or unfortunately wife-beaters.
Same.
Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2014, 12:19:35 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on July 17, 2014, 12:01:24 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 16, 2014, 11:54:50 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 16, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
The article states that an exposed undershirt when wearing a dress shirt is a fashion faux pas. I found this immediately concerning, because I dress like that a lot.
Jesus H. Titty Sprinkled Christ.
What some people worry about. :lol:
I don't know why that wouldn't be common knowledge.
Not all of us live in NYC and some of us are straight. :P
I'm going to see if I can take a survey on this today at the office. I bet a majority of straight American men have an undershirt exposed, but it may be close (some of us go back and forth). I also work in accounting, so that may skew things.
Undershirt and dress shirt is happening as we speak.
Quote from: Tyr on July 17, 2014, 04:36:01 AM
Don't you sweat more on account of wearing two layers though?
Not much more. It's like boxer shorts.
Undershirts :x
Men without undershirts when wearing a dress shirt, a casual shirt or a polo shirt are barbarians and should be purged.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2014, 08:26:39 AM
Undershirt and dress shirt is happening as we speak.
If you or anyone you know has information regarding the whereabouts of undershirt and dress shirt happening, please contact Slate immediately.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 17, 2014, 09:42:31 AM
Men without undershirts when wearing a dress shirt, a casual shirt or a polo shirt are barbarians and should be purged.
I thought only old guys wore an undershirt under their dress shirt. At least that was the way it used to be. But now that I am old I still don't. What is the point of doing that?
Flabbyness, shaggyness & uncomfortable fabrics.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 17, 2014, 10:08:13 AM
Flabbyness
Do undershirts help much with this? I've seen many cases where it looks like undershirt is trying to help hide what we all know.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 17, 2014, 10:08:13 AMshaggyness
Alternatively, don't have super thin shirts?
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 17, 2014, 10:08:13 AMuncomfortable fabrics.
Alternatively, don't purchase uncomfortable fabrics. :D
Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2014, 10:20:03 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 17, 2014, 10:08:13 AM
Flabbyness
Do undershirts help much with this? I've seen many cases where it looks like undershirt is trying to help hide what we all know.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 17, 2014, 10:08:13 AMshaggyness
Alternatively, don't have super thin shirts?
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 17, 2014, 10:08:13 AMuncomfortable fabrics.
Alternatively, don't purchase uncomfortable fabrics. :D
I don't think it hides anything but the psychological need is strong.
Have you been to wal mart lately? All clothes are super thing nowadays or uncomfortable.
Yes, I've been to Walmart a few times this year, but no, I haven't looked at the clothing.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2014, 09:53:54 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 17, 2014, 09:42:31 AM
Men without undershirts when wearing a dress shirt, a casual shirt or a polo shirt are barbarians and should be purged.
I thought only old guys wore an undershirt under their dress shirt. At least that was the way it used to be. But now that I am old I still don't. What is the point of doing that?
Keeps the inside of your shirt clean from all the dirt on your skin.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 17, 2014, 10:08:13 AM
Flabbyness, shaggyness & uncomfortable fabrics.
I am not fit as I once was but I am not sure how an undershirt would help with that. As for shaggyness, I have a fair amount of hair on my chest. The good news is I have read that is coming back into style. The better news is that does not interfere at all with wearing dress shirts. As for uncomfortable fabrics - there is an obvious solution to that. I quite like the feel of the fabrics I purchase. :P
If you are worried about a crewneck t-shirt showing at the open collar of a dress shirt, why not wear a tie?
Update on my survey.
Just left a meeting with 4 other men:
2 with crew necks
1 with a v neck
1 who was too obese and double chinned to make an assessment
Quote from: DGuller on July 17, 2014, 10:42:00 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2014, 09:53:54 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 17, 2014, 09:42:31 AM
Men without undershirts when wearing a dress shirt, a casual shirt or a polo shirt are barbarians and should be purged.
I thought only old guys wore an undershirt under their dress shirt. At least that was the way it used to be. But now that I am old I still don't. What is the point of doing that?
Keeps the inside of your shirt clean from all the dirt on your skin.
Wash and then eventually buy new shirts. So really purpose of undershirt (as long as not wifebeater type) seems to be just to make sure outer layer of clothing lasts longer.
Quote from: DGuller on July 17, 2014, 10:42:00 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2014, 09:53:54 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 17, 2014, 09:42:31 AM
Men without undershirts when wearing a dress shirt, a casual shirt or a polo shirt are barbarians and should be purged.
I thought only old guys wore an undershirt under their dress shirt. At least that was the way it used to be. But now that I am old I still don't. What is the point of doing that?
Keeps the inside of your shirt clean from all the dirt on your skin.
You should try taking a shower. With proper application of soap and a steady stream of running water the dirt from your skin is fairly easily removed. Failing that you can always wash your shirts after wearing them so as to remove the dirt accumulated from being worn. Eventually you will need to purchase a new shirt but you should do that anyway.
Quote from: Zanza on July 17, 2014, 01:10:51 PM
If you are worried about a crewneck t-shirt showing at the open collar of a dress shirt, why not wear a tie?
:x That's like curing a headache with a guillotine.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2014, 01:36:07 PM
You should try taking a shower. With proper application of soap and a steady stream of running water the dirt from your skin is fairly easily removed. Failing that you can always wash your shirts after wearing them so as to remove the dirt accumulated from being worn. Eventually you will need to purchase a new shirt but you should do that anyway.
:hmm: Sounds like you need to do both of those things regularly, so I'm not sure how that's an improvement over an undershirt. The advantage of an undershirt is that you have to buy it once, and you're set until you have to buy another one in a year.
Quote from: DGuller on July 17, 2014, 02:30:00 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2014, 01:36:07 PM
You should try taking a shower. With proper application of soap and a steady stream of running water the dirt from your skin is fairly easily removed. Failing that you can always wash your shirts after wearing them so as to remove the dirt accumulated from being worn. Eventually you will need to purchase a new shirt but you should do that anyway.
:hmm: Sounds like you need to do both of those things regularly, so I'm not sure how that's an improvement over an undershirt. The advantage of an undershirt is that you have to buy it once, and you're set until you have to buy another one in a year.
Yes, I do shower regularly. Hence the lack of need to protect my shirts from dirt.
I sometimes wear an undershirt, especially in winter or in places with heavy A/C. But I change that and the overshirt everyday, so it only increases the amount of laundry...
Quote from: Zanza on July 17, 2014, 02:37:17 PM
I sometimes wear an undershirt, especially in winter or in places with heavy A/C. But I change that and the overshirt everyday, so it only increases the amount of laundry...
I keep a sweater in my office for the days I need a bit more warmth.
Sweaters look silly with a jacket if your wear a suit.
Quote from: DGuller on July 17, 2014, 02:30:00 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2014, 01:36:07 PM
You should try taking a shower. With proper application of soap and a steady stream of running water the dirt from your skin is fairly easily removed. Failing that you can always wash your shirts after wearing them so as to remove the dirt accumulated from being worn. Eventually you will need to purchase a new shirt but you should do that anyway.
:hmm: Sounds like you need to do both of those things regularly, so I'm not sure how that's an improvement over an undershirt. The advantage of an undershirt is that you have to buy it once, and you're set until you have to buy another one in a year.
Do your shirts fall apart in less than a year if you wear them without an undershirt? :unsure:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2014, 12:34:06 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on July 17, 2014, 12:30:29 AM
I wear A-Shirts. Otherwise known as vests (UK?) or unfortunately wife-beaters.
See, I don't get that. Part of the purpose--at least for me-- of an undershirt is to help with containing perspiration, saving your dress shirt from an ugly death from armpit stains. Wifebeaters defeat that concept.
Agreed on all points.
Quote from: Zanza on July 17, 2014, 03:17:00 PM
Sweaters look silly with a jacket if your wear a suit.
Yeah, that is why only only wear it in my office.
If I need to meet with a client I just take it off. If I am in court I have my robes on. I dont need to wear an undershirt to be warm.
You pigs should be dumping your undershirts and white dress shirts every year anyway.
Not all of us can afford to be that wasteful. Some of us have families, you know.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2014, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Zanza on July 17, 2014, 03:17:00 PM
Sweaters look silly with a jacket if your wear a suit.
Yeah, that is why only only wear it in my office.
If I need to meet with a client I just take it off. If I am in court I have my robes on. I dont need to wear an undershirt to be warm.
Know whaty I hate? Hot stuffy courtrooms. In Toronto, that means 'most of them'.
I'm not often in court, but when I am, half the time I'm sweltering in my robes.
Quote from: derspiess on July 17, 2014, 04:30:46 PM
Not all of us can afford to be that wasteful. Some of us have families, you know.
I'm sure they'll work out the damage from Daddy's dirty undershirts in therapy.
Ring around the collar leaves stains, not just on the shirt, but on the psyche. Those you just cant Shout out, my friend.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 17, 2014, 01:16:48 PM
1 who was too obese and double chinned to make an assessment
Update: I saw this guy again and he seemed not to have an undershirt on at all, though it is possible he had a well concealed v neck.
I've failed to make a full survey, but informally think a slight majority of men wore crew neck undershirts.
Quote from: Malthus on July 17, 2014, 04:33:55 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2014, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Zanza on July 17, 2014, 03:17:00 PM
Sweaters look silly with a jacket if your wear a suit.
Yeah, that is why only only wear it in my office.
If I need to meet with a client I just take it off. If I am in court I have my robes on. I dont need to wear an undershirt to be warm.
Know whaty I hate? Hot stuffy courtrooms. In Toronto, that means 'most of them'.
I'm not often in court, but when I am, half the time I'm sweltering in my robes.
Yep, one day I hope to be a QC so I can wear the Silks rather than the heavy wool.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2014, 04:37:04 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 17, 2014, 04:30:46 PM
Not all of us can afford to be that wasteful. Some of us have families, you know.
I'm sure they'll work out the damage from Daddy's dirty undershirts in therapy.
Ring around the collar leaves stains, not just on the shirt, but on the psyche. Those you just cant Shout out, my friend.
I'm sure that probably all makes sense when you tell it to your cats.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2014, 04:39:47 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 17, 2014, 04:33:55 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2014, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Zanza on July 17, 2014, 03:17:00 PM
Sweaters look silly with a jacket if your wear a suit.
Yeah, that is why only only wear it in my office.
If I need to meet with a client I just take it off. If I am in court I have my robes on. I dont need to wear an undershirt to be warm.
Know whaty I hate? Hot stuffy courtrooms. In Toronto, that means 'most of them'.
I'm not often in court, but when I am, half the time I'm sweltering in my robes.
Yep, one day I hope to be a QC so I can wear the Silks rather than the heavy wool.
One guy I know even had his robes outfitted with pockets on the inside, and put cold packs into them. :lol:
He was a real "sweat-er" - that is, once he worked up a sweat, it would not stop, which was very irritating for him when he was trying to argue a case.
Quote from: Malthus on July 17, 2014, 05:01:41 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2014, 04:39:47 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 17, 2014, 04:33:55 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2014, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Zanza on July 17, 2014, 03:17:00 PM
Sweaters look silly with a jacket if your wear a suit.
Yeah, that is why only only wear it in my office.
If I need to meet with a client I just take it off. If I am in court I have my robes on. I dont need to wear an undershirt to be warm.
Know whaty I hate? Hot stuffy courtrooms. In Toronto, that means 'most of them'.
I'm not often in court, but when I am, half the time I'm sweltering in my robes.
Yep, one day I hope to be a QC so I can wear the Silks rather than the heavy wool.
One guy I know even had his robes outfitted with pockets on the inside, and put cold packs into them. :lol:
He was a real "sweat-er" - that is, once he worked up a sweat, it would not stop, which was very irritating for him when he was trying to argue a case.
I have side slits cut in mine under the pits down to about mid waist to help with ventilation.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2014, 05:12:35 PM
I have side slits cut in mine under the pits down to about mid waist to help with ventilation.
That's a damn good idea. Easier than cold packs, anyway.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2014, 04:24:22 PM
You pigs should be dumping your undershirts and white dress shirts every year anyway.
I don't wear white dress shirts very often. I'm informal that way now that I'm mostly setup in my home office.
Quote from: garbon on July 17, 2014, 03:18:22 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 17, 2014, 02:30:00 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 17, 2014, 01:36:07 PM
You should try taking a shower. With proper application of soap and a steady stream of running water the dirt from your skin is fairly easily removed. Failing that you can always wash your shirts after wearing them so as to remove the dirt accumulated from being worn. Eventually you will need to purchase a new shirt but you should do that anyway.
:hmm: Sounds like you need to do both of those things regularly, so I'm not sure how that's an improvement over an undershirt. The advantage of an undershirt is that you have to buy it once, and you're set until you have to buy another one in a year.
Do your shirts fall apart in less than a year if you wear them without an undershirt? :unsure:
Mine shrink and the top button won't button any more. :blush:
AND YES THEY REALLY DID SHRINK.
Quote from: derspiess on July 17, 2014, 04:59:07 PM
I'm sure that probably all makes sense when you tell it to your cats.
Save the breeder routine for someone it won't bounce off of.
Save the prepositions for the middle of your sentences.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2014, 06:28:05 PM
Save the prepositions for the middle of your sentences.
Save the breeder routine for someone it won't bounce off of, motherfucker. Happy?
I've read your reviews. "...And let he without split infinitives cast the first stone."
I'm just in a bad mood because I'm capped at 40 hours and could be making some extra blu ray bank this weekend. Maybe even buy a new shirt that fits my fucking neck.
I might've come up with a solution to that problem. I'm supposed to write a proposal. I do not know how to do that. -_-
Armpit stains don't come from sweat itself, they come from sweat reacting with anti-perspirants. In any case, you can get rid of stains with stain remover.
I've never had a shirt that became unusable from stains before the collar and cuffs wore out.
Incidentally, on the issue of sweating, I had a terrible problem with sweating under the arms constantly from about the autumn of last year through to this spring. Tried everything. What eventually fixed it completely was majorly cutting down my coffee intake. Which also sorted out my perpetual anxiety problems too. :ph34r:
I didnt know sweat stains were a problem. :unsure:
Giving thought to why I would never wear dress shirts without an undershirt, I'm not sure...but it would seem wrong not to. Does a starched shirt irritate the bare skin at all?
Also, isn't hairy chest just a bit less professional? You may be able to see it peek out between the buttons when someone sits down, or out the top of the shirt, or even through a thin white shirt...
Quote from: alfred russel on July 18, 2014, 12:38:50 PM
Also, isn't hairy chest just a bit less professional? You may be able to see it peek out between the buttons when someone sits down, or out the top of the shirt, or even through a thin white shirt...
no
If you're more than a moderate sweater, undershirt would absorb the sweat that would otherwise make your shirt visibly wet.
Quote from: DGuller on July 18, 2014, 12:56:42 PM
If you're more than a moderate sweater, undershirt would absorb the sweat that would otherwise make your shirt visibly wet.
What is it with you guys with your sweating and sweat stains. The only time I sweat is when I am involved in some kind of intense physical effort. How is it possible that you sweat sitting in an airconditioned office? We are talking about dress shirts here.
Some of us get a nice workout in during lunch and expect our undershirts to absorb all the sweat.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 18, 2014, 01:00:13 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 18, 2014, 12:56:42 PM
If you're more than a moderate sweater, undershirt would absorb the sweat that would otherwise make your shirt visibly wet.
What is it with you guys with your sweating and sweat stains. The only time I sweat is when I am involved in some kind of intense physical effort. How is it possible that you sweat sitting in an airconditioned office? We are talking about dress shirts here.
Well to be honest, it generally is hard to get around New York in summer (particularly when outside or waiting for subway train) and not sweat a fair amount. When I had a job interview in summer once, I wore my normal clothes and then changed into my suit at a Starbucks nearby to make sure I looked fresh.
Yeah, I walk to lunch most days so there are sweat issues during the summer.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 18, 2014, 01:00:13 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 18, 2014, 12:56:42 PM
If you're more than a moderate sweater, undershirt would absorb the sweat that would otherwise make your shirt visibly wet.
What is it with you guys with your sweating and sweat stains. The only time I sweat is when I am involved in some kind of intense physical effort. How is it possible that you sweat sitting in an airconditioned office? We are talking about dress shirts here.
People have vastly different propensities to sweat. Some sweat constantly, others barely sweat even during physical activity. Apart from that, even office drones occasionally step out of their office, and sometimes it's 100 degrees outside.
*waiting for CC and some fabulous report about Vancouver*
If people in the Pacific Northwest start feeling warm, they just take off their second sweater.
QuoteThe article states that an exposed undershirt when wearing a dress shirt is a fashion faux pas. I found this immediately concerning, because I dress like that a lot. Alarmed, I started looking around and it seems most guys are doing the same as me--though not the europeans.
My general rule is that I lean toward crew necks, but if it is a dark shirt I sometimes go with a v neck that can't be seen. I tend to think that if you wear a v neck the undershirt should stay invisible. With a light shirt you can often seen the outline.
I wear v-neck white t-shirts as I really don't like having the white t-shirt show under my dress shirt or other type shirt. I think it looks lousy, kind of dumb, but not really a big deal. I just don't like it. I especially dislike white t-shirts showing under a uniform, military or whatever. A colored t-shirt looks ok and I have no problem with wearing a crew neck colored t-shirt under other shirts.
Quote from: garbon on July 18, 2014, 01:16:18 PM
*waiting for CC and some fabulous report about Vancouver*
No shit. But he's a big guy, maybe he can jam 93 degrees and 85% humidity up his ass.
Quote from: garbon on July 18, 2014, 01:16:18 PM
*waiting for CC and some fabulous report about Vancouver*
:lol:
Here it is, I walk around our beatiful city most lunch hours without any issue with sweating. Relative fitness levels?
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 18, 2014, 03:12:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 18, 2014, 01:16:18 PM
*waiting for CC and some fabulous report about Vancouver*
:lol:
Here it is, I walk around our beatiful city most lunch hours without any issue with sweating. Relative fitness levels?
I just looked up Vacouver expected temps for the next few days. That's more like SF temps - ain't sweltering like it is here in New York.
So being fit makes it colder outside? :hmm:
Quote from: Ideologue on July 18, 2014, 03:45:22 PM
So being fit makes it colder outside? :hmm:
Here's what I could find quickly:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/538416-do-physically-fit-women-sweat-more/
QuoteSweat and Fitness Level
According to an article by Tanya Rouble, ACE-CPT, the amount that you sweat does not necessarily indicate your level of fitness. In some cases where it appears that less fit individuals sweat more while exercising, it is likely that those individuals are less able to cope with the demands of increased heat during activity and, thus, may sweat more. The American Council on Exercise adds that fit people tend to sweat more efficiently by sweating early in the workout when their body temperature is lower so that their bodies don't store extra heat.
Body Composition
Body composition and body type may be another contributing factor to the amount of sweat produced during exercise. A study published in the June 2011 issue of "American Journal of Applied Physiology" compared heat production in people of different fitness levels. The study showed that sweat rates depended on heat production from factors like body size and environment, not aerobic fitness. Those individuals with overall higher fat content and body mass were more likely to produce heat and, to compensate, sweated more.
That's fair. I forgot about the insulating properties of fat.
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*waiting for CC and some fabulous report about Vancouver*
:lol:
Here it is, I walk around our beatiful city most lunch hours without any issue with sweating. Relative fitness levels?
I just looked up Vacouver expected temps for the next few days. That's more like SF temps - ain't sweltering like it is here in New York.
Yeah, we just hit a cold bump. For the last week the temps have been around 30
Oh yeah, and as to the original issue, I agree that letting a crew-neck undershirt show under the dress shirt is a sartorial blunder.
I habitually wore a white crew-neck underneath my long-sleeve shirts (not dress shirts) until I was about 18 or 19, when I started to feel "something is just wrong with this" about how it looked, and so gradually transitioned to A-shirts.
So how's your trailer and your meth habit? Or your 1940s longshoreman job? (Choose your own joke!)
I don't wear crew necks unless I'm wearing a tie.
You should make a poll: Men, do you prefer the V or the C? :P