And rightly so.
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-26990999 (http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-26990999)
QuoteCommon People by Pulp is voted top Britpop anthem
Pulp hit Common People has been voted the top Britpop anthem by listeners of BBC Radio 6 Music, beating Oasis, Blur and Suede to take the title.
DJ Steve Lamacq revealed the top 30 as part of a week-long celebration to mark the 20th birthday of Britpop.
More than 30,000 people voted, with The Verve's Bittersweet Symphony second and Oasis tracks Don't Look Back in Anger and Wonderwall in third and fourth.
Their chart rivals Blur were in fifth place with Parklife.
QuoteBBC Radio 6 Music's Favourite Britpop Anthem
Common People by Pulp
Bittersweet Symphony by The Verve
Don't Look Back in Anger by Oasis
Wonderwall by Oasis
Parklife by Blur
Animal Nitrate by Suede
Girls & Boys by Blur
Slight Return by The Bluetones
Disco 2000 by Pulp
Girl From Mars by Ash
Wonderwall and Song 2 are the best.
Common People's not even the best Pulp song.
British music sucks. Like the food.
Holy crap that's a bad song
Not my cup of tea. When it comes to great British songs, this is what I have in mind -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdjYlrvVFNo
Quote from: HVC on April 11, 2014, 08:20:08 PM
Holy crap that's a bad song
I know, right? :wacko:
Solid choice :)
Not the best Pulp song, but probably their most iconic one.
I was a kid when all the Britpop stuff was happening. I always liked Pulp the most. In retrospect I think preferring the rather dapper Jarvis Cocker to the Gallaghers and Blur was probably an early sign of flaming homosexuality :lol:
Labyrinth - As The World Falls Down (David Bowie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VppuD1St8Ec
QuoteBBC Radio 6 Music's Favourite Britpop Anthem
Common People by Pulp
Bittersweet Symphony by The Verve
Don't Look Back in Anger by Oasis
Wonderwall by Oasis
Parklife by Blur
Animal Nitrate by Suede
Girls & Boys by Blur
Slight Return by The Bluetones
Disco 2000 by Pulp
Girl From Mars by Ash
The only band on this list I've heard of is Oasis.
Bittersweet Symphony was pretty common to hear on the radio in the 90s.
Westlife, My Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulOb9gIGGd0
Quote from: Monoriu on April 11, 2014, 08:49:05 PM
Westlife, My Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulOb9gIGGd0
<_<
One of my best friends dated a rich English twink whose mother had dated Jarvis Cocker in the late-80s and who studied sculpture at St. Martin's college.
This is one of my all-time favorites. I got all my friends in to Pulp my senior year. This is one of my all-time favorite albums.
I agree.
Pulp are so criminally underknown outside the UK. They're one of my favourites.
QuoteCommon People by Pulp
Bittersweet Symphony by The Verve
Don't Look Back in Anger by Oasis
Wonderwall by Oasis
Parklife by Blur
Animal Nitrate by Suede
Girls & Boys by Blur
Slight Return by The Bluetones
Disco 2000 by Pulp
Girl From Mars by Ash
Bluetoness? WTF?
And a little strange to see Girl From Mars there, I wouldn't count that as Britpop, though it is a good song, rather more typical teen rock/pop punk stuff.
Is Isle of Inisfree considered British?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xn7rjlOxfc
Quote from: garbon on April 11, 2014, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on April 11, 2014, 08:49:05 PM
Westlife, My Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulOb9gIGGd0
<_<
Post something you like then :contract:
Quote from: Monoriu on April 11, 2014, 10:18:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 11, 2014, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on April 11, 2014, 08:49:05 PM
Westlife, My Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulOb9gIGGd0
<_<
Post something you like then :contract:
If we're looking at britpop and loosely using what wikipedia lists as acts with "an established connection" (love it :D)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMaycNcPsHI
or if we are just looking at alt rock with british ties of some sort
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfpxux8jlQ4
I'll never understand it. For a country that can spawn such cool alternative rock, you English can't do fuck all with radio-friendly pop.
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Adele, Someone Like You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLQl3WQQoQ0
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 11, 2014, 10:36:56 PM
I'll never understand it. For a country that can spawn such cool alternative rock, you English can't do fuck all with radio-friendly pop.
:huh:
I think we all can think of plenty of British pop acts that have gotten radio play here.
Quote from: garbon on April 11, 2014, 10:39:32 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 11, 2014, 10:36:56 PM
I'll never understand it. For a country that can spawn such cool alternative rock, you English can't do fuck all with radio-friendly pop.
:huh:
I think we all can think of plenty of British pop acts that have gotten radio play here.
Excuse me:
good radio-friendly pop. Their shit over the last 25 years consistently sucks shit, and polluted our air waves. Oasis? Spice Girls? This Pulp shit?
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go flush out my frontal lobe with some Eurythmics.
QuoteI'll never understand it. For a country that can spawn such cool alternative rock, you English can't do fuck all with radio-friendly pop.
Britpop isn't pop.
And it has explosive diarrhea all over American music.
Britain sucks in a lot of ways, but alternative music is one area where we truly are the best.
Quote from: garbon on April 11, 2014, 10:27:32 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on April 11, 2014, 10:18:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 11, 2014, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on April 11, 2014, 08:49:05 PM
Westlife, My Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulOb9gIGGd0
<_<
Post something you like then :contract:
If we're looking at britpop and loosely using what wikipedia lists as acts with "an established connection" (love it :D)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMaycNcPsHI
or if we are just looking at alt rock with british ties of some sort
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfpxux8jlQ4
Placebo are awesome. But like Ash I'd just group them as a British rock band around at the same time.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 11, 2014, 10:43:53 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 11, 2014, 10:39:32 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 11, 2014, 10:36:56 PM
I'll never understand it. For a country that can spawn such cool alternative rock, you English can't do fuck all with radio-friendly pop.
:huh:
I think we all can think of plenty of British pop acts that have gotten radio play here.
Excuse me: good radio-friendly pop. Their shit over the last 25 years consistently sucks shit, and polluted our air waves. Oasis? Spice Girls? This Pulp shit?
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go flush out my frontal lobe with some Eurythmics.
I didn't realize you were already a fossil. :console:
Quote from: Tyr on April 11, 2014, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 11, 2014, 10:27:32 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on April 11, 2014, 10:18:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 11, 2014, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on April 11, 2014, 08:49:05 PM
Westlife, My Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulOb9gIGGd0
<_<
Post something you like then :contract:
If we're looking at britpop and loosely using what wikipedia lists as acts with "an established connection" (love it :D)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMaycNcPsHI
or if we are just looking at alt rock with british ties of some sort
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfpxux8jlQ4
Placebo are awesome. But like Ash I'd just group them as a British rock band around at the same time.
Oh I wouldn't really count them as Britpop either. Just thought it was funny that whole "established connection" bit. :D
Quote from: garbon on April 11, 2014, 10:46:26 PM
I didn't realize you were already a fossil. :console:
Don't mess with a missionary man. :mad:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 11, 2014, 10:47:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 11, 2014, 10:46:26 PM
I didn't realize you were already a fossil. :console:
Don't mess with a missionary man. :mad:
To your earlier statement - Adele, Amy Winehouse, Florence & The Machine.
Two out of three aren't bad. But I don't consider them BritPop.
QuoteBritain sucks in a lot of ways, but alternative music is one area where we truly are the best.
You punch above your weight, that doesn't make you better than America. We have Nirvana, Pixies, The Strokes, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Talking Heads and the God-King of all Alternative and Indie Rock, The Velvet Underground.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 11, 2014, 10:51:21 PM
Two out of three aren't bad. But I don't consider them BritPop.
You widened the scope to pop music from Britain.
If we want to get even more poppier - Calvin Harris had a decent amount of airplay with his recent work and there's Estelle though perhaps you would ghettoize her into hip-hop (aka black pop).
Quote from: garbon on April 11, 2014, 10:55:23 PM
and there's Estelle though perhaps you would ghettoize her into hip-hop (aka black pop).
Why would I categorize anybody who duets with Sean Paul and Kanye West as "black pop"? Don't be silly.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 11, 2014, 11:10:56 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 11, 2014, 10:55:23 PM
and there's Estelle though perhaps you would ghettoize her into hip-hop (aka black pop).
Why would I categorize anybody who duets with Sean Paul and Kanye West as "black pop"? Don't be silly.
That reminds me. I was thinking about how she sampled Faith and....George Michael!!! :w00t:
I liked Freedom, personally. Burning the Faith jacket = pretty cool.
OK, George gets a pass for BritPop.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 11, 2014, 08:29:56 PM
Solid choice :)
Not the best Pulp song, but probably their most iconic one.
I was a kid when all the Britpop stuff was happening. I always liked Pulp the most. In retrospect I think preferring the rather dapper Jarvis Cocker to the Gallaghers and Blur was probably an early sign of flaming homosexuality :lol:
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Quote from: Queequeg on April 11, 2014, 10:54:20 PM
QuoteBritain sucks in a lot of ways, but alternative music is one area where we truly are the best.
You punch above your weight, that doesn't make you better than America. We have Nirvana, Pixies, The Strokes, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Talking Heads and the God-King of all Alternative and Indie Rock, The Velvet Underground.
Joy Division >>>>> Nirvana (Hate Nirvana)
The Smiths = Pixies (very different but of an era and equally good)
The Strokes- yeah, no equivalent band with a similar feel comes to mind for me. America was best for those few years.
Bloc Party > Yeah Yeah Yeahs
David Bowie/Gang of Four > Talking Heads
The Beatles> Velvet Underground (never really liked VU TBH...nor the Beatles but meh)
America has a better track record with rap and other stuff (historically at least...modern rap...no), but alt rock is Britain's.
Quote from: Tyr on April 11, 2014, 11:32:14 PM
Joy Division >>>>> Nirvana
Apples /= Oranges
Quote(Hate Nirvana)
Hate you back.
Bah - Pulp didn't even record the best version of that song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ainyK6fXku0&feature=kp
QuoteThe Smiths = Pixies (very different but of an era and equally good)
Not really. Pixies were way better, and they are pretty much of the same era-3 years between The Smiths and Come On, Pilgrim
QuoteBloc Party > Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Completely wrong. Karen O is a far greater presence, and Fever to Tell as responsible for the 2000s Indie music takeoff as any single album, including The Strokes' Is This It. Bloc Party is stupid.
QuoteDavid Bowie/Gang of Four > Talking Heads
Apples/oranges. Bowie is a light unto generations, and close to singular in his dominance over multiple decades of pop, and then as his honored position of Godfather for Indie acts like TV on the Radio, but Talking Heads is maybe the best New Wave band, par non. Though TBH I think an argument can be made that Talking Heads was both British and American.
QuoteThe Beatles> Velvet Underground (never really liked VU TBH...nor the Beatles but meh)
1) I don't agree with this
2) You said Alternative. VU created Alternative.
I have to say I like The Smiths better than The Pixies.
I agree that David Bowie to Talking Heads is a very odd comparison.
For the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, I actually think It's Blitz is the more interesting album.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 11, 2014, 11:49:20 PM
QuoteThe Smiths = Pixies (very different but of an era and equally good)
Not really. Pixies were way better, and they are pretty much of the same era-3 years between The Smiths and Come On, Pilgrim
Disagree.
Both are great but with Pixies...I don't know. Listen to several (definitely not all) of the albums and it is just rather bland. The Smiths, maybe due to burning so bright so quickly, don't have much of this. There's just something about The Smiths that makes them so much more iconic too, perhaps going beyond music here.
Quote
Completely wrong. Karen O is a far greater presence, and Fever to Tell as responsible for the 2000s Indie music takeoff as any single album, including The Strokes' Is This It. Bloc Party is stupid.
I totally give the 2000s revival honour to The Strokes (and The White Stripes). With some credit to Franz Ferdinand for the art rock thing.
Yeah Yeah Yeahs...they're on the fringe of the big names for me
Quote
Apples/oranges. Bowie is a light unto generations, and close to singular in his dominance over multiple decades of pop, and then as his honored position of Godfather for Indie acts like TV on the Radio, but Talking Heads is maybe the best New Wave band, par non. Though TBH I think an argument can be made that Talking Heads was both British and American.
I came up with two better than the Talking Heads as I couldnt' think of an exact British approximation. Gang of Four were for the rockier stuff and Bowie for the pop.
Talking Heads...They have some great songs, but they go too far down the pop route overall and on average don't come out so well.
Quote
1) I don't agree with this
2) You said Alternative. VU created Alternative.
The Beatles created 'altnerative' too with their later and weirder stuff.
Perhaps The Who would be a better comparison due to their rockier and more rebellious image.
The Velvet Underground just didn't have too much direct influence in the UK. Only via a very round about route of influencing American punk does it eventually reach our music.
Uh, Bowie?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bowie
Quote from: The Larch on April 11, 2014, 06:58:21 PM
And rightly so.
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-26990999 (http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-26990999)
QuoteCommon People by Pulp is voted top Britpop anthem
Pulp hit Common People has been voted the top Britpop anthem by listeners of BBC Radio 6 Music, beating Oasis, Blur and Suede to take the title.
DJ Steve Lamacq revealed the top 30 as part of a week-long celebration to mark the 20th birthday of Britpop.
More than 30,000 people voted, with The Verve's Bittersweet Symphony second and Oasis tracks Don't Look Back in Anger and Wonderwall in third and fourth.
Their chart rivals Blur were in fifth place with Parklife.
QuoteBBC Radio 6 Music's Favourite Britpop Anthem
Common People by Pulp
Bittersweet Symphony by The Verve
Don't Look Back in Anger by Oasis
Wonderwall by Oasis
Parklife by Blur
Animal Nitrate by Suede
Girls & Boys by Blur
Slight Return by The Bluetones
Disco 2000 by Pulp
Girl From Mars by Ash
Decent list. Though I would have liked to see Blur's Country House up there - but I guess it's not as popular as Boys & Girls or Parklife.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 11, 2014, 07:05:42 PM
Wonderwall and Song 2 are the best.
Common People's not even the best Pulp song.
Yep.
Quote from: The Larch on April 11, 2014, 06:58:21 PM
QuoteBBC Radio 6 Music's Favourite Britpop Anthem
Common People by Pulp
Bittersweet Symphony by The Verve
Don't Look Back in Anger by Oasis
Wonderwall by Oasis
Parklife by Blur
Animal Nitrate by Suede
Girls & Boys by Blur
Slight Return by The Bluetones
Disco 2000 by Pulp
Girl From Mars by Ash
Too much Suede. Ash' "Girl From Mars" was brilliant. And The Verve... :yucky: :glare:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 11, 2014, 10:51:21 PM
Two out of three aren't bad. But I don't consider them BritPop.
Me neither. Britpop had a specific timeframe; the early to late 90s. Also, the bands were what had earlier been categorised as indie bands.
Now, the Brits churn out "indie" bands at an alarming rate. It's like the music industry has an almost incestious relationship with indie bands.
I miss the 90s. The dark clothes, bootcut jeans. Going to smoke-filled clubs where it was hard to see the difference between those who wore ugly clothes ironically and those who admittedly had poor taste.
I also miss being size M and 32/32.
Surely on the British count of amazing alternative bands one has to include Radiohead?
"Not Britpop", I suppose.
But, yeah, Karma Police or High and Dry should be there.
I was talking about the ensuing thread discussion about yank vs brit bands, but yeah, I'd say "Creep" is a great song from the 90s - it got plenty of airtime over here.
If we're spilling into other genres, electronic music comes to mind. And the Yanks don't stand a chance: Massive Attack, Chemical Brothers, The Prodigy, Fat Boy Slim ...
Quote from: Iormlund on April 12, 2014, 05:33:18 AM
If we're spilling into other genres, electronic music comes to mind. And the Yanks don't stand a chance: Massive Attack, Chemical Brothers, The Prodigy, Fat Boy Slim ...
Considering our massive advantage in hiphop, r&b, country and jazz, I think it behooves the Brits to keep the focus on rock.
I also think Britain has squandered its early advantage by having few bands of import emerge since 1980 and even fewer since 1990. Britain's top 4 rock bands of the 90s aren't even as good as
Seattle's top 4 rock bands of the 90s. Radiohead and Oasis are ok, but hardly worthy of iconography. Considering this is a country that gave the world the Beatles, the Stones, the Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Elton John and David Bowie all in the span of about a decade, they can do much better.
Common People is no Short People.
Small people is best people.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 12, 2014, 06:52:26 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on April 12, 2014, 05:33:18 AM
If we're spilling into other genres, electronic music comes to mind. And the Yanks don't stand a chance: Massive Attack, Chemical Brothers, The Prodigy, Fat Boy Slim ...
Considering our massive advantage in hiphop, r&b, country and jazz, I think it behooves the Brits to keep the focus on rock.
I also think Britain has squandered its early advantage by having few bands of import emerge since 1980 and even fewer since 1990. Britain's top 4 rock bands of the 90s aren't even as good as Seattle's top 4 rock bands of the 90s. Radiohead and Oasis are ok, but hardly worthy of iconography. Considering this is a country that gave the world the Beatles, the Stones, the Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Elton John and David Bowie all in the span of about a decade, they can do much better.
I sort of agree. Radiohead may be on the level of influence of Pearl Jam. Oasis was huge in 1994-95-96. Then they sort of petered out after starting to believe their own hype. None of the typical britpop bands have made much of a lasting impression. It's worth noting that Happy Mondays and Pulp were earlier than most of what is considered the britpop heyday.
For me, with no horse in the race, I like both American and British music. Even Swedish.
Sweden is factually and quality wise number 3
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 12, 2014, 06:52:26 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on April 12, 2014, 05:33:18 AM
If we're spilling into other genres, electronic music comes to mind. And the Yanks don't stand a chance: Massive Attack, Chemical Brothers, The Prodigy, Fat Boy Slim ...
Considering our massive advantage in hiphop, r&b, country and jazz, I think it behooves the Brits to keep the focus on rock.
I also think Britain has squandered its early advantage by having few bands of import emerge since 1980 and even fewer since 1990. Britain's top 4 rock bands of the 90s aren't even as good as Seattle's top 4 rock bands of the 90s. Radiohead and Oasis are ok, but hardly worthy of iconography. Considering this is a country that gave the world the Beatles, the Stones, the Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Elton John and David Bowie all in the span of about a decade, they can do much better.
I think 'we' can deservedly rest on our laurels. :bowler:
Ok, Pedal Spice.
Quote from: Iormlund on April 12, 2014, 05:33:18 AM
If we're spilling into other genres, electronic music comes to mind. And the Yanks don't stand a chance: Massive Attack, Chemical Brothers, The Prodigy, Fat Boy Slim ...
You forgot the biggies in NY mind; Gary Numan and Brian Eno.
However, our advantage in Hip Hop, R&B, Motown and Jazz is near total.
Hard to make Motown outside of Motown. :sleep:
Quote from: Norgy on April 12, 2014, 04:40:28 AM
I also miss being size M and 32/32.
Preach it. :(
Although technically I can still fit in a 32 waist. And have had to due to a refusal to wholsesale replace my dress clothes. :grr:
Nana Mouskouri - Song for Liberty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTo0Inuvlxk
Rule, Britannia!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XPHL4Q86t4
Quote from: Monoriu on April 12, 2014, 10:22:46 AM
Nana Mouskouri - Song for Liberty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTo0Inuvlxk
Childhood trauma coming back to haunt me. Nana Mouskouri was a regular guest on German television.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwKYYucyTI
And the horrible clapping on all those interminable junk music shows. AAAARGH!!!! :bleeding:
You know, I always thought it was normal for people of my parents' generation to like that, and Volksmusik, and Schlager. Later I realized that in fact they were the exception. :weep:
Anyways, I prefer the original, "Va Pensiero", from Verdi's Aida:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzdDf9hKfJw
Going back to the original topic, the list was complied from a shortlist of 40 songs chosen beforehand. The full list can be seen here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0400kk4/live
Generally speaking the list is a good representative of the era, with the notable exception of Paul Weller's 'The Changing Man' which shouldn't have been included.
QuoteNumber 25 - Dodgy - Staying out for the summer
Way too low for such a perfect pop song.
Quote from: Syt on April 12, 2014, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on April 12, 2014, 10:22:46 AM
Nana Mouskouri - Song for Liberty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTo0Inuvlxk
Childhood trauma coming back to haunt me. Nana Mouskouri was a regular guest on German television.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwKYYucyTI
And the horrible clapping on all those interminable junk music shows. AAAARGH!!!! :bleeding:
You know, I always thought it was normal for people of my parents' generation to like that, and Volksmusik, and Schlager. Later I realized that in fact they were the exception. :weep:
Anyways, I prefer the original, "Va Pensiero", from Verdi's Aida:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzdDf9hKfJw
I love Nana Mouskouri. She singing Let it Be -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPSD9Bon-2Y
I didn't realise that Song for Liberty and Va Pensiero share the same melody. I in fact have both on my playlist. Va Pensiero = excised.
Quote from: Queequeg on April 12, 2014, 09:17:50 AM
However, our advantage in Hip Hop, R&B, Motown and Jazz is near total.
Oh undoubtedly. Though having said that I do think an asterisk should be put on Soul just for Dusty in Memphis, which I think is a perfect album :wub:
I always find American rock a bit butch for me.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 12, 2014, 08:23:17 PM
I do think an asterisk should be put on Soul just for Dusty in Memphis, which I think is a perfect album :wub:
:yes: :wub:
Quote from: Queequeg on April 12, 2014, 09:17:50 AM
However, our advantage in Hip Hop, R&B, Motown and Jazz is near total.
But the British have always been the best appreciators of that music. Of American music generally. Northern Soul obviously, re: Motown/soul, but also the extreme subcultural devotion to country ("C&W"), Dixieland ("trad jazz"), Chicago house, etc., etc. Not including the oft-retold tale of the 60s subculture interest in blues, rockabilly, hell even "skiffle."
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 12, 2014, 11:16:24 PM
But the British have always been the best appreciators of that music. Of American music generally. Northern Soul obviously, re: Motown/soul, but also the extreme subcultural devotion to country ("C&W"), Dixieland ("trad jazz"), Chicago house, etc., etc. Not including the oft-retold tale of the 60s subculture interest in blues, rockabilly, hell even "skiffle."
What in the world are you basing this one? :huh:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 13, 2014, 04:52:06 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 12, 2014, 11:16:24 PM
But the British have always been the best appreciators of that music. Of American music generally. Northern Soul obviously, re: Motown/soul, but also the extreme subcultural devotion to country ("C&W"), Dixieland ("trad jazz"), Chicago house, etc., etc. Not including the oft-retold tale of the 60s subculture interest in blues, rockabilly, hell even "skiffle."
What in the world are you basing this one? :huh:
The examples he gives - Northern Soul which was a subculture in England of dance halls playing soul way into the late 70s. It was noticed when football fans from the North would come down to London and raid the soul shops but they weren't interested in any of the modern stuff which was smoother, more well arranged and a bit slower. They want the uptempo, often pretty brassy old-school tracks from the sixties and were really into Tamla Motown and specific regional recording studios. They were all about collecting really rare singles and obscure labels.
Similarly in the 50s and 60s in the UK (when the US was moving on) there was a big revival of interest in Dixieland jazz and obviously the Stones were originally Blues geeks and the Beatles were originally a skiffle band. Chicago House kicked off the summer of love over here :lol:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 13, 2014, 04:52:06 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 12, 2014, 11:16:24 PM
But the British have always been the best appreciators of that music. Of American music generally. Northern Soul obviously, re: Motown/soul, but also the extreme subcultural devotion to country ("C&W"), Dixieland ("trad jazz"), Chicago house, etc., etc. Not including the oft-retold tale of the 60s subculture interest in blues, rockabilly, hell even "skiffle."
What in the world are you basing this one? :huh:
Free?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 12, 2014, 06:52:26 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on April 12, 2014, 05:33:18 AM
If we're spilling into other genres, electronic music comes to mind. And the Yanks don't stand a chance: Massive Attack, Chemical Brothers, The Prodigy, Fat Boy Slim ...
Considering our massive advantage in hiphop, r&b, country and jazz, I think it behooves the Brits to keep the focus on rock.
I also think Britain has squandered its early advantage by having few bands of import emerge since 1980 and even fewer since 1990. Britain's top 4 rock bands of the 90s aren't even as good as Seattle's top 4 rock bands of the 90s. Radiohead and Oasis are ok, but hardly worthy of iconography. Considering this is a country that gave the world the Beatles, the Stones, the Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Elton John and David Bowie all in the span of about a decade, they can do much better.
Blur and Radiohead are important bands even if I'm not the biggest fan of the latter. Seattle's top four rock bands of the 1990s were ultimately a musical dead end - who is really influenced by grunge these days?
I think one of the problems these days in comparing the influence of bands is that the music scene is so fragmented that you don't really get pan-cohort "must listen" albums. When I was younger, Pearl Jam was my favourite band but I sure knew the words to all the Nirvana songs (even if I knew not what they meant) as well as all the other big groups of the early 1990s. So a big band would have more of an effect on a larger number of listeners. But now everyone tends towards their own niche and there are very few broadly listened-to rock albums. So an exciting and incredibly experimental band like Late of the Pier, who in another era may have become The Next Big Thing, remain in their hipster audience niche. I think the Strokes were the last rock band to have a generational impact, and that was their 2001 album that did it.
There's also the point that really Europe as a whole got bored with guitar-based music and creative talent seems to go into the electronic genres. So in East London where the exciting stuff happens, it's all about snyths, snyths and more synths. Fucking hipsters.
John Cage was right, 'we live in a time I think not of mainstream, but of many streams, or even, if you insist upon a river of time, that we have come to a delta, maybe even beyond delta to an ocean which is going back to the skies.'
Quote from: Warspite on April 13, 2014, 06:25:13 AM
There's also the point that really Europe as a whole got bored with guitar-based music and creative talent seems to go into the electronic genres. So in East London where the exciting stuff happens, it's all about snyths, snyths and more synths. Fucking hipsters.
Yeah, here it's mostly hiphop. /sigh
Also, I'd say in a way grunge was Rock's swan song. The relative handful of bands still producing great *Rock* music(White Stripes, Muse, Black Keys, Three Days Grace et al.) definitely seem to be strongly influenced by it.
QuoteHowever, our advantage in Hip Hop, R&B, Motown and Jazz is near total.
I wouldn't be too sure on hip hop.
Traditionally that was America all the way, no contest at all, but lately American stuff has been quite roundly crap whilst there has been some quite good stuff in Europe. I can't stand anything American from the past 10 years or so, have to go back another 10 years or so for the awesome stuff. Some British rap is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me though.
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There's also the point that really Europe as a whole got bored with guitar-based music and creative talent seems to go into the electronic genres. So in East London where the exciting stuff happens, it's all about snyths, snyths and more synths. Fucking hipsters.
Yeah, in American exchange students i've encountered that. They're into the generic mundane club music that everyone is into yet speak as if they're regarded as weird for this.
It would be interesting to experience a country where rock is the norm.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 11, 2014, 08:41:37 PM
QuoteBBC Radio 6 Music's Favourite Britpop Anthem
Common People by Pulp
Bittersweet Symphony by The Verve
Don't Look Back in Anger by Oasis
Wonderwall by Oasis
Parklife by Blur
Animal Nitrate by Suede
Girls & Boys by Blur
Slight Return by The Bluetones
Disco 2000 by Pulp
Girl From Mars by Ash
The only band on this list I've heard of is Oasis.
How young are you.
To the OP, good choice. :thumbsup:
I think the question should be how old are we. :Embarrass:
After flicking through my CD collection (yes, we bought music in a physical format before), I found outrageous amounts of British and American indie and punk.
Quote from: Norgy on April 13, 2014, 03:17:33 PM
After flicking through my CD collection (yes, we bought music in a physical format before), I found outrageous amounts of British and American indie and punk.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Warspite on April 13, 2014, 06:25:13 AM
There's also the point that really Europe as a whole got bored with guitar-based music and creative talent seems to go into the electronic genres. So in East London where the exciting stuff happens, it's all about snyths, snyths and more synths. Fucking hipsters.
Huh? Brit electronic music scene pre-dates hipsters by a few decades.
Quote from: Iormlund on April 13, 2014, 03:37:28 PM
Quote from: Warspite on April 13, 2014, 06:25:13 AM
There's also the point that really Europe as a whole got bored with guitar-based music and creative talent seems to go into the electronic genres. So in East London where the exciting stuff happens, it's all about snyths, snyths and more synths. Fucking hipsters.
Huh? Brit electronic music scene pre-dates hipsters by a few decades.
:unsure:
Believe it or not, Tim was a teenager during the mid-late 90s, so of prime age for Britpop. Not all that much of it made it over to our shores, in my experience, but certainly more than just Oasis. Blur was big; as garbon said, "Bittersweet Symphony" was in constant FM rotation; I remember seeing that Pulp 'This Is Harcore' promo at every record store I went to for a while...
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 12, 2014, 11:16:24 PMBut the British have always been the best appreciators of that music. Of American music generally. Northern Soul obviously, re: Motown/soul, but also the extreme subcultural devotion to country ("C&W"), Dixieland ("trad jazz"), Chicago house, etc., etc. Not including the oft-retold tale of the 60s subculture interest in blues, rockabilly, hell even "skiffle."
:cheers:
The Beatles' first recording was with Tommy Sheridan, who supposedly was a skiffle idol.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 13, 2014, 04:24:23 PM
Believe it or not, Tim was a teenager during the mid-late 90s, so of prime age for Britpop. Not all that much of it made it over to our shores, in my experience, but certainly more than just Oasis. Blur was big; as garbon said, "Bittersweet Symphony" was in constant FM rotation; I remember seeing that Pulp 'This Is Harcore' promo at every record store I went to for a while...
Tim was too busy listening to 2pac.
In the mid 90s, in Vancouver at least, Britpop was somewhat subcultural rather than mainstream. I'd say the various techno/house genres were more popular locally. And, of course, it was the time of the first 80s revivals as well.
i'd never heard of either the song or the band until just now. verdict: sucks
Quote from: LaCroix on April 13, 2014, 04:55:37 PM
i'd never heard of either the song or the band until just now. verdict: sucks
It was on a Nike commercial, but you were probably like 6 years old. /shrug
Err, did you mean Bittersweet Symphony or Common People?
Never heard of Ash or Bluetones before so listened to them on YouTube, and now I know why I've never heard of them.
<_< I'll have you know Ash' "Girl from Mars" was excellent pop music.
I hate you kids and your music. Get off my lawn.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 13, 2014, 07:29:44 PM
I hate you kids and your music. Get off my lawn.
It ain't your lawn grandpa, so fuck off to your old-age home.
Quote from: Jacob on April 13, 2014, 07:30:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 13, 2014, 07:29:44 PM
I hate you kids and your music. Get off my lawn.
It ain't your lawn grandpa, so fuck off to your old-age home.
No,u fuck off. Infinity +1
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 13, 2014, 07:33:53 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 13, 2014, 07:30:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 13, 2014, 07:29:44 PM
I hate you kids and your music. Get off my lawn.
It ain't your lawn grandpa, so fuck off to your old-age home.
No,u fuck off. Infinity +1
:lol:
Your math skills win the day, even with the minus points for being unable to spell "you" :hug:
Ash are fairly well known, I bet most people have heard some of their signs even if they don't know the name.
Bluestones are just a bizzare inclusion, even I've barely heard of them nd this is my favourite type of music.
Quote from: Jacob on April 13, 2014, 07:30:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 13, 2014, 07:29:44 PM
I hate you kids and your music. Get off my lawn.
It ain't your lawn grandpa, so fuck off to your old-age home.
Is it a federal or state lawn?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 13, 2014, 05:11:29 PMIt was on a Nike commercial, but you were probably like 6 years old. /shrug
Err, did you mean Bittersweet Symphony or Common People?
common people. bittersweet symphony is a-ok
As much as I'm a class warrior, I kind of think "Common People" is, lyrically, a supreme cheap shot (Spoiled students? Check. Continental eurotrash? Check. Clueless posers? Check.), as well as a supremely fanciful narrative. Maybe Britain is really like this, I don't know, but a pampered aristocratic lady buying drinks for a working-class hunk in a pub and then asking him to take her around and show her what it's like to be not-rich and probably lay her a few times along the way... strains credibility for me.
And if it's fanciful, it does hark back to some great cultural touchstones ("Lady Chatterly's Lover," Angry Young Men/kitchen-sink dramas), but it's not a fantasy I find all that engaging.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 14, 2014, 09:43:37 AM
As much as I'm a class warrior, I kind of think "Common People" is, lyrically, a supreme cheap shot (Spoiled students? Check. Continental eurotrash? Check. Clueless posers? Check.), as well as a supremely fanciful narrative. Maybe Britain is really like this, I don't know, but a pampered aristocratic lady buying drinks for a working-class hunk in a pub and then asking him to take her around and show her what it's like to be not-rich and probably lay her a few times along the way... strains credibility for me.
I know a lot of working class lads who've shagged way above their station by being the only ones in the pub to chat up the foreign chicks.
Quote from: Brazen on April 14, 2014, 09:48:09 AMI know a lot of working class lads who've shagged way above their station by being the only ones in the pub to chat up the foreign chicks.
Well sure, but did said lads take said foreign birds along to Tesco's to show them what 99p frozen pies look like while making their way back to bed? :P
I've always understood it to be a response to the Britpop glamorisation of working class culture (especially Blur).
I think it's a great song, very well orchestrated.
Quote from: Gups on April 14, 2014, 09:53:57 AM
I've always understood it to be a response to the Britpop glamorisation of working class culture (especially Blur).
Hmm, never thought of it that way. I don't know Britpop well enough, but there was certainly a general media glamorization in the form of "lad culture" (mk. 1), wasn't there?
And on the topic of Britpop bands more generally, any love out there for Denim? Poor Lawrence has had a hard time, but I still think he's kind of a genius. Felt are one of my favorites.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 14, 2014, 09:58:43 AM
Hmm, never thought of it that way. I don't know Britpop well enough, but there was certainly a general media glamorization in the form of "lad culture" (mk. 1), wasn't there?
I don't think it was mk. 1 when it comes to the glamorization of "lad culture". I mean, in many ways working class youths in Britain seem to serve the same cultural function as Black subcultures do in the US - as a font of co-optable creativity and "authenticity". If you look at any of the distinct subcultures coming out of Britain in the last fifty years at least, most of them came from working class youths, most of them had laddish qualities to them, and most of them were glamorized in various ways as they grew in popularity.
I missed this thread previously.
The top 10 list is a good list but the #1 choice is criminal. The Verve & BSS is miles more iconic than Pulp.
Quote from: Gups on April 14, 2014, 09:53:57 AM
I've always understood it to be a response to the Britpop glamorisation of working class culture (especially Blur).
I think it's a great song, very well orchestrated.
Wouldn't the lowbrow Gallaghers be more of the glamorisation kind? Blur consisted mostly of arts students from Essex, if I am not mistaken.
Quote from: Jacob on April 14, 2014, 12:23:27 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 14, 2014, 09:58:43 AM
Hmm, never thought of it that way. I don't know Britpop well enough, but there was certainly a general media glamorization in the form of "lad culture" (mk. 1), wasn't there?
I don't think it was mk. 1 when it comes to the glamorization of "lad culture". I mean, in many ways working class youths in Britain seem to serve the same cultural function as Black subcultures do in the US - as a font of co-optable creativity and "authenticity". If you look at any of the distinct subcultures coming out of Britain in the last fifty years at least, most of them came from working class youths, most of them had laddish qualities to them, and most of them were glamorized in various ways as they grew in popularity.
By mk. 1 I just meant the phrase "lad culture" itself, since my recollection is that it went away for a while and then got picked back up again within the last few years. Otherwise, I agree with your analysis. "Lad culture" seemed to refer to something a little more generalized than the various working-class youth-derived subcultures that have waxed and waned in post-WWII British pop culture, though.
They're all chavs now, so why bother.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 14, 2014, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: Brazen on April 14, 2014, 09:48:09 AMI know a lot of working class lads who've shagged way above their station by being the only ones in the pub to chat up the foreign chicks.
Well sure, but did said lads take said foreign birds along to Tesco's to show them what 99p frozen pies look like while making their way back to bed? :P
They love that sort of thing.
QuoteAs much as I'm a class warrior, I kind of think "Common People" is, lyrically, a supreme cheap shot (Spoiled students? Check. Continental eurotrash? Check. Clueless posers? Check.), as well as a supremely fanciful narrative. Maybe Britain is really like this, I don't know, but a pampered aristocratic lady buying drinks for a working-class hunk in a pub and then asking him to take her around and show her what it's like to be not-rich and probably lay her a few times along the way... strains credibility for me.
And if it's fanciful, it does hark back to some great cultural touchstones ("Lady Chatterly's Lover," Angry Young Men/kitchen-sink dramas), but it's not a fantasy I find all that engaging.
I recall a documentary about the different class album. Jarvis cocker said it was loosely based on a true a story, though he didn't sleep with her. Iirc they even interviewed the actual Greek lady.
The song really speaks to me, the whole thing about it all being a game for upper class posers but for us born into it there is a genuine risk that our lives can just slide out of view.
My last relationship was pretty much "lady of rich family messing with the working class to see how it's like to drink in seedy bars", so there' still something to the cliché.
Quote from: celedhring on April 15, 2014, 02:38:49 AM
My last relationship was pretty much "lady of rich family messing with the working class to see how it's like to drink in seedy bars", so there' still something to the cliché.
A miilion voices cried out in pain and were suddenly silenced :weep:
I want to write a song about being from a highly educated family of modest means so you're stuck between the mannerisms of the well off and the resources of the poor, which seems to earn the contempt of people above, below and around you. I could call it 'Uncommon People' and make millions.
Quote from: Monoriu on April 15, 2014, 03:07:19 AM
Quote from: celedhring on April 15, 2014, 02:38:49 AM
My last relationship was pretty much "lady of rich family messing with the working class to see how it's like to drink in seedy bars", so there' still something to the cliché.
A miilion voices cried out in pain and were suddenly silenced :weep:
Butchering the language is the only violence I allow myself.
Back in my coal-mining days my best mate was at Durham University; during term time I used to go over there for intelligent conversation and women. I can confirm that, at least in the 1970s, southern middle-class women were pretty interested in working-class men, happy days :cool:
I imagine having a coal miner's physique helped a bit, too. :P
Quote from: celedhring on April 15, 2014, 03:54:59 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on April 15, 2014, 03:07:19 AM
Quote from: celedhring on April 15, 2014, 02:38:49 AM
My last relationship was pretty much "lady of rich family messing with the working class to see how it's like to drink in seedy bars", so there' still something to the cliché.
A miilion voices cried out in pain and were suddenly silenced :weep:
Butchering the language is the only violence I allow myself.
I'll be very happy if any languishite marries a rich woman. I'm just a little sad that the opportunity was lost.
Was never meant to happen, after she had fun with the popular classes she's gone back to where she belongs. She's currently dating an executive from a pharma company.
If you want to marry a rich woman, come to London and date a lawyer. This has the added advantage that they'll be so busy that you'll never have to actually spend time with them, allowing ample opportunity to pursue one's own interests, such as drinking with the guys or starting a synth-based electro-pop group.
The down side is, of course, being married to a lawyer.
Quote from: Warspite on April 15, 2014, 08:55:32 AM
If you want to marry a rich woman, come to London and date a lawyer. This has the added advantage that they'll be so busy that you'll never have to actually spend time with them, allowing ample opportunity to pursue one's own interests, such as drinking with the guys or starting a synth-based electro-pop group.
Do you have some news you want to share? :)
Quote from: Warspite on April 15, 2014, 08:55:32 AM
If you want to marry a rich woman, come to London and date a lawyer. This has the added advantage that they'll be so busy that you'll never have to actually spend time with them, allowing ample opportunity to pursue one's own interests, such as drinking with the guys or starting a synth-based electro-pop group.
:hmm:
-dating
-London
+drinking
+synth-based electro-pop
Quote from: PDH on April 15, 2014, 09:45:01 AM
The down side is, of course, being married to a lawyer.
Which is as embarrassing as being a Liverpool fan.
- female lawyers. The most evil of the bunch.
Quote from: Barrister on April 15, 2014, 09:46:40 AM
Quote from: Warspite on April 15, 2014, 08:55:32 AM
If you want to marry a rich woman, come to London and date a lawyer. This has the added advantage that they'll be so busy that you'll never have to actually spend time with them, allowing ample opportunity to pursue one's own interests, such as drinking with the guys or starting a synth-based electro-pop group.
Do you have some news you want to share? :)
I'm dating lawyers in London.
Haa-ooh. Lawyers in London.
Ooh, London lawyers, aren't we fancy. Care for some beluga caviar and goose liver, mr. Warspite? ;)
Quote from: Norgy on April 15, 2014, 10:42:09 AM
Ooh, London lawyers, aren't we fancy. Care for some beluga caviar and goose liver, mr. Warspite? ;)
My Harley Street doctor advises me to lay off the caviar and foie gras due to my gout.
:D ^_^