2016 elections - because it's never too early

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Valmy

Quote from: celedhring on September 21, 2016, 11:52:58 AM
It seems to me a small minority - the primary voters - have an untold influence in the outcome of the US' political process.

Then again everybody can be a primary voter...

Not a big deal at all in states with open primaries.
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derspiess

Quote from: Zanza on September 21, 2016, 11:46:56 AM
Most of the senate races aren't competitive. California has two candidates from the same party.  :wacko: It's bad for legitimacy if voters don't have a meaningful choice.

Ohio was competitive.  Then Strickland Stricklanded.
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Baron von Schtinkenbutt

Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 20, 2016, 09:52:48 PM
I haven't seen any yard signs or bumper stickers that I can remember.  Plenty of stuff up for local office.

Couple people have Bernie signs up.  :D

Yeah, I have seen hardly any Presidential race signs up, and the ones I have seen are just generic TDP straight-ticket signs.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: derspiess on September 21, 2016, 01:16:15 PM
Quote from: Zanza on September 21, 2016, 11:46:56 AM
Most of the senate races aren't competitive. California has two candidates from the same party.  :wacko: It's bad for legitimacy if voters don't have a meaningful choice.

Ohio was competitive.  Then Strickland Stricklanded.

Portman's not too bad for a Republican.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on September 21, 2016, 01:49:52 PM
Yeah, I have seen hardly any Presidential race signs up, and the ones I have seen are just generic TDP straight-ticket signs.

I think we've actually come to that point where people are both 1) embarrassed by their choice, and 2) afraid that advertising their choice could even be dangerous.

derspiess

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 21, 2016, 02:57:04 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 21, 2016, 01:16:15 PM
Quote from: Zanza on September 21, 2016, 11:46:56 AM
Most of the senate races aren't competitive. California has two candidates from the same party.  :wacko: It's bad for legitimacy if voters don't have a meaningful choice.

Ohio was competitive.  Then Strickland Stricklanded.

Portman's not too bad for a Republican.

He's too bland and vanilla to offend anyone.
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jimmy olsen

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New Polls

ARG - Clinton 47, Trump 44, Other 5, Undecided 5,
Reuters - Clinton 37, Trump 39, Johnson 7, Stein 2
Economist - Clinton 40, Trump 38, Johnson 7, Stein 2
NBC/WSJ - Clinton 43, Trump 37, Johnson 9,  Stein 2

Recent polls
NBC - Clinton 45, Trump 40, Johnson 10, Stein 4
Morning Consult - Clinton 46, Trump 42, Undecided 12
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jimmy olsen

Freaking Texans. <_<

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57e174bce4b0071a6e09d833?%3Futm_hp_ref=latino-voices&ir=Latino%2BVoices&section=latino-voices

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A federal judge on Tuesday ordered the state of Texas to take steps to make it perfectly clear to voters that they're not required to possess a voter ID before they cast a ballot in the upcoming election.

U.S. District Judge Nelva Gonzalez Ramos had already given specific instructions to Texas officials to make sure no voter is turned away at the polls for not having an ID ― greatly relaxing the rules of what voters may or may not present in order to assert their identity.

But U.S. Department of Justice and voting rights groups this month complained to Ramos that Texas was flouting the order by making misleading statements in the press or publishing promotional materials that mischaracterized the language in Ramos' order.

"The State is developing printed materials and mass media advertising that improperly narrow the Remedial Order," DOJ attorneys wrote in a court filing. "Voters are receiving inaccurate or misleading information that suggests they will not be able to cast ballots that count in November."

Voting rights advocates separately charged that Texas officials were making statements to local media suggesting that anyone who signed a declaration attesting that they were unable to obtain the required ID ― a remedy Ramos expressly authorized ― would be criminally investigated.

In response to these accusations, Ramos on Tuesday ordered Texas to reissue any press releases about her August order to indicate the precise language about the relaxed rules for voter ID, as well as to edit accordingly the posters to be used at polling stations on Election Day.

Texas also must update any and all websites dedicated to "voting rights and procedures," including VoteTexas.gov, to correctly note that voters who lack an adequate form of photo ID and "cannot obtain one due to a reasonable impediment" may still cast a ballot after signing an affidavit.

Perhaps the most punishing part of Ramos' order was a requirement that Texas submit to lawyers for the federal government and the voting rights plaintiffs "scripts and copy for documents and advertisements that have not yet been published for review and objection prior to publication" ― which would presumably give these parties vetting power over the materials.

Marc Rylander, a spokesman for Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R), didn't make much of Tuesday's order, noting in a statement that its already-printed education materials "gave voters a correct impression" of the softened rules, including the affidavit option for those without proper ID.

Rylander added that Texas would ask the U.S. Supreme Court "this week" to review a July appeals ruling that declared the state's voter ID law violated the federal Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Jennifer Clark, an attorney with the Brennan Center for Justice, which has been involved in the legal challenge to Texas' voter ID law from the start, hailed Tuesday's development, but signaled her organization would keep watching.

"Thankfully, the court has asked officials to correct some of the misstatements and reissue many of the inaccurate materials. But there is still work to do," Clark said in an email. "The secretary of state's office and local election officials have a history of making intimidating statements that could scare legitimate voters away. These can't stand in a democracy."
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: derspiess on September 21, 2016, 04:26:24 PM
He's too bland and vanilla to offend anyone.

Blandness is not a bad quality in a politician.  There is much to be said about competently performing your damn job. 
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jimmy olsen

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Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
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jimmy olsen

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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lustindarkness

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jimmy olsen

:bleeding:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/09/presidential-race-tied-cooper-up-in-nc.html
Quote-By a 30/23 spread, Trump voters in North Carolina say they have a higher opinion of David Duke than they do of Hillary Clinton.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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