India Rapist Burned Alive by Victim

[Viking]

Usually I'm on the opposite side from Meyth. But in this case, I gotta agree she has a point.

Killing someone who has just committed such a crime on you would not be justifiable, if there were other reasonable choices available. From what I've read, in many places in India the authorities will do diddly-squat in cases of rape like this.

In a place where there is a functioning system of cops and courts, yeah, the law should discourage vigilantism to the utmost. Where the situation is at least in part a function of the fact that the authorities can't or won't do shit about it, then it seems reasonable for a court asked to judge *her* actions to use the old Texas-style verdict of 'yep, he's a guy that needed a killing' - perhaps call it 'not guilty by reason of momentary insanity' or some such  . Assuming of course that the story as stated is true.

Compared to Norway has a conviction rate for rape of about 19% while India has a conviction rate of 26%. The US has a similar (arrest) rate of 25%. While there are some apples/oranges issues. The conviction rate in India is reasonable at least compared to Norway.

I don't think the "he won't be punished" argument here holds any water.

[Rasputin]

so that its clear; i would not have been troubled by this in chicago either

[Razgovory]

this is what heat of the moment might look like

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt



I don't care how evil this guy was or how incapable the society was of punishing him vigilantism always makes the situation worse.

Given that this man was a menace to multiple women in the area according to the article, I'd disagree. It appears to have made this situation far better for a whole lot of people. Just not for him.

merithyn; proud apologist for vigilantism.

Only if the victims are women.  I doubt she approves to the idea of lighting this woman on fire due to the a fact she is now a threat to people in the area.

[Martinus]

I don't care how evil this guy was or how incapable the society was of punishing him vigilantism always makes the situation worse.

No, not always.  I'm with Meri on this one.

I agree with Meri and derspiess. Hell just froze over.

[Rasputin]

Usually I'm on the opposite side from Meyth. But in this case, I gotta agree she has a point.

Killing someone who has just committed such a crime on you would not be justifiable, if there were other reasonable choices available. From what I've read, in many places in India the authorities will do diddly-squat in cases of rape like this.

In a place where there is a functioning system of cops and courts, yeah, the law should discourage vigilantism to the utmost. Where the situation is at least in part a function of the fact that the authorities can't or won't do shit about it, then it seems reasonable for a court asked to judge *her* actions to use the old Texas-style verdict of 'yep, he's a guy that needed a killing' - perhaps call it 'not guilty by reason of momentary insanity' or some such  . Assuming of course that the story as stated is true.

Compared to Norway has a conviction rate for rape of about 19% while India has a conviction rate of 26%. The US has a similar (arrest) rate of 25%. While there are some apples/oranges issues. The conviction rate in India is reasonable at least compared to Norway.

I don't think the "he won't be punished" argument here holds any water.

I completely agree; its a patronizing argument that presumes the indians are savages -- those that have made this argument are racists

nonetheless self help is occasionally a good thing and keeps us all from becoming sheep

[Razgovory]

so that its clear; i would not have been troubled by this in chicago either

I thought you were a lawyer.

[Viking]

this is what heat of the moment might look like

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt



I don't care how evil this guy was or how incapable the society was of punishing him vigilantism always makes the situation worse.

Given that this man was a menace to multiple women in the area according to the article, I'd disagree. It appears to have made this situation far better for a whole lot of people. Just not for him.

merithyn; proud apologist for vigilantism.

Only if the victims are women.  I doubt she approves to the idea of lighting this woman on fire due to the a fact she is now a threat to people in the area.

I doubt she approves of her own neighbors lighting meri on fire since meri is in fact a threat to the people in her area.

[Rasputin]

so that its clear; i would not have been troubled by this in chicago either

I thought you were a lawyer.

I'm a fantastic one if you believe the rating agencies

[Martinus]

so that its clear; i would not have been troubled by this in chicago either

I thought you were a lawyer.

I'm a fantastic one if you believe the rating agencies

I wouldn't.

[merithyn]

Compared to Norway has a conviction rate for rape of about 19% while India has a conviction rate of 26%. The US has a similar (arrest) rate of 25%. While there are some apples/oranges issues. The conviction rate in India is reasonable at least compared to Norway.

I don't think the "he won't be punished" argument here holds any water.

http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,9036.0.html

[Martinus]

thats just professional jealousy going back to my harassing you for your making stupid argumernts for ten years now.

[frunk]

Compared to Norway has a conviction rate for rape of about 19% while India has a conviction rate of 26%. The US has a similar (arrest) rate of 25%. While there are some apples/oranges issues. The conviction rate in India is reasonable at least compared to Norway.

I don't think the "he won't be punished" argument here holds any water.

That doesn't take into account how infrequently rape is even reported in India because of the shame it brings to the family.  It's miniscule compared to western countries.  Conviction rate isn't a good approximation for how just the system is.

[Viking]

Compared to Norway has a conviction rate for rape of about 19% while India has a conviction rate of 26%. The US has a similar (arrest) rate of 25%. While there are some apples/oranges issues. The conviction rate in India is reasonable at least compared to Norway.

I don't think the "he won't be punished" argument here holds any water.

http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,9036.0.html

Horrible rape happens in india, society confronts the attitudes that permit similar events from happening, politicians strengthen anti-rape legislation and tourists lose their shit and jump out of hotel windows fearing rape. How does this support your assertion? If anything with society taking the issue especially seriously right now that weakens your argument.

[Admiral Yi]

That doesn't take into account how infrequently rape is even reported in India because of the shame it brings to the family.  It's miniscule compared to western countries.  Conviction rate isn't a good approximation for how just the system is.

Not reporting a rape based on family shame is not a failure of the system, it's a failure of the family.  So the victim in the story should have reported the crime to the police then set fire to her family when they tried to shame her about it.

[merithyn]

Horrible rape happens in india, society confronts the attitudes that permit similar events from happening, politicians strengthen anti-rape legislation and tourists lose their shit and jump out of hotel windows fearing rape. How does this support your assertion? If anything with society taking the issue especially seriously right now that weakens your argument.

Maybe you should re-read that thread....