India Rapist Burned Alive by Victim

[Admiral Yi]

I'm inclined to agree with Puff.  If the state punished the perp by setting him on fire we would condemn that.  Shouldn't be any different for the victim.

[merithyn]

I'm inclined to agree with Puff.  If the state punished the perp by setting him on fire we would condemn that.  Shouldn't be any different for the victim.

Given that the state is doing next to nothing to protect women in that country, I think it's perfectly reasonable for women to do whatever they feel is necessary to protect themselves. They feel completely at the will of men, and if it takes a few immolations to make the men take a step back, well... so be it.

[Eddie Teach]

I'm inclined to agree with Puff.  If the state punished the perp by setting him on fire we would condemn that.  Shouldn't be any different for the victim.

Sure it's different, the state is a rational actor that hasn't just been raped.

I wouldn't condone her actions, but the rape is pretty strong mitigation.

[Admiral Yi]

Given that the state is doing next to nothing to protect women in that country, I think it's perfectly reasonable for women to do whatever they feel is necessary to protect themselves. They feel completely at the will of men, and if it takes a few immolations to make the men take a step back, well... so be it.

If she had gouged out his eyes, tied him up and kept him alive for a week while torturing him that could have some deterrent value too.  Would you condone that as well?

[merithyn]

Given that the state is doing next to nothing to protect women in that country, I think it's perfectly reasonable for women to do whatever they feel is necessary to protect themselves. They feel completely at the will of men, and if it takes a few immolations to make the men take a step back, well... so be it.

If she had gouged out his eyes, tied him up and kept him alive for a week while torturing him that could have some deterrent value too.  Would you condone that as well?

Nope. That's not a "heat of the moment" kind of thing. What she did, however, was.

[merithyn]

I'm inclined to agree with Puff.  If the state punished the perp by setting him on fire we would condemn that.  Shouldn't be any different for the victim.

Sure it's different, the state is a rational actor that hasn't just been raped.

I wouldn't condone her actions, but the rape is pretty strong mitigation.

Add to that the fact that the result of her reporting him would be shame for her, probably nothing for him, and the risk that it would happen again. What incentive is there for her to allow him to live?

[Viking]

I'm inclined to agree with Puff.  If the state punished the perp by setting him on fire we would condemn that.  Shouldn't be any different for the victim.

Sure it's different, the state is a rational actor that hasn't just been raped.

I wouldn't condone her actions, but the rape is pretty strong mitigation.

I can agree with that. The fact that she had just been raped should be considered a mitigating factor when sentencing.


On a more serious note, Norway is dealing with a similar issue today. An epidemic of India style assault rapes which are going unpunished due to low motivation from the police to investigate related to the inability to punish due to prison overcrowding as well as a perception by the "immigrant community" that prison isn't harsh combined with an inability to expel violent offenders due to political/diplomatic reasons. Vigilantism isn't the response. <insert Slargos style rant>.

[Admiral Yi]

Nope. That's not a "heat of the moment" kind of thing. What she did, however, was.

Considering deterrent value is not a heat of the moment thing either.

[merithyn]

Nope. That's not a "heat of the moment" kind of thing. What she did, however, was.

Considering deterrent value is not a heat of the moment thing either.

She wants him to never rape her again. The only way that's going to happen in India is for him to die. So, she makes that happen.

That doesn't require rational thought. That requires intimate knowledge of the culture you live in, and a strong desire for self-preservation.

[Viking]

Given that the state is doing next to nothing to protect women in that country, I think it's perfectly reasonable for women to do whatever they feel is necessary to protect themselves. They feel completely at the will of men, and if it takes a few immolations to make the men take a step back, well... so be it.

If she had gouged out his eyes, tied him up and kept him alive for a week while torturing him that could have some deterrent value too.  Would you condone that as well?

Nope. That's not a "heat of the moment" kind of thing. What she did, however, was.

going to find a can of kerosene dousing the man and lighting it is "heat of the moment"?

[merithyn]

going to find a can of kerosene dousing the man and lighting it is "heat of the moment"?

She wants him to never rape her again. The only way that's going to happen in India is for him to die. So, she makes that happen.

That doesn't require rational thought. That requires intimate knowledge of the culture you live in, and a strong desire for self-preservation.

[Viking]

going to find a can of kerosene dousing the man and lighting it is "heat of the moment"?

She wants him to never rape her again. The only way that's going to happen in India is for him to die. So, she makes that happen.

That doesn't require rational thought. That requires intimate knowledge of the culture you live in, and a strong desire for self-preservation.

this is what heat of the moment might look like

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt



I don't care how evil this guy was or how incapable the society was of punishing him vigilantism always makes the situation worse.

[merithyn]

this is what heat of the moment might look like

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt



I don't care how evil this guy was or how incapable the society was of punishing him vigilantism always makes the situation worse.

Given that this man was a menace to multiple women in the area according to the article, I'd disagree. It appears to have made this situation far better for a whole lot of people. Just not for him.

[derspiess]

I don't care how evil this guy was or how incapable the society was of punishing him vigilantism always makes the situation worse.

No, not always.  I'm with Meri on this one.

[Viking]

this is what heat of the moment might look like

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt



I don't care how evil this guy was or how incapable the society was of punishing him vigilantism always makes the situation worse.

Given that this man was a menace to multiple women in the area according to the article, I'd disagree. It appears to have made this situation far better for a whole lot of people. Just not for him.

merithyn; proud apologist for vigilantism.