50-Point Swing Against Targeted Drone Killings of U.S. Citizens

[Maximus]

Speesh is a tribal Republican IMO (the only one Languish) as Raz is a tribal Democrat (one of several).

The difference is that Raz gets emotionally invested (i.e. turns into a dickhead) on partisan issues in a way that Speesh does not.

This seems accurate

[dps]

On this issue?  Yeah.  Since nobody has shown any interest in actually doing it.

That's simply not true. It's not so much that people are publicly expressing interest; it's that it already has occurred. Now you may or may not think it's justified - or was in that case but wouldn't be in others, etc - but that's a different matter.

Wait, wait, wait, wait!  Drone strikes have been used to kill American citizens inside the US?  I've missed that some how.  When, where, why and who?

[derspiess]

How?  I'm not nearly as partisan as you are.

    From my moderate centrist POV, it looks like you may be lacking in self-awareness.

Stop stalking me.

[CountDeMoney]

The difference is that Raz gets emotionally invested (i.e. turns into a dickhead) on partisan issues in a way that Speesh does not.

Unless the drone starts thinking about non-traditional drone roles, like being a doctor.

[Eddie Teach]

Did you ever work in a theater, cause you seem to be projecting a lot.

[Razgovory]

Speesh is a tribal Republican IMO (the only one Languish) as Raz is a tribal Democrat (one of several).

The difference is that Raz gets emotionally invested (i.e. turns into a dickhead) on partisan issues in a way that Speesh does not.

And yourself?  You've been pretty dickish this last week, and not just at me.

[Razgovory]

How?  I'm not nearly as partisan as you are.

Channeling Strix?  Poor show.

Grumbler.

[Razgovory]

On this issue?  Yeah.  Since nobody has shown any interest in actually doing it.

That's simply not true. It's not so much that people are publicly expressing interest; it's that it already has occurred. Now you may or may not think it's justified - or was in that case but wouldn't be in others, etc - but that's a different matter.

Wait, wait, wait, wait!  Drone strikes have been used to kill American citizens inside the US?  I've missed that some how.  When, where, why and who?

Yeah, I'm really interested in how Fahdiz is going to respond here.  I'd like to know about these incidents as well.

[fhdz]

Wait, wait, wait, wait!  Drone strikes have been used to kill American citizens inside the US?  I've missed that some how.  When, where, why and who?

No, outside the US, without due process of law.

What is the material difference between the assassination of a US citizen outside the US without due process and the assassination of a US citizen inside the US without due process? This is an honest question, not a leading question.

[Ed Anger]

Drones give me a murder boner.

[ulmont]

No, outside the US, without due process of law.

Define "due process of law."  The administration's position, as I understand it, is that "due process of law" is context-sensitive.  Intuitively, I think we all agree that the "due process" necessary before killing a person found armed on a battlefield and attacking United States personnel is relatively low.

Similarly, although Osama Bin Laden was never present in the United States before a jury of his peers, I think most of us would agree he received all "due process" before being killed by Seals.

The stickier questions, of course, arise when there appears to be more time for sober consideration, and the application of more process.

[Razgovory]

Wait, wait, wait, wait!  Drone strikes have been used to kill American citizens inside the US?  I've missed that some how.  When, where, why and who?

No, outside the US, without due process of law.

What is the material difference between the assassination of a US citizen outside the US without due process and the assassination of a US citizen inside the US without due process? This is an honest question, not a leading question.

Jurisdiction.  For one thing I don't think the CIA even has the power to do things on US soil.  Second, in the US you can just arrest a person and charge him with a crime. Not so easy in Pakistan or Yemen hence using military weapons to kill a target.

[Habbaku]

Similarly, although Osama Bin Laden was never present in the United States before a jury of his peers, I think most of us would agree he received all "due process" before being killed by Seals.

Bin Laden was a US citizen?

[ulmont]

Similarly, although Osama Bin Laden was never present in the United States before a jury of his peers, I think most of us would agree he received all "due process" before being killed by Seals.

Bin Laden was a US citizen?

Didn't we already go over this bit?  The 5th amendment says "persons," and applies to aliens as well as US citizens.

[fhdz]

Define "due process of law."  The administration's position, as I understand it, is that "due process of law" is context-sensitive.  Intuitively, I think we all agree that the "due process" necessary before killing a person found armed on a battlefield and attacking United States personnel is relatively low.

It's probably hair-splitting by this point (or not) but the two US citizens killed by drone strike were not found armed on a battlefield attacking United States personnel but were driving a truck at the time they were killed.