Cardinal: Married Catholic priests a possibility

[sbr]

So basically, Raz jumped the shark before we were 10 posts in. Got it. Now I remember why I don't respond to him.

Oh, are you going to go full Grumbler now?

That might be the only counter to full blown Raztard.

[Razgovory]

How is he wrong? 

How is he right?  It's an absurd statement that there is no religious reason for why the Catholic church has celibate priests.  You might not accept these reasons as good enough, but to say they don't exist is silly.

It's not me that doesn't think there is any religious reason against having married priests, it's the Church. How can the same church say group A can't have married priests, it is absolutely forbidden because of pressing religious reasons ... but group B, why they can have married priests no problemo? It's the same religion in both cases, right?

Again, not having married priests, but priests getting married.

[fhdz]

I was pointing out your reality is materialistic.  Moving closer to your reality seems pointless for the church.

I am still not sure what this has to do with married priests.

[Razgovory]

So basically, Raz jumped the shark before we were 10 posts in. Got it. Now I remember why I don't respond to him.

Oh, are you going to go full Grumbler now?

That might be the only counter to full blown Raztard.

The cure is fare worse then the disease.  My point still stand, why should the church take the advice of people who have no interest in joining it?

[fhdz]

Again, not having married priests, but priests getting married.

Who is talking about priests getting married? Besides you, I mean.

EDIT: My bad, it appears the Cardinal suggested it.

Still, it seems you could solve the staffing problem in the Catholic Church by doing what the Easterns already do - permitting married men to be ordained to the priesthood.

[Razgovory]

I was pointing out your reality is materialistic.  Moving closer to your reality seems pointless for the church.

I am still not sure what this has to do with married priests.

You said move closer to reality, but this is reality as you perceive it.  In the reality as you perceptive it the whole thing is a waste of time since there is no God.  Moving closer to your version of reality who ultimately result in the end of the church.  So why should they take into consideration your reality.

[Malthus]

Again, not having married priests, but priests getting married.

Seems a trivial distinction. All imposing a prohibiton on priests getting married does is force those interested in the priesthood to put off ordination until they are married. Seems to me that once you accept priests *being* married, it would make sense to accept priests *getting* married. I mean really, why not?

[fhdz]

You said move closer to reality, but this is reality as you perceive it.  In the reality as you perceptive it the whole thing is a waste of time since there is no God.  Moving closer to your version of reality who ultimately result in the end of the church.  So why should they take into consideration your reality.

The reality is a priest shortage. I thought that's what we were all talking about.

[Razgovory]

Again, not having married priests, but priests getting married.

Who is talking about priests getting married? Besides you, I mean.

EDIT: My bad, it appears the Cardinal suggested it.

Still, it seems you could solve the staffing problem in the Catholic Church by doing what the Easterns already do - permitting married men to be ordained to the priesthood.

Would it?
http://old.post-gazette.com/regionstate/19990729orthodox6.asp

It would seem that the the Eastern Orthodox church has priest problems as well.

[Razgovory]

Again, not having married priests, but priests getting married.

Seems a trivial distinction. All imposing a prohibiton on priests getting married does is force those interested in the priesthood to put off ordination until they are married. Seems to me that once you accept priests *being* married, it would make sense to accept priests *getting* married. I mean really, why not?

I don't know, the actions of becoming something and the state of being are rather distinct.  One is active and one is passive.

[fhdz]

Would it?
http://old.post-gazette.com/regionstate/19990729orthodox6.asp

It would seem that the the Eastern Orthodox church has priest problems as well.

I bet you'd see an influx of new Roman priests if the restrictions were lifted. The Easterns don't have those restrictions, so their reasons for shortage can't possibly include that one.

[Razgovory]

Would it?
http://old.post-gazette.com/regionstate/19990729orthodox6.asp

It would seem that the the Eastern Orthodox church has priest problems as well.

I bet you'd see an influx of new Roman priests if the restrictions were lifted. The Easterns don't have those restrictions, so their reasons for shortage can't possibly include that one.

Or perhaps the reason for shortages in both are caused by some other problem that doesn't involve marriage.  That would seem to be a more logical answer.

[fhdz]

Or perhaps the reason for shortages in both are caused by some other problem that doesn't involve marriage.  That would seem to be a more logical answer.

Oh, okay - what's the problem then?

[Eddie Teach]

The more logical answer would be that there are a variety of different reasons and they shouldn't be discounted completely because they don't explain the shortage entirely.

[Razgovory]

Or perhaps the reason for shortages in both are caused by some other problem that doesn't involve marriage.  That would seem to be a more logical answer.

Oh, okay - what's the problem then?

Don't know, but if two similar organizations are having the same problem then the a policy enacted by one but not the other doesn't seem like it's the cause.

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