"Marriage Equality Is a Conservative Cause"

[MadImmortalMan]

I don't think the party ever regarded Bush as a conservative within the framework of the party's ideological spectrum.

[Razgovory]

I don't think the party ever regarded Bush as a conservative within the framework of the party's ideological spectrum.

I bet I can look at videos GOP conventions were they say he is in fact a conservative.

[Admiral Yi]

And this will be different for Rubio how?

For one we're talking about a primary dynamic, in which being labeled a far right conservative by the New York Times is not necessarily a handicap.

[MadImmortalMan]

I don't think the party ever regarded Bush as a conservative within the framework of the party's ideological spectrum.

I bet I can look at videos GOP conventions were they say he is in fact a conservative.

Of course they said that. He had to win a GOP primary. 

[mongers]

Bush II was part of the short-lived "compassionate conservative" movement, which was anchored around concepts like lots of Republican-flavored handouts to old people and the poor along with being nice to Mexicans and such. It lacked any real direction on foreign policy, so when foreign policy became the issue of the first term of the Bush Presidency the neo-cons ensconced in DoD positions and other parts of his administration teamed up with the corporatists like Cheney and ran away with the football.

That's an interesting way of putting it.

[Josquius]

I read an article the other day from the Washington Post about how Bush was actually one of the best humanitarian presidents the US ever had due to an anti-aids bill and various whatnot.

[dps]

What's weird to me is that many conservative Christians I've spoken with actually believe in evolution (though inevitably they say God guided it) and global warming.  So I'm not sure why GOP politicians trying to shore up the hardcore fundamentalist base are REQUIRED to pretend that they don't believe in either one of them.

Global warming isn't a religious issue, or even a social issue--it's an economic issue.

[fhdz]

Global warming isn't a religious issue, or even a social issue--it's an economic issue.

It has an economic piece to it, certainly, but really it's an ecological issue.

[dps]

Global warming isn't a religious issue, or even a social issue--it's an economic issue.

It has an economic piece to it, certainly, but really it's an ecological issue.

So are you suggesting that people who are Christians are less likely to be in favor of protecting the environment, or more likely, or are you getting at something else entirely?

[derspiess]

Bush II was part of the short-lived "compassionate conservative" movement, which was anchored around concepts like lots of Republican-flavored handouts to old people and the poor along with being nice to Mexicans and such. It lacked any real direction on foreign policy, so when foreign policy became the issue of the first term of the Bush Presidency the neo-cons ensconced in DoD positions and other parts of his administration teamed up with the corporatists like Cheney and ran away with the football.

That's an interesting way of putting it.

I think it was pretty much on the mark.

[Neil]

I can sort of see that.  Conservatism is the politics of assimilation, so it makes sense that they would want to turn disgusting, freakish, worthless fags into more stable, proper, decent people.  Creating a kind of normalcy for their relationships might help.

[Razgovory]

And this will be different for Rubio how?

For one we're talking about a primary dynamic, in which being labeled a far right conservative by the New York Times is not necessarily a handicap.

Oh those evil New Yorkers!  I seem to recall Bush running for a primary as well.

[Razgovory]

I don't think the party ever regarded Bush as a conservative within the framework of the party's ideological spectrum.

I bet I can look at videos GOP conventions were they say he is in fact a conservative.

Of course they said that. He had to win a GOP primary. 

There must be something really obvious that I'm missing here.  Why don't you spell it out for me.

[fhdz]

So are you suggesting that people who are Christians are less likely to be in favor of protecting the environment, or more likely, or are you getting at something else entirely?

I'd say self-identifying evangelical Christians are less likely to be in favor of protecting the environment than other groups. I freely acknowledge that assertion is based on anecdotal evidence rather than rigorous statistical evidence.

But that wasn't really my point - my point was that climate change isn't so much an economic issue as it is an ecological issue - it has economic impact, but that isn't really the same thing.

[MadImmortalMan]

I don't think the party ever regarded Bush as a conservative within the framework of the party's ideological spectrum.

I bet I can look at videos GOP conventions were they say he is in fact a conservative.

Of course they said that. He had to win a GOP primary. 

There must be something really obvious that I'm missing here.  Why don't you spell it out for me.

Even if you're not a conservative, you have to say you are if you're going to be elected as a republican.